Congratulations to Adam on his new job. Though I have many (serious) reservations about Quilliam, I hope he is able to guide the organization in a positive direction going forward. I have known Adam for many years. We were both associated with the Muslim Debate Initiative (now sadly a shadow of its former self) as speakers and debaters. He has oodles of talent as a communicator and writer.
Read Quilliam’s press release here
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I agree with you Paul. Whilst I have MANY problems with Quilliam, I think Adam could potentially bring it a long way in the right direction. Furthermore, as (to my knowledge) a devoted Muslim, chances are some of the Islamophobe idiots who like Quilliam might start to feel cheated by the presence of Adam, and show dissent.
That said I still feel Adam is (honestly) mistaken. I agree with most of the things he says above but the logical conclusion is not to join Quilliam! Quilliam works side by side with extremists like douglas murray, aayan hirsi ali, sam harris etc, the latter of whom is actually a generous donor to quilliam!
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Adam Deen is now officially irrelevant.
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Lenna: on the contrary Deen now has a significant platform to continue his work and to a much wider audience. He has some very high profile events lined up I’m told.
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A wider audience of anti-Muslim bigots. Quilliam is despised by Muslims, almost universally, on both sides of the pond. You can’t reform Muslims if you have no credibility among Muslims. It’s just a bunch of pretentious bigots contragulating and applauding one another.
I’m glad Deen joined them. He has shifted and I wondered why. There was speculation he was going to sell out and do something like this. Someone even asked when he was going to join QF, months ago, and there prediction was spot on.
He is irrelevant as far as Muslims. No one will listen to him. In fact, if he supports something now, it seem likely mainstream Muslims will be LESS likely to follow suit. This is the end as far as his credibility with Muslims. But the good news is he has lots of new Muslim-hating “friends,” including lost of bitter “ex-Muslims” and militant atheists. Oh, and of course, “muscular liberals” over at Harry’s Place and the rest of the Muslim-hating neocons. Among Muslims, apart from those of is own ilk (like Maajid), he’s finished.
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‘He is irrelevant as far as Muslims. No one will listen to him.’
This is absolutely false. I listen to him. If you read his twitter feed you’ll see he has support from many Muslims.
Let’s wait and see what he does in QF. Maybe some interesting things will happen.
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Oh fuck you adam…hope you and masjid can bring the essence of atheism into islam.
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If moderates were just as willing to join ISIS to reform it from within.
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We are all in it for the money
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“We”? I’m not. Do you think I get paid for running this blog and putting up with disgusting comments like the one from Hyde? If only I did!
For your information, Adam has taken a substantial cut in pay to take this job.
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Congratulations
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Brother Paul,I think your close friendship with Adam Deen is blinding you to the monumental mistake he has made by joining this toxic organisation. In Britain there are 2 things that unite muslims politically,opposing Israel and utter disgust at the Qulliam foundations stance on all things,especially since they contradict the very person they have named themselves after. BTW I am noticing that sister myriam francois cerrah recent tweets regarding Quilliam and they are quite critical,which makes Adams crossover to the dark side even more baffling. I want to believe he is some kind of double agent looking to expose this useless foundation.
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Don’t get me wrong: I absolutely do NOT support Quillium. I have made my concerns clear to Adam in conversations with him over the last several months. He shares some of them.
But I know Adam well enough to know he is no fool. He will not be toeing the party line and is free to disagree with them.
My view is let’s wait and see how he does. There are a lot of Muslims wishing him ill. But I wish him well and hope he can make a positive contribution to QF .
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Why do so called “Moderate Muslims” despise the Qullium foundation? As far as I know the foundation is setup to prevent “moderate Muslims” from turning into “radical Muslims”.
Seems strange that such a organization would be despised by “moderate” Muslims
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That’s like asking why Field Negros resent House Negros. People don’t like it when others toss them under the bus for their own personal fame and fortune.
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For those of us who are not Americans can you explain what ‘Field Negros’ and ‘House Negros’ are, and what on earth this has to do with Adam Deen?
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How does Quillium foundation throw house or field negro’s under the bus? Can you explain please.
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That’s complex for a comment. I’ve been thinking of writing a blog post on that very topic. If I do, I’ll share the link.
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i might post in on my blog too
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All you need to know about house and slave negroes
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Paul Williams wrote…
For those of us who are not Americans can you explain what ‘Field Negros’ and ‘House Negros’ are, and what on earth this has to do with Adam Deen?
My response: That’s exactly I would like to know what does that have to do with Adam Deen and more importantly what does it have to do with why “moderate” Muslims loath the Qulliam foundation?
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I’m sure this has been oft repeated by others before, but I find the terms ‘moderate’ and ‘fundamentalist’ to describe respectively ‘the right sort’ and ‘the wrong sort’ of Muslim misleading. In its literal meaning, a ‘fundamentalist’ is simply one who sincerely aspires to follow the tenants of Islam to the latter, and the idea that the only type of Muslim, that is not raping and beheading his way through Syria right now, is one who has his faith ‘moderated’, is a simply absurd conjecture.
I’m rather sceptical that anyone could make an organisation as ideologically entrenched as Quilliam diversify its views, but if any one could do it, my money would be on Adam. Dialogue and restraint is effective, whereas as the early hadith scholar Sulayman ibn Tarkhan pointed out, ‘no man will accept your view if you have angered him.’…
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excellent points Umar!
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Umar Ahmad wrote…
“I’m sure this has been oft repeated by others before, but I find the terms ‘moderate’ and ‘fundamentalist’ to describe respectively ‘the right sort’ and ‘the wrong sort’ of Muslim misleading. ”
My response: I don’t find any Muslim to be right as a matter of fact however you label yourself as a Muslim rest assured you are just as wrong as the other Muslims who are not in your label.
Also if you noticed I put “moderate” in quotations. I do not believe there is such a thing as a “moderate Muslim” just the “don’t worry we will oppress and kill you later Muslims” and the “We are killing and oppressing you NOW Muslims”.
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Robert Wells
You said;
Umar Ahmad wrote…
“I’m sure this has been oft repeated by others before, but I find the terms ‘moderate’ and ‘fundamentalist’ to describe respectively ‘the right sort’ and ‘the wrong sort’ of Muslim misleading. ”
My response: I don’t find any Muslim to be right as a matter of fact however you label yourself as a Muslim rest assured you are just as wrong as the other Muslims who are not in your label.
Also if you noticed I put “moderate” in quotations. I do not believe there is such a thing as a “moderate Muslim” just the “don’t worry we will oppress and kill you later Muslims” and the “We are killing and oppressing you NOW Muslims
I say;
Christians are the master oppressors by oppressing and persecuting Muslims and Jews at the Holy Land and Spain and exterminated Muslims and Jews in Spain and will not allow any religion in Europe and any where they have upper hand and after exterminating the Jews and Muslims the Christians turn to themselves i.e. Catholics and Protestants started to exterminate themselves but was stopped by force by the liberals, agnostic and atheists of the West because they have to prevent the fundamentalist Christians other wise they will exterminate any one.
The Christians migrated to the Americans and force the native Indians out of their lands and kill and persecute them and brought slaves from Africa and force convert them and will not allow them into white supremacists Churches but the black will build their own black Churches and will be burned by the KKK like Robert Wells who hates Muslims, blacks, the Palestinians and Palestinians Jews and Christians except his white supremacists alone and he does not write good English.
Now, the Christians have turned into Zionist and the poor Palestinians are persecuted and oppressed by the contribution of the Christians fundamentalist Zionist because they have to oppress and persecute someone all time at all cost including their Christian brothers.
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Robert Wells
The Christians persecuted their fellow Trinitarian Christians the Mormons and killed their (Mormons) prophet Mr. Joseph Smith and some Mormons migrated to Mexico to escape the Christian persecutions until once again the liberal west, agnostics and atheist fought the Christian fundamentalists and brought back the freedom of religion into full force and still there is the shooting of blacks in their Churches recently because of the hatred of others being taught to Robert Wells by his hateful parents to always hate others who do not share his views and who differs in colour from him.
It is because of law and order now prevailing in the west, that is why the Christian terrorism was suppressed but we still see some Church shootings, Cinema shootings, Mosques burning and vandalism, protest against Mosque building, banning Mosques minarets, banning Muslim women veils etc.
When Saddam Hussein was in Iraq, he is a Muslims and his vice president Tariq Aziz was an Iraqi practicing Christian and all Christians and Jews in the Muslim majority lands were protected except some isolated misunderstandings which is always settled amicably by authorities and all the Jews and Christians are treated as brothers, sisters and wives by Muslims and the example is when recently Egypt responded to isis by attacking it because it killed the Egyptian Christian citizens.
Saddam Hussein has contributed money for his Christian brothers to build some Churches in Iraq and the United states.
These Jews and Christians do not fear Muslims and Islam that is why they lived in their lands of Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Yemen etc. until Bus and Blair war and until Israel paid for some of the Jews to migrate to Israel. Last week Tony Blair admitted his war was the reason for isis. isis are doing what they are doing because of the vacuum created by the Christians evangelicals inspired war to spread Christianity and they ended up hurting the Arab Christians in the region.
A Muslim newscaster was caught crying on camera for his Christian brothers and sisters being maltreated by isis and said he had never seen or heard anything like this. All because of the evangelical Christians inspired Bush and Blair war to spread Christianity. The poll to go to war on Iraq on CNN and Fox news was high in the US than the anti war demonstrators. Now, the peace agreement with Iran by the Obama administration to bring peace in the world and to avoid war is not supported by the evangelical Christians who want war and confrontation with Iran with the same lies like Iraq, that Iran will build nuclear. The Israelis started saying Iran will build nuclear bomb 30 years ago and still Iran does not have nuclear bomb.
The evangelical Christians and Zionist want to prevent Iran from its right to peaceful nuclear for electricity, sciences, medicine etc. like Canada, Japan, US and all nations that has got the right from the United Nations. Iran will not accept that. That is what the republicans with the force of Netanyahu wants and without that wars with US children to die as usual and the middle east will become more destabilise and more isis formed.
There is Palestinian Christian Churches in the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza and Israel through the contribution of Christian evangelicals from the US bulldoze and bomb them. Sad by Christians who persecuted Muslims and Jews and persecuted themselves-Catholics, Protestants, Mormons and others and are still doing it to poor Palestinians who are Muslims, Jews and Christians. Yes, a Jewish Palestinian was persecuted by Zionists, and a Palestinian Christian and Muslim are also persecuted by Zionist but a prominent Jewish Zionist has resigned in the British Parliament and now is active supporter of Palestinian freedom and there is hope.
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Intellect, do you always have to write long boring screed, why can’t you be concise? who has a time to read your long screed, No offence.
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Mr Nerd, I have the time to read it. I suggest you acquire the ability to sit still for 5 minutes and read it.
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Thanks Paul Williams. Johny has indeed read my article and he cannot stand the truth in it, hence the attack. This is not any long article. Sam Shamoun’s article are considered long. Mine are always straight to the point with dictionary definitions to see the clear truth’s.
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Umar wrote…
” and the idea that the only type of Muslim, that is not raping and beheading his way through Syria right now, is one who has his faith ‘moderated’, is a simply absurd conjecture. ”
Question: Are those Muslims that are raping and beheading their way through Syria, are they Muslims? Are they considered “The best of creatures?” Tell me are they better then the best of Christians?
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ISIS are not Muslims in my view. They are barbarians.
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Intellect, You make lots of assumptions. I didn’t read it. what part of no offence you didn’t understand no or offence? It was just a sincere suggestion, My bad. keep writing screed no one would read it apart from some muslims. give us the definition of intellect since you don’t understand the meaning of no offence.
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Johnny the Nerd wrote…
Intellect, do you always have to write long boring screed, why can’t you be concise? who has a time to read your long screed, No offence.
My response: I don’t lol
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Bobbly only people with very short attention spans might have a problem
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Umar wrote…
“’m rather sceptical that anyone could make an organisation as ideologically entrenched as Quilliam diversify its views, ”
My response: What exactly is the ideology of Quilliam?
Intellect wrote…”The Christians persecuted their fellow Trinitarian Christians the Mormons and killed their (Mormons) prophet Mr. Joseph Smith”
My response: You’re an IDIOT. LOL
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Says Bobby the troll…
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Robert Wells
You said;
Intellect wrote…”The Christians persecuted their fellow Trinitarian Christians the Mormons and killed their (Mormons) prophet Mr. Joseph Smith”
My response: You’re an IDIOT. LOL
I say;
You are an ignorant bastard, idiot and fool if you do not know the Mormons believe Jesus died for their sins and Jesus is their personal saviour.
Some Christians say Catholics are not Christians hence the persecution of Catholics and Catholics also say others are not Christians and they persecuted them and all including Mormons believe Jesus died for their sins and is their personal saviour and they are all Christians.
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
Intellect, You make lots of assumptions. I didn’t read it. what part of no offence you didn’t understand no or offence? It was just a sincere suggestion, My bad. keep writing screed no one would read it apart from some muslims. give us the definition of intellect since you don’t understand the meaning of no offence
I say;
Sincere Christians are indeed reading my commends and are responding and we all learn from each other. My comments are not any longer except it contain facts like dictionary definitions, videos, history, analysis, explanations, passages from scriptures etc.
Without that, our discussions will not be clear for example if I want to be clear, I quote a bunch of passages fro the Bible that said clearly Yahweh(God) is One, Only and Alone and that would settle any doubt that God of the Bible is One and Only and Alone without any Son and no force love or relationship with anyone because God is self sufficient.
My intellect tells me that you cannot I am writing screed no one would read and call that no offence because Christians including Robert Wells do read them and reply or respond to them and we go back and forth, until I teach him a lesson that every religion has good and bad ones but Christianity as a whole has persecuted Muslims and Jews and themselves(Christians) and are still doing so today.
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Bastard? wow, such a vulgar word, you must be very angry. I heard muslims are polite, that turns out to be B.S.
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Intellect Just because I didn’t read I am not sincere those who read it are sincere. what a logic? You really an intellect
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
Bastard? wow, such a vulgar word, you must be very angry. I heard muslims are polite, that turns out to be B.S.
I say;
Who tells you Muslims are polite? Christians are not polite as well, Hindus and all human beings are not polite if someone is not polite to them.
I was called idiot by a Christian and idiot is the same as bastard and I responded because I cannot turn the other cheek as a bad command in the Bible the let this Christian finish me up, but to defend myself and respond to him until he stops using such words on me.
As a Christian you did not follow and obeyed the command of Jesus to turn the other cheek but you used the word Bull Shit knowing very well that the turn the other cheek in the Bible is Bull Shit either and not from God to turn the other cheek and let your enemy finish you up.
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Ok thanks for letting me know that muslims aren’t polite. Fyi, saying B.S doesn’t consider to be vulgar but spelling it like you did consider to be Vulgar, not so intellect?
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Robert,
Quilliam and particularly its chairman, Maajid Nawaaz are on the very liberal extreme of Islamic thought, yet rather paradoxically have strong links with the neoconservative right. I think the following summarises the popular sentiment among British Muslims towards Quilliam:
http://asharisassemble.com/2015/02/15/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-anti-extremist-quilliam-foundation/
I think it should be fairly obvious to you that no one commenting on this blog supports ISIS’s violence, though I personally can’t answer if I think they are Muslim or not. All that is certain is that their actions are contrary to Islamic teaching.
As for your rather dim view of Muslims in general, all I can say is that Intellect has shown that the pot is calling the kettle black.
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
Intellect Just because I didn’t read I am not sincere those who read it are sincere. what a logic? You really an intellect
I say;
I did not say who do not read my comments are not sincere. If you say “I have good visitors to my house”. Does that mean those who do not visit you at your house are bad? No, I did not say the Christians who do not read by articles are bad but Robert Wells is a sincere Christian who read my comments and engage with me in other to know more about the two faiths even though he is a confessed islamophobe but I still call him sincere.
I am an intellect because my intellect is telling me that every person is a being and every person is “he” or “she” and Yahweh said He is One, Only and alone He and One divine Being and disqualifies Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit as Gods and therefore 3 persons/beings are not equal to One being i.e. divine being(God).
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corrections
and engage me in order………….
read my articles…………….
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If I say, I don’t visit your house. you say “Well I entertain only nice people”. Does that mean those who do not visit you at your house are bad? you tell me now?
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
Ok thanks for letting me know that muslims aren’t polite. Fyi, saying B.S doesn’t consider to be vulgar but spelling it like you did consider to be Vulgar, not so intellect?
I say;
No one is polite when attacked either physically or with abusive word be him Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist etc. and you proved me right by using BS=Bull Shit as a Christian.
BS=Bull Shit, whether is full or abbreviated it is the same and carry the same meaning. It is just like 3 persons/beings is the same as worshiping 3 beings and it is polytheism and against the Bible.
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It is one of the social convention, You can say B.S even in the meeting but you cannot spell or pronounce the whole word. You are being dumb, to say the least. Man, you are entertaining.
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
If I say, I don’t visit your house. you say “Well I entertain only nice people”. Does that mean those who do not visit you at your house are bad? you tell me now?
I say;
Did I say. I entertain only sincere Christians to read my comments? No. The comments is on the cloud i.e. on the net and anyone could read if he wants and I cannot entertain or un entertain anyone reading my comments because I am not the blogs owner.
You see how human intellect can work/
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Johny the Nerd
You said;
It is one of the social convention, You can say B.S even in the meeting but you cannot spell or pronounce the whole word. You are being dumb, to say the least. Man, you are entertaining.
I say;
I am not dumb but you are ignorant and naïve not to know BS=Bull Shit and if even you write BS to your boss he will fire you right away for disrespect and using abusive language. I am wise enough not to take your stupid idea to use BS in my meetings.
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Who has a time to read your screed? You said sincere Christians read my comments. It implies those who don’t read it aren’t sincere. Well, as much as I like to get entertain by your drivel. I gotta go. You keep writing screed, thanks for the entertainment.
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Did you miss the part, It is one of the social convention? man you are too funny! You are going to change the social conventions. Good luck with that, why only the example of Boss? During the meeting we can use the word B.S. Watch some telly. You are dumb.
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Gentlemen that is enough. Thanks.
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