One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, ‘Which commandment is the first of all?’ Jesus answered,
‘The first is, “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one”
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The shema only makes sense if there is plurality in the one god. Why would a single being need to remind his followers on a regular basis that he is one unless he has qualities of plurality?
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weird.
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LOL, by that logic, you could assume that God is an endless plurality. Why stop at three?
But seriously, God was reminding people who were living in a pagan world that He alone is the supreme being. That’s why the Shema needed to be repeated and it’s teachings renewed.
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Trey
Why did He(God) not remind His followers that “the Lord or God is Triune”?, multi-person?, plurality God?, Jesus Christ of Nazareth?, God-Man, hypostasis, 3 in 1 God etc. but clearly said “God is ONE, ONE, ONE,ONE, ONE, ONE AND ONE ONLY ONE AND ALONE.
One is not 2, or 3 in 1. Jesus had the chance to clearly say his God is 3 in 1 but Jesus did not say that but said so many times his God is 1 and the ONLY TRUE God who is alone and Jesus is not included in any God head because Jesus said he was sernt by the only true God. That true God WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD sent Jesus Christ.
It is Jesus who said that not Jews or Muslims or the Unitarians but Jesus himself said his God is 1 and not Triune. Why follow satan the devil who deviate your scripture and mind and abandon Jesus Christ? the insult Prophet Mohammed who tells you the God of Jesus is reminding you to come back home and abandon that Triune God concept of the Greeko-Romans defined by men at councils upon councils and not found in the Bible?
Jason said the Trinitarians love Trinity than the truth. They see Trinity where Trinity does not belong. Trinity does not belong to the Shema period and full stop.
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Faiz
“LOL, by that logic, you could assume that God is an endless plurality. Why stop at three?
But seriously, God was reminding people who were living in a pagan world that He alone is the supreme being. That’s why the Shema needed to be repeated and it’s teachings renewed.”
God doesn’t reveal himself as an endless plurality, so it’s a moot point and your attempt at logic fails again. Also I think that you are unable to be objective here. The words are….“Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”.
It says nothing about god being alone. It says HE IS ONE. This is an extremely strange thing to say. Who would think that a being is anything other than one? Why would anyone think that a being is in some way not “one” being?
When pagans worshiped the greek gods, for example, they never presumed that any of these individual entities were more than one being – zeus didn’t have to tell people that he was “one”, Apollo did not have to tell people he was “one” because it is obvious.
No false or pagan god as far as I know had the qualities of plurality in one being and so none of them ever said something bizarre like “I am one.”
So there must be some quality about the true god that is pluralistic unlike man-made gods who resemble man in their “oneness” and solitary personhood.
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Faiz
“LOL, by that logic, you could assume that God is an endless plurality. Why stop at three?
But seriously, God was reminding people who were living in a pagan world that He alone is the supreme being. That’s why the Shema needed to be repeated and it’s teachings renewed.”
God doesn’t reveal himself as an endless plurality, so it’s a moot point and your attempt at logic fails again. Also I think that you are unable to be objective here. The words are….“Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”.
It says nothing about god being alone. It says HE IS ONE. This is an extremely strange thing to say. Who would think that a being is anything other than one? Why would anyone think that a being is in some way not “one” being?
When pagans worshiped the greek gods, for example, they never presumed that any of these individual entities were more than one being – zeus didn’t have to tell people that he was “one”, Apollo did not have to tell people he was “one” because it is obvious.
No false or pagan god as far as I know had the qualities of plurality in one being and so none of them ever said something bizarre like “I am one.”
So there must be some quality about the true god that is pluralistic unlike man-made gods who resemble man in their “oneness” and solitary personhood.
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Trey
You said;
It says nothing about god being alone. It says HE IS ONE. This is an extremely strange thing to say. Who would think that a being is anything other than one? Why would anyone think that a being is in some way not “one” being?
I say;
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
I am sorry to say may be you do not know how to read very well or think very well or you do not know your Bible very well. God said clearly He is alone several times in the Bible and He also said He is the Only True God and Jesus said the only true God is not Jesus but Jesus is the messenger of the Only true God and Jesus is not a true God.
Trey. Why are the Trinitarians in love with Trinity than the truth and than the clear statements?
“You alone, Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
New International Version
Now, LORD our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you, LORD, are the only God.”
New Living Translation
Now, O LORD our God, rescue us from his power; then all the kingdoms of the earth will know that you alone, O LORD, are God.”
Trey the Bible clearly says God is 1, He is ONLY AND ALONE. Where is your plurarity here?
Plurarity of God means idol worship and it means more than one God. You can say a person is God or calf is God, monkey is God, elephant is God etc. and that is the plurarity of God and it is punishable in the hell fire if you have that idea and ignore these clear verses that has been made clear for you.
We have God who says He is 1, He is Alone and He is the Only God. Where is the plurarity here?
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Intellect
Your points are completely irrelevant and in no way answer my comment. Stop throwing out red herrings and try to answer logically. Why would any being need to tell people that he is ONE being – wouldn’t it be obvious?
The only reason god would do so would be to clarify that he is one despite his plurality. The shema is one of the strongest of god’s revelations of his plurality and it in no way supports the allah’s absolute oneness.
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Trey
The answer is that God is warning the idol worshipers not to add any person or persons, monkey, calf, Jesus Christ, snake, Emperor Haile Selaissie, etc. to the 1 God of Abraham. Don’t you understand this?
If he was plural He would have said 3 persons 1 God instead of 1.
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Intellect
Where does the shema talk about persons? Where does it talk about idol worshipers?
Don’t exceed the limits.
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Trey
You said;
Trey
September 11, 2016 • 6:18 pm
Intellect
Where does the shema talk about persons? Where does it talk about idol worshipers?
Don’t exceed the limits
I say;
Let me make it clear to you
“Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
Yahweh said I, I, I, I, I,I am He, He, He, He and no one else, no one else, no one else is God. Don’t you understand English?
Yahweh said He is the only one God and He is alone and Jesus said yes, his God is the only true God and He sent Jesus and Jesus is a send(ee) but not God. The shema did not talk about person but clearly talked about God is 1. Where did you get the 3 Persons form?
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Why have you blocked my comments?
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They are not blocked.
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That’s weird. They did not go through at first. Sorry for the double posting.
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Trey
You said;
It says nothing about god being alone. It says HE IS ONE. This is an extremely strange thing to say. Who would think that a being is anything other than one? Why would anyone think that a being is in some way not “one” being?
I say;
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
I am sorry to say may be you do not know how to read very well or think very well or you do not know your Bible very well. God said clearly He is alone several times in the Bible and He also said He is the Only True God and Jesus said the only true God is not Jesus but Jesus is the messenger of the Only true God and Jesus is not a true God.
Trey. Why are the Trinitarians in love with Trinity than the truth and than the clear statements?
“You alone, Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
New International Version
Now, LORD our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you, LORD, are the only God.”
New Living Translation
Now, O LORD our God, rescue us from his power; then all the kingdoms of the earth will know that you alone, O LORD, are God.”
Trey the Bible clearly says God is 1, He is ONLY AND ALONE. Where is your plurarity here?
Plurarity of God means idol worship and it means more than one God. You can say a person is God or calf is God, monkey is God, elephant is God etc. and that is the plurarity of God and it is punishable in the hell fire if you have that idea and ignore these clear verses that has been made clear for you.
We have God who says He is 1, He is Alone and He is the Only God. Where is the plurarity here?
The mere thinking of the plurarity of God despite these clear verses has earned the thinker a hell fire. The person has ignored the clear verses of God and invented his plurarity of God that God has condemned when He said to the children of Israel that the calf(form) that they are worshiping is not Him for He does not belong to many forms at different places at the same time. That thinking of God in different form and plurarity of God becomes idolatry punishable in hell fire.
Prophet Mohammed was here to bring people back to the worship of the only 1 God of Abraham who is Alone. He deserves respect and some Jews and Christians respect Prophet Mohammed, Muslims and Islam except Trey.
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Intellect
You still don’t get this simple point – what is wrong with you dude? Christians agree that god is one, what you are incapable of answering is why god would make a point of pointing out that he is one being. PLease answer this simple point – why would anyone presume a being to be anything other than one being? What is it about the true god that requires him to remind people that he is only one being?
The answer is obvious – god is plurality in one being.
The shema almost proves this.
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Trey
To warn idol worshipers who add other things like persons, elephants, snakes, monkeys, Jesus Christ, Emperor Haile Selaissie, Sai Baba and any other things to stop that and stick to the Shema. The Shema did not say plurarity or multipersons etc.
Saying I am one is the opposite of plurarity. Don’t you know what prulal means. It means not single. God said clearly He is one, only and alone and Jesus said his God is the only true God and Jesus was sent by that true God who is the only true God and alone?.
How can a lone God who is one and alone be plural? You do not know what plural means at all. Yes God is warning any idol worshiper that He is one and no addition of a person, rat, Jesus Christ, Emperor Haile Selaissie, Calf etc. to Him(the one and only God who is alone).
The only one God of Abraham told the Jews who worshiped calf that He is not in any form scattered in different places and any one who thinks so has hell fire waiting for him.
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Trey,
God doesn’t reveal Himself as a trinity either, so your point is moot. The concept of the trinity evolved over several centuries and was never taught by Jesus (pbuh), nor was he aware of the concept. Your trinitarian presuppositions do not prove anything.
It was a common belief in paganism that the gods took human form. Divine incarnation into a human body is found only in pagan religions before Christianity. Thus, it makes sense that the Shema was repeated and renewed intermittently. That is why the First Commandment was:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me.”
No mention of plurality here, just a firm commitment to monotheism and the rejection of other deities.
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Faiz
You are so dense. Any kind of plurality destroys tawheed and hence the primary message of the quran. So gloat away. LMAO!
“It was a common belief in paganism that the gods took human form. Divine incarnation into a human body is found only in pagan religions before Christianity.”
Right. And none of these pagan gods had to tell their followers that they were “one” being. The true god revealed himself as a plural one.
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Trey
I’m always impressed when Christians try and justify genocide, the mass slaughter of entire populations.
What a noble and dignified religion. I almost want to convert back…
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“And none of these pagan gods had to tell their followers that they were “one” being.”
But your God is not one “being”. He/they are two.
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Paul
What are you talking about?
Burhanuddin
“But your God is not one “being”. He/they are two.”
You have written several posts on the christian god, and have probably left hundreds of laconic one liner comments mocking the trinity and you make a really dumb mistake like that. You broadcast your ignorance dude.
Either way, neither of you have answered the problems I have raised. The shema supports the concept of god’s plurality. It is redundant for any being to tell us he is one being unless there is some quality of his that requires this reminder.
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“But your God is not one “being”. He/they are two.”
Trey
“and you make a really dumb mistake like that.”
Your God is a GodMan with two natures/beings/substances.
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“Your God is a GodMan with two natures/beings/substances.”
Huh?
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You broadcast your ignorance dude.
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There are two options for the trinitarian, if Jesus said “the Lord our God, the Lord is one”.
1. Jesus spoke the truth, then Jesus is not God. Because “one” in the trinitarian sense can only mean “one divine nature”. Jesus, the GodMan is two natures.
1. If Jesus was “God”, the GodMan, he lied. Because the incarnated GodMan giving a definition of God has to say “the Lord our God, the Lord is two.”
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Hey Paul
You said…I’m always impressed when Christians try and justify genocide, the mass slaughter of entire populations.
Can you then explain for me who,took the lives in the flood and the lives in Sodom and Gormorrah?
Muslims can have the opinion od people like you because all the details are in the Hadith and not in the Koran.
If the details of the Hadith were put in the Koran no Muslim would have leg to stand on,
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