Not an atheist. My point stands. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the rest, all claim to have the one truth. Until differences of faith can be accepted instead of dogmatically debated, nothing will change.
And yet it’s the disagreements which provide things such as the tweet to Lambeth Palace. Was it necessary, or you as happy to accept the Church attempting to have a presence in your life in the name of salvation, as you are to see Islam attempting to have a presence in the lives of Christians?
Which sounds like a not-so-subtle means of seeking to push beliefs upon people who do not want that. I experienced this firsthand in town the other day. A man started talking to me about God and even started walking with me. It was unsolicited and uninvited. It doesn’t matter how sincere or righteous he felt he was being, I didn’t invite him to intrude upon my space and time. If I want to explore faiths and beliefs for my personal sake, I will seek out places of worship. If not, is it too much to ask to be left alone?
Hang on. Paul sent an unsolicited tweet. Sanctioned eh? Besides, I am not telling you your faith is wrong. I am not trying to convert you to a different faith. You understand the difference between that sort of thing and suggesting people shouldn’t interfere with each other’s beliefs right?
It was a deliberate ‘poking of the bear’, when it wasn’t necessary. It represents the interference I mentioned. It’s no different to someone approaching me on the street.
I think you have a BIG chip on your shoulder about religion. You attack it at every opportunity. I was pointing out to a Christian organisation (as a follower of Jesus myself) that the earliest gospels depict Jesus as being passionate about the love of God – not himself. I think its a valid point to make in light of their tweet.
I could argue similar about you Paul. You attack Christianity frequently. You criticise atheism frequently. You have devoted an entire blog to attacking democracy, to the point where you even quoted the dictator Mussolini in one of your posts. Would you apply for a job by immediately questioning one of the company’s positions?
“Would you apply for a job by immediately questioning one of the company’s positions?”
A ridiculous analogy. I’m not applying for any position. You appear to be a bit obsessed about a simple tweet I sent which was not rude or offensive in any way.
let me ask you: why do you come on my blog as you clearly dislike it so much?
Never claimed to dislike it. The analogy stands. Or perhaps, to make a better one, would you respond to a job advertisement (which is what the tweet was) with something completely off-topic? Admit it, however you phrased it, you did it in the hope of being provocative.
If it’s necessary and relevant then perhaps you will have the courtesy to explain why. Nevertheless, I will answer.
You established this blog for the purpose of theological discussion, correct? That’s what I come here for. It doesn’t mean I will agree with everything you say, like a drone, and I don’t think you want that.
@darthtimon you wrote “Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the rest, all claim to have the one truth. Until differences of faith can be accepted instead of dogmatically debated, nothing will change.”
You can replace religion with economic theory, political theory, forms of government etc etc. everyone thinks he is right? does it mean we should;t discuss?
the problem is not discussing and holding to ones “truth” but rather acceptance that all humans have right to their version of “truth”.
Do you ever not wonder if the world would be a better place if Christians and Muslims left each other alone?
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lol but the truth about God and Jesus matters. Our salvation can depend on it.
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Then the cycle will never end, not when everyone is ‘right’.
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but you say that because you are an atheist. Objective truth exists – it is real.
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Not an atheist. My point stands. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the rest, all claim to have the one truth. Until differences of faith can be accepted instead of dogmatically debated, nothing will change.
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so what god do you worship?
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Relevance please, to the point I raised?
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you’ll see. So your answer?
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I have actually answered this before.
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You go ahead and watch someone walk off a cliff to certain death, then. Just “leave them alone.”
Not exactly taking your own advice by commenting here anyway, are ya?
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Different situation. Here we have competing ideologies, all proclaiming objective truth. They all can’t be right.
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they can agree on much but disagree on somethings
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And yet it’s the disagreements which provide things such as the tweet to Lambeth Palace. Was it necessary, or you as happy to accept the Church attempting to have a presence in your life in the name of salvation, as you are to see Islam attempting to have a presence in the lives of Christians?
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But we all see it in the way I described. The sincere ones, anyway.
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Which sounds like a not-so-subtle means of seeking to push beliefs upon people who do not want that. I experienced this firsthand in town the other day. A man started talking to me about God and even started walking with me. It was unsolicited and uninvited. It doesn’t matter how sincere or righteous he felt he was being, I didn’t invite him to intrude upon my space and time. If I want to explore faiths and beliefs for my personal sake, I will seek out places of worship. If not, is it too much to ask to be left alone?
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No. But you’re kind of doing the same thing here.
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Perhaps. Doesn’t invalidate my point though.
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The fact that you came to a sanctioned boxing match to “break up a fight” kinda does.
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Hang on. Paul sent an unsolicited tweet. Sanctioned eh? Besides, I am not telling you your faith is wrong. I am not trying to convert you to a different faith. You understand the difference between that sort of thing and suggesting people shouldn’t interfere with each other’s beliefs right?
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“Paul sent an unsolicited tweet” – Lambeth Palace invited replies to their tweet. Look again..
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They invited applications for a job.
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and other comments were not excluded. Time to be honest dude: you hate religion and all it stands for. That is why you object.
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You don’t know what I think of religion.
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I was talking about this blog as being analogous to the sanctioned boxing match. Don’t be on Twitter if you don’t want tweets lol.
Yeah, there’s a bit of difference. But both are annoying.
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It was a deliberate ‘poking of the bear’, when it wasn’t necessary. It represents the interference I mentioned. It’s no different to someone approaching me on the street.
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Then consider your revenge gotten 😂
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I’ll consider it gotten when Liverpool win the league.
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I’ll have my binoculars ready and waiting so I can spot them pigs when they start a-flyin’ 😜
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If they win the league I’ll have no doubts about God’s existence. That or if England win something.
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I think you have a BIG chip on your shoulder about religion. You attack it at every opportunity. I was pointing out to a Christian organisation (as a follower of Jesus myself) that the earliest gospels depict Jesus as being passionate about the love of God – not himself. I think its a valid point to make in light of their tweet.
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I could argue similar about you Paul. You attack Christianity frequently. You criticise atheism frequently. You have devoted an entire blog to attacking democracy, to the point where you even quoted the dictator Mussolini in one of your posts. Would you apply for a job by immediately questioning one of the company’s positions?
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“Would you apply for a job by immediately questioning one of the company’s positions?”
A ridiculous analogy. I’m not applying for any position. You appear to be a bit obsessed about a simple tweet I sent which was not rude or offensive in any way.
let me ask you: why do you come on my blog as you clearly dislike it so much?
btw Mussolini said some insightful things.
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Never claimed to dislike it. The analogy stands. Or perhaps, to make a better one, would you respond to a job advertisement (which is what the tweet was) with something completely off-topic? Admit it, however you phrased it, you did it in the hope of being provocative.
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I asked you a question. Are you not going to answer?
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What was your question?
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BTW, Mussolini was also a tyrant. Not the best way to object to democracy.
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let me ask you: why do you come on my blog as you clearly dislike it so much?
btw Mussolini said some insightful things.
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Already answered – I never claimed to hate your blog.
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you didnt say why you come you come to this blog.
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Is that necessary? Is it relevant? You do this a lot Paul – I would love to understand why.
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yes that’s necessary. Yes it is relevant.
Whats your agenda dude?
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If it’s necessary and relevant then perhaps you will have the courtesy to explain why. Nevertheless, I will answer.
You established this blog for the purpose of theological discussion, correct? That’s what I come here for. It doesn’t mean I will agree with everything you say, like a drone, and I don’t think you want that.
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you never agree with anything I say and you constantly criticise what i write.
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Not true. Even if it were, do you want discussion or do you want a chorus of nodding heads and agreement? If the latter, why allow comments at all?
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it is true. your contribution are usually negative and unconstructive.
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You’re one to talk about dogma. 🙂
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@darthtimon you wrote “Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the rest, all claim to have the one truth. Until differences of faith can be accepted instead of dogmatically debated, nothing will change.”
You can replace religion with economic theory, political theory, forms of government etc etc. everyone thinks he is right? does it mean we should;t discuss?
the problem is not discussing and holding to ones “truth” but rather acceptance that all humans have right to their version of “truth”.
so long as we have this distinction we are fine.
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“the problem is not discussing and holding to ones “truth” but rather acceptance that all humans have right to their version of “truth”.”
Well said……
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.~ Qur’an 109:6, Pickthall
To you be your Way, and to me mine.~ Qur’an 109:6, Yusuf Ali
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paulie, i don’t get rjm reply.
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