I’m saying in terms of who is right. Christians or Muslims. We can’t both be right because we do not worship the same God. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Which I proved that in this post.
“Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”
Duh!
Those prophets have never worshiped a human being whatsoever as you do. In fact. Jesus himself has never worshiped a human being. They worship Allah alone.
Jesus is the Son of God. The most influential person to ever live. He was fully human and fully God. A thousand times more important than Muhammad. You worship a modern day Baal.
“The most influential person to ever live.” Nope, the Father and HS are as influential. And if you mean “human person”, he never lived according to trinitarianism.
Stop talking nonsense get your facts straight dude.
For a balanced picture one must read the complete Quran, know the context of Revelation, consider all the relevant Hadith and Sirah literature, and of course know Arabic.
When you have done that I will take your opinion seriously.
How could this have anything to do with me?
I’m asking you since you believe that Jesus is “The most influential person to ever live”, so again do you accept that the father is the (ONLY TRUE) God as Jesus himself taught or not? That is Jesus’s statement not mine.
“He is sayings that about Himself essentially”
This answer contains your implicit objection already regarding what Jesus stated explicitly !
What’s wrong If you said I accept what Jesus said that the father is the (ONLY TRUE) God? Any thing wrong of that?
If you were so comfortable about that statement, you wouldn’t need a second to think about it, nor would you need any modification to accept it.
However, this is completely understood since that statement contradicts what you believe in about Jesus.
And I’m telling you, this problem is not about you alone, it’s the whole matter that we debate christians because of.
You see, although our approach for your bible that it’s not trustworthy, and it got corrupted to begin with, yet muslims make their case from that bible by using the clearest & the most unambiguous statements that Jesus himself taught. On the other hand, christians by all their spectrum & whether they are scholars, pastors or ordinary people, they make their case by using the most ambiguous statements or by using statements Jesus has never said ever. Again, all of this regardless the authenticity of your bible.
I think this is something you should stop and reflect about.
“Jesus is the Son of God. The most influential person to ever live. He was fully human and fully God. A thousand times more important than Muhammad. You worship a modern day Baal.”
the baal you worship is in the picture you used for yourself. you really like worshipping males, don’t you ?
“How can Jesus be both son of God and God too? Is he his own son?”
this is the confusion. if the son has access to the same powers the fathers has which gives the father the ability to FATHER, then how is it that jesus is not his own son too?
if the father has access to the same powers which give the son to be parented, then why is that father not his own son too?
“I’m sorry my friend but it is you who are worshipping the modern day Baal. Which your people have been doing before Muhammad even existed lol.”
sorry, you are wrong. Muhammad said to worship God and God alone, we obey him (muhammad ) in that.
modern day baal? you like pictures of males man. you like thinking about males with open gashes. what is worse is that you think the abomination you worship was god as male on earth.
“John 16:2-3 you have never known the Great I am. These verses directly address your people. At least the radical groups.”
but then when he has a bit more time to explain himself (i guess this time no stones were available and jesus got lucky ) he said that even the jews are called sons of god.
“In essence the Son is the same as the Father. 3 distinct personas of one God. Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .”
how is it ridiculous when you just admitted that each person has access to the same powers which makes each one father, son and ghost?
“In essence the Son is the same as the Father. 3 distinct personas of one God. Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .”
so the company of persons in the trinity have access to each others powers, right?
so it is possible that the power the father has to send the son, is shared by the son, so they are both paradoxically sending the son and the father and the son are both paradoxically being sent
this is not ridiculous hypothetical
this is you admitting that jesus can be his own dad
and the father can be his own son
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The Father begets the Son, and Father and Son generate the HS eternally. They are not the same.
but he just admitted that the powers which give each persons to perform a function is accessible to each. does this mean the son paradoxically begot the father?
or the father and son both begot father and son?
You are giving hypothetical scenarios that obviously could happen but didn’t. He begat Jesus in the sense that God Himself impregnated Mary. Jesus didn’t impregnate Mary with the Father so it’s a ridiculous example.
“You are giving hypothetical scenarios that obviously could happen but didn’t. He begat Jesus in the sense that God Himself impregnated Mary. Jesus didn’t impregnate Mary with the Father so it’s a ridiculous example.”
so now you are saying that they are not the same. you are saying that the power which gives the father and ghost to impregnate mary was not accessible to the son. now you created DISTINCTION and difference between the persons.
did the father become twin with the spirit when impregnating mary? was jesus doing any team work while one member of trinity was being created?
you believe in gods who have accessible and inaccessible powers, this implies the divine powers are ACCESSED and not PERMANENT .
impossible. when the son is being sent and has a sender, he is not the same as the sender. otherwise if each has access to the ability to send and is performing it , then you have each sending one another which is ridiculous. the son does not have the power to send when he is being sent, that function of his is turned off or on standby.
this is why words have meanings
this is why we say “distinct” “different” “other”
god is invisible being. he couldn’t fix the problem of sin so he had to become a material being.
funny thing is that he tells people not to focus on material things but immaterial.
you find invisible yhwh telling people to focus on immaterial yhwh/invisible yhwh
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who has the real answers
God does, obviously.
Read the Quran for the Last Testament to mankind.
You write on your blog:
“The traditional King James Version of the Bible is the only inerrant English version”
All I can say is: Oh dear.
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I’m saying in terms of who is right. Christians or Muslims. We can’t both be right because we do not worship the same God. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Which I proved that in this post.
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“Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”
Duh!
Those prophets have never worshiped a human being whatsoever as you do. In fact. Jesus himself has never worshiped a human being. They worship Allah alone.
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Jesus is the Son of God. The most influential person to ever live. He was fully human and fully God. A thousand times more important than Muhammad. You worship a modern day Baal.
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How can Jesus be both son of God and God too? Is he his own son? Also he prayed to God and worshiped him, so he is obviously not Yahweh.
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You can check out my post The mystery of the Trinity and it explains the 3 in 1 persona of God
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“The most influential person to ever live.” Nope, the Father and HS are as influential. And if you mean “human person”, he never lived according to trinitarianism.
Stop talking nonsense get your facts straight dude.
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Live as a human in the flesh is what I mean. My facts are straight. I don’t see how you are blind to what my post says: who has the real answers.
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God has the ‘real answers’. You are not God. I already told you that. The Quran is his infallible Word. Go read it.
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If you read my post you would see that it is full of contradictions
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Sorry I dont have time to read your post.
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Lol then there is no point in arguing because that spells it out clearly.
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“Live as a human in the flesh is what I mean.” LOL, that’s your opinion and no fact, haha
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There’s plenty of evidence.
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Have you read the Holy Qur’an?
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I’ve read certain verses and I can see how it has spawned radical idealists.
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For a balanced picture one must read the complete Quran, know the context of Revelation, consider all the relevant Hadith and Sirah literature, and of course know Arabic.
When you have done that I will take your opinion seriously.
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“The most influential person to ever live”
Ok, do you accept his teaching then that the father is the (ONLY TRUE) God?
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As long as you accept where he says I and the Father are one
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As long as you accept the correct interpretation: one in will and purpose, not in being.
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How could this have anything to do with me?
I’m asking you since you believe that Jesus is “The most influential person to ever live”, so again do you accept that the father is the (ONLY TRUE) God as Jesus himself taught or not? That is Jesus’s statement not mine.
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He is sayings that about Himself essentially. But it would sound absurd to you because you cannot comprehend the Trinity.
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You mean plenty of circular reasoning
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You cannot comprehend as you don’t have the holy spirit
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You will know one day.
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You cannot abide in Christ.
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“He is sayings that about Himself essentially”
This answer contains your implicit objection already regarding what Jesus stated explicitly !
What’s wrong If you said I accept what Jesus said that the father is the (ONLY TRUE) God? Any thing wrong of that?
If you were so comfortable about that statement, you wouldn’t need a second to think about it, nor would you need any modification to accept it.
However, this is completely understood since that statement contradicts what you believe in about Jesus.
And I’m telling you, this problem is not about you alone, it’s the whole matter that we debate christians because of.
You see, although our approach for your bible that it’s not trustworthy, and it got corrupted to begin with, yet muslims make their case from that bible by using the clearest & the most unambiguous statements that Jesus himself taught. On the other hand, christians by all their spectrum & whether they are scholars, pastors or ordinary people, they make their case by using the most ambiguous statements or by using statements Jesus has never said ever. Again, all of this regardless the authenticity of your bible.
I think this is something you should stop and reflect about.
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Good points Abdullah.
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“Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Which I proved that in this post.”
may i remind you that the name god used for himself when he created the heavens and the earth was not the descriptor “ehye asher ehye” but Elhm?
giron in the past has defended the name ALLAH
AND AR RAHMAN
https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/allah-is-the-rimmon-of-syria-a-reply-to-christian-mendacity/
Allah is the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob .
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Read my post who has the real answers my friend.
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God has the real answers. We must not commit idolatry by worshiping a man as you do. That way lies hell fire.
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He is not a mere mortal sir. He is the king of kings. He is the Son of God
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So you deny he is fully human???
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He is fully human and fully God.
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So when you worship Jesus do you worship his deity or do you worship the man too?
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His deity. I don’t worship his flesh alone.
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Just to be clear when you worship Jesus you deliberately focus on his deity and avoid worshiping the man right?
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“Jesus is the Son of God. The most influential person to ever live. He was fully human and fully God. A thousand times more important than Muhammad. You worship a modern day Baal.”
the baal you worship is in the picture you used for yourself. you really like worshipping males, don’t you ?
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“How can Jesus be both son of God and God too? Is he his own son?”
this is the confusion. if the son has access to the same powers the fathers has which gives the father the ability to FATHER, then how is it that jesus is not his own son too?
if the father has access to the same powers which give the son to be parented, then why is that father not his own son too?
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You do not have the ability to comprehend the concept of the Trinity on your own. Read my post the mystery of the Trinity please
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I have never met a Christian who really understands the doctrine of the trinity. It is incoherent and self contradictory
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It’s not that complicated for a believer who actively seeks the Lord.
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Then why has no Christian I have met ever been able to explain it?
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Well the ones you have met probably aren’t actively looking for answers like that.
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Oh they are!
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2 Corinthians 4:3-4 can give you an idea of why you lack the ability to comprehend.
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But you do not understand either.
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John 16:2-3 you have never known the Great I am. These verses directly address your people. At least the radical groups.
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read the comments below
you worship an abomination.
repent now .
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I’m sorry my friend but it is you who are worshipping the modern day Baal. Which your people have been doing before Muhammad even existed lol.
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iptrey
if the son has access to the same POWERS which give the father the ability to be FATHER, then can the son FATHER his father?
do you see? unless you say it is INACCESSIBLE , you have to agree with me that the son can father the father.
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In essence the Son is the same as the Father. 3 distinct personas of one God. Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .
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“I’m sorry my friend but it is you who are worshipping the modern day Baal. Which your people have been doing before Muhammad even existed lol.”
sorry, you are wrong. Muhammad said to worship God and God alone, we obey him (muhammad ) in that.
modern day baal? you like pictures of males man. you like thinking about males with open gashes. what is worse is that you think the abomination you worship was god as male on earth.
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I am actually correct. I have done the research.
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You worship human nature – if you are orthodox trinitarian that is, which is highly doubtful in your case.
We worship the creator of the universe alone, just like Jesus did. There you go.
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“John 16:2-3 you have never known the Great I am. These verses directly address your people. At least the radical groups.”
but then when he has a bit more time to explain himself (i guess this time no stones were available and jesus got lucky ) he said that even the jews are called sons of god.
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Adam is called the Son of God in Luke’s gospel
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“In essence the Son is the same as the Father. 3 distinct personas of one God. Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .”
how is it ridiculous when you just admitted that each person has access to the same powers which makes each one father, son and ghost?
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“In essence the Son is the same as the Father. 3 distinct personas of one God. Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .”
so the company of persons in the trinity have access to each others powers, right?
so it is possible that the power the father has to send the son, is shared by the son, so they are both paradoxically sending the son and the father and the son are both paradoxically being sent
this is not ridiculous hypothetical
this is you admitting that jesus can be his own dad
and the father can be his own son
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“Could He? Sure but that’s a ridiculous hypothetical. They are the same .”
The Father begets the Son, and Father and Son generate the HS eternally. They are not the same.
You don’t understand the trinity.
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The Father begets the Son, and Father and Son generate the HS eternally. They are not the same.
but he just admitted that the powers which give each persons to perform a function is accessible to each. does this mean the son paradoxically begot the father?
or the father and son both begot father and son?
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You are giving hypothetical scenarios that obviously could happen but didn’t. He begat Jesus in the sense that God Himself impregnated Mary. Jesus didn’t impregnate Mary with the Father so it’s a ridiculous example.
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mr heathcliff,
Iptrey makes big claims but he obviously doesn’t have a clue. Another HS fail, no surprise.
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“You are giving hypothetical scenarios that obviously could happen but didn’t. He begat Jesus in the sense that God Himself impregnated Mary. Jesus didn’t impregnate Mary with the Father so it’s a ridiculous example.”
so now you are saying that they are not the same. you are saying that the power which gives the father and ghost to impregnate mary was not accessible to the son. now you created DISTINCTION and difference between the persons.
did the father become twin with the spirit when impregnating mary? was jesus doing any team work while one member of trinity was being created?
you believe in gods who have accessible and inaccessible powers, this implies the divine powers are ACCESSED and not PERMANENT .
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“His deity. I don’t worship his flesh alone.”
so you admit you worship flesh + ?
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can you explain how does “one divine powers” give abilities which are not shared by each person?
begetting is an ability
begotten is object of “to beget”
how does this derive from the same “divine powers”
??
how is one begotten and begetting at the same time derived from the same “one divine powers” ??
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ip, you are one of those polytheists who have to jump from tri theism to modalism to ….
this is the disease your religion has put you in.
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“They are the same”
impossible. when the son is being sent and has a sender, he is not the same as the sender. otherwise if each has access to the ability to send and is performing it , then you have each sending one another which is ridiculous. the son does not have the power to send when he is being sent, that function of his is turned off or on standby.
this is why words have meanings
this is why we say “distinct” “different” “other”
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Yep totally confused
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This is for you Iptrey:
https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/01/17/kjv-only-pastor-engages-in-intensive-word-study-in-original-english/
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So Muslims shouldn’t obey non Muslims then?
Great religionyou follow there PW. It’s so ridiculous you can’t even actually do it.
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Does the verse say Muslims shouldn’t obey non-Muslims? While we’re at it, what did Jesus say about obeying non-Christians?
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Yep great religion.
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Kmak, yes it does, according to many of your own scholars.
Others see a reference to the meccans, but that begs the question, how are the meccans the “majority of those on earth”?
So which do you choose?
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Iptrey said: “If you read my post you would see that it is full of contradictions”
Yes I fully agree, I have read your post and agree it’s full of contradictions…
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god is invisible being. he couldn’t fix the problem of sin so he had to become a material being.
funny thing is that he tells people not to focus on material things but immaterial.
you find invisible yhwh telling people to focus on immaterial yhwh/invisible yhwh
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christians are materialistic and so is there pagan god.
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