The US has been in all cases invited by allies to whom they have a responsibility to protect and assist. The US is involved in the Mid east because of Saudi Arabia, and their other muslim allies. Why not blame our muslim allies for wars?
No one invited it to invade Iraq 2003.
It’s a powerful empire which does everything it wants.
Many christians including acadmic ones have praised that step by US to invade Iraq.
The Kurds in Iraq supported the US, and Kuwait provided logistical support as well as the base of ops for the US military. And the Iraqi people celebrated the toppling of Saddam in the early years.
Kev, this whole mantra of gas attacks against the kurds is always taken out of context. To begin with, there is no so called kurdish homeland. Iraq has since the beginning of time consisted of the following parts: south with the ancient kingdom of sumer, central iraq with the ancient babylonian kingdom, and finally north iraq (were the kurds are), with the Assyrian kingdom. Saddam and every political authority in iraq knows this, and justifiably on historical grounds rejected kurdish autonomy.
It was the kurdish insinstence for autonomy alongside the kurds in halabja (were the gasing took place) who supported Khomeini of iran against iraq that make up context of the whole gasing episode.
This is not to justify what saddam did in anyway. But only to point out that Saddam did not make it an everyday policy to gas kurds wherevee they are. Unlike turkey, kurds in the major cities of Erbil and Sulaimaiah were allowed to speak and teach in their own language under the Baath regime.
You are saying that because Saddam limited his gassing of the kurds to, you know, just a couple of times or so, then what? What are you saying?
How does demanding autonomy “add context” to the mass murder of civilians and children?
Don;t tell me this is another one of those things where muslim violence against muslims gets a pass and is considered less evil than non-muslim violence against muslims?
My point is, Saddam did not constitute an existentiell threat to kurds. Kurds in iraq had more freedom than kurds under the turkish regime. For instance during the 90’s many kurds from turkey fled to iraq under saddam because they knew at least Saddam does not forbid the kurdish language in the traditional dominated kurdish cities of the north like Erbil.
My parents who were raised there say they even had textbooks written in kurdish. Mind you this was under Saddam and Baath regime era.
Add to the fact that kurds have no historical ground to separate from The rest of iraq.
In conclusion: justifying american invasion of iraq was completely wrong. Kurds were not under existentiell threat. The had more freedom compared to other countries where kurds don’t have freedom at all. Finally, no historical grounds to seperate from iraq, something the kurds demamded even before The saddam era in case you will cry “oh but saddam gassed them”
Since you care so much about the kurds, when are you going to petition for The invasion of turkey?
” The Kurds in Iraq supported the US”
That’s not true. You cannot release such a statment based on your imagination. Have you asked all people in Kurdistan?
Then what are they supposed to do? Fighting you? If they did, you would scream the terrorist people. BTW, why have the missionaries popped suddenly in Kurdistan ?! So after you bombed the people of the land, you send your missionaries as ” angels” to help people?
The is the peaceful way to spread christianity?
“My point is, Saddam did not constitute an existentiell threat to kurds. Kurds in iraq had more freedom than kurds under the turkish regime. For instance during the 90’s many kurds from turkey fled to iraq under saddam because they knew at least Saddam does not forbid the kurdish language in the traditional dominated kurdish cities of the north like Erbil.”
Are you even being serious?
Saddam certainly posed an existential threat to the kurds he gassed.
And I haven’t tried to justify the US invasion – where did I do that? All I’ve said is that the US gets blamed for helping its allies, many of whom are muslims, whilst muslim allies of the US are not held to account for their role in seeking US military aid.
Like I said, it takes brutal dictators like Saddam, Ghaddafi and Mubarak to keep blood thirsty islamist groups in check. Paul and even yourself have all but admitted that – without dictatorship, islam happens and ISIS appears.
Saddam certainly posed an existential threat to the kurds he gassed.”
But for godness sake, was it not obvious in what context i said that. When i talk about kurds i think i talk the 5 million kurds of northern iraq and not a few thousands kurds in a small village close to the border of iran who supported khomeini.
Easy and immoral for you to say sitting safely in your home in liberal democratic England where you are protected by the rule of law. Classic western arrogance.
Saddam was barely a muslim – his party was secular and guided by marxist principles, and under his rule, islamisation took place solely as a means to boost his political credentials.
Still, your posturing doesn’t change the fact that you condone the repression of muslims from the safety of your armchair in safe blighty. Tell it to the thousands of Kurds murdered by Saddam’s gas attacks.
I would have voted against the Iraq war and let the whole region live under sharia. Once modern-day people experience the reality of islamic law they will apostatize by the millions.
Muslims wish to live according to the sacred law of God. It brings justice, social harmony and due honour to God. It is a more pluralist and diverse social system than what we see in the UK for example. It is a much better way to live than the secular Western system.
The international law politically & economically has been applied by force over the world for the favor of imperialistic countries which lead to this unbalanced distribution for many things such as food.
Stop playing the rule of police over us.
I’ve watched Sam Harris & Bill Mahr recently. Those guys are typical to show the deluded idea about the superiority of the western mind. How on the world do they dare tell us what the normal is & what not is .
By which criteria ? The western values?! This is pwhat Bill Mahr said exactly.
Kev, it seems that you are taken by american sniper movie! Don’t worry, you’re not the fisrt one who is so ignorant among christians.
Pakistan is number 4 on the opendoors index of persecuting countries. Just a coincidence that it is an islamic republic with a constitution based on the quran and sunna?
Blogging Theology 
Simplistic.
The US has been in all cases invited by allies to whom they have a responsibility to protect and assist. The US is involved in the Mid east because of Saudi Arabia, and their other muslim allies. Why not blame our muslim allies for wars?
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No one invited it to invade Iraq 2003.
It’s a powerful empire which does everything it wants.
Many christians including acadmic ones have praised that step by US to invade Iraq.
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Abdullah
What’s your point?
The Kurds in Iraq supported the US, and Kuwait provided logistical support as well as the base of ops for the US military. And the Iraqi people celebrated the toppling of Saddam in the early years.
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“And the Iraqi people celebrated the toppling of Saddam in the early years.”
LOLOLOL!
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LOL..
I know!!!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=iraqis+celebrate+the+toppling+of+saddam&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLnoHh0orSAhXnIMAKHbC3Bd0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=670
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And here….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1427049/Jubilant-Iraqis-celebrate-Saddams-fall.html
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Kev, this whole mantra of gas attacks against the kurds is always taken out of context. To begin with, there is no so called kurdish homeland. Iraq has since the beginning of time consisted of the following parts: south with the ancient kingdom of sumer, central iraq with the ancient babylonian kingdom, and finally north iraq (were the kurds are), with the Assyrian kingdom. Saddam and every political authority in iraq knows this, and justifiably on historical grounds rejected kurdish autonomy.
It was the kurdish insinstence for autonomy alongside the kurds in halabja (were the gasing took place) who supported Khomeini of iran against iraq that make up context of the whole gasing episode.
This is not to justify what saddam did in anyway. But only to point out that Saddam did not make it an everyday policy to gas kurds wherevee they are. Unlike turkey, kurds in the major cities of Erbil and Sulaimaiah were allowed to speak and teach in their own language under the Baath regime.
My source: myself of kurdish background.
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poitierfrance
Gassing the kurds is “taken out of context”?
You are saying that because Saddam limited his gassing of the kurds to, you know, just a couple of times or so, then what? What are you saying?
How does demanding autonomy “add context” to the mass murder of civilians and children?
Don;t tell me this is another one of those things where muslim violence against muslims gets a pass and is considered less evil than non-muslim violence against muslims?
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Kev, i am not a muslim. Let that be clear.
So let’s move on to your comment.
My point is, Saddam did not constitute an existentiell threat to kurds. Kurds in iraq had more freedom than kurds under the turkish regime. For instance during the 90’s many kurds from turkey fled to iraq under saddam because they knew at least Saddam does not forbid the kurdish language in the traditional dominated kurdish cities of the north like Erbil.
My parents who were raised there say they even had textbooks written in kurdish. Mind you this was under Saddam and Baath regime era.
Add to the fact that kurds have no historical ground to separate from The rest of iraq.
In conclusion: justifying american invasion of iraq was completely wrong. Kurds were not under existentiell threat. The had more freedom compared to other countries where kurds don’t have freedom at all. Finally, no historical grounds to seperate from iraq, something the kurds demamded even before The saddam era in case you will cry “oh but saddam gassed them”
Since you care so much about the kurds, when are you going to petition for The invasion of turkey?
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My point that you’re occupiers.
” The Kurds in Iraq supported the US”
That’s not true. You cannot release such a statment based on your imagination. Have you asked all people in Kurdistan?
Then what are they supposed to do? Fighting you? If they did, you would scream the terrorist people. BTW, why have the missionaries popped suddenly in Kurdistan ?! So after you bombed the people of the land, you send your missionaries as ” angels” to help people?
The is the peaceful way to spread christianity?
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Kev, let me just ask you this: why do you think the U.S invaded iraq? And why was justified?
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poitierfrance
“My point is, Saddam did not constitute an existentiell threat to kurds. Kurds in iraq had more freedom than kurds under the turkish regime. For instance during the 90’s many kurds from turkey fled to iraq under saddam because they knew at least Saddam does not forbid the kurdish language in the traditional dominated kurdish cities of the north like Erbil.”
Are you even being serious?
Saddam certainly posed an existential threat to the kurds he gassed.
And I haven’t tried to justify the US invasion – where did I do that? All I’ve said is that the US gets blamed for helping its allies, many of whom are muslims, whilst muslim allies of the US are not held to account for their role in seeking US military aid.
Like I said, it takes brutal dictators like Saddam, Ghaddafi and Mubarak to keep blood thirsty islamist groups in check. Paul and even yourself have all but admitted that – without dictatorship, islam happens and ISIS appears.
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Abdullah
“That’s not true. You cannot release such a statment based on your imagination. Have you asked all people in Kurdistan?”
That is a particularly dumb comment. The US received help from Kurds on northern iraq. Historical fact.
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Don’t forget the weapons needed in gassing the Kurds and the Iranians were practically provided by the then greatest allies of Saddam: the USA.
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VS
Do you have evidence for that?
Even so, so what? The US didn’t make him use the gas.
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“Are you even being serious?
Saddam certainly posed an existential threat to the kurds he gassed.”
But for godness sake, was it not obvious in what context i said that. When i talk about kurds i think i talk the 5 million kurds of northern iraq and not a few thousands kurds in a small village close to the border of iran who supported khomeini.
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The US helped Saddam all the way through: with intelligence, weapons and in covering up chemical attacks.
Satan couldn’t have done a better job in inciting to perpetual war and mass murder.
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how many hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed as a result of the illegal US invasion? Life was much better under Sadam.
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Easy and immoral for you to say sitting safely in your home in liberal democratic England where you are protected by the rule of law. Classic western arrogance.
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LOL And you show typical Western arrogance by justifiying invasions of Muslim countries and being an apologist for mass murder. Sad.
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Oh dear.
Saddam was barely a muslim – his party was secular and guided by marxist principles, and under his rule, islamisation took place solely as a means to boost his political credentials.
Still, your posturing doesn’t change the fact that you condone the repression of muslims from the safety of your armchair in safe blighty. Tell it to the thousands of Kurds murdered by Saddam’s gas attacks.
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that is little compared to the hell unleashed by the illegal US invasion. It spawned ISIS.
You’re not going to win the argument dude. Vitually the whole world would disagree with you.
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Nonsense.
Islam spawned ISIS.
Your argument amounts to this…..it takes a brutal dictator to ensure that groups like ISIS don’t develop out of islamic theology.
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Why would mass murder in iraq be a problem for kev if the genocide of the amalekites isn’t. At least they spared the donkeys in iraq.
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HAshim
Why is the killing of Palestinians a problem if you don’t care about muslim on muslim violence?
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I do care about muslim on muslim violence.I condemn violence against any innocent human,as does the Quran. Sadly,there’s not much i can do about it.
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Also the illegal US invasion led directly to the creation of ISIS.
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I would have voted against the Iraq war and let the whole region live under sharia. Once modern-day people experience the reality of islamic law they will apostatize by the millions.
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Muslims wish to live according to the sacred law of God. It brings justice, social harmony and due honour to God.
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I say the west should help the muslim world to implement sharia – islam’s end would quickly ensue.
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like I said:
Muslims wish to live according to the sacred law of God. It brings justice, social harmony and due honour to God. It is a more pluralist and diverse social system than what we see in the UK for example. It is a much better way to live than the secular Western system.
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Paul
So, why isn’t there a rush for muslims to emigrate to Saudi Arabia or Iran?
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Many Muslims would like to live in Saudi but there are very restrictive immigration regulations. Very difficult to get even a work permit.
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The international law politically & economically has been applied by force over the world for the favor of imperialistic countries which lead to this unbalanced distribution for many things such as food.
Stop playing the rule of police over us.
I’ve watched Sam Harris & Bill Mahr recently. Those guys are typical to show the deluded idea about the superiority of the western mind. How on the world do they dare tell us what the normal is & what not is .
By which criteria ? The western values?! This is pwhat Bill Mahr said exactly.
Kev, it seems that you are taken by american sniper movie! Don’t worry, you’re not the fisrt one who is so ignorant among christians.
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“Muslims wish to live according to the sacred law of God. It brings justice, social harmony and due honour to God.”
Yes, it’s great for Christians to constantly live under the threat of being accused of blasphemy.
Like Asia Bibi in Pakistan for example.
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So suddenly Pakistan has the law of God?
That’s news to me.
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Who is the only country in history ever to use Nuclear weapons against any country?
Answers on a postcard
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“So suddenly Pakistan has the law of God?
That’s news to me.”
“Pakistan is unique among Muslim countries as it is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam.
Initially a dominion, Pakistan adopted a new constitution in 1956, becoming an Islamic republic.
The Constitution also states that all laws are to conform with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Quran and Sunnah.[29]”
Source Wikipedia
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Pakistan is number 4 on the opendoors index of persecuting countries. Just a coincidence that it is an islamic republic with a constitution based on the quran and sunna?
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