Jay Smith recently wheeled out this verse – out of context – to ‘prove’ that Muslims must murder all Christians!
Whenever critics bring verses of the Quran to demonstrate that Islam is violent, that it sanctions Muslims to kill non-Muslims (as claimed by them), they do a cut and paste of a verse and try to hide its context. They don’t show the previous and the verses after, what it actually says. Take for example this passage,
“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” – Quran 9:5
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Br. Paul, Here is a updated and more detailed version of this verse Q. 9:5:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/04/22/an-historical-examination-of-the-sword-verse-surah-95/
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Lol, so Jay admits Christians are idolaters?
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This is the beauty of the truth. These pagan paulians are forced to contradict themselves and lie at the expense of their own belief. As Allah SWT promised they will be exposed and humiliated and make the truth clear despite themselves
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Discover the fluff
Sadly, most people are not as self-delusional as our muslim bros.
Nowhere in the text does it say that the pagans have broken any treaty. The text says that allah has issued a declaration of disassociation to the pagans and that he gives them four months to live before mohammed is to commit genocide.
The reason? They don’t believe.
This is pathetic even for you DTF. The plain text clearly calls for genocide merely because the victims are polytheists.
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LOL
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Silly Kev you’ve refuted yourself mid-sentence and one needs to read the first verse of chapter 9 before going to verse 5, you silly sausage 😉
“[This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.” – Saheeh International Qur’an 9:1
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Patrice
Allah has broken the treaty, not the polytheists. As you point out…
My point stands. The text does not say what discover the fluff wants us to believe it says.
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Patrice said “silly Sausage”
Are those still available now that Sharia law has taken over the food supply of this once great nation?
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Are you on drugs?
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9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun the attack upon you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.
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lol brother Paul, did you mean to reply to me?
I was poking fun at Jay smiths lies about pork not being available in shops because muslims have got it banned, using Patrices “you silly sausage” comment against kev the idiot
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Not sure I’ll need to check
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Kev the incident in Surah 9 refers to a specific dispute where the polytheists in Mecca broke a peace treaty by attacking the Muslims hence why the Qur’an announces the end of the treaty.
It is also important to point out that polytheists who did not want to fight the Muslims would be granted asylum and would be free to remain polytheistic, also if Muhammad wished to kill them all then why establish a peace treaty in the first place? I hope you can understand why using this verse as some sort of justification for murdering innocents as just simply dumb.
Therefore Kev my dear boy you are still a silly sausage
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pat
LOL!!
Where does the text of surah 9 say this?
Please quote the specific aya……
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Hashim did it for me by quoting 9:13 which demonstrates that the polytheists broke their oath and by fighting the Muslims and secondly understanding the historical context of a passage is a legitimate means of interpreting the Qur’an and has been done for millenia so i have am allowed to appeal to said history.
Kev you are a silly sausage of the highest order
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Until now I did not realise there were differing orders of the sausage. Kev must be exceptional to merit the accolade of Sausage of the Highest Order.
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pat
Games.
You made this claim…..
So please show me where in the quran it says that these verses are talking about polytheists in mecca who broke a treaty and attacked muslims.
The text does not say any of that all.
LOL.
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Kev the only person playing games here is you. I have answered all of your objections by quoting the Qur’an and by referring to the history that these verses allude to. Instead of responding to them you instead persist in making uneccesary demands.
This is because you have no argument and are simply full of hot air.
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Pat
Please quote the verses where it makes specific mention of polytheists from mecca reneging on a treaty. It really is not hard of what you claim is true.
I suspect you have nothing.
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Yawn
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Lol kev is just a fly…
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LOL!!
Poor Pat can’t support his claim. I would feel embarrassed too.
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Anyone else want to have a go?
Where in the quran does it state explicitly that allah is referring to polytheists from mecca who reneged on a treaty?
Any muslim would do. Anyone…….?
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No thanks Kev. Just a warning my little fly: Start behaving like a human being with a brain or buzz off.
Consider your reply carefully. It could be your last on this blog.
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Kev3 wrote:
///Where does the text of surah 9 say this? Please quote the specific aya……///
Evidence here from the QURANIC VERSE;
“What! will you not fight a people WHO BROKE THEIR OATHS and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, AND THEY ATTACKED YOU first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.” – Quran 9:13
Here are CLASSICAL commentaries for Quran, chapter 9,
Ibn Kathir (1301 – 1373 AD):
(then stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves those who have Taqwa.) The Messenger of Allah and the Muslims preserved the terms of the treaty with the people of Makkah from the month of Dhul-Qa`dah in the sixth year of Hijrah, until the QURAYSH BROKE IT AND HELPED THEIR ALLIES, BANU BAKR, AGAINST KHUZA`AH, the allies of Allah’s Messenger . AIDED BY THE QURAYSH, BANU BAKR KILLED SOME OF BANI KHUZA`AH in the Sacred Area! The Messenger of Allah led an invasion army in the month of Ramadan, of the eighth year, and Allah opened the Sacred Area for him to rule over them…” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 9:7, Online Source).
http://www.alim.org/library/quran/AlQuran-tafsir/TIK/9/7
Ibn Kathir:
“It was also said that these Ayat refer to the idolators BREAKING THE PEACE AGREEMENT WITH MUSLIMS AND AIDING BANI BAKR, THEIR ALLIES, AGAINST KHUZA`AH, the ally of the Messenger of Allah. THIS IS WHY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH MARCHED TO MAKKAH in the year of the victory, thus conquering it…” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 9:13 – Online Source).
http://www.alim.org/library/quran/AlQuran-tafsir/TIK/9/13
Tafsir Jalalayn:
(except for those you made a treaty with at the Masjid al-Haram) Referring to the Treaty of Hudaybiyya. They are the Quraysh who were exempted before. (As long as they are straight with you, be straight with them) i.e. as long as they carry out the treaty and do not break it, you should fulfill it. The ma is conditional and not adverbial. (Allah loves those who have taqwa) The Prophet WAS STRAIGHT IN HIS TREATY WITH THEM UNTIL THEY BROKE IT BY HELPING THE BANU BAKR AGAINST KHUZA’A. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn on Surah 9:7 – Online source)
http://bewley.virtualave.net/tawba1.html
Tafsir al-Jalalyn:
“Will you not (a-la, ‘will not’ or ‘is not’, denotes incitement) fight a people who broke, violated, their oaths, their pacts, and intended to expel the Messenger, from Mecca — for they discussed this between them in their council assembly — initiating, combat, against you first?, when THEY FOUGHT ALONGSIDE BANU BAKR AGAINST KHUZA‘A, YOUR ALLIES? So what is stopping you from fighting them? Are you afraid of them? God is more worthy of your fear, when you fail to fight them, if you are believers.” (Tafsir al-Jalalayn on Surah 9:13, Online source)
http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=13&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
As-Sawi:
“[ As-Sawi: This refers to the Treaty of al-Hudaybiyya which stipulated that there would be no war for twenty years. The Banu Bakr formed an alliance with Quraysh and the Khuza’a with the Prophet. BANU BAKR THEN ATTACKED KHUZA’A AND QURAYSH HELPED THEM WITH WEAPONS, THUS BREAKING THE TREATY. ‘Amr b. ‘Allam al-Khuza’i went and informed the Prophet what had happened. The Prophet said, “You will not be helped if I do not help you,” and made preparations and went to Makka and conquered it in 8 AH. …”(Tafsir as-Sawi on Surah 9:3 – Online source)
http://bewley.virtualave.net/tawba1.html
Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas:
“(Will ye not fight a folk) why is it that you do not fight a people, i.e. the people of Mecca (who broke their solemn pledges) which are between them and you, (and purposed to drive out the messenger) and wanted to kill the Messenger when they entered Dar al-Nadwah (and did attack you first) by BREAKING THEIR PLEDGE WHEN THEY HELPED THE BANU BAKR, THEIR ALLIES, AGAINST THE BANU KHUZA’AH, THE ALLIES OF THE PROPHET (p)? (What! Fear ye them?) O believers, do you fear fighting them? (Now Allah hath more right that you should fear Him) because of leaving His command, (if ye are believers).” (Tanwir al-Miqbâs min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas on Surah 9:13 – Online Source)
http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=13&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
More evidence in the following article:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/04/22/an-historical-examination-of-the-sword-verse-surah-95/
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I don’t do drugs, if I did I would think that 3 persons are 1
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LOL
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High on HS?
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HS= Houdini slip? That’s the type of smoke and mirrors contortionist tricks you have to do in order to believe in Christianity
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So basically Mohammed started a war because he could not control the Kaaba? Ethically questionable to say the least.
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And your Jesus ordered the execution of women, children and babies in 1 Samuel 15. Ethically questionable to say the least.
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Would kev be in the “finest” range of sausages in the supermarket isle or would he be the out of date value pack in the discount isle?
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