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The first point is wrong- speaking from the cradle is an unhistorical gnostic fable. Ask any historian or Jesus scholar.
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Historians and Jesus scholar say the resurrection never happened either. And they are still questioning even if he died to begin with because there’s no historical evidence. But you don’t take their word on that, huh?
And besides, God knows better than all of them. The true story is simply preserved in the Qur’an.
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Questioning if he died? It’s one of the most solid pieces of historical certainty according to the experts. There is not a single scholar in any university, specialising in antiquities that disputes it. Muhammad was wrong
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You follow the opinions of man rather than the Revelation of God.
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Your whole religion, ie sunnah, is from the traditions of men. Get some perspective
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Paulus, first of all, in what “gnostic” writing is this story mentioned? It is mentioned in the Nativity Gospels, which were popular among “orthodox” Christians.
Second of all, explain how Mary was not stoned to death according to Jewish law for conceiving out of wedlock, or rather burned to death (she was from a priestly family), if such an exonerating miracle did not happen.
If you say they all thought he was the son of Joseph, then what was the point of the virgin birth? It would seem it had been a waste of a miracle. Also explain why he wasn’t called the son of Joseph in the earliest gospel, Mark, and is instead called “the son of Mary” in Mark 6:3, although the norm was patronymics, not matronymics.
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Arguments from silence are fallacious. I could hypothesise a million things but it won’t make it evidence. Besides, Paul likes to moderate comments these days, don’t you Paul?
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Only yours dude – trolls are supervised here.
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Wrong? You weren’t there. Just because it’s recorded in a source you don’t agree with doesn’t mean it didn’t actually happen. Be more accurate and honest – you don’t believe it happened.
Which, I mean… duh.
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Paulus, now you’re just attempting deceit. This is not an argument from silence. We KNOW that Mary conceived out of wedlock (miraculously to us), we KNOW she wasn’t stoned or burned as the Torah requires, the Quran gives a satisfactory explanation through the miracle of the infant Jesus speaking, otherwise no one in his right mind would believe any woman who says she bore him through miraculous virgin birth.
You need to give a satisfactory explanation, or just shut up and stop criticising things beyond your intellectual capacity.
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Ibn Awad,
Your explanation of Jesus speaking from the cradle as being an exonerating miracle makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing that perspective with us.
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Son of Awad.
Take your reasoning and ask yourself this: why wasn’t Mary stoned etc before Jesus allegedly spoke from the cradle? Why did the authorities wait? It’s simply an argument from silence. Besides, the charge would need to be brought forward by the husband, which Joseph did not do. I think you should reread the gospels.
What we do know is that this Koranic story appears in what historians know are fabricated accounts well before Muhammad, and strangely, they have found their way in the eternal speech of Allah.
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Abu- I guess you accept all the fabricated Hadith then? And the earliest biography of Muhammad. And the shi’a literature?
No, scholars can sift the evidence and we know that the koran contains ancient fables. Muhammad was a man of his time, illerats and unlearned and incorporated stories he heard into his book. The Arab tribes wouldn’t have known then, but we sure know better now. Don’t put your head in the sand.
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Astonishing facts from the Qur’an; never do I cease to be pleasantly surprised at the simplicity of the Islamic Eesa (AS) and the extreme convergence between the Qur’anic portrayal of Jesus and the conclusions of the historical scholars. The Non-Trinitarian Eesa of the Qur’an is accepted as the historical Jesus; Prof Anthony Buzzard affirms that the historical Jesus was not a Trinitarian as does Prof Bart Ehrman and mainstream Biblical scholarship. Evangelicals refuse to accept history that contradicts their ”inner faith and witness” whilst demanding Muslims accept the Cruci-FICTION on historical grounds! Will they concede then Jesus did not speak of ”OUSIA” and the ”3 Persons” and ”Hypostatic Union” and the term ”TRINITAS” ? WILL THEY?
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Bart Erhman says the Koran offers nothing regarding the historical Jesus. He says no historical Jesus scholar uses the Koran as historical evidence.
You are confusing theology for history
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Where is the evidence that jesus circled the kaaba, kissed a black stone, threw rocks at stone structures, made the hajj and all the rest of islamic laws? Where did jesus stone adulterers? Where did he call for armies to give ultimatums to cities and destroy them if they refused the unfair terms? Where did jesus call for a racist tax on non-believers? Where did jesus say we should have child brides?
Pray tell…..
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Be mindful of your tense shift there, chief. Lol.
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Kev
Mathew 1:23
New International Version
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
-Where did Mary Jesus mother ever called him Immanuel?
-Why was Jesus called Jesus and not Immanuel?
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
-Where did Jesus ever called God Yahweh?
Jesus called God Allah in Aramaic Alaha, Elah, Illahi-(Arabic) Elahi(Aramaic), Eloh(Hebrew).
Proof: Hebrew eli eli lama azabtani and in Aramaic elahi elahi lema sebaqtani.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elahi
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus said;
“The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; ” Mark 12:29
Tell me Kev, where did Jesus ever said;
-I am three persons one God?
-I am God Almighty and I Jesus alone must be worshiped? Remember Yahweh said He is the only one to be worshiped.
-I am the second person of the Trinity
-I am came to die for the sins of the world
-I am God-Man
-I am 100% God and 100% man?
etc.
Jesus said God is one, Mohammed said God is one, Moses said God is one, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, Noah, Moses, David all said God is one and that is Islam.
Paul of Tarsus said he abolished some things Jesus did not abolish. Why are you surprised if some prophets did not do what there counterparts did? They all submit to one God and that is Islam-submission to one God and not 3 Gods as Trinitarians are submitting to.
Thanks.
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Kev
Yes, Jesus called racist slur to a woman as dog because she was a gentile and not a Jew like him. Have you forgotten?
Jesus said he came with a sword. There is no the word sword in the whole Quran. Jesus ransacked peoples tables and cause a property damage, disorderly conduct, and public disturbance, disobedience etc. that would land him to Jail today.
Just imagine if he was not under the control of the Romans and what he would do. No wonder when he comes he will kill his enemies.
He said it here;
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
New Living Translation
And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king–bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.'”
English Standard Version
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
Thanks.
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Intellect
You haven’t answered my objections. Where did jesus practice these pagan rituals that I have described? Which scholars agree with you that jesus practiced a pagan religion?
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Kev you are wasting your time on this blog. Go troll somewhere else.
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“Second of all, explain how Mary was not stoned to death according to Jewish law for conceiving out of wedlock, or rather burned to death (she was from a priestly family), if such an exonerating miracle did not happen.”
Why the need for a talking baby if Joseph believes the angel and what the angel says is true?
“But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”
Out of wedlock but no adultery has taken place. Therefore no punishment.
A miracle can’t be against the law can it? That would be illogical. It would automatically make God guilty would it not?
Theoretically God would have to be stoned according to your reasoning, as both parties to the claimed crime must be put to death. Except if it was Sharia and the man would get away scot free by repenting or denying that he was involved.
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Did the angels appear to the rest of Jewry?
You fail to see the point, which is: a 12 year old virgin Levite girl BETROTHED but not married to Joseph, (“God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph” Luke 1:26-27); conceived a child out of wedlock.
No sane person would believe her if she said she gave birth even though no man has touched her, not even rape.
Yet again you failed to see another point. An angel had to appear to Joseph in order for him to believe she was innocent, meaning only something supernatural would be sufficient evidence to prove Mary’s innocence. So either an angel had to appear to the rest of Jewry, or the child himself speaks in the cradle exonerating his mother.
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4:159 doesn’t have anything to do with end-times or Dajjal. Just sayin’.
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“Except if it was Sharia and the man would get away scot free by repenting or denying that he was involved.”
Sorry, my mistake. He would be flogged with 100 lashes according to the Koran 24:2 and stoned according to the Hadith.
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Lol it so much more lenient in the Bible. But you ignore that being a secularised western liberal Christian
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According to the bible, a rapist MUST marry his victim:
“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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“for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”
How come the child is conceived by one person A (HG) but another person B is the father (the Father)?
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“According to the bible, a rapist MUST marry his victim:
“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29”
I reply:
Not so because in this case no force is applied by the man and the woman does not cry out in response to this force. In the case of rape one or the other is mentioned in the passage concerned.
Correct translation:
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
No force or screaming in response to this force by the woman in the following verses therefore no rape:
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
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I find it amusing how you selectively quote verses. Also, it is not my translation, I’m using the NIV.
I am not interested in a discussion regarding Jewish law because it is a red herring, I quoted the verse in response of your mocking the Sharia. The topic you fail to answer is how was Mary unpunished when the Bible mentions no exonerating miracle.
I wonder how no force is used when it clearly reads in other translations: “raped”, “overpowered”, “forced”, “seized”. Your KJV translation is an obvious attempt at corrupting scripture.
Here is what Deut 22 simply talks about:
Verse 20-21: Women is not found to be a virgin on the wedding night. Punished by stoning.
Verse 22: Adultery, sex between man and married woman. Both punished by stoning.
Verse 23-24: Consensual sex between man and virgin pledged to be married. Both punished by stoning. The screaming is evidence that she was not raped.
Verse 25-27: Rape of a young woman pledge to be married. Only the man is stoned. Her screaming is evidence of rape.
Verse 28-29: Rape of a virgin not pledged for marriage. Man is punished with a fine. Father gets the money, she gets a life sentence with her rapist. If this is consensual, an explicit punishment would have been due for the girl.
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Correction on Verse 23-24: Her not screaming is evidence of agreement, not rape.
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“Lol it so much more lenient in the Bible. But you ignore that being a secularised western liberal Christian”
So you want to punish first time sex between unmarried or unbetrothed with 100 lashes Paul?
From Sharia with love.
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What’s the punishment in the Bible? Come on don’t throw your Bible under the bus.
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Such a case is not criminalized as Sharia does. Why should it be?
The bible just mandates that God treats them as man and wife from the first act of consensual sex.
After that if they have sex outside their marriage that is adultery. The first time there is no sin.
By the way when will you get your 100 lashes Paul? Or did you get married after your first affair? If you don’t mind a personal question.
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Look Madman, where does the bible teach that an unmarried male and female become married if they sleep together, with no sin attached? Chapter and verse please.
Are you still in Germany Paul? Do you know how I know your personal details?
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In the passage concerned there is no sin of adultery. Neither of the persons involved has covenanted her\himself to another and they are both first timers.
I admit there is probably sin involved but we don’t we get flogged every time we sin do we?
There is a difference between crimes and sins. All crimes are sins but the converse cannot always be true.
So I am left wondering why the sex act between two unattached humans is criminalized by Islam in this way and to this extent?
What is the fundamental difference between the sex act in this situation and that between Adam and Eve?
Is it because it is not a controlled action under the control and arrangement of the duly authorized person under the auspices of Islam?
They have arranged their own marriage ipso facto and thus they must be punished? This is something that Islam cannot tolerate perhaps? Under Sharia those who arrange their own marriages are counted as adulterers are they not? So they must be stoned?
I am not claiming that they have not sinned in any way. They have dishonoured their parents for example.
For example if a shipwreck leaves two survivors stranded on an uninhabited island, one girl and one boy and there is no prospect of them being found for many years, let’s say for arguments sake. Should they flog themselves 100 times if they sleep together?
Quote: “I wonder how no force is used when it clearly reads in other translations: “raped”, “overpowered”, “forced”, “seized”. Your KJV translation is an obvious attempt at corrupting scripture.”
I reply:
No, I think the other translations are corrupting scripture.
Yes, I am still in Germany Paul.
We didn’t visit many Christmas markets last time round.
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Hi
Muslims claim they believe in Jesus can any of actually quote from the koran what Jesus actually taught
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Israel has rejected the faith of idolatry and polytheism from the Gentiles of the Western World. This alone is sufficient that Christianity is wrong hhehehe btw we do agree that the Islamic concept of God is true and pure. Just read Maimondes..
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Hi Avi
can you quote anything from the koran that Jesus taught.
And what does “God is one” mean? please explain how a being that is nothing like his creation is at the same time like his creation?
You mock the trinity as say three gods is what we believe.
Genesis in the beginning is the spirit the angel Gabriel?
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DC,
The core essence of all prophetic teachings, including the core essence of Jesus teachings are contained within the Holy Qur’an.
The Qur’an, like the OT, repeatedly hammers home the concept of God’s Oneness. Christians are forced to play with words and definitions in order to argue otherwise because of the false doctrine of the Trinity. Anyone with basic common sense, and a little logic can see through such weak and false arguments.
Christians only argue that God is like his creation because, again, they are forced into a corner due to the false doctrine of the Trinity.
But we must ask: Why does good NEED to be like his creation? And if he is LIKE his creation, is he then really the Divine God?
The problem is that Muslims and Jews have an Abrahamic understanding of Divinity, while Christians have a Greco-Roman-Paganistic understanding of Divinity. If Christians would just step back inside the “tent of Abraham” on such issues, these type of problems would be alleviated., and we would have much more in common with each other.
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Here is one example of Jesus’ teachings defendchrist:
5:72 ….”O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode”
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Hi Omar
I don’t know about that. Where did Jesus speak about Allah to the Jews? Jesus never used the Allah in the 1st century so you are talking nonsense out of the Koran.
Where did Jesus say that?
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DC,
Jesus spoke Aramaic not KJV English.
He called God “Alah.” in Aramaic.
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Hi Ibn Assam
Are you trying to be clever there were several languages being spoken and none of them were Arabic.
You won’t find Arabic anywhere until hundreds of years later.
Where you find transition between the Nabatean and Arabic and Aramaic was the language of the area.
Jesus was calling God Allah he always said Father.
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“he always said Father’ Really? How do you know
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Hi Paul
and how do you know he didn’t you don’t have the original Injeel so you don’t have any evidence so what you have to do disprove what we have today.
I am still waiting for any Muslim who can tell who told Muhamnad that the angel he met in the cave was Gabriel.
What did Jesus say then he certainly didn’t say Allah.
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Didn’t he say hello, I am Gabriel. Pleased to meet you………..???
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Gabriel was never revealed to Muhamnad because it wasnt Gabriel.
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boring
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Hey Paul
why cant one answer the simple I asked who told Muhammad the angel was called did the angel say that?
You might say its boring but if it isn’t Gabriel who told Muhammad his name then who did?
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still boring
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Actually a pagan can call any one of his gods Allah. That’s all the word means.
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Trinitarians call any one of their 3 Gods i.e. Jesus a man as Allah. Have you forgotten that?
When you open the Bible you will find Allah is referred to as God. Trinitarians, just like the pagans call one of their 3 in one Gods Allah which can be found in Arabic Bible. Trinitarianism unlike their Unitarian Christians counterparts sounds exactly as paganism.
Thanks
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Madmanna,
You should consider actually learning a thing or two about Arabic. “Allāh” is not equivalent to “god” in English.
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Defendchrist
April 28, 2017 • 4:45 pm
Hi Omar
I don’t know about that. Where did Jesus speak about Allah to the Jews? Jesus never used the Allah in the 1st century so you are talking nonsense out of the Koran.
Where did Jesus say that?
I say;
In the Bible, Jesus called his God Alah
Proof:
Jesus did not say My Father, why have you forsaken me but Jesus in his Aramaic language said
My Alah, why have you forsaken me. Jesus spoke Aramaic and not Hebrew or Greek. Remember. Jesus clearly used Allah as his God.
Matthew 27:46
Around the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, saying “Eli Eli lama sabachthani?” which is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, “Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elahi
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madmanna
April 29, 2017 • 12:39 pm
“Trinitarians, just like the pagans call one of their 3 in one Gods”
Three what in one what? What are you talking about? Can you define your terms please?
I say;
Just like any pagan gods like Mormons who believed God can become persons, Rastafarians, Hindus and Trinitarians who believe God can become whatever he wants to, to love them and therefore a man and they worship man as God.
Christian Trinitarians will say 3 persons 1 God-Jesus, Rastafarians will say 3 persons 1 God-Haile Selaissie, Hindus-Sai Baba, Mormons, Joseph Smith and other persons as gods etc.
The Bible said Christian Trinitarians are wrong by this verses.
“The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; ” Mark 12:29
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
“For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5
“Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.” Isaiah 45:14
“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
madmanna, Yahweh said He is alone and none else. He never ever said He is “3 persons, 1 God”. You are putting your false words in the mouth of Yahweh. If you do not repent and become a Muslim, and die with this false believe of “3 persons 1 God”, you know it. Hell fire will be waiting for you.
Read the second commandment carefully and become a Muslim today; I will help in your sahada on bloggintheology
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EXODUS 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
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madmanna, do you understand “or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth, you shall not bow down to them or serve them.?
Jesus is a likeness, image, and he is something on earth. Jesus according to the second commandment is not God and must not be worshiped, if you read the second commandment and accept the Bible.
Thanks.
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“Trinitarians, just like the pagans call one of their 3 in one Gods”
Three what in one what? What are you talking about? Can you define your terms please?
“Trinitarians call any one of their 3 Gods”
the bible declares one God. three persons are one and the same God, according to the bible.
thanks.
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why does everyone end comments with ‘thanks’?
Thanks
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madmanna
Where does the Bible declared “3 persons 1 God”? If you are not able to tell me or show me where the Bible clearly said “3 persons 1 God”, then you are worshiping a false God.
Why?
Because the Bible said God is a jealous God and He declares Himself clearly as follows
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
If it is true the Bible declare “3 persons 1 God”, why is one person saying He is the only true God? and He is One and Only. He said He alone must be worshiped and didn’t say “3 persons 1 God” and “3 persons one God” cannot be found in the whole Bible, but “God is One” which is Islamic theology is found all over the Bible.
Proof
“You alone [bad], Lord, is God.” Isaiah 37:20
madmanna, don’t you understand “You alone”? Where are the other 2 persons of Trinity?
Thanks is a sign of respect to the readers of my comment, like in emails, twitter, etc.
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Good question.
thanks.
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madmanna
April 29, 2017 • 12:39 pm
“Trinitarians, just like the pagans call one of their 3 in one Gods”
Three what in one what? What are you talking about? Can you define your terms please?
I say;
Just like any pagan gods like Mormons who believed God can become persons, Rastafarians, Hindus and Trinitarians who believe God can become whatever he wants to, to love them and therefore a man and they worship man as God.
Christian Trinitarians will say 3 persons 1 God-Jesus, Rastafarians will say 3 persons 1 God-Haile Selaissie, Hindus-Sai Baba, Mormons, Joseph Smith and other persons as gods etc.
The Bible said Christian Trinitarians are wrong by this verses.
“The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; ” Mark 12:29
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
“For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5
“Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.” Isaiah 45:14
“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
madmanna, Yahweh said He is alone and none else. He never ever said He is “3 persons, 1 God”. You are putting your false words in the mouth of Yahweh. If you do not repent and become a Muslim, and die with this false believe of “3 persons 1 God”, you know it. Hell fire will be waiting for you.
Read the second commandment carefully and become a Muslim today; I will help in your sahada on bloggintheology
—————-
EXODUS 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
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madmanna, do you understand “or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth, you shall not bow down to them or serve them.?
Jesus is a likeness, image, and he is something on earth. Jesus according to the second commandment is not God and must not be worshiped, if you read the second commandment and accept the Bible.
Thanks.
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