Bashing? Slight hyperbole. I merely noted the parallel reasoning between your post here and an argument you have personally used. It shares the same fallacious basis- an argument from silence.
“if Jesus wanted people to know he was actually God, that is something he would have to state.”
“For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
““For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.””
Oh Lassie…you poor, poor man.
John 5:18 was referring to the Jews’ interpretation. Where did Jesus himself say that he was God or that he was equal to God?
In fact, further down, Jesus is quoted as saying:
“Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself.”
How can “God” not do anything?
You are stuck in an endless loop of circular logic. Such is the folly of Christianity.
Didn’t take long for a Muslim to make my exact point for me. Since Jesus didn’t say anything about pedophile manchild relationships I guess you support them too?
LOL, Lassie! You’re the one who brought it up. You appealed to John 5, but only ended up misquoting it. The Jews misinterpreted Jesus and then you misinterpreted the text! What a mook!
Hey Lassie…Canaanite children? Killing them? Right or wrong? 😉
Red herring. Argument from silence. Battle lost pork chop.
Porky 🐷 loves irrationality. Perhaps it is heightened by the month of gluttony beginning? Who knows. But it’s always satisfying when Muslims protest your point only to demonstrate it within the space of a few comments.
Lol, oh Lassie, you’ve been schooled on this before. Your pathetic mistranslation of the Quran will not save your pagan religion from being exposed as the joke it is. Holy Spirit fail!
To repeat again for you Lassie…
Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?
Why did your mangod pray to God? And why couldn’t he do anything of his own accord?
Answer the question, you mangy mutt. Don’t try to deflect. It only humiliates you more! Hahahaha!
can you explain why god in his human nature would trust and worship himself (the non-human part) when feelings of trust and worship cannot be shared with the non-human part?
“John 5:18 was referring to the Jews’ interpretation. Where did Jesus himself say that he was God or that he was equal to God?
In fact, further down, Jesus is quoted as saying:
“Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself.”
How can “God” not do anything?
You are stuck in an endless loop of circular logic. Such is the folly of Christianity.”
John 5 v 18 is giving the writer’s viewpoint, as well as the Jews, i.e. one who claims to be the Son of God makes himself equal to God.
Thus the scripture endorses the Jews and the correctness of their belief.
The Son can don nothing of himself does not refer to his power but to the union of his will with the Father.
In John 10 Jesus challenges the Jews to remove the charge of blasphemy by believing it’s opposite, i.e. that he is equal to God, NOT by believing that he is a mere man:
He challenged them to believe that he was God and not that he was usurping the place of God:
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
John 10 refers to him being “son of God” which is used many times in the Tanakh to refer to righteous men. It does not carry any divine status.
The author’s interpretation is meaningless because he was obviously not “inspired” and given the importance of establishing Jesus’ alleged divinitt, you would think Jesus himself would have been a little more emphatic. Instead, all we get are garbled and ambiguous verses which Christians frantically try to interpret as making Jesus divine. It is surprising that even with the fake gospel of John, you guys cannot provide any definitive verse establishing his so-called divinity.
but he using a greek word which seem to be referring to ability
“not he was able to do….”
when people have no faith, jesus has not the power to perform any miracles, yet the jews says that yhwh at sainai was performing miracles even when people lacked faith.
so we already see contrast
jesus clearly says that he does not have power to do miracles because…
quote :
Original Word: δύναμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dunamai
Phonetic Spelling: (doo’-nam-ahee)
Short Definition: I am powerful, am able
Definition: (a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.
he is saying that he does not have the power to do….
why would he use the same greek word ? he does not have inward and outward ability.
thanks madman .
can you explain that when god became “fully man” “in his person”
why did he do this when he as “fully man” could not share the experience and feelings with the “fully divine person”
?
that is a confusion. how did the world of meat interact with the world of spirit?
“The Son can don nothing of himself does not refer to his power but to the union of his will with the Father.”
but the father “on his own” can do everything. please don’t insult peoples intelligent. even john knew that the father did not need jesus to do anything, jesus was redundant in fathers ability.
Sadly this argument isn’t actually satire. I’ve seen enough examples, from this very site alone, of people who genuinely think same-sex relationships can be lumped into the same boat as pedophilia, bestiality, etc.
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Ironically, Muslims rely upon the same logic when they ask, “where did Jesus ever say, I am God, worship me”
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Lol Lassie! Always deflecting to Islam and Muslims eh?
It’s not even a matter of whether Jesus said to worship him. We know that Jesus worshiped God. Therefore, he cannot be God. Get it?
So Lassie, was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong? 😉
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Good to see you got in a bit of Islam bashing on a entirely unrelated post. Do you suffer from OCD?
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Bashing? Slight hyperbole. I merely noted the parallel reasoning between your post here and an argument you have personally used. It shares the same fallacious basis- an argument from silence.
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The prohibition on bestiality was well-known as being prohibited for the Jews. There is no reason to expect Jesus to repeat something well-known.
On the other hand if Jesus wanted people to know he was actually God, that is something he would have to state.
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Nice points brother Fawaz.
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“if Jesus wanted people to know he was actually God, that is something he would have to state.”
“For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
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““For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.””
Oh Lassie…you poor, poor man.
John 5:18 was referring to the Jews’ interpretation. Where did Jesus himself say that he was God or that he was equal to God?
In fact, further down, Jesus is quoted as saying:
“Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself.”
How can “God” not do anything?
You are stuck in an endless loop of circular logic. Such is the folly of Christianity.
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“Where did Jesus himself say that he was God”
Didn’t take long for a Muslim to make my exact point for me. Since Jesus didn’t say anything about pedophile manchild relationships I guess you support them too?
Thanks Porky 🐷
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LOL, Lassie! You’re the one who brought it up. You appealed to John 5, but only ended up misquoting it. The Jews misinterpreted Jesus and then you misinterpreted the text! What a mook!
Hey Lassie…Canaanite children? Killing them? Right or wrong? 😉
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Red herring. Argument from silence. Battle lost pork chop.
Porky 🐷 loves irrationality. Perhaps it is heightened by the month of gluttony beginning? Who knows. But it’s always satisfying when Muslims protest your point only to demonstrate it within the space of a few comments.
Cheerio 🥓 <— that's some bacon for you
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Lol, Lassie running away again? Here boy, come…
Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?
Why did your mangod pray to God? And why couldn’t he do anything of his own accord?
Speak boy, speak!
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Jesus praying to the Father is consistent with a trinitarian worldview.
Allah praying to ??? Is inconsistent with a Unitarian worldview
Qur’an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!
Another swine fail from Porky the 🐷
And spare us the nonsense about this being some type of blessing- no one buys that childish apologetics Porky
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Lol, oh Lassie, you’ve been schooled on this before. Your pathetic mistranslation of the Quran will not save your pagan religion from being exposed as the joke it is. Holy Spirit fail!
To repeat again for you Lassie…
Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?
Why did your mangod pray to God? And why couldn’t he do anything of his own accord?
Answer the question, you mangy mutt. Don’t try to deflect. It only humiliates you more! Hahahaha!
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“It’s not even a matter of whether Jesus said to worship him. We know that Jesus worshiped God. Therefore, he cannot be God. Get it?”
Don’t agree. You haven’t proven the incompatability, you have just asserted it.
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Lol, so worshiping God does not make it “incompatible”? Christian logic strikes again’
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Good point madmanna. The incompatibility is rooted in a strawman anyway, so it’s a double fail.
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The Messiah worshipping God included fearing Him.
Why would God fear God?
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can you explain why god in his human nature would trust and worship himself (the non-human part) when feelings of trust and worship cannot be shared with the non-human part?
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Lassie, isn’t the killing of Canaanite incompatible with the belief in a just and loving mangod? ; )
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“John 5:18 was referring to the Jews’ interpretation. Where did Jesus himself say that he was God or that he was equal to God?
In fact, further down, Jesus is quoted as saying:
“Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself.”
How can “God” not do anything?
You are stuck in an endless loop of circular logic. Such is the folly of Christianity.”
John 5 v 18 is giving the writer’s viewpoint, as well as the Jews, i.e. one who claims to be the Son of God makes himself equal to God.
Thus the scripture endorses the Jews and the correctness of their belief.
The Son can don nothing of himself does not refer to his power but to the union of his will with the Father.
In John 10 Jesus challenges the Jews to remove the charge of blasphemy by believing it’s opposite, i.e. that he is equal to God, NOT by believing that he is a mere man:
He challenged them to believe that he was God and not that he was usurping the place of God:
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
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Lol, you guys are a joke!
John 10 refers to him being “son of God” which is used many times in the Tanakh to refer to righteous men. It does not carry any divine status.
The author’s interpretation is meaningless because he was obviously not “inspired” and given the importance of establishing Jesus’ alleged divinitt, you would think Jesus himself would have been a little more emphatic. Instead, all we get are garbled and ambiguous verses which Christians frantically try to interpret as making Jesus divine. It is surprising that even with the fake gospel of John, you guys cannot provide any definitive verse establishing his so-called divinity.
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but he using a greek word which seem to be referring to ability
“not he was able to do….”
when people have no faith, jesus has not the power to perform any miracles, yet the jews says that yhwh at sainai was performing miracles even when people lacked faith.
so we already see contrast
jesus clearly says that he does not have power to do miracles because…
quote :
Original Word: δύναμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dunamai
Phonetic Spelling: (doo’-nam-ahee)
Short Definition: I am powerful, am able
Definition: (a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.
he is saying that he does not have the power to do….
why would he use the same greek word ? he does not have inward and outward ability.
thanks madman .
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in both mark and john it mentions
dunamai
http://biblehub.com/greek/dunamai_1410.htm
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can you explain that when god became “fully man” “in his person”
why did he do this when he as “fully man” could not share the experience and feelings with the “fully divine person”
?
that is a confusion. how did the world of meat interact with the world of spirit?
do you see what i mean?
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“The Son can don nothing of himself does not refer to his power but to the union of his will with the Father.”
but the father “on his own” can do everything. please don’t insult peoples intelligent. even john knew that the father did not need jesus to do anything, jesus was redundant in fathers ability.
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Sadly this argument isn’t actually satire. I’ve seen enough examples, from this very site alone, of people who genuinely think same-sex relationships can be lumped into the same boat as pedophilia, bestiality, etc.
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