This is a very interesting and telling video from Hyde Park, this past Sunday. Br. Paul Williams engaged Lizzie Schofield of anti-hijab, halala disaster “fame“.
Quite the interest video to say the very least. Br. Yahya Snow has written a review of Lizzie’s harrowing debate tactics, which mostly consist of cutting off her opponents from speaking.
and God knows best.
Categories: Christian extremism, Debates, Islam
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where is Adnan’s video?
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She interrupted Paul too much, etc. – agreed;
but I never saw “hate” there. It is not fair to call everyone who questions and/or criticizes Islam as “hateful” or “Islamophobic” etc,
They are asking questions about all the texts in the Qur’an and Hadith that motivate Muslim terrorists – SOME Muslims – to do things like the Manchester suicide bombing and killing 22 and maiming some 59 others, etc.
To try and deflect away from that issue to 1 Sam. 15 does not seem sincere; since that is OT Theocratic Israel, and OT Theocratic Israel ceased to exist in 70 AD and was God’s judgment on Israel and the temple – Matthew 21:33-46; Matthew 23:36-39; 24:1-3; 15, etc.
No one has the right to do what Joshua did in book of Joshua or Deut. 7 or 9 or against the Amalakites in 1 Sam. 15 ever again. No human or nation can do that (after 70 AD). (except for God in His final judgment; God’s justice at the second coming and final judgment, which Muslims also believe in.)
Just war principles were developed from Augustine onward – 400 AD – those same principles that Adnan and Paul were summarizing from Hadith (don’t kill civilians, women, children, etc.) those are actually older than Islam and they were the Christian Just War principles, before Islam.
But there is those Sahih Hadith that says “they are of them” and the Islamic terrorists (some Muslims) use that as justification for their evil deeds.
Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Hadith Number 4321.
It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.”
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quote :
When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you . . . and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them . . . and show no mercy to them. . . . And you shall destroy all the peoples that the LORD your God will give over to you, your eye shall not pity them. . . .
when a jew in israel reads these verses , where does he find in the text that these instructions had a sell by date?
when a jew prays to his god, “your kingdom come, your will be done here on earth…”
what does it mean “your will be done…”
jesus is singing this in a time where there was no gospels.
you said “no human can do that”
if within israel there are people prostituting their hearts to human gods, why can’t the jews living in israel do that?
jesus made exceptions to his rules which he stole from the rabbis . he went into the temple and broke torah mandated instructions. using jewish rule, jesus should have been stoned for stopping torah mandated practices in the temple.
jews pick up stones to stone jesus for his blasphemies. where do you get the idea “no human can do that” ?
christians did do that using the torah and new testament.
because they saw no sell by date.
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The Ruling on Fighting Enemy Warriors Intermixed With Women and Children
There are certain hadith that appear to show that the Prophet peace be upon him made some exceptions…
Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.”
Saheeh Muslim
Book 019, Hadith Number 4321.
Chapter : Permissibility of killing women and children in the night raids, provided it is not deliberate.
It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.
There are many possible meanings for these hadith. First of all we don’t know the exact situation or what the Prophet (peace be upon him) truly meant. Maybe those particular women and children were planning to fight against the Muslims with the enemy.
Maybe the Muslim army just could not have blown this chance to attack the enemy that they still had to attack them at no matter what cost in order to stop the risk of more blood shed (do a little bad for the greater good). This is unlikely but possible.
The very fact that the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked his permission shows that the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to be strict regarding his prohibition on the killing of women and children. If the Muslims were in the habit of killing women and children they wouldn’t have asked for the Prophet’s opinion. However, when a situation arises and there is no choice, things could get ugly.
Also notice that the companions did not ask the Prophet peace be upon whether they could deliberately target the women and children. They merely mentioned that the women and children will be exposed to danger when they were attacking the men warriors.
Imam Ibn Hajar Al Asaqalani says in his commentary on Saheeh Bukhari that the point is not to target the women and children intentionally but if there is absolutely no other way to kill the enemy than by injuring the women and children because they are mixed with the men then there is no other choice. (Read Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani’s Fathul Bari, Kitab: Al Jihad wal Sayr, Bab: Ahlul Daar Yabeetoon Fa Yusaab Al Waldaan wal Zharaari, Commentary on Hadith no. 2790, Source)
He also said that another possibility is that the hadith has been abrogated and that even if women and children accompany the enemy during war then they still should not be killed. (ibid.) That’s why its possible that the Prophet (peace be upon him) after this incident decided to stop attacking the enemy at night but during the day so that he can see who he is fighting clearly…
Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 005, Book 059, Hadith Number 510.
Narated By Anas : Allah’s Apostle reached Khaibar at night and it was his habit that, whenever he reached the enemy at night, he will not attack them till it was morning. When it was morning, the Jews came out with their spades and baskets, and when they saw him(i.e. the Prophet), they said, “Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!” The Prophet said, “Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.”.
Saheeh Muslim
Book 004, Hadith Number 0745.
Chapter : There can be two pronouncers of Adhan for one mosque.
Anas b. Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to attack the enemy when it was dawn. He would listen to the Adhan; so if he heard an Adhan, he stopped, otherwise made an attack. Once on hearing a man say: Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) remarked: He is following al-Fitra (al-Islam). Then hearing him say: I testify that there is no god but Allah. there is no god but Allah, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: You have come out of the Fire (of Hell). They looked at him and found that he was a goatherd.
Imam Nawawi says in his commentary on Saheeh Muslim that women and children are only killed if they cannot be distinguished. But because it was so dark and they could not be distinguished, the Muslims had no choice. (Read Imam Nawawi’s Sharh Saheeh Muslim, Kitab: Al Jihad wal Sayr, Bab: Jawaz Qatl Al Nisaa’ wal Sabyaan fi Al Biyaat Min Ghayr Ta’amud, Commentary on Hadith no. 3281, Source)
The commentary of Sunan Abu Dawud by Muhammad Shams al-Haqq al-Adhim Abadi says the same thing. (Read Muhammad Shams al-Haqq al-Adhim Abadi’s Awn al-Mabud Sharh Sunan Abu Dawud, Kitab: Al Jihad, Bab: Fi Qatl Al Nisaa’, Commentary on Hadith no. 2298, Source)
Deliberate targeted killing of women and children is sanctioned by the Biblical God
If Muslims ever get any trouble from a Christian that says Islam advocates for the killing of innocent women and children then give him a taste of his own Bible…
1 Samuel 15:2,3
2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”
Numbers 31:17,18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 20:16
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Here we see the Biblical God calling for the deliberate targeted killing of women and children. You will never find such a thing in Islamic teachings.
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_prophet_prohibited_the_killing_of_women_and_children__but_what_about_those_night_raids_
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Part 1 of Richard Zetter (I think) and Adnan Rashid
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why didn’t you cnp video 2 and 3 ?
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I hope to find time to listen to all of them in order.
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