‘The Trinitarian Jesus’- and so conceding that the Jesus named mortal personage of a persons barren (Unitarian) Islam cannot be one and the same as the infinite richness of the intra and inter personal so constituted entity of Christian logical knowing-and after having been so self convincing mis-thought to be so simply because of the sound of an accident of a name-and inexorablly:as with Jesus so with Allah.
Moses migrated from Egypt and returned after 10 years . Muhammad also migrated from Makkah to Medina and returned after 10 years. Moses grew with no parents. Muhammad also. Moses met Allah. Muhammad also ( Israel & miaraj) . Both received revelation at 40 years old. Both had laws from God to their people. But Muhammad’s message is for all mankind.
The fallacy of arguing that someone can be beaten within an inch of their lives and then get back to work in one or two days.
Shows that these people are not capable of arguing fairly with the text of the bible.
Mozer, why do you never defend the integrity of the law of Moses on this blog?
Mohammed killed Meccans who were peacefully trading with their caravans and forced them in to a war against him. So he was the one who needed to be forgiven by God and the Meccans.
The parable of killing on earth is symbolical of what will happen on the day of judgement. Jesus will judge and punish the wicked. There’s nothing inconsistent about this.
“Mohammed killed Meccans who were peacefully trading with their caravans and forced them in to a war against him”
your pagan and pathetic jewish god KILLED jews for not believing that he is a DYING god
jews grew up all their life thinking god NEVER dies
yet your god wishes doom and destruction on these innocent people
quote :
Matthew 22. Verse 7 says, “The king was enraged. He sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city
Yes. It appears that the author of Matthew here has retrojected their understanding of why Jerusalem fell.
The NET Bible notes has:
The prophetic reference is to the city of Jerusalem
You said;
The parable of killing on earth is symbolical of what will happen on the day of judgement. Jesus will judge and punish the wicked. There’s nothing inconsistent about this.
I say;
Why have a problem with someone who judges and punish the wicked on earth? whey you believe in judging and punishing on earth? Double standards and ignorance.
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
Erasmus. Who will be stupid enough on the day of judgement to say he does not want God to rule him or to be king over him? On the day of judgement everyone knows who God is and will dare not say he does not want God to be king over him.
The above is a command to allow Christians to brutalize those who will not follow a particular Christian belief, like John Calvin burnt Michael Sventus.
Do you know Christianity than Calvin and his Christians who burnt Michael?
“But when there comes the Deafening Blast – that Day a man will flee from his brother, and his mother and his father, and his wife and his children. For each one of them that Day will have enough preoccupations of his own. Some faces, that Day, will be bright – laughing, rejoicing at good news. And other faces, that Day, will have upon them dust. Blackness will cover them. Those are the disbelievers, the wicked ones.” (Quran 80: 33-42)
Erasmus, that day is forgone conclusion. No one can dare say he will not want God be be king over him. You see the wisdom of the Quran above?
On that day no one is God’s enemy because anyone will realize his mistake, arrogance and wickedness and pleading for forgiveness. God punishes the arrogant.
You said Jesus loves everyone, but the “killing of his enemies” proves otherwise. In the day of judgement we are resurrected for judgement and there is no killing.
Jesus as God of the Trinitarians killed children, livestock, destroy tables and called people dogs and will come back to kill his enemies. You are not worried about all these but just to be worried about Islam.
The verse at the end is in the past tense talking about those who revolted during the time of his absence and BEFORE his return. These people are not judged UNTIL he returns, this is clear from the parable.
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
When the ruler returns they don’t get a second chance to give their allegiance to him. So the following remarks are both a non-sequitur as you are missing the point of the parable:
“Erasmus, that day is forgone conclusion. No one can dare say he will not want God be be king over him. You see the wisdom of the Quran above?”
“Erasmus. Who will be stupid enough on the day of judgement to say he does not want God to rule him or to be king over him? On the day of judgement everyone knows who God is and will dare not say he does not want God to be king over him.”
A parable is not to be taken literally with a real sword and a real attack by Jesus etc. etc. Just like the servants and the pounds are not actual servants and real money. Try and be reasonable and interpret the parable in its entirety.
You said: “I say;
Why have a problem with someone who judges and punish the wicked on earth? whey you believe in judging and punishing on earth? Double standards and ignorance.”
Does the parable address this or did I say anything about this?
The parable says nothing about where the last judgement will be located. Off the top of my head I don’t believe that it will take place on earth myself. I am not a big student of prophecy although in my younger days I was in to pre-millennialism.
Calvin was wrong measured by the scriptures. That’s all that matters.
A question for you, is God judging and punishing on earth right now? If so, how, and was he doing this before now, if so, how?
After readings the quotes below, tell me why your god who gave command to SLAY unborn, could not use “sword” to REPRESENT VIOLENCE in other ways?
For example:
Another reason is equally circular, namely , that jesus is recorded to have preached ‘unqualified love’ elsewhere. but how did the fellows determine that it is the loving jesus that is authentic rather than the more violent one? if this saying is so starkly contraposed to the love sayings, then why does the redactor not see that? denying that jesus uttered this logion because it alludes to MIC 7.5-6 is also circular. given that QUOTING, or ALLUDING to, the HEBREW BIBLE was common in jewish exegesis of the time, how did the fellows determine that jesus could not allude to that passage?
However, perhaps the most common strategy is to misread jesus’ purpose clause, (‘for i have come to set a man against his father…’) as a result clause, which is not what the grammar of jesus’ language indicates at all. the relevant clauses in mt. 10 .34-35 are PURPOSE clauses, as indicated by the infinitives, in the greek expression…
‘ do not think that i have come to bring peace on earth; i have not come to bring peace, but a sword. for i have come to set a man against his father….’
As daniel wallace notes purpose clauses can be expressed by a [s]imple or “naked” infinite (usually following an [intransitive] verb of motion . A close parallel to the use of the infinitive in mt. 10:34 is found in mt 5.17
‘think not that i have come to abolish the law and the prophets; i have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them’
jesus did not say that his mission would simply result in family strife. jesus is saying that a primary PURPOSE of his mission is to create violence within families, and the mention of sword is consistent with that violent intent
the bad jesus
page 93-94
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“Jesus provided just the controversy need to substantiate the Pharisees’ position. Look what happened to him! By the time of his death, he had no followers, a mob had just chanted to kill him, and his religion was effectively wiped out. Pharisees proven again to be correct that violating YHWH’s laws only brings condemnation.”
“(diamerizo), which means divide, distribute, create disunity, and in context, where the word is explicitly contrasted with peace (eirene), and the word epi + accusative (“against”) follows, the meaning is obviously intrafamily war. ”
jesus said that he came to “diamerizo”
here is micha 7:5-6
Do not trust a neighbor;
put no confidence in a friend.
Even with the woman who lies in your embrace
guard the words of your lips.
6 For a son dishonors his father,
a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies are the members of his own household.
7
i have come to set a man AGAINST his father = PURPOSE
“You said Jesus loves everyone, but the “killing of his enemies” proves otherwise. In the day of judgement we are resurrected for judgement and there is no killing.
Jesus as God of the Trinitarians killed children, livestock, destroy tables and called people dogs and will come back to kill his enemies. You are not worried about all these but just to be worried about Islam.”
Actually I don’t remember saying that Jesus loves everyone. If this means that Jesus loves everyone equally and in the same way I don’t actually believe that and he never said that to my knowledge, neither does the bible say this to my knowledge. The closest to this would be John 3 v 16 which talks about God’s love for the world as a unified entity, but not in personal terms.
I agree that Jesus co-ordered, for want of a better word, the killings involved in the judgements. I would say these killings were unique in their context but I would also say that they are being continuously repeated down through history in different forms, different contexts (non theocratical, for the purpose of preparing Israel to be the dwelling place of God) and of course different people. But other than that not essentially different in nature and purpose.
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‘The Trinitarian Jesus’- and so conceding that the Jesus named mortal personage of a persons barren (Unitarian) Islam cannot be one and the same as the infinite richness of the intra and inter personal so constituted entity of Christian logical knowing-and after having been so self convincing mis-thought to be so simply because of the sound of an accident of a name-and inexorablly:as with Jesus so with Allah.
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Moses migrated from Egypt and returned after 10 years . Muhammad also migrated from Makkah to Medina and returned after 10 years. Moses grew with no parents. Muhammad also. Moses met Allah. Muhammad also ( Israel & miaraj) . Both received revelation at 40 years old. Both had laws from God to their people. But Muhammad’s message is for all mankind.
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The fallacy of arguing that someone can be beaten within an inch of their lives and then get back to work in one or two days.
Shows that these people are not capable of arguing fairly with the text of the bible.
Mozer, why do you never defend the integrity of the law of Moses on this blog?
Mohammed killed Meccans who were peacefully trading with their caravans and forced them in to a war against him. So he was the one who needed to be forgiven by God and the Meccans.
The parable of killing on earth is symbolical of what will happen on the day of judgement. Jesus will judge and punish the wicked. There’s nothing inconsistent about this.
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“Jesus will judge and punish the wicked.”
Evangelicals keep telling me “God loves the sinner, He only hates sin”
“There’s nothing inconsistent about this.” Lol.
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“these people are not capable of arguing fairly with the text of the bible.” lol.
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“Mohammed killed Meccans who were peacefully trading with their caravans and forced them in to a war against him”
your pagan and pathetic jewish god KILLED jews for not believing that he is a DYING god
jews grew up all their life thinking god NEVER dies
yet your god wishes doom and destruction on these innocent people
quote :
Matthew 22. Verse 7 says, “The king was enraged. He sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city
Yes. It appears that the author of Matthew here has retrojected their understanding of why Jerusalem fell.
The NET Bible notes has:
The prophetic reference is to the city of Jerusalem
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Erasmus
You said;
The parable of killing on earth is symbolical of what will happen on the day of judgement. Jesus will judge and punish the wicked. There’s nothing inconsistent about this.
I say;
Why have a problem with someone who judges and punish the wicked on earth? whey you believe in judging and punishing on earth? Double standards and ignorance.
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Erasmus
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
Erasmus. Who will be stupid enough on the day of judgement to say he does not want God to rule him or to be king over him? On the day of judgement everyone knows who God is and will dare not say he does not want God to be king over him.
The above is a command to allow Christians to brutalize those who will not follow a particular Christian belief, like John Calvin burnt Michael Sventus.
Do you know Christianity than Calvin and his Christians who burnt Michael?
Thanks.
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Erasmus
“But when there comes the Deafening Blast – that Day a man will flee from his brother, and his mother and his father, and his wife and his children. For each one of them that Day will have enough preoccupations of his own. Some faces, that Day, will be bright – laughing, rejoicing at good news. And other faces, that Day, will have upon them dust. Blackness will cover them. Those are the disbelievers, the wicked ones.” (Quran 80: 33-42)
Erasmus, that day is forgone conclusion. No one can dare say he will not want God be be king over him. You see the wisdom of the Quran above?
On that day no one is God’s enemy because anyone will realize his mistake, arrogance and wickedness and pleading for forgiveness. God punishes the arrogant.
You said Jesus loves everyone, but the “killing of his enemies” proves otherwise. In the day of judgement we are resurrected for judgement and there is no killing.
Jesus as God of the Trinitarians killed children, livestock, destroy tables and called people dogs and will come back to kill his enemies. You are not worried about all these but just to be worried about Islam.
Thanks.
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@Think,
The verse at the end is in the past tense talking about those who revolted during the time of his absence and BEFORE his return. These people are not judged UNTIL he returns, this is clear from the parable.
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
When the ruler returns they don’t get a second chance to give their allegiance to him. So the following remarks are both a non-sequitur as you are missing the point of the parable:
“Erasmus, that day is forgone conclusion. No one can dare say he will not want God be be king over him. You see the wisdom of the Quran above?”
“Erasmus. Who will be stupid enough on the day of judgement to say he does not want God to rule him or to be king over him? On the day of judgement everyone knows who God is and will dare not say he does not want God to be king over him.”
A parable is not to be taken literally with a real sword and a real attack by Jesus etc. etc. Just like the servants and the pounds are not actual servants and real money. Try and be reasonable and interpret the parable in its entirety.
You said: “I say;
Why have a problem with someone who judges and punish the wicked on earth? whey you believe in judging and punishing on earth? Double standards and ignorance.”
Does the parable address this or did I say anything about this?
The parable says nothing about where the last judgement will be located. Off the top of my head I don’t believe that it will take place on earth myself. I am not a big student of prophecy although in my younger days I was in to pre-millennialism.
Calvin was wrong measured by the scriptures. That’s all that matters.
A question for you, is God judging and punishing on earth right now? If so, how, and was he doing this before now, if so, how?
God bless.
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After readings the quotes below, tell me why your god who gave command to SLAY unborn, could not use “sword” to REPRESENT VIOLENCE in other ways?
For example:
Another reason is equally circular, namely , that jesus is recorded to have preached ‘unqualified love’ elsewhere. but how did the fellows determine that it is the loving jesus that is authentic rather than the more violent one? if this saying is so starkly contraposed to the love sayings, then why does the redactor not see that? denying that jesus uttered this logion because it alludes to MIC 7.5-6 is also circular. given that QUOTING, or ALLUDING to, the HEBREW BIBLE was common in jewish exegesis of the time, how did the fellows determine that jesus could not allude to that passage?
However, perhaps the most common strategy is to misread jesus’ purpose clause, (‘for i have come to set a man against his father…’) as a result clause, which is not what the grammar of jesus’ language indicates at all. the relevant clauses in mt. 10 .34-35 are PURPOSE clauses, as indicated by the infinitives, in the greek expression…
‘ do not think that i have come to bring peace on earth; i have not come to bring peace, but a sword. for i have come to set a man against his father….’
As daniel wallace notes purpose clauses can be expressed by a [s]imple or “naked” infinite (usually following an [intransitive] verb of motion . A close parallel to the use of the infinitive in mt. 10:34 is found in mt 5.17
‘think not that i have come to abolish the law and the prophets; i have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them’
jesus did not say that his mission would simply result in family strife. jesus is saying that a primary PURPOSE of his mission is to create violence within families, and the mention of sword is consistent with that violent intent
the bad jesus
page 93-94
::::::::
“Jesus provided just the controversy need to substantiate the Pharisees’ position. Look what happened to him! By the time of his death, he had no followers, a mob had just chanted to kill him, and his religion was effectively wiped out. Pharisees proven again to be correct that violating YHWH’s laws only brings condemnation.”
“(diamerizo), which means divide, distribute, create disunity, and in context, where the word is explicitly contrasted with peace (eirene), and the word epi + accusative (“against”) follows, the meaning is obviously intrafamily war. ”
jesus said that he came to “diamerizo”
here is micha 7:5-6
Do not trust a neighbor;
put no confidence in a friend.
Even with the woman who lies in your embrace
guard the words of your lips.
6 For a son dishonors his father,
a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies are the members of his own household.
7
i have come to set a man AGAINST his father = PURPOSE
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@ think, who said:
“You said Jesus loves everyone, but the “killing of his enemies” proves otherwise. In the day of judgement we are resurrected for judgement and there is no killing.
Jesus as God of the Trinitarians killed children, livestock, destroy tables and called people dogs and will come back to kill his enemies. You are not worried about all these but just to be worried about Islam.”
Actually I don’t remember saying that Jesus loves everyone. If this means that Jesus loves everyone equally and in the same way I don’t actually believe that and he never said that to my knowledge, neither does the bible say this to my knowledge. The closest to this would be John 3 v 16 which talks about God’s love for the world as a unified entity, but not in personal terms.
I agree that Jesus co-ordered, for want of a better word, the killings involved in the judgements. I would say these killings were unique in their context but I would also say that they are being continuously repeated down through history in different forms, different contexts (non theocratical, for the purpose of preparing Israel to be the dwelling place of God) and of course different people. But other than that not essentially different in nature and purpose.
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