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  1. And of course the secularists who have the audacity to call themselves progressive will promote this FILTH.

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  2. Yes and that’s what the whole planet thought just decades ago! The only reason we see this stuff happen is because of the secular world pushing this BS and calling it progressive. Sickening! If this was done for incest would you be ok with it? You people always make a problem out of Prophet Muhammad (saw) marrying Aisha at a young age (even though NO ONE did before the 20th century!) but you think this is all fine and dandy. Everything is upside down!

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    • I think, to put it quite bluntly, you are a bigot hiding behind your faith. The difference between homosexuals and hetrosexuals is minor – the preference for whom they prefer to be in relationships with – yet this has been enough for homosexuals to endure persecution throughout history, often in the name of God. You play the false equivalence game by comparing homosexuality with incest – the two are *not* the same, yet all too often (and quite often on this site too it would seem), we get to see the Slippery Slope Fallacy indulged in, as you are doing.

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    • Hi Believer
      Who is you people? Is it people who don’t agree Islam or people who are Atheist

      people didnt speak about his marriage to Aisha because it was hidden deep in the hadith, as there are no details about her age in the koran which means vital details are not given in the “word of god” yet in the words of man everything is mentioned.

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  3. Hi Darthtimon
    What do you mean the difference Homosexuals and Heterosexuals is minor?

    Here are a people who in the 60’s and 70’s claiming they don’t want to be like Hetrosexuals that they were different etc etc.

    Have you read their manifesto and their plan and desire to sodomize and destroy the family?

    They are not only ones in history who have had to endure persecution as they act like on every street corner someone is trying to attack them please.

    They want to change the meaning of words….

    to not agree with = hate

    to have a different opinion = bigoted

    reproductive system and digestive organs dont go together.

    All the Homosexuals can have their opinion and no one else can that seems a bit intolerant to me dont you think, and I think you even called believer a bigot.

    You are obviously not tolerant of him!

    The point I’m making is there are things that are sinful and disgusting to some people, that are not to others and everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless.

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    • I am entitled to call Believer a bigot. I asked him if he thought homosexuals were filth, as per his statement. He said yes. He wasn’t referring to the act, he was referring to the people who happen to be homosexual. That is pretty blatent.

      And yes, the difference is minor. I can’t believe you refer to a ‘homosexual manifesto’. Have you ever seen such a document? Homosexuals, like any other group, are made up of a wide range of people with different interests and opinions. You would object to Muslims being identified as a homogenus group, a monolithic entity, would you not? After all, that is a tactic historically used to demonise all Muslims. It is also what Believer is doing to homosexuals.

      Yes, other groups throughout history have been persecuted. This doesn’t lessen the impact or make it more reasonable somehow. They continue to face persecution today – in some parts of the world homosexuality is punishable by imprisonment, in others death. In still others we get denial of rights. Is that reasonable to you?

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  4. Hi Darthtimon
    Yes I have read their manifesto and a lot of nonsense within it. They have an agenda and its a selfish one because this is all about sexual anarchy.

    When you look at some if not most of the sexual orientations are you going to honestly say that they all normal behaviour by human beings?

    For instance Coprophilia = sexual arousal associated with feces…normal yeah?

    what about Necrophilia = sexual arousal or activity with a corpse

    or what about Urophilia = sexual arousal associated with urine.

    and last but not least Zoophilia = engaging in sexual activity with animals.

    Lets look at the nasty germs that certain individuals catch and spread among themselves.

    Anal cancer, Chlamydia, Trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, HIV,Herpes,HPV, Syphilis and last but not least Gonorrhea which defeating the doctors so called remedies.

    Have look at what is called “Gay bowel syndrome” research what that is all about.

    Someone has kicked the door open in society that now anything goes and no one must have an opinion.

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    • If there really is a ‘homosexual manifesto’ I guess you’ll have no trouble providing a link to it?

      You just rattled off a list of things that bear no relation to the idea of consenting adults wanting to get married or be in a relationship with each other. I can see that you are focusing exclusively on the physical act. Well, heterosexual couples might choose to engage in anal sex, oral sex, use toys etc. Are we to frown upon that behaviour in heterosexual couples or is this exclusively about hating the act if performed by homosexual couples?

      The diseases you listed are not exclusive to same- sex couples either. There is a general ignorance of contraception and means to prevent STDs which applies as much to heterosexual couples as it does homosexual couples. Better sex education (as opposed to shaming homosexuals by calling them filth) might be the better option.

      I don’t seem to recall saying no one can have an opinion. The problem is the conservative religious right wanting to impose its will on everyone, including non-believers. ‘You can’t get married, even though it doesn’t affect me!’ ‘My faith trumps your civil rights!’ Did you know that in Uganda (a Christianity-based country) you can be locked up for life for being homosexual? In Iran, interpretations of Sharia Law mean the death penalty can come into play. You speak of the right to voice an opinion – how about the right to live in peace without oppression and discrimination and even the threat of death?

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    • Hi
      You obviously didnt get the point.

      The manifesto go look for it and it will help you understand the mindset of these people.

      cures for STD’s I dont know where you have been living but a lot of them are responding to what the doctors are using to fight them in fact they are becoming resistant.

      two or more of the “sexual orientations” I listed are not orientations they are do with perversion.

      How can we live in peace when homosexuals are attacking every area of life to suit them.

      if you dont bake them a cake they want to get your business shut down utter nonsense

      they seriously insecure and intolerant of everyone else that does not agree with them.

      poo and urine are not a part normal sexual activity and guess who involves themselves in that?

      Uganda and life imprisonment for Homosexuals…thats the law.

      You can recieve the death penalty for tax evasion in China whats your point.

      murderers bank robbers rapist are locked up for what they do, should they now turn around say they were born like that.

      Sorry certain parts of the body are not made for sex just check out the medical facts.

      And furthermore whoever said everything that hetrosexuals is ok they can do nasty too.

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    • I got your point. It’s misleading and inaccurate and about what I expected.

      The burden of proof is on you to provide the details of this so-called ‘homosexual manifesto’.

      I didn’t talk of cures for STDs. I talked of preventative measures. They are different things, and education on things like safe-sex, not the creation of stigmas, is the best way forward.

      Your efforts to link sexual orientation with certain acts is duly noted.

      Your equation of homosexuals ‘attacking’ businesses is nothing at all like the genuine problems facing same-sex couples. You think it’s fair to lock someone up for their sexual orientation, or even kill them? You then go on to make *another* false comparison – this time between homosexuals and MURDERERS and RAPISTS – seriously?!

      Public businesses have made a commitment to uphold public laws on equality and discrimination. Shall we open the door to arbitrary discrimination, on whatever grounds one can think of? ‘I refuse to serve Muslims/Christians on religious grounds’. ‘I refuse to serve black people on social grounds’. ‘I refuse to serve people who wear glasses on cultural grounds’. You cannot talk of insecurity and intolerance when you want to take rights away, or deny them in the first instance.

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    • Hi
      These people who lived by their bible refused to serve a certain type of customer whether it is a bakery or a hotel owner.

      Homosexuals have tried to put themselves in the same position as black people.

      Black people cannot change blackness

      Homosexuality is a learned behaviour no genetic proof.

      so do you believe that anal sex is normal?

      that is region all waste comes out and inpurities and bacteria

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    • Their business is a public one, not a Biblical one. Their personal beliefs should not influence who they serve. They should not be starting up public-facing businesses only to then cherrypick which customers they deal with. Also, what proof do you have that homosexuality is a learned behaviour? Is it learned from their hetrosexual parents? Is it a conscious choice to risk being ejected from one’s family, to risk being unable to get a job, or even jailed and killed?

      If a couple wants to perform anal sex that’s up to them, regardless of their orientation. Why the obsession over what goes on in someone else’s bedroom?

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    • “These people who lived by their bible ” Lol

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    • Nonsense! It is not hidden deep in the hadith. It’s repeated in Bukhari and Christians have had access to it. Read what Jonathan Brown has to say. You’re just making stuff up.

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    • are you telling me that muslims walk around freely speaking about muhammad and 6 year old bride and his life with her.

      no muslim freely speaks about that because firstly it is not in the koran.

      and secondly it is embarrassing for them.

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    • Nonsense! It is not hidden deep in the hadith. It’s repeated in Bukhari and Christians have had access to it. Read what Jonathan Brown has to say. You’re just making stuff up. This guy can’t make sense for once.

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    • what muslims go around talking about Muhammads 6 yr old bride? none really but they lie about her age.

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  5. DC said:

    “people didnt speak about his marriage to Aisha because it was hidden deep in the hadith, as there are no details about her age in the koran which means vital details are not given in the “word of god” yet in the words of man everything is mentioned.”

    Blowing hot air again? Why do you say things when you have no idea what you are talking about?

    People were aware of the marriage. You should read Jonathan Brown’s book “Misquoting Muhammad”.

    The reason they didn’t say anything was because it was normal. It was not until the 20th century that it became a matter of controversy.

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    • Hi Faiz
      The reason why I said hidden away in the hadith, is because many Muslims never speak about it and then become aggressive when it is mentioned.

      Prophet Muhammad is meant to the example for all mankind to follow, is that one of the examples we should follow?

      And if I have no idea about things then it must be from all the Muslims I have spoken to who even lied about her age to cover their shame.

      So I’m not blowing hot hair just admit that a 50 odd year old had sexual desire for a little girl.

      I’m sorry he is disqualified to carry the title of being the example for all mankind.

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    • Defending hot air

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    • as usual nothing to say

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    • No Godman, nothing to defend

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    • it is interesting to note brother faiz that scholars agree that jesus insult and abusive reaction towards the non Jewish woman is indication that fristianity was originally anti gentile.

      this was deeply hidden by the gospel of mark when he has the woman win by making an argument and getting a repair job done for her daughter. But markan cover up is not history bro faiz. Markan narrative coverup is NOT HISTORY REMEMBERED.

      scholars also agree that Luke does repair job ” I have not found great faith even in Israel” and marks “to those on the outside everything is said in parables” is indication that the “gentilizing” of the religion was not being bought by the Palestinian Jews of the time

      To much cover up in the gospels

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    • Lol DC, you just keep proving time and again how pathetic you are.

      Muslims talk about it all the time since hypocritical Christians idiots keep bringing it up even though their forefathers like Martin Luther obviously saw nothing abnormal about it.

      The example to follow is that people should be married only when they are mature enough, not the age. In ancient times, there was no such thing as adolescence. You were either a child or an adult. That is why in every culture, including that of your mangod savior, people were married with children of their own by the teenage years.

      Now since children in modern times are usually not given any major responsibilities until their late teenage years, its not surprising that they don’t tend to be mature until that time. Actually, one can say that there are a lot people 20 years or older who could use a bit maturing.

      If anybody is embarrassed, it’s you Christians since you try to move heaven and earth to avoid admitting how old the mother of your mangod was when she became pregnant and when she married Joseph. It’s hilarious watching you guys try to deny the historical evidence. Lol!

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    • Thr faiz and heathcliff show talking nonsense once again.

      Mary was a virgin duh she didnt sleep with Joseph

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    • She was impregnated by her own son

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    • DC, how silly and/or ignorant are you? Surely you know that Mary had other children?

      But the main point is that Mary would have been very young when she married Joseph. How old do you think she was?

      Now let’s see if you will be honest or if you will try to avoid the embarrassment of admitting the truth.

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    • Hey
      I dont know what your problem is with Mary all this nonsense about “we respect Jesus” “We love Jesus” seems to me like a bunch of lies.

      I didnt say Mary didnt have any children after the birth of Jesus.

      The point I was making is she was a virgin but you guys and your blasphemous nonsense say things like…

      “Jesus impregnated his mother” mocking the fact that Christians say Jesus is God.

      I dont put an age on Mary and to honest there is nothing to be ashamed of, you are the ones that are ashamed which is why you bring your tit for tat rubbish.

      You are the ones who have an issue with Mary’s age always trying to prove she was really young.

      She wasnt 6 years old playing with dolls she was able to do the following…

      Luke 1:39. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste,into a city of Juda…to see her cousin Elisabeth.

      And by the way Faiz you said…Now, now DC. Dont get mad because you keep getting exposed as a clueless missionary haunted by a lying spirit.

      I think it was Prophet Muhammad that said Satan put words in his mouth right.

      So he couldnt tell the difference between Gabriel and Satan talking to him..

      This man NEVER heard God speak to him…

      The koran are the words of an angel not God and he didnt even know who it was that was speaking to him.

      SOMEONE ELSE WHO WAS NOT THERE HAD TO TELL HIM.

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    • “Luke 1:39. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste,into a city of Juda…to see her cousin Elisabeth.”

      you think the woman who was impregnated by her son went alone? even 7-11 year olds can visit places. But your problem is Joseph . Matthew clearly says she was brought into Josephs house and mother of your god was his wife. Now did young mother of god remain married virgin and she gave birth to one person two natures?

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    • no one is denying Joseph took mary to be his wife…he knew his wife after she had jesus.

      you guys call names but cant deal with me on the issue of muhammad listening to the devil.

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    • so you have no problem with 60 year old man taking 10 year old Mary into his bed room? in the UK, 12 year olds were taken in bed room. In Hebrew culture they would have been a lot younger. Remember Joseph was UNDER the OLD covenant so he would have done old school on who ever he married.

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    • Lol, so no response as was expected. Typical of a missionary haunted by a lying spirit.

      Mary would have been too young by modern standards when she would have married Joseph. It was not abnormal because it was a different cultural context. So yes, there is nothing to be ashamed about just as there is nothing to be ashamed about with the Prophet Muhammad and Aisha.

      But the fact that you tried to deny the historical evidence shows that you are a dishonest loser missionary. You don’t have to put an exact age on Mary. Just give me a range. Here’s your second chance to redeem yourself. 😉

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  6. Islam is so prideful…

    1. The perfect religion.

    2. The last prophet.

    3. The unchanged book.

    Big statements but all nonsense.

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  7. “it is interesting to note brother faiz that scholars agree that jesus insult and abusive reaction towards the non Jewish woman is indication that fristianity was originally anti gentile.”

    But the woman herself didn’t judge it to be an Insult. So it wasn’t an Insult. Too bad for you guys.

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    • that’s part of the narrative coverup .
      historically she could have been well pissed and returned the insults, but since mark is writing at the narrative level and we don’t have oral stories, then the story could have easily been changed.
      Mark needs gentiles in because Jews are easily going out.

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    • “But the woman herself didn’t judge it to be an Insult. So it wasn’t an Insult. Too bad for you guys.”

      In the narrative level the insult was accepted because it needed gentiles in. in the historical level it is very possible the dog/animal NEVER even got a cure.

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    • And what is the likelihood at the narrative level in which mark has already invented a pro gentile Jesus, mark would reveal how she REALLY felt about being called an animal?

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    • I guess when someone calls your daughter an animal and then your wife admits to being slave and bitch of jewish children, then I guess you don’t take it as an insult. At the narrative level the acceptance of the insult is required , an insult with an insult would wreck the story mark was inventing.

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    • Lol, poor madman!

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  8. “Mary was a virgin duh she didnt sleep with Joseph”

    the mother of your god breast fed 1 person , 2 natures and then she also told herself that she pushed out 1 person 2 natures. if this isn’t sick blasphemy, then i don’t know what is.

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  9. “She was impregnated by her own son”

    the other two were hovering which the son was forming . but she still ends up bringing forth 1 person , 2 natures.

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  10. “Mary was a virgin duh she didnt sleep with Joseph”

    after giving birth to 1 person , 2 natures, how old was the mother of your god? did she become 16 after birth or was she still 10-12?

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    • Matthew makes it explicitly clear that Joseph brought Mary to his home which indicate he had access to his wife anytime. After birth she gave birth, she would have to have had relationship with Joseph otherwise she would be married virgin. You fristians are a joke

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  11. “I think it was Prophet Muhammad that said Satan put words in his mouth right.”

    Lol, I think you are just another ignoramus. Appealing to red herrings, especially unhistorical myths like the so-called satanic verses won’t save you DC.

    Remember, it was your mangod who was tempted by Satan. Satan somehow managed to show all the kingdoms of the earth from a high mountain. I guess he also made the earth flat.

    I think it is likely that Paul met Satan on the road to Damascus. The guy never met Jesus and suddenly he becomes his apostle? Sounds fishy don’t it?

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    • neither did Muhammad meet God. red herrings?? we will see

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    • No response, only more ignorance. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) met God on his night journey. So, unlike your false apostle Paul, Muhammad got his mis sion from the highest authority.

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    • hey
      his wife said he was in bed all night. how did he go there?

      night journey nonsense and he supposedly met all these prophets absolute tosh!

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    • Um silly boy, whether he went in physical form or it was a vision is irrelevant. Did Isaiah literally travel to God’s throne or was it a vision? What difference would it make?

      The fact is that Muhammad (pbuh) knew his mission was from God. Your false apostle Paul didn’t know who it really was on the road to Damascus. We don’t even know who the alleged witnesses were or what they saw or heard. Your entire religion is based upon the nonsensical imagination of a deceiver who never met his alleged savior.

      You still haven’t redeemed yourself about Mary’s age range. Why don’t you ask you lying spirit? 😉

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    • my religion is based on who Jesus is and what he has done.

      your fake cut and paste religion.

      What on earth has Isaiah got to do with this.
      The prophet Isaiah tells us the year…it was when king Uzziah died.

      He didnt say he flew on the back of an animal.

      Muhammad knew his mission was from God.

      Sorry he wanted to commit suicide.

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    • Lol, now you’re just being dumb, which isn’t surprising. I mean you are a clueless missionary. Your false apostle had no idea who was communicating with him. Muhammad, on the other hand, had met with God. Your false apostle doesn’t even come close.

      I see you still haven’t answered the question about Mary’s age. Its okay. Missionaries always run away from these kinds of questions.

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    • Hi
      I am not running away from anything firstly the bible does not give an age unless of course you would like me to guess.

      You want me to use pagan Catholic sources or false Gnostic gospels to find out the age of Mary and Joseph.

      So the only way to deal with you is by quoting what is considered to authentic.

      name calling does not win you anything and speaking disrespectfully about respected characters in your koran is quite sad.

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    • So no response. Got it.

      You don’t need to rely on the Bible to give an age range. Historical information from outside the Bible can reliably give us an approximate range. You just don’t want to admit it because it exposes your hypocrisy. Making excuses and straw man arguments does not win you anything.

      And whose speaking disrespectfully about Mary? I’m simply asking you to clarify her age when she married Joseph.

      And by the way, the Catholics are not any less pagan than you. So stop trying to distract from the issue. 🙂

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    • you obviously didnt read what I sent I said I would authentic scholarly works including Islamic ones.

      You are there calling names and quoting nothing.

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    • “you obviously didnt read what I sent I said I would authentic scholarly works including Islamic ones.

      You are there calling names and quoting nothing.”

      LOL, same problem. What counts as “authentic scholarly works” in your view simply means anything that agrees with your view. Anything that disagrees will be rejected by default. You already rejected the “pagan Catholic” view!

      Here is a link that discusses the typical age of marriage for girls in that time:

      http://kennethcope.com/how-old-were-mary-and-joseph/

      Based on this, what do you think was the likely age range for Mary?

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  12. I don’t care about people being homosexuals! I just care about the act! What on earth does it matter if people are gay as long as they don’t act on it. I will never treat them differently then non-gays.

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    • thats like saying I’m a murderer but as long as you dont murder I’m cool with you.

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    • Why are you equating homosexuality with murder?

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    • its an example I could use something else if murder bothers

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    • I think it’s quite revealing that you equate consenting adults with the act of murder.

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    • thats exactly my point about the way people today. no one can have an opinion outside of the bigoted homosexual point of view.

      These are the people that equate not agreeing with…as hatred…hate speech et etc.

      When did to not agree with someone = hate?

      And here you are making the same mistake about what I said.

      its like saying its ok to be rapist as long as you raping anyone…better still do it the privacy of your own home.

      The point I’m making is that its not ok for everyone to be able to what they want.

      can robbers rapist murderers and fraudsters do what they want in the privacy of their own home?

      You see life is not just about homosexuals and what they want.

      There is a big world homos act they are only ones that bad treatment…get a life

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    • Equating homosexuality with murder isn’t simply having a point of view, it’s a deliberate, distorted approach, aimed at demonising homosexuals. That truly IS bigoted, and what’s worse, you seek to DEFEND such an approach.

      No one says you have to agree with or approve of homosexuals, but whether you do or not, they exist, they are not going anywhere, and they shouldn’t have to hide in the shadows, much less be denied rights, just because you don’t like them.

      You then repeat your stance by comparing rape to homosexuality – which just goes to show how meaningless your apparent ‘point’ is. Murder and rape are by any definition non-consensual acts, ones of great violence and horror. Not remotely the same as a consensual act between two adults. Do you understand the difference?

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    • tell the whole truth did I not include robbers and fraudsters?

      We have homosexual people who want everyone to tolerate them but they dont tolerate others who dont agree with them.

      So there are no such thing as homosexual bigots?

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    • Do you think it a good thing to compare homosexuality with not only rape and murder but also robbery and fraud? I’m not sure why you think that makes your argument better…

      Do you know why there are some homosexuals (and to quote you, don’t tar with the same brush) who might act in what you would consider a bigoted way against others? It might because those ‘others’ are suggesting that what two consenting adults do is somehow comparable to the actions of serial killers like Fred West. It might be the suggestion that they shouldn’t expect equality, or that they shouldn’t want tolerance, that they should be happy to be called ‘filfth’.

      Maybe it’s the notion that they should shrug off the oppression and violence directed at them, because ‘other groups have faced the same’ (as if that somehow makes it right).

      You clearly do not understand why your comparisons are blatantly flawed.

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    • sin is sin, what is prohibited is prohibited. That is all.

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    • Do you believe homosexuality is the same as murder?

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    • of course not. Murder is murder. Homosexulity is homosexuality.

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    • And one is an act of violation, whilst the other is a consensual act, correct?

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    • by the way who said anything about denying rights, dont tar everyone with the same set.

      Furthermore Fred West and his wife were doing things in the privacy of their own home too.

      I think you cant tell the difference between talking about a way of life and attacking it

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    • By the way, are you going to explain the relevance of your question about whether or not I am a Muslim?

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    • thats exactly my point about the way people today. no one can have an opinion outside of the bigoted homosexual point of view.

      These are the people that equate not agreeing with…as hatred…hate speech et etc.

      When did to not agree with someone = hate?

      And here you are making the same mistake about what I said.

      its like saying its ok to be rapist as long as you raping anyone…better still do it the privacy of your own home.

      The point I’m making is that its not ok for everyone to be able to what they want.

      can robbers rapist murderers and fraudsters do what they want in the privacy of their own home?

      You see life is not just about homosexuals and what they want.

      There is a big world homos act like they are only ones that bad treatment…get a life

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    • Uh no, it’s not like that at all. Oy vei.

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    • What they do in the privacy of their own homes is none of your business. Get over it.

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    • What do you think? And is that relevant?

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    • I’m not a Muslim. Will you care to explain the relevance?

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    • Still waiting for an answer as to the relevance of the question….

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    • “You see life is not just about homosexuals and what they want.”

      Lol, you finally found out. You put the “fun” back into fundamentalism.

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  13. “Sorry he wanted to commit suicide.”

    Bro faiz, this pipsqueak missionary will say the same stuff next year, but my question is for you bro faiz. Where is there even one verse in the Hebrew bible which says thought of suicide or about to do suicide disqualifies one from being a prophet. Bro , this pipsqueak believes gods representatives WHO HAd REGULAR visits from god became POLYTHEISTS.e.g Solomon

    if POLYTHIESM does not disqualify you then how about NOT going through with suicide ASSUMING the “we heard” in narration about prophet HAD A AUTHENTIC SOURCE?

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