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Lizzie Schofield and other Christians who make comments like this are making the church look hypocritical.
All this “Christian” missionary “oh the God of Islam is not loving because He sends people to Hell” stuff needs to stop. It’s just making you and your respective churches look hypocritical, ignorant and/or extremely liberal (liberal = not Biblical).
As RC Sproul mentions, Christians believe Jesus does not love sinners and they believe non Christians will go to Hell. In addition, do Trinitarian Christians REALLY think those people you believe Jesus ordered to be killed in 1 Samuel 15:3 were “loved” by Jesus?
Look at it from the average Muslim point of view, “Christian” missionaries turn up and tell the Muslims who they think are poorly educated and gullible that Jesus loves them and he’s all about love and peace etc.. Yet to the Muslim who knows something about the Bible and Christian beliefs they will readily admit they believe Jesus will return with a sword to deal with Muslims as enemies and that Muslims will go to hell if they don’t accept Jesus as “lord and saviour”, the Bible and the Trinity doctrine. This just seems totally contradictory.
The way Christian missionaries argue can be turned on them. As for Prophet Muhammad, he never allowed the killing of children. So, for the secularist and for people like Lizzy, Jay Smith and a number of the other more polemical SC Westernised “Christians” Prophet Muhammad is more moral than Trinitarian Jesus. Another quick example would be the treatment of slaves – Jesus allowed the beating of slaves (including female slaves) in Exodus 21:20-21 as long as they got up after a day or two (so that’s clearly a severe beating) while Prophet Muhammad forbade even slapping slaves.
I urge Christians to move away from superficial and inconsistent polemics. Be honest fair, and balanced when looking at and talking about Islam. I’m confident if you do this, you’ll be attracted towards Islam.
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Psalm 11:5 teaches that God hates the wicked.
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Examples of Christian “love” for the non-Christian:
1 Corinthians 16:22: “If anyone does not love the Lord (Jesus), let that person be cursed!”
Galatians 1:8: “But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!”
Revelation 21:8: “But as for the cowardly, the UNBELIEVING, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
The “love” of Jesus reserved for Christians
Matthew 7:21-23: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers’.”
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when cristian says “jesus loves you” what he really means “jesus loves you, now you better believe he came back from the dead or else…”
did jesus come back from the dead?
https://celsus.blog/2013/06/29/knocking-out-the-pillars-of-the-minimal-facts-apologetic/
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Hippiedippyanity?
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Allah is more loving.
He doesn’t demand human blood in exchange for forgiveness.
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lizzie said earlier in the video
“god gets angry with sin”
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In Jonah, the Assyrian capital city of Nineveh is
described as so thoroughly wicked that the stench of their immorality
rose all the way up to heaven. But God sent them a prophet,
and guess what happened! They repented, immediately. God sent
no prophet to Canaan. Just spies and barbarian soldiers.
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Moreover, the Ninevites
were pretty far gone themselves, according to Jonah. Jonah 1:2
says that the Ninevites were so wicked that the stench of their
wickedness rose all the way up to Yahweh’s heavenly nostrils.
Clearly they were at least wicked enough that God was at the
ready to wipe them out! Recall Copan’s talk of a certain “moral
threshold” that had to be crossed before Yahweh was willing to
obliterate people. Well, apparently the Ninevites had crossed it.
Yet Yahweh sent them a prophet, and they repented. Bad move on
Copan’s part pointing to Jonah, because all that does is to remind
us that the Canaanites never got a fair shake.
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Ken Temple
Said;
The difference is that in Christianity God loves sinners FIRST, before they are able to repent and believe and pours out grace upon sinners from all the nations – Revelation 5:9; 7:9, whereas in Islam, you as a slave must earn Allah’s love and try to love Allah first, and then MAYBE, Insha’ allah, He will love you back.
I say;
Jesus said;
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
I can’t see any first love from Jesus above. You have to let him be your king first before he loves you.
It is a child from a kindergarten who always sees his toy that is bought from the same manufacturer and the same toy with other kids as superior and different.
I do not believe Jesus is God, and he does not love me and will punish me, so I have love him first. A grown up person should not engage in this type of argument at all.
Fortunately for me, I love the God that Jesus said it is his(Jesus’s) God. If he, the Trinitarian God is sincere and can count, he will know that worshiping Jesus and his God is worshiping 2 Gods and that is idolatry and against the Bible. The Jewish, Muslim and Unitarian Christian God will not hold anyone responsible who does not worship Jesus as God. He is just, all wise and merciful. He will not blame us for not worshiping 2 Gods which he forbade.
Thanks.
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Since you are quoting R. C. Sproul, here is good article on the law of the OT and how it applies to Christians
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/which-laws-apply/
Both Christianity and Islam teach that if a sinner does not repent and believe before they die; they go to hell.
Mark 9:47-48
John 3:36
John 3:18
Revelation 20:10-15
The difference is that in Christianity God loves sinners FIRST, before they are able to repent and believe and pours out grace upon sinners from all the nations – Revelation 5:9; 7:9, whereas in Islam, you as a slave must earn Allah’s love and try to love Allah first, and then MAYBE, Insha’ allah, He will love you back.
Romans 5:8
“God demonstrates His love in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
In Islam, a sinner has to love Allah first, then Allah will love them. (MAYBE, Insha’Allah)
In Christianity, God loves sinners from all the nations first, pours out His grace upon them and causes them to come to Him in faith and repentance and then the sinner is able to love God back, because he was changed.
2 Corinthians 5:17 – anyone who is in Christ is a new creature, the old has passed away, the new has come
Ezekiel 36:26-27
God promised to take away the heart of stone (hardness, rebellion, unbelief) and give them a heart of soft flesh (obedient, submissive, pliable) and give them a new spirit and cause them to walk in His commandments.
John 3:1-10 – you must be born again
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“The difference is that in Christianity God loves sinners FIRST, before they are able to repent and believe …”
what about the sinner does god love first? does he love him because he is cursed with the sin of adam “born in sin” ?
does he love him because human can do good deeds?
does god love hard hearted sinner ?
say they do not repent and believe , what exactly did god love in that person?
did god love satan first , what about satan did god love first?
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We are told about and expected to believe the reports of a god that no one can know and no one can please (but jeesus, mind you) but yet they’re the authority on this god… does this make sense? If they are even remotely correct on their slam-fest of God, how is it that they know what God is like? Are they merely believing and PROMULGATING second-hand information? Were people like King David, the Prophet Moses, the Patriarchs, the Later Prophets lying when they ascribed adjectives of “mercy, loving kindness, abundant compassion and comforting” to this “vengeful” God? But they claim it’s the same god they serve! Were these biblical personalities wrong in their assessment of God and these xians who really don’t have a relationship with God (or a relationship by proxy) possessing the “true” relationship? And can you really have a relationship via proxy? How intimate is a relationship if you have to go through someone else to have a simple conversation with the one you’re to have a relationship with–and with a person (or in this case god) who, were it not for jeesus, would consider you worm fodder and banish you? REmember, according to xians, without jeesus no one could know god or have a relationship with him. So is jeesus our ticket to a relationship with god, or the wool pulled over god’s eyes (and our own) with regard to the true relationship? Or are we really just having a relationship with ourselves and this belief in jeesus is a mere distraction from the reality that no one can know this unreachable god? Is there anything more pathetic and more sad than to have a relationship by proxy; knowing the Object of your supposed loyalty and devotion doesn’t love you but only tolerates you because of someone else? Take that piece away and we’re back to the fundamental view of this “god” to his creation. What does that really say about this “god”?
no set of lies is more damning and more self-serving than to tell people that they are defective from birth, can never know God, cannot improve themselves and they are damned for all eternity unless you believe their variant/cult and to believe otherwise is the ultimate delusion. Are there any lies WORSE to not only one’s soul but one’s perception of the CREATOR HIMSELF??????? Is there anything MORE disgusting to the very Mercy, Compassion and “You can do it!” encouragement given by God Himself (even right in the VERY opening chapters of Genesis—- God tells Cain he can overcome evil! This from a “vengeful, can-never-please-Him” God!)? Is there any sin greater than to have one of God’s creations believe they can never know Him without any aides, “blood tricks” and “redemption coupons” from Jeesus?
The lies of these xians is “God knows you can’t have a relationship with him because you’re dirty, worthless, vile and wretched .. you’re spiritual trash. Only a bloody go between can mend the bridge”. They lie about God and also fail to ask the obvious.. what person would WANT a relationship with someone who will only see you as less than.. and only by the CHARITY of another can you come into a “relationship” with this person? Who wants a relationship with a god who only allows you to come into his presence via a proxy.. can it even be called a relationship? I think this is the most vile lie ever devised… lying about God and then LYING about the inherent potential (and the “god spark” ALL people have!) just so you can form an emotional attachment to jeesus.
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Ken Temple
Said;
The difference is that in Christianity God loves sinners FIRST, before they are able to repent and believe and pours out grace upon sinners from all the nations – Revelation 5:9; 7:9, whereas in Islam, you as a slave must earn Allah’s love and try to love Allah first, and then MAYBE, Insha’ allah, He will love you back.
I say;
Any kindergarten kid will know that who ever God is, that God loves us human first.
Why?
-If he does not love us he will not create us in the first place, and in his own image i.e. with brains, senses, intellect etc.
-He gave us food to eat, air to breath, money, children whether we believe, love or worship him or not. He still provides all these to us.
-He cannot be seen for now, so He sent prophets upon prophets with scriptures to guide us i.e. humans to Himself(God) and away from Satan who STILL tempt us like how he tempted Adam, Jesus, Abraham etc.
-He advises us i.e. humans to do good to ourselves and distance ourselves from bad.
-And many more.
All the above, He(God) did out of His Mercy to us humans without demanding any love from us. Even those who do not LOVE Him(God) still get the above free of charge. So it is only a child who will waste his time arguing whether God loves us first or second or third. Honestly, and with all due respect, this is not an argument for any grown up to raise. Whoever God is, He loves all humans first. But He does not love those who did not listen to Him and follow Satan.
Thanks.
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