The smirk on the face of the white Christian supremacist in the background is utterly disgusting.
Muslims came to Australia to engage in trade with the aborigines in friendship and peace for hundreds of years. In the process, there was a cultural exchange, which included an introduction to Islamic faith, which resulted in many aborigines converting to Islam, and even today many aborigines choose Islam for themselves.
While in striking contrast, White European Christian’s came with the utmost evil intentions to conquer, subdue, kill, murder, rape, enslave, usurp and rob the aborigines of everything they had. While European Colonist’s enslaved the body Aborigine, Christian Missionaries took advantage of the weak position of the Aborigines and forced Christianity upon them, in an attempt to enslave their mind.
What a shameful mark on the history of Australia, Europe, and Christianity.
If there are any Australian Aborigines reading this, I encourage them to evaluate how poorly and dishonorably they were treated by Christians and Christianity and compare with how Muslims have always treated them with honor as fellow human beings worthy of respect. Then I invite my Aborigines friends, to come home to Islam, the only religion that truly emphasizes the equality of all people, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, race, gender etc. The world wide Muslim family await you with open arms!! Inshallah!
Paul and Ibn Issam. What a mischievous post and hateful comments. Let’s get some facts straight.
1. The photo is not from the 1960s.
2. Most white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains. For Paul to post this photo they way he has is to ignore the historical context and create a fictional hateful context.
3. White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God. It was the secular Darwinians who saw classified aborigines this way. The Church actually protected the aborigines from the Darwinians. Ibn Issam, you blame Christians for the ideas of Darwin. Do you see how filled with hate you are?
4. To suggest that Islam treats the people it conquers better is sheer fiction. The Islamic empires conquered, colonised and enslaved from West China to Spain. Just go and asked the Copts and other conquered peoples.
5. White Australia has apologised to the aboriginal population and spends billions of dollars on the aboriginal community. The Islamic world has never apologised for its imperialism, colonising or enslaving.
Samuel,
No one said that the picture was from the 1960’s. The date is in reference to the Flora and Fauna Act.
I do not think that there are any hateful comments on my part, or in the original post. The truth hurts. The only thing that is hateful here, is how Aborigines were treated by White European Christian supremacist colonists. I think it is also hateful, how you are attempting to shamelessly whitewash that horrid and sinful history, as an apologetic tactic to defend your Christian faith from criticism.
As for you other numbered points, they have already been addressed by others below.
It is quite a cop out for Samuel to blame such crimes on Darwinians, when his fellow Christians offered little in protest and clearly benefited by taking advantage of the situation.
Given the rampant white racist attitudes in the 17’00’s and 1800’s I highly doubt that Australian Christians believed that the Black Aborigines were “created in the image of God.” If such Christians really believed the Aborigines were created thusly, then they would have treated the Aborigine with the respect that God calls for all human beings. But they did not. Instead, the Australian Christian disrespected, dishonored, and dehumanized the Aborigine by taking the opportunity to engage in forced conversions of a traditional people whom they considered at the time to be mere animals (fauna).
But this is what we have come to expect from Christianity.
It is really disgusting how Christians so often seem to revel and delight in the destruction of other peoples cultures. In their never ending missionary quest to “spread the gospel” and homogenize the world, Christians have only really succeeded in spreading confusion, hate, disorder, death, suffering, and destruction. They have ruined and destroyed or so many of the worlds beautiful cultures. This pattern has been established wherever the Armies of Christian nations went, while followed closely behind by collaborating and conniving Christian missionaries who seek to “win souls for Christ” at any cost….even if it means wholesale slaughter, destruction and enslavement of other people and cultures who are “misfortunate” enough to be non-Christian.
of course you are ASHAMED of jesus’ words and you will change what is meant.
in avalos’ book bad jesus section “the semantic of love and hate” page 87
he writes :
for example , if we accept the proposition that ‘hate x’ actually means to ‘love y more than x’ then we should note the odd reading generated by such an equation in amos5:15
‘ hate evil’ = ‘LOVE GOOD more THAN evil’ However , it is clear that the author of amos 5.15 is exhorting listeners to not love evil AT ALL.
The arbitrary nature of jesus apologetic in luke 14:26 can also be gauged by an unwillingness to treat occurrences of ‘love’ in the same figurative or comparative manner
that is to say , few, if any , of the same interpreters that want to treat ‘hate’ comparatively in luke 14:26 will do so for ‘love’ one could just as well posit that ‘love x ‘ = ‘to hate Y more than X’
Indeed there is a great circularity at work in saying that jesus cannot mean hate in luke 14:26 because he preaches ‘love’ elsewhere. SO , why not argue that jesus probably did not mean ‘love’ literally elsewhere because he clearly meant ‘hate’ in luke 14:26? “
“white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains.”
You create a false equivalence. Your ancestors were convicted criminals. The aboriginals were free people until they were enslaved by the Christian invaders from England.
Your comments about Muslims are hateful and deeply prejudiced. Typical of Evangelical Christians.
Why do you still celebrate Australia Day on the anniversary of the 1788 arrival of British ships in New South Wales and the raising of the Flag of Great Britain at Sydney Cove by Governor Arthur Phillip?
Indigenous Australians mourn the invasion of their land by Europeans and protest its celebration as a national holiday. They refer to 26 January as “Invasion Day” or “Survival Day”.
2. Most white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains. For Paul to post this photo they way he has is to ignore the historical context and create a fictional hateful context.
I say;
A photo of Whites in chain like the photo above taken in Australia will prove you right. We need proof as Islam is about proof and not blind faith like Christians will say they have proof or passport to go to heaven, but when you ask them have they been to heaven? They will say no. If you tell them ok. Christians you go to heaven if you have proof of going to heaven. They cannot go.
3. White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God. It was the secular Darwinians who saw classified aborigines this way. The Church actually protected the aborigines from the Darwinians. Ibn Issam, you blame Christians for the ideas of Darwin. Do you see how filled with hate you are?
I say;
May be you have forgotten Christians history. From the beginning when Arians, Ebionites etc. who did not believe in Trinity were persecuted by Christians i.e. by Emperor Constantine, his children and the rest.\
– You forgot when Christian West will kill any one except their type of Christianity until the liberals, atheists and others fought them(Christians) and won the battle before freedom of religion was forced on them(Christians).
Proof:
“Along with the religious consequences of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation came deep and lasting political changes. Northern Europe’s new religious and political freedoms came at a great cost, with decades of rebellions, wars and bloody persecutions. The Thirty Years’ War alone may have cost Germany 40 percent of its population.”
-You forgot when John Calvin ordered the burning of Michael Sventus because he did not believe in Trinity.
-You forgot the White Christians but West African slaves in chains, force converted them to Christianity and segregated their Churches in to White Churches and black Churches which we still have today in the USA.
You forgot, the Christians(Protestants) persecute other Christians(Catholics, Mormons etc.) until the freedom of religion was enforced.
More than 80% evangelical Christians voted for Donald Trump in the USA and support whole-heart his hate policy of discrimination, white supremacist support, banning Muslims, deporting young babies who are immigrants etc.
These over 80% Christians who voted for Donald Trump to discriminate others are happy with his policies when he attend their rallies because their ancestors put the blacks in chains and discriminated against them.
4. To suggest that Islam treats the people it conquers better is sheer fiction. The Islamic empires conquered, colonised and enslaved from West China to Spain. Just go and asked the Copts and other conquered peoples.
I say;
Copts? or Jews? Ask them very well. They will tell you without Muslims, the Christians would have exterminated all of them from the surface of this planet. Ask them very well and read the history front wards not back wards.
5. White Australia has apologised to the aboriginal population and spends billions of dollars on the aboriginal community. The Islamic world has never apologised for its imperialism, colonising or enslaving.
I say;
The above prove us right and proves you wrong. Why? Why apologize to something you have not done? It means the White Australians persecuted the Aboriginals as Christian history shows they have no mercy on anyone who is not part of their brand of Christianityi. Spain apologized to Jews a couple of years ago because they persecuted the Jews and Muslims in the inquisition.
Muslims are being persecuted today in Myanmar(Burma) by Buddhist terrorists and the Western media is silent about that. That is unfair.
I don’t see Native Americans or Native Australians getting their land back. And last time I checked you were still in Australia, how about you start the ball rolling and get back to England, there’s no chain and ball on you. And you’re the type of immigrant UKIP are looking for 🙂 There’s a job waiting for you at Pret and it means one less Italian or Nigerian can return their home country
I’ve heard about this labelling of flora and fauna in a lecture I attended a few years back. So what are you saying, the Christians in Australia weren’t behind it but the Atheists? Did not one of your white athletes get banned from the Olympics for playing a part in the Black Power protest in 68?
Let me guess, “white Christians” weren’t behind this as it’s the fault of the “white Darwinians”?
Are “white Christians” ever behind any genocides or racism? Let me guess, KKK are a bunch of black guys painted white or do you think they’re Darwinians too?
And this well Christians often go to about the image of God is awfully selective: “White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God”
When Christian nations are bombing people (and at times nuking people) why is this well never gone to before they drop their bombs? Are these people going to other parts of the Bible such as 1 Samuel 15:3 which for the Trinitarian has Jesus calling for the killing of men, women and boys.
The Church is inconsistent, it decides which parts of the Bible to use depending on the direction of the political wind.
What a typical comment by Cerberus…riddled with irony.
The Gentile dig so easily confused anything related to terrorism to Islam and does not think that it is “shallow and bigoted” or “ignorant of history”.
> Paul: You create a false equivalence. Your ancestors were convicted criminals. The aboriginals were free people until they were enslaved by the Christian invaders from England
There is no false equivalence. The aborgines is this photo are incarserated, most likely for taking the cattle fo the settlers.
The aborgines were never enslaved as it was the British government that abolished slavery before the colonization of Australia.
> Intellect: I say; A photo of Whites in chain like the photo above taken in Australia will prove you right.
> And last time I checked you were still in Australia, how about you start the ball rolling and get back to England, there’s no chain and ball on you.
This is an interesting question, not just for me but for all colonial descendants? Should the Arabs leave North Africa, Egypt and Iraq. They are not the idigenous peoples.
> And you’re the type of immigrant UKIP are looking for 🙂 There’s a job waiting for you at Pret and it means one less Italian or Nigerian can return their home country
How hateful.
> Intellect: I say; Copts? or Jews? Ask them very well. They will tell you without Muslims, the Christians would have exterminated all of them from the surface of this planet.
This is simply false. Search online for the experiences of the idigenous peoples who were conquered by Muslims.
> Intellect: I say; The above prove us right and proves you wrong. Why? Why apologize to something you have not done?
> Ibn Issam: I do not think that there are any hateful comments on my part, or in the original post. The truth hurts
The truth does hurt and it has taken many decades for white Australia to acknowledge the terrible way it treated the native of Australia. I do not deny any of it though the claims that have been made here are simply false. But as with my above point, Muslim refuse to face the truth of their history. You cannot escape it. White Australia has not and neither will you.
> Ibn Issam: It is quite a cop out for Samuel to blame such crimes on Darwinians, when his fellow Christians offered little in protest and clearly benefited by taking advantage of the situation.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/how-israel-is-helping-myanmar-army-against-rohingya/articleshow/60404954.cms
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The smirk on the face of the white Christian supremacist in the background is utterly disgusting.
Muslims came to Australia to engage in trade with the aborigines in friendship and peace for hundreds of years. In the process, there was a cultural exchange, which included an introduction to Islamic faith, which resulted in many aborigines converting to Islam, and even today many aborigines choose Islam for themselves.
http://theconversation.com/long-history-with-islam-gives-indigenous-australians-pride-3521
While in striking contrast, White European Christian’s came with the utmost evil intentions to conquer, subdue, kill, murder, rape, enslave, usurp and rob the aborigines of everything they had. While European Colonist’s enslaved the body Aborigine, Christian Missionaries took advantage of the weak position of the Aborigines and forced Christianity upon them, in an attempt to enslave their mind.
What a shameful mark on the history of Australia, Europe, and Christianity.
If there are any Australian Aborigines reading this, I encourage them to evaluate how poorly and dishonorably they were treated by Christians and Christianity and compare with how Muslims have always treated them with honor as fellow human beings worthy of respect. Then I invite my Aborigines friends, to come home to Islam, the only religion that truly emphasizes the equality of all people, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, race, gender etc. The world wide Muslim family await you with open arms!! Inshallah!
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Paul and Ibn Issam. What a mischievous post and hateful comments. Let’s get some facts straight.
1. The photo is not from the 1960s.
2. Most white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains. For Paul to post this photo they way he has is to ignore the historical context and create a fictional hateful context.
3. White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God. It was the secular Darwinians who saw classified aborigines this way. The Church actually protected the aborigines from the Darwinians. Ibn Issam, you blame Christians for the ideas of Darwin. Do you see how filled with hate you are?
4. To suggest that Islam treats the people it conquers better is sheer fiction. The Islamic empires conquered, colonised and enslaved from West China to Spain. Just go and asked the Copts and other conquered peoples.
5. White Australia has apologised to the aboriginal population and spends billions of dollars on the aboriginal community. The Islamic world has never apologised for its imperialism, colonising or enslaving.
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Samuel,
No one said that the picture was from the 1960’s. The date is in reference to the Flora and Fauna Act.
I do not think that there are any hateful comments on my part, or in the original post. The truth hurts. The only thing that is hateful here, is how Aborigines were treated by White European Christian supremacist colonists. I think it is also hateful, how you are attempting to shamelessly whitewash that horrid and sinful history, as an apologetic tactic to defend your Christian faith from criticism.
As for you other numbered points, they have already been addressed by others below.
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“White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God”
jesus did not see the canaanite woman as the image of god, he saw her as image of an animal.
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It is quite a cop out for Samuel to blame such crimes on Darwinians, when his fellow Christians offered little in protest and clearly benefited by taking advantage of the situation.
Given the rampant white racist attitudes in the 17’00’s and 1800’s I highly doubt that Australian Christians believed that the Black Aborigines were “created in the image of God.” If such Christians really believed the Aborigines were created thusly, then they would have treated the Aborigine with the respect that God calls for all human beings. But they did not. Instead, the Australian Christian disrespected, dishonored, and dehumanized the Aborigine by taking the opportunity to engage in forced conversions of a traditional people whom they considered at the time to be mere animals (fauna).
But this is what we have come to expect from Christianity.
It is really disgusting how Christians so often seem to revel and delight in the destruction of other peoples cultures. In their never ending missionary quest to “spread the gospel” and homogenize the world, Christians have only really succeeded in spreading confusion, hate, disorder, death, suffering, and destruction. They have ruined and destroyed or so many of the worlds beautiful cultures. This pattern has been established wherever the Armies of Christian nations went, while followed closely behind by collaborating and conniving Christian missionaries who seek to “win souls for Christ” at any cost….even if it means wholesale slaughter, destruction and enslavement of other people and cultures who are “misfortunate” enough to be non-Christian.
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“Do you see how filled with hate you are?”
jesus was hate filled as well.
luke 14.26 tells you WHO to hate
of course you are ASHAMED of jesus’ words and you will change what is meant.
in avalos’ book bad jesus section “the semantic of love and hate” page 87
he writes :
for example , if we accept the proposition that ‘hate x’ actually means to ‘love y more than x’ then we should note the odd reading generated by such an equation in amos5:15
‘ hate evil’ = ‘LOVE GOOD more THAN evil’ However , it is clear that the author of amos 5.15 is exhorting listeners to not love evil AT ALL.
The arbitrary nature of jesus apologetic in luke 14:26 can also be gauged by an unwillingness to treat occurrences of ‘love’ in the same figurative or comparative manner
that is to say , few, if any , of the same interpreters that want to treat ‘hate’ comparatively in luke 14:26 will do so for ‘love’ one could just as well posit that ‘love x ‘ = ‘to hate Y more than X’
Indeed there is a great circularity at work in saying that jesus cannot mean hate in luke 14:26 because he preaches ‘love’ elsewhere. SO , why not argue that jesus probably did not mean ‘love’ literally elsewhere because he clearly meant ‘hate’ in luke 14:26? “
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Samuel
“white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains.”
You create a false equivalence. Your ancestors were convicted criminals. The aboriginals were free people until they were enslaved by the Christian invaders from England.
Your comments about Muslims are hateful and deeply prejudiced. Typical of Evangelical Christians.
Why do you still celebrate Australia Day on the anniversary of the 1788 arrival of British ships in New South Wales and the raising of the Flag of Great Britain at Sydney Cove by Governor Arthur Phillip?
Indigenous Australians mourn the invasion of their land by Europeans and protest its celebration as a national holiday. They refer to 26 January as “Invasion Day” or “Survival Day”.
So much for your apology!
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Samuel Green
2. Most white people in Australia were in chains too. We are a convict nation. My ancestors were in chains. For Paul to post this photo they way he has is to ignore the historical context and create a fictional hateful context.
I say;
A photo of Whites in chain like the photo above taken in Australia will prove you right. We need proof as Islam is about proof and not blind faith like Christians will say they have proof or passport to go to heaven, but when you ask them have they been to heaven? They will say no. If you tell them ok. Christians you go to heaven if you have proof of going to heaven. They cannot go.
3. White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God. It was the secular Darwinians who saw classified aborigines this way. The Church actually protected the aborigines from the Darwinians. Ibn Issam, you blame Christians for the ideas of Darwin. Do you see how filled with hate you are?
I say;
May be you have forgotten Christians history. From the beginning when Arians, Ebionites etc. who did not believe in Trinity were persecuted by Christians i.e. by Emperor Constantine, his children and the rest.\
– You forgot when Christian West will kill any one except their type of Christianity until the liberals, atheists and others fought them(Christians) and won the battle before freedom of religion was forced on them(Christians).
Proof:
“Along with the religious consequences of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation came deep and lasting political changes. Northern Europe’s new religious and political freedoms came at a great cost, with decades of rebellions, wars and bloody persecutions. The Thirty Years’ War alone may have cost Germany 40 percent of its population.”
http://www.history.com/topics/reformation
-You forgot when John Calvin ordered the burning of Michael Sventus because he did not believe in Trinity.
-You forgot the White Christians but West African slaves in chains, force converted them to Christianity and segregated their Churches in to White Churches and black Churches which we still have today in the USA.
You forgot, the Christians(Protestants) persecute other Christians(Catholics, Mormons etc.) until the freedom of religion was enforced.
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More than 80% evangelical Christians voted for Donald Trump in the USA and support whole-heart his hate policy of discrimination, white supremacist support, banning Muslims, deporting young babies who are immigrants etc.
These over 80% Christians who voted for Donald Trump to discriminate others are happy with his policies when he attend their rallies because their ancestors put the blacks in chains and discriminated against them.
4. To suggest that Islam treats the people it conquers better is sheer fiction. The Islamic empires conquered, colonised and enslaved from West China to Spain. Just go and asked the Copts and other conquered peoples.
I say;
Copts? or Jews? Ask them very well. They will tell you without Muslims, the Christians would have exterminated all of them from the surface of this planet. Ask them very well and read the history front wards not back wards.
5. White Australia has apologised to the aboriginal population and spends billions of dollars on the aboriginal community. The Islamic world has never apologised for its imperialism, colonising or enslaving.
I say;
The above prove us right and proves you wrong. Why? Why apologize to something you have not done? It means the White Australians persecuted the Aboriginals as Christian history shows they have no mercy on anyone who is not part of their brand of Christianityi. Spain apologized to Jews a couple of years ago because they persecuted the Jews and Muslims in the inquisition.
Muslims are being persecuted today in Myanmar(Burma) by Buddhist terrorists and the Western media is silent about that. That is unfair.
Thanks.
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Samuel,
Like a sorry makes a genocide any better!
I don’t see Native Americans or Native Australians getting their land back. And last time I checked you were still in Australia, how about you start the ball rolling and get back to England, there’s no chain and ball on you. And you’re the type of immigrant UKIP are looking for 🙂 There’s a job waiting for you at Pret and it means one less Italian or Nigerian can return their home country
I’ve heard about this labelling of flora and fauna in a lecture I attended a few years back. So what are you saying, the Christians in Australia weren’t behind it but the Atheists? Did not one of your white athletes get banned from the Olympics for playing a part in the Black Power protest in 68?
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/24/sport/olympics-norman-black-power/index.html
Let me guess, “white Christians” weren’t behind this as it’s the fault of the “white Darwinians”?
Are “white Christians” ever behind any genocides or racism? Let me guess, KKK are a bunch of black guys painted white or do you think they’re Darwinians too?
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And this well Christians often go to about the image of God is awfully selective: “White Christians never saw the aborigines as flora and fauna but as the image of God”
When Christian nations are bombing people (and at times nuking people) why is this well never gone to before they drop their bombs? Are these people going to other parts of the Bible such as 1 Samuel 15:3 which for the Trinitarian has Jesus calling for the killing of men, women and boys.
The Church is inconsistent, it decides which parts of the Bible to use depending on the direction of the political wind.
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I can’t believe how easily Muslims confuse anything European to Christianity. It’s shallow and bigoted. It’s ignorant of history.
Colonialism has happened for millennium. The Muslims executed it very well for a few centuries.
Stop conflating seperate issues- it’s pathetic
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What a typical comment by Cerberus…riddled with irony.
The Gentile dig so easily confused anything related to terrorism to Islam and does not think that it is “shallow and bigoted” or “ignorant of history”.
It’s pathetic. What a loser.
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> Paul: You create a false equivalence. Your ancestors were convicted criminals. The aboriginals were free people until they were enslaved by the Christian invaders from England
There is no false equivalence. The aborgines is this photo are incarserated, most likely for taking the cattle fo the settlers.
The aborgines were never enslaved as it was the British government that abolished slavery before the colonization of Australia.
> Intellect: I say; A photo of Whites in chain like the photo above taken in Australia will prove you right.
Sure, chains gangs were very common. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/hindsight/new-document/5801350
> yahyasnowblog: Like a sorry makes a genocide any better!
There was never any genocide against the aborgines.
> yahyasnowblog: I don’t see Native Americans or Native Australians getting their land back.
The native Australians have control over 20% of Australia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-14/map-of-land-aboriginals-own,-or-have-native-title-interests-to./8120326
> And last time I checked you were still in Australia, how about you start the ball rolling and get back to England, there’s no chain and ball on you.
This is an interesting question, not just for me but for all colonial descendants? Should the Arabs leave North Africa, Egypt and Iraq. They are not the idigenous peoples.
> And you’re the type of immigrant UKIP are looking for 🙂 There’s a job waiting for you at Pret and it means one less Italian or Nigerian can return their home country
How hateful.
> Intellect: I say; Copts? or Jews? Ask them very well. They will tell you without Muslims, the Christians would have exterminated all of them from the surface of this planet.
This is simply false. Search online for the experiences of the idigenous peoples who were conquered by Muslims.
> Intellect: I say; The above prove us right and proves you wrong. Why? Why apologize to something you have not done?
Muslims are simply in denial about their conquests, colonization, and slave trade. https://youtu.be/EjsLmv1N7i4
> Ibn Issam: I do not think that there are any hateful comments on my part, or in the original post. The truth hurts
The truth does hurt and it has taken many decades for white Australia to acknowledge the terrible way it treated the native of Australia. I do not deny any of it though the claims that have been made here are simply false. But as with my above point, Muslim refuse to face the truth of their history. You cannot escape it. White Australia has not and neither will you.
> Ibn Issam: It is quite a cop out for Samuel to blame such crimes on Darwinians, when his fellow Christians offered little in protest and clearly benefited by taking advantage of the situation.
What are you talking about? What history have you read on this subject? It seem you want to promote Islam by generating hate within the Australian community. If you are genuine then read http://www-archive.biblesociety.org.au/news/a-brutally-honest-book-about-christians-and-aborigines-in-australia
Regarding the original post, it is a photo out of context blaming Christians for Darwinian anthropology.
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