‘Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” 1 Samuel 15.
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What’s your point?
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that the biblical Jesus, in Trinitarian theology, was not always so peace loving and gentle. He commanded the genocide of whole nations and peoples.
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That your god was evidently not always “prolife”.
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So what? Jesus is god, and god is the arbiter of justice in the universe.
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So if a pagan worshipper of Kali justifies child sacrifice by saying Kali is their goddess, would you buy that argument?
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So Jesus orders you to kill babies and you are ok with that?
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WHere has jesus ordered christians to kill babies?
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quranandbibleblog
“So if a pagan worshipper of Kali justifies child sacrifice by saying Kali is their goddess, would you buy that argument?”
That doesn’t make sense.
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Why not? You’re justifying genocide by appealing to Jesus’ status as your god. How is that any different from a pagan justifying human sacrifice by appealing to his god?
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It’s your dumb argument dude, you work it out.
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Lol, and the Christian genocide-defender tries to run away. What a surprise!
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I’m still here – haven’t run away at all. You’re just not making much sense. You’re asserting something without demonstrating it and failing to make a coherent point.
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What am I asserting without demonstrating?
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We’re getting nowhere. Make a point.
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Lol, this is typical Christian behavior. You’re the one going in circles. I’m asking you to clarify what you mean by asserting without demonstrating. I made a point and you refused to respond to it. So either you make a point or just run away.
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Where did you make a point?
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Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself. See my point abI’ve about Kali.
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What on earth are you talking about? You have not even made any sense. You made an assertion, and then asked a question – what is your point? Clarify what you mean and then we can proceed, otherwise we’ll just go round in circles.
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Ok, why don’t we just conclude that you are a clueless apologist who has no business debating on a blog? Obviously, you don’t understand my point about Kali which I why you are running around on circles.
Is there an apologist here who actually knows what he is talking about? This guy Joel seems to have no clue.
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I have been saying that your comments make absolutely no sense – no secret there. What I don’t understand is your point – because you haven’t made one.
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Then maybe you’re like 10 years old and too young to engage in debates. Maybe you should go and watch sesame street instead to pass your time?
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“So if a pagan worshipper of Kali justifies child sacrifice by saying Kali is their goddess, would you buy that argument?”
bro, you dealt with this scum bag before. he has some mental issues.
if there is enough fire work display and miracles , then he will argue that kali has all the right to demand killing of innocent children.
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“So what? Jesus is god, and god is the arbiter of justice in the universe.”
explain how does a god use his justice on people, then sometime down the line use it on himself like a self abuser?
how does god exist as “arbiter of justice” then applies his own justice on part of himself?
he likes being the object of his own punishment ? this is what self abusers do .
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quranandbibleblog
No, I’m not 10.
Okay, here’s my confusion – you make a statement without making a point, and what you say sounds a lot like the kind of things that atheists say. So, are you a liberal atheist arguing a kind of post-modernism that all gods are equally valid?
Again, what are you trying to say?
Oh, and sorry not to have replied sooner, my comments were being moderated and deleted…..
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Lol, good lord! You have got to be the dumbest apologist I have ever across, and I’ve come across many dumb ones!
My point, since you can’t seem to figure it out, is that appealing to your god to excuse the kiIlling of children and babies is no different from a pagan excusing human sacrifice by appealing to his god. You worship a bloodthirsty god who orders the killing of babies. Any decent person would be horrified by such things, but you fanatics make excuses for it. No reasonable person would accept your idiotic excuses.
Now go back to watching Sesame Street…
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Finally, you made a point.
Allah orders the killing of people – how is that different from pagans killing on the orders of their gods? You people make excuses for that too.
So, basically, you are making a dumb argument that ignores the fact of your own god’s commands to commit murder of innocent people? Gotcha…..having made a point, you still don’t make sense.
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“Finally, you made a point.”
LOL, actually the point was made a long time ago. Don’t blame me for you own ineptitude. I didn’t realize that I’m dealing with a simpleton who needs everything to be spelled out for him. 😉
“Allah orders the killing of people – how is that different from pagans killing on the orders of their gods? You people make excuses for that too.”
What a predictable and completely idiotic response! There is a difference between ordering the killing of combatants or criminals and ordering the killing of innocent children and babies. But you sickos just don’t understand that. It’s further proof of the corrupting influence of Christianity. Normal, rational would not excuse baby killing. But unfortunately, Christianity is not a rational religion.
“So, basically, you are making a dumb argument that ignores the fact of your own god’s commands to commit murder of innocent people? Gotcha…..having made a point, you still don’t make sense.”
LOL, you are a total embarrassment dude! How are Elmo and the gang on Sesame Street?
What “innocent people” were murdered at Allah’s command?
And did you just admit that your split personality god ordered the killing of innocent people?
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Joel is a master debater. He’s found the holy grail of debunking any argument. Ladies and gentlemen, wait for it…… Wait for it……The holy grail of winning any argument is…………
“What’s your point?” “You don’t make any sense”
I seriously think that all serious minded apologists should consider studying Joel’s groundbreaking debate technique.
He’s single handedly convinced me to become a Christian! haleluja!
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enarabsbetraktelser
quranandbibleblog did not make an argument – he/she didn’t even make a point. As I wrote above, his/her statement sounded like a post-modernist liberal atheist statement about the equal validity of various often contradictory cultural claims about gods.
If you found his/her statement to be compelling, then I think that no amount of evidence could convince you of the falsity of islam.
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When miscarriages occur who is killing the babies?
If Allah exists it must be him. And it’s many more than the Canaanites who died in the promised land.
Also Job didn’t agree with the Muslims on this blog:
Job 1
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
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your god, jesus,
liked commanding the ripping open of pregnant women , then he did some flesh action when he terrorized pilgrims who were doing what the torah commanded them to do in the temple.
jesus even gave instructions on selling your own daughter
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. —Exodus 21:7-8
yhwh commanded the jews to perform mandatory action in the temple, yet jesus in meat/flesh went and used violence to stop torah mandated practice. did not god in meat who came to bring new covenant not know that nowadays instead of whipping the shit out of people, you can use other humane of monitoring and stopping crime?
jesus’ terrorism did not give a dam about pilgrims who had traveled from far places .
his terroristic action probably caused riots and maybe innocent people were slaughtered because of his deeds
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He made a whip and was whipping people. That’s physical violence. He was preventing people from carrying anything across the courtyard and preventing people from buying and selling animals for sacrifice. He was trying to shut down the Torah mandated function of the Temple altogether at its most busy time and as using physical violence to do so. If a bunch of Muslims went through a church whipping people with bullwhips and trying to shut it down, nobody would say it was not a terrorist attack
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. I call that terroristic but it doesn’t really matter if you accept that word. The point is that it was, in my view (and I was asked for my view) immoral. Unprovoked violence against innocent people is immoral and even more so during the week of Passover because the city was packed with people from the country, the Romans were greatly outnumbered. The city was a powder keg and the Romans were paranoid about any kinds of riots or disturbances and they reacted swiftly and ruthlessly to stop any potential unrest the second it started. They were big bud-nippers, those Romans. Causing that kind of commotion at the Temple could have gotten hundreds or thousands of innocent people killed. It would be an entirely reckless act which would have engendered great tension or dare I say it, terror among the Jewish crowds.
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Erasmus
September 21, 2017 • 7:27 pm
When miscarriages occur who is killing the babies?
I say;
Which court of law told you that miscarriage is a crime? Any court of law will tell you killing babies is a crime.
The Bible said killing innocent person is a crime. babies are innocent, so killing them is a crime. There were so many miscarriages in Moses and Jesus time. None of them said miscarriage is a crime, but certainly killing of innocent babies is a crime. God did not tell us miscarriage is a crime, so you cannot use it as an analogy.
Thanks.
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erASSmus,
so yhwh commanded miscarriage and baby killing?
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That’s a great point. Muslims will often say that nothing can ever happen in creation without it being god’s will – that indicts their own deity when it comes to the death of innocents.
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LOL, idiots compare natural deaths to deliberate acts of murder. That’s Christian logic for you. Christianity essentially makes one a defender of genocide.
The natural world is going to have death. As long as there is natural life, there will be natural death, even at a very young age. That is how life persists. Even so, a decent person never would willingly allow a child to die. A decent person would do everything in their power to save a child.
But a deliberate act of murder is not natural. You pathetic dingbats can’t seem to understand this simple logic. Not surprising, given your laughable trinitarian background…
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faiz, this “ghost” appears as kev, jelly, joel, graham
https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/05/13/do-some-people-think-numbers-31-involved-rape-of-midianites/
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https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/02/25/bible-believing-trinitarians-believe-jesus-uses-violence-and-force/
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Aaah the old switch and bait tactic. All of a sudden from nowhere Allah is responsible for the killing of babies and cattle in the Bible. Jesus who’s doing the actual ordering gets off scot-free.
I think mr Erasmus plays in the same league as mr Joel.
Guys, watch and learn! Truly we are blessed by the presence of masters!
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Jesus is god and god adminsters justice. Are you saying that god cannot administer justice?
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lol trolling is such fun
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Don’t bother with this Joel loser! He says always the same shit: “you don’t make sense, you don’t make sense, I don’t understand what you mean, I don’t understand what you mean”
He never answers the question.
Erasmus your point makes no sense.
Miscarriages are a result of nature’s law (that God put in place). Just like dying of old age.
In the bible your god orders the Israelites to kill others. Not because of nature’s law, but BECAUSE they did something ‘wrong’ centuries ago and as a result steal their land.
You people cry, bitch and whine about Muhammad ordering (actually it’s Sa’ad who ordered it, he made the decision) the killing of the banu Qurayza tribe for their alliance with the Meccans and hence breaking the treaty but yet have absolutely NO problem at all with the atrocities in the OT. And you come up with the most pathetic excuses to justify it just like this erasmus guy did above.
This is exactly why Muslims don’t take you Xtians seriously anymore.
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Belieber
belieber says this…..
..then
Irony anyone? LOL!
And I don’t see how you not being able to answer simple questions about your god’s oneness is somehow my problem. I noticed you ran away from the other thread because you just couldn’t answer a basic question about allah – worse still, you admitted that your god’s oneness attribute is EXACTLY the same as his creatures. You worship a creature, ergo.
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belieber
“You people cry, bitch and whine about Muhammad ordering (actually it’s Sa’ad who ordered it, he made the decision) the killing of the banu Qurayza tribe for their alliance with the Meccans and hence breaking the treaty but yet have absolutely NO problem at all with the atrocities in the OT. And you come up with the most pathetic excuses to justify it just like this erasmus guy did above.
This is exactly why Muslims don’t take you Xtians seriously anymore.
Fallacy of special pleading.
Let’s say I accept your argument, where did mohammed condemn this savagery? Even worse, where did allah command mohammed to kill all these innocent people?
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I didn’t even read your garbage on that thread if u even posted anything lately. No one here takes you seriously.
Pretend you made a valid point as much as you like. Since you already believe in the trinity and your man-god nonsense you’ll believe anything you want anyways. Your trinity is a logical fallacy. End of story.
But you wont admit this. Ever.
You come up with stuff like: we are unitarian so God can’t be unitarian. Firstly there is no such thing as a non-unitarian being unless you want to break the laws of logical. Secondly there is nothing that indicates this being any problem. God is Unitarian. Yes He is one person. You pulled that rule out of your ***.
I already told you that He is omnipotent and uncreated. So that uncreated/omnipotent person is completely different. Then you pull another thing out of your *** to get around that as well by saying that His omnipotence (attribute) is not relevant to his oneness (attribute) attribute but yet you use His omnipotence to prove His Love/Righteousness (which are attributes as well) are different from ours.
You also end your comment by saying I worship a creature. Funny, since I told you many times God is uncreated: a creature = created being => uncreated being = not a creature. Can’t wait for you to pull another joker card out of your *** and work your way around that as well.
“where did mohammed condemn this savagery? Even worse, where did allah command mohammed to kill all these innocent people?”
Muhammad (saw) never condemned it. The Prophet said after Sa’ad made the decision that it was in accordance with the judgement of Allah.
My point was:
There was a reason for executing the men of that tribe: they broke the treaty and sided with the Meccans against the Muslims. That’s treason and thus they were executed. Crosstians always bitch about this ALL the time just like you did by calling it savagery.
In the bible the ‘reason’ for Jesus to order: “Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” Was because of the ‘wrong’ they did centuries ago. Amazing justice. This is obviously far from being ‘savage’.
Your comment earlier just shows you and your other xtian pathetic tactics: “Where has jesus ordered christians to kill babies?”
You’ll hear xtians say: “the authors of the NT identified Jesus as Yahweh by quoting OT passeges and replacing the name Yahweh by Jesus.” Hence trying to prove that Jesus is Yahweh Himself.
Samual 1:5 gives you the answer: “Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, CHILD AND INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When PW asked: So Jesus orders you to kill babies and you are ok with that?
You played your little trick by pretending not to understand and asking him “Where has jesus ordered CHRISTIANS to kill babies?”
You know full well he was talking about OT passages. He gives you the God damn quote at the top of the page.
And the joel troll starts it’s dodging and pretending to make arguments in 3, 2, 1 …
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atlas
“Your trinity is a logical fallacy. End of story.
But you wont admit this. Ever.
Can’t admit something that hasn’t been demonstrated.
” Firstly there is no such thing as a non-unitarian being unless you want to break the laws of logical. Secondly there is nothing that indicates this being any problem. God is Unitarian. Yes He is one person. “
Yes, your god is unitarian just like his creation – he cannot be god, ergo. God cannot have attributes that are EXACTLY like those of his creatures.
“I already told you that He is omnipotent and uncreated. So that uncreated/omnipotent person is completely different. Then you pull another thing out of your *** to get around that as well by saying that His omnipotence (attribute) is not relevant to his oneness (attribute) attribute but yet you use His omnipotence to prove His Love/Righteousness (which are attributes as well) are different from ours.”
Oneness and omnipotence are separate attributes, your point is nonsensical and is a category error fallacy. You can’t explain your god’s oneness with his other attributes – that makes his oneness subject to other attributes and, hence a less significant attribute. That edges towards blahhpemy.
“You also end your comment by saying I worship a creature. Funny, since I told you many times God is uncreated: a creature = created being => uncreated being = not a creature. “
Your “god” possesses EXACTLY the same attribute of oneness as creatures – he must be a creature, ergo.
“Your comment earlier just shows you and your other xtian pathetic tactics: “Where has jesus ordered christians to kill babies?” You’ll hear xtians say: “the authors of the NT identified Jesus as Yahweh by quoting OT passeges and replacing the name Yahweh by Jesus.” Hence trying to prove that Jesus is Yahweh Himself.”
Are you using “Yahweh” in its proper noun sense, or common noun sense – that might explain your inability to make a coherent argument.
Besides, I’m still waiting to hear where jesus has commanded me to kill babies…..
“When PW asked: So Jesus orders you to kill babies and you are ok with that?
You played your little trick by pretending not to understand and asking him “Where has jesus ordered CHRISTIANS to kill babies?”
You know full well he was talking about OT passages. He gives you the God damn quote at the top of the page.”
I replied to PW that jesus is god and god administers justice – do you have a problem with god administering justice? Wouldn’t that turn you to atheism?
And it is classic that when muslim apologists can’t answer a simple question about their beliefs then they start accusing people of trolling. LOL!!
I thought tawheed was simple? If so, you should have no problem telling us how allah’s oneness is different from creatures?
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belieber
“es God exists outside the timeline but I was quoting YOUR scripture you idiot! According to YOU paradise IS God’s realm! And YOU said God’s realm is timeless. I showed you were full of shit by quoting your own bible.”
I know what you were trying to say, but your interpretation is stupid – the text says nowhere that god’s realm is restricted by time.
Now come on, this has gone on for days and all you can come up with is to ask a logically fallacious
question and avoid answering the most important question about your own deity. The entire religion of islam falls flat on its face because muslim apologists can’t answer this simple question about their simple tawheed.
Clearly, allah is exactly like his creatures in his attribute of oneness – he cannot be the true god, ergo.
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Joel is our lord and savior.
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I AM, am I?
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They are, are they?
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yhwh said, “I are 3 ”
“Me ARe one”
jelly, worships one Unitarian god in being , but then each person is in COMPANY of the other person, logically making 3 beings.
then we also have each person in trinity existing as a Unitarian being . “One person”
in the company of another person.
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Burhanuddin1
“They are, are they?”
We is!
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We is Who?
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“We is Who?”
him, his wife and his pet share one human being.
they do action verbs to each other using one human being.
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Obviously every Muslim here believes that that which is identified as “one human” cannot be connected to the ONE God since one humans oneness consists of parts, bits , jigsaw puzzle etc. Gods oneness is not one of parts bits, and pieces.
in trinity on the other hand you need the three to be together to make the one god, so the son is clearly a PART of yhwh. Jelly , congratulations you prick, you worship exactly oneness in the sense of how human is one.
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Just look at the response he wrote to me above. Take a look and have a good laugh.
He says that you can’t use one attribute to explain his oneness but that idiot uses it to explain how Love/Righteousness is different from ours (in another post). I said we are loving so does that mean God can’t be loving cus his attributes have to be different from ours? He responded by saying that his omnipotence makes His Love different from ours. So he uses omnipotence to explain the diff of His Love to ours. What a moron.
A, B and C = X and yet they are not equal to one and other. Here’s the logical fallacy. I told this to him many times but he never addresses it.
He SO DESPERATELY wants our oneness to be different from God. But the funny thing is that the Father is unitarian and so are the Son and the HS. So we have an attribute that is the same as each person in the pagan triune godhead. So by his logic they are now creatures to.
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” ONE God since one humans oneness consists of parts, bits , jigsaw puzzle etc. Gods oneness is not one of parts bits, and pieces.”
Which oneness of Allah does not consist of parts?
Which oneness of humans consists of parts?
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belieber
Dang! You got so badly exposed in the other thread you had to change your online identity. LOL!!
Anyways, sad to see that you are so dumb. Nowhere have I used god’s attributes to explain his other attributes – you just don’t understand what I said. Not my fault.
God’s love is perfect in that he is unconditionally loving, god’s justice is perfect in that all sin is addressed. Human justice and love are not perfect. How that is using some attributes to explain others is not clear.
Now back to allah’s oneness – what was it you said about how it is different to ours? Oh, that’s right, NOTHING, you can’t answer this simple question about your simple tawheed. It’s time for you to admit that you worship a creature whose oneness is no different than the oneness of the world’s other creatures.
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“Which oneness of humans consists of parts?”
human is made up of many different things.
blood, flesh, bones etc
Gods oneness is free from composition
composition
kɒmpəˈzɪʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the nature of something’s ingredients or constituents; the way in which a whole or mixture is made up.
now if you can’t understand this “defend krist” aka erASSmus, then go pretend you are your dog and human at the same time
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heathcliff
“human is made up of many different things.
blood, flesh, bones etc
Gods oneness is free from composition”
That’s a bit silly bro. You just basically said that your god’s oneness is tantamount to him not existing.
LOL!!
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“You just basically said that your god’s oneness is tantamount to him not existing.”
can you tell me little BITCH /dog/ lun what is “one” in “one person” ?
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I wanted to have an account and it wouldn’t allow me to use the same name. So that’s why I changed it. So expectable you would make that comment like a little kid. No one here thinks you made a single valid argument except you and erassmus.
You said: “Nowhere have I used god’s attributes to explain his other attributes ”
Now to show you are a lying scumbag just like your paul of tarsus:
“The true god is eternally (another attribute) loving”
You used the attribute eternality to give the distinction between His love (attribute) and ours.
“God’s will, mind, freedom to choose are all SUBJECT to his omniscience (another attribute) – we are not omniscient so our wills, minds and freedom to choose are radically different to god’s.”
Yet again you use another attribute (like I said you did: omniscience) to show the distinctions between His attributes and ours.
“god’s justice is perfect in that all sin is addressed” Here you use countless of attributes to come to that conclusion. You use omniscience, All-Knowing (you have to know everything in order to address them), you use All-Powerfull (same reasoning), All-Merciful because the way He addresses them (by dying according to you your god pays for the evil of others which contradicts justice in the first place), and obviously His Existence (He can’t address anything If He doesn’t exist).
So you can’t even follow your own rules which you pulled out of your ass. So you fail again. Congrats.
And like I said in my previous comment: the individuals in the pagan triune godhead are unitarian. They are all God! So their oneness is just like ours. So according to you that makes them creatures. Three creatures that together make up the triune god who doesn’t exist.
Thank God I’m not a retarded crosstian.
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belieber
I knew you wouldn’t understand.
Where did I say that god’s love is different BECAUSE it is eternal? God’s love is perfect because it is unconditional, and his justice is perfect because ALL sin is rectified. Having said that to say god’s love is eternal makes sense in a way that to say allah’s “oneness is eternal” does not.
It does not explain allah’s oneness, nor how it is different from a goat’s – you obviously cannot answer this question about the supposedly “simple” tawheed.
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“Where did I say that god’s love is different BECAUSE it is eternal?”
Go to the other thread and read your own shit and you’ll see. I am quoting you idiot.
“God’s will, mind, freedom to choose are all SUBJECT to his omniscience (another attribute) – we are not omniscient so our wills, minds and freedom to choose are radically different to god’s.”
You are using His omniscience to explain other attributes being different from ours.
And you didn’t answer my points. You have a lot of ‘you don’t understand’ cards up your ass.
The individuals in the pagan triune godhead are unitarian. They are all God! So their oneness is just like ours. So according to you that makes them like goats. Three goats that together make up the triune god who doesn’t exist.
Amazing how you try to dodge everything.
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belieber
Tell me, where doe sit say that will, mind and freedom to choose are attributes of your goat god?
Regardless, you keep on embarrassing yourself with your dumb comments. Citing allah’s supposed eternality does not explain his oneness – you are effectively saying that his oneness and his eternalness are the same. They are not – you are making a category error.
You can’t explain the different nature of god’s love by citing his attribute of inability to sin – it doesn’t make sense. Your stupid argument that allah’s oneness is different because allah is eternal follows this same pattern of stupidity – it explains nothing.
Please admit that your god’s oneness is like the oneness of animals.
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Joel and erAssmus is God or the godhead a being or is it a nature?
Erasmus, I’m sorry for calling you erAssmus. But you have to admit, it’s hilarious! I chuckle every time i think about it.
Is it ok if I call you erASSmus? If you say yes, you’re a comical genious.
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Ask yourself the same question about Allah your God.
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enarabsbetraktelser
“Joel and erAssmus is God or the godhead a being or is it a nature?”
What kind of dumb question is this? Can you explain how the oneness of the thing you worship is different to the oneness of, let’s say, a goat?
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You see you can insult me as much you like. I would never return the favor by insulting your god(s) or any gods for that matter be they hindu or whatever.
What happened to turn the other cheek? Instead you up the ante by insulting God. You christians, once again showcasing your hypocrisy for everyone to see. It’s difficult to follow Jesus teachings about loving your enemy and turning the other cheek, but when it comes to idolatry you have no problems following that. You even go further by trying to find as much idolatry in the bible as you can so that you can wallow in filth.
By the way I’ll take your answer as a yes erASSSSSSmus.
You and your butt buddy Joel do please answer my question concerning the godhead.
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Where did I insult your god? I asked a simple question about your god’s oneness and have gotten insulted over several threads – meanwhile no one has been able to answer. Comparing allah’s oneness to the oneness of a goat or any other animal is the logical conclusion to the claim that allah’s oneness is just like his creatures.
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can you tell me what does “one” mean
in “one person”
from a group of 3
the daddy of jesus is the LEADER in trinity, the other TWO INDIVIDUALS are DOMINATED by the daddy.
WTF is this?
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what christianity does to the mind is evident in this video
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“That’s a bit silly bro. You just basically said that your god’s oneness is tantamount to him not existing.
LOL!!”
do you have one soul or does the one holy ghost currently mate inside your body making you 2 souls in one body?
can you explain the composition of the one soul? what is it made up of ? is it one or two or three or 4 , does it even exist? since one person from trinity is up you, what does “one ” mean here?
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I asked him that question but the crosstian doesn’t wanna answer. Each person in the godhead is a unitarian. So they are according to joel the buffoon 3 goats that make up his triune godhead.
Buahahahahahahaaha!!!!
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lol, when jesus was praying to one person in heaven and reffered to him as only true god, then that person was like one goat in heaven. if i ever met this piece of shit in real life i would beat the shit out of him so much that i would split him into 3.
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Three parts that are different and yet all equal to joel.
I wouldn’t beat him at all. He is just brainwashed brother. I mean you have seen it yourself the LENGTHS these polytheist have to go to to justify having one god is just mind baffling. And after all that they have the audacity to come up with the most retarded things to make their non-existing/logic mutilating god concept non-retarded.
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“Each person in the godhead is a unitarian.”
Don’t be stupid. The trinity is so simple that the fact that mohammed could not get it right is absolute proof that his “revelations” came from a being that was ignorant and hence, not god.
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heathcliff
“do you have one soul or does the one holy ghost currently mate inside your body making you 2 souls in one body?
can you explain the composition of the one soul? what is it made up of ? is it one or two or three or 4 , does it even exist?”
LOL!!! I don’t have the answers to these questions, and neither did mohammed. Can you answer these dumb questions? No one knows how souls work.
You just can’t get past the fact that your god’s oneness is exactly like the oneness of animals.
“since one person from trinity is up you, what does “one ” mean here?”
It means that god is omnipresent and that he has plurality within his oneness. Allah – according to you – becomes his creatures because he knows and experiences every detail about them, and his oneness is the same as the animals.
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” I mean you have seen it yourself the LENGTHS these polytheist have to go to to justify having one god is just mind baffling.”
Christians aren’t polytheists – we believe that god’s oneness is unique and completely unlike the oneness of his creatures. What do you beliebe? Allah is EXACTLY like his creatures in his oneness.
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“since one person from trinity is up you, what does “one ” mean here?”
“It means that god is omnipresent ”
did i ask a RETARD like you about an ADJECTIVE?
did i ask for a descriptor?
i asked you specifically what “one ” in “one person” means
so you have a person FROM a group of 3 currently in you like at baptism of jesus a person went in jesus.
“and that he has plurality within his oneness.”
how much of “his” currently is IN you?
is 1 god,fully god, complete god IDENTIFIED as “ghost” currently in you?
i am asking about what the SINGULAr person in that plurality consists of ?
is 1 person 2 things in 1 person? is it 18 parts MAKING up 1 person?
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“Christians aren’t polytheists – we believe that god’s oneness is unique and completely unlike the oneness of his creatures.”
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.”
how many is “only the father” ? is it 2 , 3, 6 , 8 , 10 making up “the father” ?
jesus’ one person was 2 DIFFERENT things making up the SAME person LOL
when 2 different things spoke the verse above, how MANY was he talking about in heaven?
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“we believe that god’s oneness is unique and completely unlike the oneness of his creatures.”
quote :
define company
the fact or condition of being with another or others, especially in a way that provides friendship and enjoyment.
since members of the trinity ENJOY each other, then they are a company.
how can you worship members which enjoy each other and tell your self you are not a POLYTHEIST?
you can lie to yourself and say you worship 3 different things existing as 1 thing, but EVERYONE on earth recognize that you are polytheists.
i am sure in your private prayers to the triplets , you see COLLECTION .
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This is your response??? This is your answer? Your triune godhead has three PERSONS in them idiot!
That means they are unitarian! So according to you that makes them goats. And the only thing you could do was to say:
“Don’t be stupid. The trinity is so simple that the fact that mohammed could not get it right is absolute proof that his “revelations” came from a being that was ignorant and hence, not god.”
Even you know that this doesn’t answer the question. You’ve been bitchslapped so hard by everyone. Pathetic.
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And Muhammad (saw) understood your pagan belief perfectly. You have been listening to Jimmy Shakespeare a lot. He says: Don’t say three. There is only one God.
He accused you of being polytheists which is exactly what your are no matter what verbal gymnastics you want to use to justify your belief. A belief which was never taught in the OT.
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Christians believe that the oneness of yahweh is unique to him and him alone. His oneness is not like ours or a goats. Allah’s oneness – according to your own admission – is EXACTLY like a goat’s and other animals’.
And no, I have not been bitchslapped once – it is you guys who can’t answer a simple question about your creature feature god.
“And Muhammad (saw) understood your pagan belief perfectly. “
No he didn’t – else why couldn’t he describe the trinity accurately? Why did he leave us with the confusion that the trinity consists of allah, jesus and mary, the sister of moses and aaron, and daughter of imran?
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“it is you guys who can’t answer a simple question about your creature feature god.”
Your moronic question has been answered by everyone. You just keep repeating yourself to try and give the impression that you and your pagan belief haven’t been bitchslapped by everyone. He one person but that one person is different from us because an uncreated/eternal/all powerful/etc person is different from us. Then you just started bitching about how I can’t use His other attributes to make that point while you used some of His attributes (in particular omniscience and eternality) to explain how His other attributes are different from ours. I quoted your shit remember.
“God’s will, mind, freedom to choose are all SUBJECT to his omniscience (another attribute) – we are not omniscient so our wills, minds and freedom to choose are radically different to god’s.” This is what YOU said (and this is just one quote btw). Even after quoting your shit you just lie and lie denying you ever did such a thing.
“else why couldn’t he describe the trinity accurately?” The Quran says clearly: ‘Don’t say trinity. Desist, it will be better for you. There is only one God.’ It’s telling you are polytheists. It’s not concerned with what you think you believe or your verbal gymnastics to try and justify it. Like it says in another ayah that they have taken their rabbis and priests as lords/gods beside Him. A Christian convert to Islam after hearing this said to the Prophet (saw) that they don’t really worship them. He replied that they certainly did because the priests/rabbis made what’s haram halal and vice versa and by following them they really worshiped them. Just like with the trinity the Quran is not concerned what people say they believe and their verbal gymnastics but it just says what their belief is. Your belief is polytheism whether you agree with it or not. You ask why he couldn’t describe the trinity accurately (he did and calls it polytheism just like I explained above but didn’t give the 381 creed if that’s what your asking) but it’s funny your comicbook never mentions the concept of the trinity. A belief which is the center of your faith. And the fact that it took your early church daddies 3.5 centuries to make it official shows just how incompetent your pagan god is.
“Why did he leave us with the confusion that the trinity consists of allah, jesus and mary, the sister of moses and aaron, and daughter of imran?”
Clearly you have listened to Jimmy’s bullshit for too long. Using his pathetic arguments to make a point. The Quran addresses not just trinitarians but others who elevate Mary to a level which is considered shirk. Jimmy’s arrogance and pride that he thinks everything and everyone should circumambulate HIS pagan beliefs is just astounding. The Quran never says that the trinity is Allah, Jesus and Mary. You’re arguing from silence. The Quran is addressing those that take Jesus and Mary to an elevated to state like the Catholics. The status of Mary in Catholicism is considered shirk whether you want to agree with it or not. No one says that the Catholics consider Mary to be a Creator, a literal GOD. Just by that elevated statue they are committing shirk.
Then you change the topic even more (because you can’t answer the questions and you are running out of Shakespearean literature to bullshit your way out of everything) by talking about Mary being the sister of Moses according to the Quran. You know what the Islamic answer to that is. Whether you like it or not is not my problem. But if you have a problem with the Islamic position then what will you do with Jesus messing up the two Zacharias in the bible: in Matthew 23:35 he mistakes Zacharia the son of Barachiah with the OT Zacharia the son of Jehoiada (II Chronicles 24:20-21).
But let’s stay on topic kid. Are you going to admit you’re just lying through your teeth (like your lord and savior paul of tarsus) when you said that you didn’t use his attributes to explain His other attributes being different from ours. I’ll give you your own quote AGAIN:
“God’s will, mind, freedom to choose are all SUBJECT to his OMNISCIENCE (another attribute) – WE ARE NOT OMNISCIENT so our wills, minds and freedom to choose are radically different to god’s.”
Secondly apply your own ‘logic’ (whatever the hell that means to a trinitarian) to your PERSONS in the godhead. They are ALL unitarian. So according to your ‘logic’ they are like goats. Three creatures who together are the divine triune god.
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‘Don’t say THREE* . Desist, it will be better for you. There is only one God.’
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partridge, you have done a right off on him . he is not even category in
Category A
Scrap only. For cars so badly damaged they should be crushed and never re-appear on the road. Even salvageable parts must be destroyed.
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belieber
You are the one who got so badly owned that you had to change your online identity! LOL!!
Anyways, it is always a sign of desperation when someone writes a wall of incoherent text that really doesn’t say anything when all they have been asked to do is explain something simple about their beliefs.
No one has been able to answer the question…how is allah’s different from the animals in creation? According to you, goat’s share EXACTLY the same oneness as allah.
Tell me, where in the list does it say that one of your goat god’s attributes is “will”, or “freedom to choose”. LOL!!
Even if you somehow torture the list’s text to claim that “will” is an attribute, you completely missed the point my low IQ pal. You can’t use the attribute of eternity to describe allah’s goatness/oneness since it explains nothing. When we die, we’ll be eternal – if we repent to jesus – which according to you means that we also will be of the same kind of oneness as allah.
FAIL!!!
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Like I said you didn’t respond to anything. You are an idiot joel. You wont even dare to apply your moronic ‘logic’ to the individuals in your pagan godhead. You have dodged EVERYTHING I said. Apply your own shit to your UNITARIAN god(s) in the triune godhead. They are all unitarian. So your attempt sucks ass as does your entire religion. Dare to take up this challenge? I guess not cus you’re a loser.
God has a will and freedom to choose. How are those not attributes? Do you even know what an attribute is? A characteristic or some quality is an attribute. Freedom to choose is a quality (which plants for example don’t have) and hence an attribute. Your linguistic mutilation makes my IQ plummet. Are you that stupid or you’re just acting like it?
If you still believe in your accusations like me getting a different name (even after I explicitly said I couldn’t use the same name because it wouldn’t allow me since I wanted to have an account on this website) then that’s your choice and nothing that I’ll say will ever change that.
“it is always a sign of desperation when someone writes a wall of incoherent text that really doesn’t say anything when all they have been asked to do is explain something simple about their beliefs.”
No. It is a sign of desperation when one reads such text and clearly sees that his lies are shown. I gave you your own quotes. You didn’t even address them. You lied about not using his attributes (omniscience and eternality) to make a distinction about His other attributes (love, mind, freedom, will) and ours.
““God’s will, mind, freedom to choose are all SUBJECT to his OMNISCIENCE (another attribute) – WE ARE NOT OMNISCIENT so our wills, minds and freedom to choose are radically different to god’s.”” Your linguistic mutilation don’t make your own shitty quotes go away.
What a lying piece shitstain you are.
It is a sign of desperation when all your shit has been refuted like the trinity in the Quran, Mary sister of Moses (you want to explain how Jesus messed up the two Zecharias?), Allah being different from us (even though you’re gonna repeat yourself again and just ignore everything I said again and again), etc.
“According to you, goat’s share EXACTLY the same oneness as allah.” According to you, every person in the pagan godhead share EXACTLY the same oneness as a goat. Thanks for showing me you’re a moron. Keep those shitty comments coming. I take a massive enjoyment bitchslapping you every around like this. You probably think I get frustrated and just want to give up. But it’s amazing cus you are getting stamped on in every comment and you still think you’re winning. Delusion is a crosstian’s best friend and logic his worst enemy.
“where in the list does it say that one of your goat god’s attributes is “will”, or “freedom to choose””
What list? You mean the 99 names of God? So are you saying we believe that every attribute of God can be found in those attributes? They are names idiot. That doesn’t mean we believe they are the only attributes of God.
Now you’re just desperately trying to redefine words like the ones above to not make them seem attributes in order to cover up the quote I posted of you again and again.
“When we die, we’ll be eternal – if we repent to jesus – which according to you means that we also will be of the same kind of oneness as allah.”
I said: that one person (Allah) is different from us because an uncreated/eternal/all powerful/etc person is different from us. I didn’t just say an eternal person is different from us. And saying eternality doesn’t just mean He has no ending but this often refers to having no beginning as well (even though the term points to the future in a literal sense). God is literally outside the timeline (He created time). That’s why you’ll hear people say often ‘God has eternally existed’ like Jimmy White. But we haven’t eternally existed. If you still want to bitch about this then bitch about your own comments as well cus you used eternality too you idiot. I gave you the quotes how many times?
So the Son who is a unitarian (and thus according to you a goat) is a creature whom you worship. When you read the part where I mentioned your gods being unitarian who up one god (by committing a logical fallacy) you probably thought ‘O shit I didn’t see that one coming. How am I gonna get around that? I just talked out of my ass and repeated again and again how Allah’s oneness is exactly the same as ours. But my own pagan godhead has even THREE unitarians in it. I know!!! Don’t address this even ones!!! Just repeat yourself joel. He’ll eventually give up. And throw some lols in there just to make it seem that I’m somehow doing great.’
How is the oneness of each person in your pagan godhead different from ours? I’ll let you answer that. Good luck with it kid!
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You know what’s even more amazing joel the trinitarian idiot.
We say that Allah is the one your scripture calls the Father. Buy you say he is like a goat. So you have been making fun of yourself this entire time.
Buahahahaha!
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jelly has been writ off my atlas, the holy goat has forsaken him.
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Indeed he has!
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“God has a will and freedom to choose. How are those not attributes? Do you even know what an attribute is? A characteristic or some quality is an attribute. Freedom to choose is a quality (which plants for example don’t have) and hence an attribute. Your linguistic mutilation makes my IQ plummet. Are you that stupid or you’re just acting like it?”
Show me where these are cited as your god’s attributes…..
Also, another ignorant wall of text does not cover up the fact that you have been owned – badly.
“I said: that one person (Allah) is different from us because an uncreated/eternal/all powerful/etc person is different from us. I didn’t just say an eternal person is different from us. And saying eternality doesn’t just mean He has no ending but this often refers to having no beginning as well (even though the term points to the future in a literal sense). God is literally outside the timeline (He created time). That’s why you’ll hear people say often ‘God has eternally existed’ like Jimmy White. But we haven’t eternally existed. If you still want to bitch about this then bitch about your own comments as well cus you used eternality too you idiot. I gave you the quotes how many times?”
See what a moron you are? According to your ignorance, humans who enter eternal paradise can BECOME like allah in allah’s oneness, living forever. Whether or not we have a beginning becomes irrelevant once humans enter god’s realm because it is outside of time, notions of beginning or end ceased to have meaning. You become an eternal oneness like your god. It isn’t hard for most people to understand.
“So the Son who is a unitarian (and thus according to you a goat) is a creature whom you worship. When you read the part where I mentioned your gods being unitarian who up one god (by committing a logical fallacy) you probably thought ‘O shit I didn’t see that one coming. How am I gonna get around that? I just talked out of my ass and repeated again and again how Allah’s oneness is exactly the same as ours. But my own pagan godhead has even THREE unitarians in it. I know!!! Don’t address this even ones!!! Just repeat yourself joel. He’ll eventually give up. And throw some lols in there just to make it seem that I’m somehow doing great.’”
This is circular – you have presumed the consequent in your argument but your premise is what you should be proving. I’ve illustrated clearly, how yahweh’s oneness contains plurality, you have failed to explain how a goat’s oneness differs from allah’s.
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“My goat, my goat, why hast thou forsaken me?”
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qb
That’s all you’ve got! LOL!!
You guys are STUMPED, so now you need to mock. You cannot defend your stupid tawheed – you have no idea how allah’s oneness differs from a goat’s or any other animal.
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LOL, ooh foolish little Joel is mad!
You have been schooled on this matter already. There is no need for me to beat a dead horse…or is it goat? 😉
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Thank you for your Shakespearean bullshit!
“Show me where these are cited as your god’s attributes”
You’re just inventing rules as you go along! Now you want a citation of someone for them to be an attribute. An attribute is a quality or a characteristic!!! That’s what the word LITERALLY means!
So freedom to choose and will are by definition attributes. Changing the words meanings, making up rules, etc. What else wan you say to not get bitchslapped again?
“Whether or not we have a beginning becomes irrelevant once humans enter god’s realm because it is outside of time, notions of beginning or end ceased to have meaning.”
If we leave this universe after our deaths then we”ll still have a beginning you idiot. Dying and moving on to the next life doesn’t make our beginning go away. How is that irrelevant?
It is outside of time? Can you provide some proof for that or are you pulling that one out of your arse as well? Being outside the timeline doesn’t mean you don’t have a beginning. There is probably a timeline bu that timeline might be different in many ways. We can’t and don’t know what’s outside this universe (except what God may have revealed to us). To claim as such is foolish.
Btw you still deliberately ignore the attributes ‘uncreated/All-powerful/All-Hearing/…’ that only belong to God. You just picked one and you started bitching about while you used it yourself.
“This is circular – you have presumed the consequent in your argument”
You have THREE persons in your godhead idiot! That means they are unitarian!
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
We say that Allah is what your scripture calls the Father. So you are saying the Father is a goat!
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
Perhaps if I ask you 6 times in one comment you’ll try and answer it instead of avoiding it but I doubt that.
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“I’ve illustrated clearly, how yahweh’s oneness contains plurality, you have failed to explain how a goat’s oneness”
you demonstrated jack .
lol
bro faiz check out the words
CONTAINS
3 things IN one?
gods ATTRIBUTES exist OUTSIDE his person ?
no wonder jesus can pop in and out lol
trinity is like a company . yhwh is open
explain WHAT one person IN god means?
we are all ears
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In God’s realm there is no time he said.
Genesis 2:
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
He is resting on the seventh day (your god gets tired apparently). Even your god (not just his creation) is resting on a DAY. Whatever that day may be it is still a reference to TIME.
THEN God blessed…
Then? That’s a reference to time.
“NOW the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden” Now??? Another reference to time.
““You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for WHEN you eat from it you WILL certainly die.” More reference to time.
“WHEN the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 THEN the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked”
Etc etc etc.
So according to your scripture God’s realm has a timeline in it.
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“He is resting on the seventh day (your god gets tired apparently). Even your god (not just his creation) is resting on a DAY”
BRO, he SPOKE so much and he took a BREATHER. honest to God thats exactly what the arabic says when the hebrew is translated into arabic
to much “let there be….”
god had to catch his breath.
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belieber
You are so stupid. You said in one of your last posts that god exists outside of time – do you only have one quarter of a brain? Now you claiming that god is subject to time. You are an idiot and still unable to answer a simple question about allah’s oneness/goatness.
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Buahahahha! Yes God exists outside the timeline but I was quoting YOUR scripture you idiot! According to YOU paradise IS God’s realm! And YOU said God’s realm is timeless. I showed you were full of shit by quoting your own bible.
You have addressed absolutely nothing. Hahahaha I just love this idiot!!!
Allah (which is according to Islamic position the one your scripture calls the Father) is one person just like us. But this person is uncreated, All-powerful, etc and that’s what makes Him different. You don’t like this answer, I don’t care. That’s my answer. Now give use your answer.
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
I asked you this SO many times but you dodge it every single time. I even repeated it 6 times in previous comment.
Pathetic!
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So your prophet is wrong? Allah has more attributes than the 99 your prophet knows about? You are greater than your prophet and you might one day attain the same eternal oneness of the creature you worship.
“Btw you still deliberately ignore the attributes ‘uncreated/All-powerful/All-Hearing/…’ that only belong to God. You just picked one and you started bitching about while you used it yourself.”
So you can explain allah’s oneness by his attribute of being all hearing? LOL!! He is all hearing so his oneness is unique?!! You idiot.
“You have THREE persons in your godhead idiot! That means they are unitarian!
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???”
You are too stupid to see how illogical your question is. You presumed the conclusion you fool. Try harder, start by explaining your allah’s oneness, and why we should worship a being whose oneness can be attained goats and spiders if allah wills them onto your brothel paradise.
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You’re calling the Father a goat you blaspheming little shitstain.
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My Goodness!!!!
Those are 99 NAMES you idiot! NAMES!!!! Do you know what the word ‘name’ means. These names have attribute values to them. You want the Prophet to give 20 thousand attributes in the Quran?
So according to you just because he doesn’t say something that as quality/characteristic of God that means that he didn’t know. LOL! Arguing from silence as fuck.
“You presumed the conclusion” What conclusion??? That the three in your pagan godhead are unitarians???? A unitarian means ONE person which is exactly what the Father/Son/HS is. Are you saying that they are not unitarian. Are you gonna break your shitty to pieces now?
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I gave you the answer a million times. God is unitarian. We are unitarian. But that one person is uncreated, All-Hearing, … while we are NOT! So that one person is different from us. You don’t like this answer but I don’t care. Can you finally answer this please:
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
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partridge, what is going on bro?
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An attribute is a QUALITY/CHARACTERISTIC my dear little shit! Because it is not quoted by someone means that they don’t have that quality??? Does God have a will or not? Does He have the freedom to choose or not? Jesus says in your comicbook: don’t do as I will but as the Father wills. So according to your scripture the Father (which we call Allah) has a will.
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Just slapping this joel retard around. Other than that, not much going on.
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belieber
You must everyone is as stupid as you are.
So allah’s attribute one being the “single”, Unique”, or One” is not actually an attribute, it’s just a name? The attribute of being all-seeing is not an attribute of omniscience, it’s just a name? LOL!!
You have lost the script.
Still avoiding answering the question about allah’s goatiness?
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Your god is no different to a stinky goat in his oneness – no wonder you have resort to insults and misrepresentation. Your entire worldview is collapsing before our eyes.
Please tell me how you can explain allah’s oneness by his attribute of all-hearing.
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what is the problem about insult, jesus told you to endure till the end, are you losing faith in your gods budist philosophy ? let the flesh get beaten the shit out of, but imagine you are in heaven?
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You must everyone is as stupid as you are.
So allah’s attribute one being the “single”, Unique”, or One” is not actually an attribute, it’s just a name? The attribute of being all-seeing is not an attribute of omniscience, it’s just a name? LOL!!
You have lost the script.
Still avoiding answering the question about allah’s goatiness?
“So allah’s attribute one being the “single”, Unique”, or One” is not actually an attribute, it’s just a name? The attribute of being all-seeing is not an attribute of omniscience, it’s just a name? LOL!!”
Where do you see me say that those names aren’t attributes. Let me quote what I said again my dear little shit:
“Those are 99 NAMES you idiot! NAMES!!!! Do you know what the word ‘name’ means. These names have ATTRIBUTE values to them.” So no I said exactly the opposite of what you imply. It’s not my problem you’re so retarded.
“Still avoiding answering the question about allah’s goatiness?”
Nop I gave you the answer. He is unitarian. We are unitarian (but He is omniscient/All-pwerfull/All-Hearing/etc). That’s not enough for you but like I said I don’t care. You want to still think that He is like us creature then ok my friend. Have fun with it. Since you still believe that that makes Him (Allah who is according to the Islamic position the one you call the Father in the holey bible) a creature then explain to me:
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US???
Please Enlighten me. I need your pagan guidance!
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Joel
September 23, 2017 • 8:13 am
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” I mean you have seen it yourself the LENGTHS these polytheist have to go to to justify having one god is just mind baffling.”
Christians aren’t polytheists – we believe that god’s oneness is unique and completely unlike the oneness of his creatures. What do you beliebe? Allah is EXACTLY like his creatures in his oneness
I say;
God is one and un-created. Humans are created and are many. So, because humans are created many they can be counted more than one i.e. 2,3,4,5,6…….
God is one and un-created and so cannot be counted more than 1. So, 2,3,4…….persons God are polytheism while only one person God who is only and alone is monotheism.
If God by being One that cannot be added or counted is not unique to you but the God that has other persons added or counted like humans is unique to you, then God save you. Your brain is dead.
Thanks.
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“what is the problem about insult, jesus told you to endure till the end, are you losing faith in your gods budist philosophy ? let the flesh get beaten the shit out of, but imagine you are in heaven?”
Brother please let him! He is turning the cheeks every time he writes a comment so I can bitchslap him. Such a nice lad.
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Names with “attribute” values “attached” to them? That makes a whole lot of nonsense, you idiot. Allah’s “oneness” is merely an attribute “attachment”? LOL!!
Dude, your god is going burn you in hell for that blasphemy.
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My dear little shitstain.
You are deliberately going of road and deliberately misunderstanding me.
His names are also attributes. That’s what I meant and that’s all I meant. Simple as that.
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
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HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
Hmmm I’m starting to wonder if repeating the question will actually make you answer them.
You’re a worthy opponent joel.
Buahahahahaaha! No, you’re not! Just an idiot.
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““Which oneness of humans consists of parts?”
human is made up of many different things.
blood, flesh, bones etc”
It’s not the oneness of the physical parts that is analogous to God’s being.
“Gods oneness is free from composition”
What part of God are you referring to?
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what the heck does THREE mean erASSmus?
what does EACH from this THREE consist of ?
three what?
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your polythiest friend said :
“plurality within his oneness”
WHAT DEFINITION do you hold to , erASSmus?
oneness
ˈwʌnnəs/Submit
noun
1.
the fact or state of being unified or whole, though comprised of two or more parts.
“the oneness of all suffering people”
2.
the fact or state of being one in number.
“holding to the oneness of God the Father as the only God”
do you worship plurality of parts which are not fully god ? or do you worship plurality of parts which are EACH fully god, 1 god, whole god?
do you pray to a COLLECTION of one’s ? collection of things?
do you sometime feel like a polytheist in your prayer erASSmus?
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In Christianity three persons are ONE and the SAME God.
““Gods oneness is free from composition”
In what category of thing does Allah’s oneness exist?
Wikepedia:
“In ontology, the different kinds or ways of being are called categories of being or simply categories. To investigate the categories of being is to determine the most fundamental and the broadest classes of entities. A distinction between such categories, in making the categories or applying them, is called an ontological distinction.”
Still waiting for an answer. I don’t think you are capable of giving an answer. You would be the first Muslim to give one.
It’s no reflection on you. You just believe in an irrational religion.
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“In Christianity three persons are ONE and the SAME God.”
your statement seem to have unitarianized the one god.
you are saying that each person is existing AS the same god.
3 THINGS existing as the SAME thing. so do you now accept that 3 things are not IN 1 thing, but 3 things ARE 1 thing?
you no longer have 3 DISTINCT persons.
just read your words again. you have KILLED the idea of distinction and difference, you just “unitarianized ” your trinity. YOU have no COMMUNICATIONS between the two, no love making , no TALKING, no SENDING etc
you just UNITARIANIZED your gods
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“three persons are ONE and the SAME God”
why are you RUNNING from explaining WHAT THE heck “one PERSON ” means
i asked you REPEATEDLY, explain what “one” means in “one person”
one what?
is person just a 1 conscious thing without ANY attributes?
is it DEFORMED?
is it HANDICAPPED?
what is it? is 1 person 1 or is it 3 which makes up 1 person?
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heathcliff
You are not intelligent.
Any healthy star is three things existing as one – it is a nuclear chain reaction that begets light and emits heat. Light and heat and the chain reaction exist simultaneously as the sun.
Light is the sun.
Heat is the sun.
Nuclear chain reaction is the sun.
Light is not heat.
heat is not light.
The chain reaction is is not light or heat.
Heat and light are not the chain reaction.
Yet the sun is one body consisting of all three separate components, none exist without the other.
Your objection is roundly refuted.
Go back to worshiping stones.
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“Any healthy star is three things existing as one – it is a nuclear chain reaction that begets light and emits heat. Light and heat and the chain reaction exist simultaneously as the sun.
Light is the sun.
Heat is the sun.
Nuclear chain reaction is the sun.
Light is not heat.
heat is not light.
The chain reaction is is not light or heat.
Heat and light are not the chain reaction.
Yet the sun is one body consisting of all three separate components, none exist without the other.”
the father (sun) created and caused son (heat ) and light (ghost) ?
the father reacted and caused son and light ?
did the father love himself in a strange way that he caused the other two?
where did energy go in your analogy?
what does “one” mean in “one person” ?
how does that WHICH has everything THE other has need to REACT in order to FORM the other? what KIND of retardedness is this?
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so notice how you understand your gods ONENESS? in light of that which is created ergo yhwhs oneness is the same oneness as CREATION .
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“You are not intelligent.”
your god is a fukin nuclear fusion .
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heathcliff
Idiot.
Light an heat are not created by the chain reaction – they exist as the chain reaction begins. That’s the point – all three components co-exist, do not exist separately from each other, are not the same, but are all the sun.
It’s an analogy.
Now maybe you can explain how allah’s oneness is different from a goat’s?
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“but are all the sun.”
they are part of the sun dumb christian. they are NOT “the sun”
nobody except a christian identifies HEAT or HEAT from the sun as “the sun”
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heathcliff
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Yes, they ARE the sun. A healthy sun exists as light, heat, and a nuclear chain reaction. There is no such thing as a healthy “sun” that does not comprise these components. The sun is one body that is the combination of all these phenomena.
Likewise, God is one being, comprising father, son, and holy spirit.
Allah is a goat.
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Light an heat are not created by the chain reaction – they exist as the chain reaction begins. That’s the point – all three components co-exist”
quote :
The core of the sun is so hot and there is so much pressure, nuclear fusion takes place: hydrogen is changed to helium. Nuclear fusion creates heat and photons (light).
here we see the EXISTENCE of pressure which exists
fusion which exists
changes which exist
and gases which exist
is the trinity more than 3 different things?
now can you answer this question. if one person from a group of three has everything the other has, why is there a need for this type of reproduction ?
none of the caused things are identified as the sun , but only in the mind of christian.
they are PART of the sun
CREATED by the nuclear activities . the sun is not co-existing with another sun fully as 1 sun in the SAME place.
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heathcliff
It’s an analogy you fool that works extremely well. You are just too dumb to understand it.
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Lol, oh the irony of foolish little Joel. The pipsqueak doesn’t realize how bad and heretical his “analogy” really is!
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“Yes, they ARE the sun. A healthy sun exists as light, heat, and a nuclear chain reaction.”
sun light is the sun ?
sunlight
ˈsʌnlʌɪt/Submit
noun
light from the sun.
why didn’t it become DUMB like you and DEFINE “sunlight” as “THe sun”
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There is no such thing as a healthy “sun” that does not comprise these components. The sun is one body that is the combination of all these phenomena.”
separate the light from the sun and the heat from the sun, which person has IDENTIFIED these CAUSED items as “the sun”
Definition of sun-heat
:heat coming from the sun
“Likewise, God is one being, comprising father, son, and holy spirit.”
what does “one” mean in “one person”
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Lol, oh the irony of foolish little Joel. The pipsqueak doesn’t realize how bad and heretical his “analogy” really is!
arianism
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Also modalism.
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Yes, they ARE the sun. A healthy sun exists as light, heat, and a nuclear chain reaction.”
sun does not exist as “sun light”
it EMITS sun light.
it emits heat
it is not emitting the sun you dumb ass.
sun is emitting the sun ?
the sun is simply GASSES producing light and heat
that which is PRODUCED cannot be the gasses, but something OTHER than the gasses.
does the father produce something other than him which is no co-equal to him ?
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qurananbible
you’re as deranged and ignorant as heathcliff.
There’s no heresy in my analogy – it’s an analogy that has its roots in the writings of the church fathers. There’s no creating going on in the chain reaction process – heat and light exist as the fusion process exists.
Again, it’s just an analogy that shows how stupid you guys are for claiming that three cannot be one.
Speaking of oneness….is allah’s oneness the same as the oneness of a goat?
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Hahaha, then those church fathers were heretics too you moron! Lol, oh man this is too funny!
Foolish little Joel can’t admit that he’s a heretic who doesn’t understand his idiot trinity…
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heathcliff
“it is not emitting the sun you dumb ass.”
I never said anything is “emitting the sun”, you moron.
The stupid is starting to hurt. No wonder you converted to islam.
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quranandbible
I understand the trinity far more deeply than you understand your tawheed – else why can’t anyone answer the simple question of how allah’s oneness is different than the oneness of animals? You worship a creature.
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“heathcliff
Idiot.
Light an heat are not created by the chain reaction – they exist as the chain reaction begins. That’s the point – all three components co-exist, do not exist separately from each other, are not the same, but are all the sun.
It’s an analogy.
Now maybe you can explain how allah’s oneness is different from a goat’s?”
LOL!!! The fool Joel doesn’t realize that he has utterly exposed himself as the “idiot” as well as committing a heresy!
You see you fool, the “analogy” of the sun vis a vis the trinity is a BAD analogy and it shows that you do NOT actually understand what the trinity is. I always laugh when I see Christian apologists pretend to understand the trinity but instead show that they are absolutely clueless!
According to more educated Christians, the sun analogy reduces the trinity to a heretical doctrine known as Sabellianism as well as modalism and Araniasm. All three are considered HERESIES!
“Another analogy—attributed to Sabellius—that lives on today is that of the sun. The Father is the sun, while the Son and Holy Spirit are the light and heat created by the Father. But this analogy also smacks of modalism, because the star is simply present under different forms.
Or it can be seen to express Arianism, which is the heretical view that the Father is superior to the Son and Holy Spirit by being a different and “higher” divine substance than the latter two. In the sun analogy, the light and heat are passive byproducts of the sun and are not true equals in the way that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share equally and completely in the divine nature.” (http://mattfradd.com/how-to-explain-and-not-explain-the-trinity/)
Here is a more entertaining refutation of your pathetic “analogy”:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj25oC617vWAhVsw4MKHS7rDRwQ3ywIJzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKQLfgaUoQCw&usg=AFQjCNHaYwr7GIEfaMJbTgdplb9vuJWfZA
So thank you foolish Joel for showing who the idiot is here! Hint: It’s you! 😉
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“modalism”
good point. one god existing in different forms.
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heathcliff
Heat, light and the nuclear chain reaction co-exist at the moment of fusion, each component cannot exist without the others existing simultaneously, and are all the sun.
No modalism here. You are an ignoramus.
Please, please,please, tell us how is your goat’s oneness different from other animals?
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“I never said anything is “emitting the sun”, you moron.
The stupid is starting to hurt. No wonder you converted to islam.”
No wonder Christianity appeals to you. It’s idiotic theology appeals to your idiotic brain. That explains why also appealed to a pathetically horrible analogy that actually conforms to a heretical doctrine.
Hey everyone, little Joel is a modalist!
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quranandbible
And now you expose your ignorance. LOL!!
You have no idea what you are talking about explain modalism and how my analogy conforms to that heresy.
Hey everyone, little qb and b is about to embarrass himself!
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“. There’s no creating going on in the chain reaction process – heat and light exist as the fusion process exists.”
so you have 3 individual gods then , right? 3 individual ingredients which are NOT each other and not CO-EQUAL to each other. when did a hindu ever deny that his god did not exist as different things ?
who cares whether one identifies it as one circle, one box, one triangle.
different gods glue/form together and shape out.
trinity is polytheism .
now explain what does “one ” mean in “one person”
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heat and light exist as the fusion process exists”
it is just constant explosions you which is causing emission of heat and light. the gasses are becoming something else. they are not co-equal to the gasses.
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heathcliff
Your IQ seems to be decreasing with every comment. I’m not saying god is a nuclear chain reaction – I’m using an analogy.
Do you understand what an analogy is? There are online dictionaries you can look up.
Now please answer my question about tawheed – is allah’s oneness the same as a goat’s?
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“Now please answer my question about tawheed – is allah’s oneness the same as a goat’s?”
pig , what does “one” mean in “one person”?
is it DEFORMED person?
is it ATTRIBUTELESS person
what does “one person ” mean ?
does it have 33 % attributes?
howmuch ?
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“Heat, light and the nuclear chain reaction co-exist at the moment of fusion, each component cannot exist without the others existing simultaneously, and are all the sun.”
heat is ALL the sun LOL ?
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so you admit then that if they are ALL the sun, then one of them is not ALL the sun, is jesus 33 % of god ?
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Joel
September 23, 2017 • 5:13 pm
heathcliff
Your IQ seems to be decreasing with every comment. I’m not saying god is a nuclear chain reaction – I’m using an analogy.
Do you understand what an analogy is? There are online dictionaries you can look up.
Now please answer my question about tawheed – is allah’s oneness the same as a goat’s?
I say;
You accuse our God to be a creature because just as one person(human) is one, our God is one person(God), and you are comparing your God with nuclear i.e. just like how God can exist in different things, nuclear exists in different things.
If our God is a creature, man, then your God is creature, nuclear.
a·nal·o·gy
noun
a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
“an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies”
Source: https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+is+analogy&rlz=1C1AVFC_enCA763CA763&oq=what+is+analogy&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.8288j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Analogy simply means to compare. You compare our God and man and said our God is man, then you compare your God with nuclear. You dandyhead. Your good has metarmorphosized from man to nuclear. Well, we have to contact Kim Jong Un of North Korea to produce more of your gods. He is good in producing Nuclear which is your God.
to be continued………….
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……..continued
Now to answer your question. God said He is ONE, ONLY and ALONE, NONE ELSE, NOTHING BESIDES HIM etc.
Proof:
“there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
“Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
“For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10
Joel, read the above passages carefully. It says God is one, It says God is alone, It says nothing is like God, it says no God is formed and God cannot be formed and many more that is clear God cannot be man.
You worship man Jesus. Muslims do not worship any man except the God who declared Himself in the above verses as no creature or man.
If God said He is One, alone and only God, then He is ONE being/person. He cannot be 2 or more than one person. Humans are created more, so we can have 2,3,4,5,6…….persons but God is not created and He said He is One, only and alone, so His onenes is unique to human oneness.
Why?
Humans are many persons but God is ONLY ONE person/being and cannot be counted more than one that is polytheism. Humans can be counted as more than one persons, that is why you 3 persons gods are counted just like any idol worshiper can count his gods.
Yes, our God only one person and alone and cannot be counted as more than one like how humans can be counted as many.
Thanks.
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To help you further, God as one person cannot be more than one person because He said He is only one and alone. Adding or counting other persons as gods makes more than one God and He is no more one God as He clearly said He is.
Humans on the other hand are creatures and are created many. We do not have only one person who is alone. We have other persons. God is one, only and alone. Adding another person to the one person of God makes Him like humans i.e. having more than one persons and that is polytheism.
Learned Christians says God(Jesus) is eternally generated. It is oxymoron. Any being/person who has consciousness like God, cannot be generated because to generate means to create. God’s word, light, speech etc. are not God Himself because they are not Beings/persons. They are just His attributes.
So, God is one person and it is unique and cannot be counted as more than one, but humans persons can be counted as more than one like polytheists count their gods as more than one. Trinity believing Christians believe like Hindus, Rastafarians, voodoos, idol worshipers etc. who believed God can become flesh in the form of a man, cow etc.
The God of the Bible cannot become His creations.
I hope you will think and convert to Islam today and forget the brainwash you get from your pastors. Think very well and use your brain because in the day of judgement God will tell you that He provided you with brain, intellect, reason etc. to see and tell the truth but not lies.
Thanks.
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“Heat, light and the nuclear chain reaction co-exist at the moment of fusion, each component cannot exist without the others existing simultaneously, and are all the sun.”
you are a RETARDED .
they all are PART of the sun, not “the sun”
where did you study?
which scientist identifies hydrogen as “the sun”
you are mentally raped by the holy spirit
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i added to your list.
quote :
Light is the sun.
Heat is the sun.
Nuclear chain reaction is the sun.
orange/yellow is the sun
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“Heat, light and the nuclear chain reaction co-exist at the moment of fusion”
says who?
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“three persons are ONE and the SAME God”
Unless you define what God is That sentence can either mean that the three persons are one being/person or that the three persons are divine.
Is the Godhead a being or a nature/attribute?
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You tell me first how or why Allah is one.
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you will automatically get your answer once you define what is “one person”
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“quranandbible
And now you expose your ignorance. LOL!!
You have no idea what you are talking about explain modalism and how my analogy conforms to that heresy.
Hey everyone, little qb and b is about to embarrass himself!”
Foolish little Joel keeps making a fool of himself. How’s the gang at Sesame Street?
You see you fool, the “analogy” of the sun vis a vis the trinity is a BAD analogy and it shows that you do NOT actually understand what the trinity is. I always laugh when I see Christian apologists pretend to understand the trinity but instead show that they are absolutely clueless!
According to more educated Christians, the sun analogy reduces the trinity to a heretical doctrine known as Sabellianism as well as modalism and Araniasm. All three are considered HERESIES!
“Another analogy—attributed to Sabellius—that lives on today is that of the sun. The Father is the sun, while the Son and Holy Spirit are the light and heat created by the Father. But this analogy also smacks of modalism, because the star is simply present under different forms.
Or it can be seen to express Arianism, which is the heretical view that the Father is superior to the Son and Holy Spirit by being a different and “higher” divine substance than the latter two. In the sun analogy, the light and heat are passive byproducts of the sun and are not true equals in the way that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share equally and completely in the divine nature.” (http://mattfradd.com/how-to-explain-and-not-explain-the-trinity/)
Here is a more entertaining refutation of your pathetic “analogy”:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj25oC617vWAhVsw4MKHS7rDRwQ3ywIJzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKQLfgaUoQCw&usg=AFQjCNHaYwr7GIEfaMJbTgdplb9vuJWfZA
So thank you foolish Joel for showing who the idiot is here! Hint: It’s you! 😉
Hey everyone, now let’s see how the idiot responds! Will he dig himself into a bigger hole? If I were a betting man, I’d say YES!
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qb
I said my analogy has its roots in the church father’s writings, I didn’t say that the father is the sun. Dumber and dumber.
Can you even read English? Where did I say that the sun “creates” the son and holy spirit? Stop messing around on the internet, go back to school and try to find something productive to do with your ignorant life. I clearly said that light, heat, and the nuclear chain reaction that occurs simultaneously, all exist simultaneously as the sun. You are stupid.
So, so stupid.
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Joel
You said;
I clearly said that light, heat, and the nuclear chain reaction that occurs simultaneously, all exist simultaneously as the sun. You are stupid.
I say;
Heat exist simultaneously with the sun. And so what? Heat is sun? With all due respect you are an idiot.
Where did you learn heat is sun? In your Church? Put your brain, intellect back where they belong and think very well.
I and other Muslims are helping you here but you refuse to keep your brain back in your head.
The sun is not heat, the sun is not light, because sun is the whole producing heat and light. Light by itself is not the sun and heat by itself is not the sun. When sun is setting down, you will see the sun but you will not feel the heat and the light will diminish. This will tell you that they are not the same.
If somethings occurs simultaneously, it does not necessarily means they are the same because they occur simultaneously.
You are implying here that because sun, heat and light occur simultaneously, they are the same. That is brainless thinking. The sun is not the same as the light or heat, even if they occur simultaneously. Heat or light is independent of the sun because heat and light can be generated elsewhere i.e. from fire, from light bulbs, from nuclear, from so many places and not from the sun alone.
Now, back to God’s nature. God said He is One, Only and Alone. His(God) attributes/names/characteristics etc. are not God Himself because God is One being/person.
God’s light is not God Himself
God’s word or speech is not God Himself
God’s mercy is not God Himself
God’s wrath is not God Himself
God’s love is not God Himself
etc.
The above are not being/persons but attributes and so to say they are beings/persons and God is baseless.
That is where Christians get confused. They take the attribute of God like love and word and say these are God Himself. They cannot be God because they are not being/person even thought they come from God. We humans also came from God but we are not Gods. If something comes from God, it does not make that thing God. God’s word, love, mercy, wrath, etc. are not God Himself and cannot be counted as God because they are not beings and God is Only One Being Who is Alone.
I hope you will convert to Islam today and tell God on the day of judgement you used your brain, intellect, mind etc. to think very well and became a Muslim. Other wise you will be in hell fire for rejecting the truth as it is clear here.
God the Son
God the Father
God the Holy Spirit are 3 Gods just like any idol worship.
Watch this video
Thanks.
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” I clearly said that light, heat, and the nuclear chain reaction that occurs simultaneously, all exist simultaneously as the sun”
in ancient days (biblical ones) you would probably think that not only is the moon PRODUCING its own light, but the light EXISTs AS THE moon
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orange/yellow also exist simultaneously with the sun, ergo orange exists as the sun.
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” I clearly said that light, heat, and the nuclear chain reaction that occurs simultaneously, all exist simultaneously as the sun”
how much chain reaction in the father to produce the son?
if the son has everything his daddy has, why even is their begetting going on in the trinity ?
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brother faiz, we have a situation of holy spirit fail.
tea consists of hot water, milk and tea
all 3 coexist together.
which means each can be identified as tea
water is tea
hot is tea
milk is tea
tea is tea
now please bare in mind that the trinitarian yhwh is not the one person in trinity
the one person in trinity IS NOT the trinitarian yhwh
so we ask the retard explain to us what does “one” mean in “one person” ?
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Foolish little Joel does not disappoint and digs himself into a bigger hole! Jackpot!
Idiot, the point is that your pathetic little “analogy” utterly fails vis a vis the trinity. What you idiots don’t realize, and what your leaders always try to tell you, is that appealing to these desperate “analogies” invariably reduces the trinity into a heretical doctrine, such as Sabellianism, Arianism or Modalism. And more than anything, it exposes the lie Christians themselves and others, which is that they understand the trinity. Imagine it. Almost 2,000 years have gone by and you Christians cannot explain the trinity! Major holy spirit fail!
In nuclear fusion, energy (heat and light) is released as a by-product. It is released due to the conversion of hydrogen into helium. Thus, before hydrogen is converted into helium, no energy is released. But once it occurs, then the energy is released. Any rational person can see why this would be a BAD analogy for the trinity. But then again, we already know that you are anything but rational! After all, you’re a trinitarian! 😉
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faiz, it is quite obvious there are mixtures/collisions etc taking place, but dumb christian missionary doesn’t know what the trinity is. so far is he still not able to define what “one” is in “one person”
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qb
And what is your point you idiot? How does that challenge the coherence of the analogy? You’ve merely repeated what I said, and acted as though this refutes my argument. Surely you are not that dumb? Fusion, heat and light exist simultaneously. That is exactly what I said. LOL!!
Now, when are you wannabe apologists gong to actually start explaining how your god is different in oneness to goat? Beleiber and heathcliff have failed miserably, and you are looking as stupid as them. Can a goat that allah chooses to allow to enter your paradise earn the same oneness as your god?
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there are actually many different lights the sun produces.
your pathetic analogy must make room for more persons in the trinity. you are doing shirk with your trinity using these analogies. lol
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“Fusion, heat and light exist simultaneously”
fritian,
coffee, hot, milk and water exist simultaneously.
many COLLISIONS cause mixtures between each items in your SHIT analogy which would make father BLEND with the sun. light itself is a PRODUCER of heat
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and since a POLYTHEIST piglet like you has put your persons IN the trinity, does it have a sign “more WELCOME”
not ALL lights from the sun are the same. sun produces DIFFERENT lights.
so now will you except MORE persons in the trinity ?
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“Yes, they ARE the sun.”
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Light is the sun.
Heat is the sun.
Nuclear chain reaction is the sun.
Light is not heat.
heat is not light.
The chain reaction is is not light or heat.
Heat and light are not the chain reaction.”
notice how the pagan identifies light as the sun? Light is the sun , part of the sun, or the WHOLE sun?
if the whole son, then logically , the father is the whole trinity, which would mean your father is identified as ALL the trinity.
is light part of the sun or WHOLE of the sun?
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I never said anything is “emitting the sun”, you moron.
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fristian ,you said “light is the sun”
Which would mean sun leaks/emits the sun, isn’t it?
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He is playing the obvious game: “I am getting BITCHSLAPPED but I am just gonna deny/lie/play Shakespearean DodgeGames like a true crosstian retard just like Paul of Tarsus has taught me.”
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heathcliff
“fristian ,you said “light is the sun”
Which would mean sun leaks/emits the sun, isn’t it?”
No, you idiot. Saying the light is the sun does not mean the sun emits light. Saying the sun emits light is saying that the sun emits light.
Study more English.
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belieber
I thought you had more brain cells than heathcliff, but you proved me wrong.
DO you actually think that saying “light is the sun” is the same as saying the “sun emits light”?
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“DO you actually think that saying “light is the sun” is the same as saying the “sun emits light”?”
a dumb shit like you don’t get it. you have demonstrated that in this discussion
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brw how did you find this article
https://celsus.blog/2017/09/22/more-of-the-same-eric-bess-reviews-sean-mcdowells-the-fate-of-the-apostles/
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So this is what we have learned so far.
None of the muslim apologists have been capable of explaining how allah’s oneness is different to that of created animals.
Human beings and any animal whom allah wills to forgive or allow into paradise can attain the same quality of oneness as allah, since they will become eternally one, just like the muslim god.
Tawheed leads, thus, to blasphemy since it implies creatures can become godlike in at least one attribute.
If creatures can attain some of allah’s attributes, allah cannot be the true god of creation, but an imposter.
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seek help from doctor. this is not a case of jinn possession or holy ghost rape, this is a case of mental retardation.
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when the holy ghost is IN you (in you?) is that FULLY trinitarian god IN you or a SINGULAR person UP/in you?
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Joel
Human beings and any animal whom allah wills to forgive or allow into paradise can attain the same quality of oneness as allah, since they will become eternally one, just like the muslim god.
Tawheed leads, thus, to blasphemy since it implies creatures can become godlike in at least one attribute.
I say;
You just want to hide your problem but satanically attacking us on what you know is truth i.e. God is 1, only and alone said the Bible. Sensible, honest, learned and sincere Christians will not waste their time attacking Muslims for worshiping one God of Abraham who is alone. They now that is the truth.
Jesus Christ is one person and you worship him as your God. Jesus Christ eats like human beings, go to toilet like human beings and has more qualities we human beings have and you worship him as God. You forgot about that?
At least our God is one God of Abraham, Jesus, Moses, etc. who can not be added in persons like how human beings are added or counted in persons.
Thanks.
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“you will automatically get your answer once you define what is “one person””
Where were you educated? In a madrassa?
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erASSmus, in a place where one does not mean 3.
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where was jesus educated ? he identified the father as “one person” and addressed him using pronouns of singularity, does this mean jesus was playing trickery like fristians switching between unitarianism and trinitarianism?
what does “one” mean in “one person” ?
how many persons are IN you erASSmus?
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What’s this thing you call “education”, Ignoramus? 😉
https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/08/11/biblical-truths-with-professor-dale-martin/#comment-54201
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with these nut jobs i understand why you have these links on speed dial.
i understand bro.
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LOL, actually I just happened to remember brother Paul’s comment and did a quick Google search and there it was.
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Joel
September 24, 2017 • 8:12 pm
belieber
Your god is no different to a stinky goat in his oneness – no wonder you have resort to insults and misrepresentation. Your entire worldview is collapsing before our eyes.
Please tell me how you can explain allah’s oneness by his attribute of all-hearing
I say;
God said He is one and one is mono.
If you keep insulting God as goat because He said He is one, only and alone in the Bible, you will answer God in the day of judgement why disobeyed your Bible.
3 persons are people i.e. created counted people and that is what is exactly equal to humans. Mono or 1 person God that cannot be counted or added is unique because God is not created like humans and so cannot add another person to His oneness. His oneness cannot be counted as humans can be counted. Any counted persons more than one are not mono but poly and that where polytheism and idol worship is, i.e. Trinity and all who add more than one persons to the onlyone God like Mormons etc. are idol worshipers.
Thanks.
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Little foolish Joel keeps digging himself into a bigger hole! At this rate, you’ll dig yourself to China. Say hello to the Shaolin monks for me!
“qb
And what is your point you idiot? How does that challenge the coherence of the analogy? You’ve merely repeated what I said, and acted as though this refutes my argument. Surely you are not that dumb? Fusion, heat and light exist simultaneously. That is exactly what I said. LOL!!””
LOL, the moron STILL doesn’t get it! I can just imagine his god sitting somewhere saying “Oh god, why doesn’t this Joel just shut up? He’s embarrassing both of us!”
What you said about nuclear fusion is precisely why everyone is laughing at you. You are so high on yourself that you don’t understand how you refute yourself with this “analogy”.
Heat and light are only released AFTER the nuclear fusion reaction. So how can they exist “simultaneously”? One is the product of the other! Thus, using this analogy, you are suggesting that the son and holy spirit are not equal to the father because they only exist as “by-products” of the father! That is Arainism!
Not only that, but by appealing to the nuclear fusion reaction, you are suggesting by “analogy” that the father only exists when the right conditions are present. For a nuclear fusion reaction to occur, you must have hydrogen molecules present.as well as a very high temperature. You are a HERETIC, foolish Joel! Hahahaha!!
“Now, when are you wannabe apologists gong to actually start explaining how your god is different in oneness to goat? Beleiber and heathcliff have failed miserably, and you are looking as stupid as them. Can a goat that allah chooses to allow to enter your paradise earn the same oneness as your god?”
LOL, you dumb Gentile! Your little “goat” nonsense has already been explained by everyone here. Let me add my two cents to further humiliate you. A goat’s “oneness” involves its physical body (which is made up of many components) as well as its soul. It can only exist when both the body and soul are present. Moreover, both the body and soul are CREATED. In contrast, our Glorious Lord Allah has no need for a physical body, nor is He created. He exists eternally. So, as you can see, foolish little Joel, our Lord is very different from a simple goat.
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“LOL, the moron STILL doesn’t get it! I can just imagine his god sitting somewhere saying “Oh god, why doesn’t this Joel just shut up? He’s embarrassing both of us!””
U mean all four of us? There are three of them. Trinity is just an excuse for polytheism remember. LoL, never forget something so essential brother.
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“Beleiber and heathcliff have failed miserably” Buahahaha. Ooh I hope this kid will stay around so that we can smack him around some more. I am just enjoying this to much I think.
Naaaah! Toying with him like this is just fun ain’t it boys?
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they pay lip service to polytheism, but at heart jelly has committed blasphemy again and again by referring to yhwh as one goat in heaven/his oneness like a goats oneness.
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And he has done that to THREE gods (yes they are three gods, not one god as they so desperately claim).
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qb
You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process. SO yes, it is correct to say that they exist simultaneously. Did you have to train to be this stupid? Or is it a by product of islam?
“LOL, you dumb Gentile! Your little “goat” nonsense has already been explained by everyone here. Let me add my two cents to further humiliate you. A goat’s “oneness” involves its physical body (which is made up of many components) as well as its soul. It can only exist when both the body and soul are present. Moreover, both the body and soul are CREATED. In contrast, our Glorious Lord Allah has no need for a physical body, nor is He created. He exists eternally. So, as you can see, foolish little Joel, our Lord is very different from a simple goat.”
That doesn’t help your goat god one bit, idiot. That does not explain how allah’s oneness is different from a monkey’s or snake’s, or goat’s. Allah’s oneness is different because he doesn’t have a body? LOL!!! Oneness is independent of these qualities.
Obviously you can;t explain a thing about your god’s tawheed – oneness is separate from eternalness which means that since you can only explain allah’s oneness in terms of eternalness, his oneness is secondary to other attributes and has no defining factors that describe it in and of itself. You are probably too stupid to get that, but please try.
Maybe you are going to try and explain allah’s oneness by citing his attribute of being “all-hearing”? LOL!!
Your goat will become eternal in its oneness like your allah. Animals can become like your god in one of his attributes, you worship a creature, ergo.
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beleiber
You have gotten so badly owned that you are reduced to babbling about other idiots’ incoherent and ignorant comments. LOL!!
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You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process.”
its a hot gas in the shape of a sphere
its inner part is not like its outer part.
this would mean father (core) is UNLIKE the outer service.
energy which is emitted travels as light and heat.
you are too dumb to see that you are a modalist idiot.
your analogy will force you to believe that the persons of your god mixing IN person with the other persons.
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You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process.”
its a hot gas in the shape of a sphere
its inner part is not like its outer part.
this would mean father (core) is UNLIKE the outer service.
energy which is emitted travels as light and heat. its called energy . the core power is basically pushing out energy which would mean MIXTURE and modalism.
your analogy will force you to believe that the persons of your god mixing IN person with the other persons.
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“You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process. SO yes, it is correct to say that they exist simultaneously”
the problem for a DUMB christian kafir shit bag like you is that you see “one sun” like an hindu sees “one god”
the sun is not “one thing”
it is MANY things which PRODUCE many other things.
the ball of gas is one thing. the processes are other things , when combined produce many other things continuously /instantaneously
but you are a pagan idolater
even ken temple understands this analogy is not representative of your pagan trinity or else he would have defended your shit bag interpretation .
thank God for modern science telling us the INGREDIENTS of the sun. you can’t full dumb people any more. even christian apologists who dont have shit for brains will never use this analogy
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“There are not three beings, but three persons or seats of consciousness”
Each person is identified as GOD. You pricks always say the trinity is the truth but when we use your definition of it you lowlifes run away from it.
You didn’t answer anything you shitstain. Just like jimmy does in his debates he bullshits his way out of it by giving linguistic gymnastics.
You can’t even count you retard. Your IQ always is x. Which is a plurality and hence means 1. LOL!
Your second lord and savior Jimmy white describes it as:
1) There is one and only one God, eternal, immutable.
2) There are three eternal Persons described in Scripture – the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. These Persons are never identified with one another – that is, they are carefully differentiated as Persons.
3) The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, are identified as being fully DEITY
Each PERSON in your godhead is God himself FULLY (as jimmy says).
You idiots describe deity to them all, you give them other attributes like All-Mighty, All-Wise, all this and all that. But now that we are talking about their oneness you all of a sudden don’t want to answer how each PERSON differs from us in oneness. There are three persons and not three beings you say. Well Halle fcking lujah! I’ve been saying that they are three persons for the last 3 days on this blog. You must have read right over it every time.
Each of them are ONE. One what? One person!
So how does the oneness of each differ from us?
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“There are three persons and not three beings you say. Well Halle fcking lujah! I’ve been saying that they are three persons for the last 3 days on this blog.”
they are “unitarianizing ” the persons like i said before. it is a trick.
just draw that pagan triangle and and place the word god in the middle, then apply shitstians reasoning on that triangle and see how they are unitarianizing each person.
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So this is what we have learned so far.
None of the muslim apologists have been capable of explaining how allah’s oneness is different to that of created animals.
Allah’s oneness cannot be defined on its own terms and requires immense mental gymnastics to explain without deferring to other attributes. This makes allah’s oneness a secondary and almost insignificant attribute – this is blasphemy.
Human beings and any animal whom allah wills to forgive or allow into paradise can attain the same quality of oneness as allah, since they will become eternally one, just like the muslim god.
Tawheed leads, thus, to blasphemy since it implies creatures can become godlike in at least one attribute.
If creatures can attain some of allah’s attributes, allah cannot be the true god of creation, but an imposter.
The above is a re-post with one major addition….
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Joel
You said;
If creatures can attain some of allah’s attributes, allah cannot be the true god of creation, but an imposter.
The above is a re-post with one major addition…
I say;
Then your God Jesus Christ is an impostor. You God Jesus Christ goes to toilet like I and a goat go to toilet, so he is an impostor according to you not me. I did not insult Jesus Christ but you insulted him by insisting that if God has an attribute humans can’t have that attribute.
You see no Christian is coming to your defense? They know you have lost your brain.
Why? and How?
Humans do possess some attributes that possess i.e. mercy, judgement, creators, etc. but humans cannot possess God’s oneness because humans are many and not one, therefore can be counted and added.
When Adam was created he was one human being and God Almighty was also one divine being. One on One. Then Eve was created and we have two human beings and still one divine being God Almighty. Have sex and giving birth produced billions of human beings but still God Almighty remains only one and alone divine being.
A being is different from his attributes as one video posted above clearly shows. You are arguing that a being/person’s attributes is that being i.e. Joel’s mercy is Joel himself so we have to Joels. Even Trinity believing Christians will laugh at you when you say you are 2 persons because your attribute is also counted as you.
You keep saying oneness. Oneness is God’s attribute and we do not posses that oneness because we are many but God is one, only and alone. So, we do not possess the oneness of God.
You keep saying goat. You are a big fool. We do not have one goat but we have many goats. We have one God who is alone.
To keep repeating oneness is the same as goat makes you a stupid person on this planet. I usually refrain from insults when commenting but repeating nonsense from you is appalling.
Listen. We do not have one goat but many goats. We do not have one man but many men but we have one God.
If you do not understand that one thing is not many things then you a an idiot with dead brain.
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
Thanks.
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” requires immense mental gymnastics to explain without deferring to other attributes”
This is coming from a trinitarian!!! You lowlifes are the masters of linguistic mutilation. There is no such thing as a three in 1. It’s amazing that this has to be even explained. What a bunch of idiots you are.
“None of the muslim apologists have been capable of explaining how allah’s oneness is different to that of created animals.”
You haven’t been able to explain how the Father/Son/Hs’s oneness are different to that of created animals. You shit on your own religion.
O poor joel. You are without a doubt the biggest coward I have come across. You shit yourself and can’t answer the question:
HOW DOES THE ONENESS OF THE FATHER OR THE SON OR THE HS DIFFER FROM US?
Answer this and you’ll answer your own question.
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belieber
“You haven’t been able to explain how the Father/Son/Hs’s oneness are different to that of created animals”
It’s self-explanatory you idiot. The true god is plural in his oneness – allah oneness is like lower animals. Allah is not god, ergo.
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“You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process.”
kelly (kev)/jellly
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Nuclear fusion creates heat and photons (light).
lets identify the father as nuclear fusion since he is boss and leader of jebus
father is self combusting fusion which is CONSTANT non-stop
light and heat = energy = leakage
so the son needs to be leaked out from the person of the father ?
father = nuclear fusion
son = heat
goat = light
the person of the father is existing as different forms AT the same time, right?
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“The true god is plural in his oneness”
you mean composite like a goat, right?
for example a goat is flesh (jesus) blood (father) bone (ghost )
yhwh is like 1 goat, right?
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You ignore your own shitty trinity. They are each God you idiot.
So the Father is not the True God or the Son or the HS??? You wont answer the question I aksd you so many times because you get owned if you do. You know your shit makes ZERO sense. SO you’ll ignore them being God and go to your trinity as if the individual persons don’t even exist. According to you the three in your godhead are three creatures.
Apply your shit to each PERSON in your godhead. You idiots say the Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahweh and the HS is Yahweh but they are not three Yahwehs but ONE Yahweh (this is a moronic doctrine because it’s mutilation of the most basic laws of logic). So then apply it to each Yahweh who is one person. You losers always say in debates (to try and defend Jesus being God) that the early writers indentify Jesus as Yahweh by quoting OT passages and replacing Yahweh in them by Jesus. So Jesus is Yahweh. How is Yahweh’s (= the Father OR the Son OR the HS) oneness different from us?
You’re such loser kid. Now turn the other cheek so I can bitchslap it again.
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“Apply your shit to each PERSON in your godhead. You idiots say the Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahweh and the HS is Yahweh but they are not three Yahwehs but ONE Yahweh (this is a moronic doctrine because it’s mutilation of the most basic laws of logic). So then apply it to each Yahweh who is one person. You losers always say in debates (to try and defend Jesus being God) that the early writers indentify Jesus as Yahweh by quoting OT passages and replacing Yahweh in them by Jesus. So Jesus is Yahweh. How is Yahweh’s (= the Father OR the Son OR the HS) oneness different from us?”
it’s a switch. they unitarianize each of the persons by making them exist as 1 person , when caught out, they will say non no non , jesus is only a WHAT
you see, jesus is NOT the triune god. he is not whos and whats
he is simply a nature
the triune god is ALL the whos and whats
plug and play and see how they get exposed .
what is one person?
if it is not the TRIUNE god, what is it?
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Ken Temple
It was only for Theocratic Israel and only for that time. Jesus changed that and took the kingdom of God away from Israel (Matthew 21:33-46) and no one has the right to try and extend God’s kingdom by violence (Matthew 26:52 (see the context of 51-54)
I say;
Jesus used violence to destroy people’s table and chairs and was angry-Jesus has sinfulness in him according to Ken Temple.
Jesus was under the watchful eye of the Romans and he did not rule anyone and was ruled so he said;
Luke 19:27
Luke 19:27 (CEB) As for my enemies who don’t want me as their king, bring them … those enemies of mine who didn’t want me to reign over them here, and kill them.
Since then Christians have been persecuting others including themselves until the liberals managed to stop them. Some say when he(Jesus) is a head of state or president the killings that will happen is enormous.
Those Christians who reject Trinity were killed. John Calvin ordered the Killing of Machael. Crusaders killed Muslims and Jews. More than half of Europe population died in the 30 years war to stop Christian onslaught. In USA, the Christians killed the natives and went to West Africa to bring Muslims slaves, force converted all of them to Christianity, hanged them and built White Churches and Black Churches. The protestants killed the Catholic Christians of the USA, the killed the Jews and the Mormons until the war of independence saved everyone from persecution. They wicked Christians are now persecuting Muslims by voting to send wars in their lands. They could not force convert the Muslims there and the last option is to prevent them from coming to the USA. They voted for Donald Trump to do that.
The Christian Crusaders killed Muslims and Jews in Europe and the Holy Land and the Jews moved to the Muslims states to settle. The evidence is there for any one to see and read.
Christianity is the problem of this world not Islam, because Muslims lived in peace with Jews and Christians until the Christian supported Zionist movement started to help Israel to kill Palestinians.
Thanks.
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“So the Father is not the True God or the Son or the HS??? You wont answer the question I aksd you so many times because you get owned if you do. You know your shit makes ZERO sense. SO you’ll ignore them being God and go to your trinity as if the individual persons don’t even exist. According to you the three in your godhead are three creatures.”
You are so desperate.
Just like fusion, light and heat exist simultaneously as the sun, father, son and HS exist simultaneously as god. Simple. What about that is so hard to understand? There are not three beings, but three persons or seats of consciousness. Granted, it is difficult for low IQ folks like yourself to find the words to understand such a god, but in your favour, god cannot be so easy to understand that there are human words to describe him. Allah is easy to understand because his most significant attribute in islam is the same as animals.
Your concept of god is based on arab pagan anthropomorphism, so you can’t get your mind around concepts not grounded in the human imaginings.
“So Jesus is Yahweh. How is Yahweh’s (= the Father OR the Son OR the HS) oneness different from us?”
Are using “yahweh” as a proper noun or a common noun?
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“There are not three beings, but three persons or seats of consciousness”
Each person is identified as GOD. You pricks always say the trinity is the truth but when we use your definition of it you lowlifes run away from it.
You didn’t answer anything you shitstain. Just like jimmy does in his debates he bullshits his way out of it by giving linguistic gymnastics.
You can’t even count you retard. Your IQ always is x. Which is a plurality and hence means 1. LOL!
Your second lord and savior Jimmy white describes it as:
1) There is one and only one God, eternal, immutable.
2) There are three eternal Persons described in Scripture – the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. These Persons are never identified with one another – that is, they are carefully differentiated as Persons.
3) The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, are identified as being fully DEITY
Each PERSON in your godhead is God himself FULLY (as jimmy says).
You idiots describe deity to them all, you give them other attributes like All-Mighty, All-Wise, all this and all that. But now that we are talking about their oneness you all of a sudden don’t want to answer how each PERSON differs from us in oneness. There are three persons and not three beings you say. Well Halle fcking lujah! I’ve been saying that they are three persons for the last 3 days on this blog. You must have read right over it every time.
Each of them are ONE. One what? One person!
So how does the oneness of each differ from us?
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“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
It is ironic that “Intellect” uses 2 Samuel 7:22, when the books of 1 and 2 Samuel were originally one book.
The author of 2 Sam. 7:22 agreed with I Samuel 15.
The destruction of the Amalakites was an extension of the commands to drive out the Canaanites tribes from the holy land. (Deuteronomy 7, 9; Genesis 15:16-21; Joshua chapter 7) It was a judgement on the sinful wickedness of those nations/ tribes after God had mercy and patience on them for 400 years (Genesis 15:13-16 – “because the iniquity of the Amorite (one of those Canaanite tribes in the land) has not yet complete”.
It was only for Theocratic Israel and only for that time. Jesus changed that and took the kingdom of God away from Israel (Matthew 21:33-46) and no one has the right to try and extend God’s kingdom by violence (Matthew 26:52 (see the context of 51-54)
51 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus [m]reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus *said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?”
John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
Jesus clearly says that His servants do not do that kind of thing. (forcing others with fighting and violence)
Ephesians 6:10-12
“our struggle is not against flesh and blood”
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
The weapons we use are not physical or fleshly/ carnal, but spiritual and mighty through God for the pulling down of strongholds in thought and knowledge that raises itself up against the knowledge of God.
The church NEVER had the right or claim to do what Theocratic Israel did. Jesus changed all that.
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Calvin says you are wrong. He understood the bible better than you.
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No; Calvin was wrong on that issue, if you think he meant that the Church has state government power to punish and force. no way – all those verses are very clear. John 18:36; Matthew 21; Matthew 26:52; Ephesians 6:10-12 and 2 Cor. 10:3-5 are above Calvin.
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“It was a judgement on the sinful wickedness of those nations/ tribes after God had mercy and patience on them for 400 years.”
LOL! So children, infants, ox and sheep, camels and donkeys were sinful and wicked? Are you serious now Ken???
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It was a judgement on the sinful wickedness of those nations/ tribes after God had mercy and patience on them for 400 years (Genesis 15:13-16 – “because the iniquity of the Amorite (one of those Canaanite tribes in the land) has not yet complete”.
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but the children according to the “divinely inspired” said that they did WORSE than the nations yhwh had driven out. by your logic, why didn’t yhwh tell the israelities to turn their swords ON their own children since those children would go on to have children who would go on to have children who would DO worse than the nations yhwh drove out.
if canaanite children received a butchering FOR no reason, then israelite children required a butching too. why isn’t your blood thirty god PARTIAL?
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It was only for Theocratic Israel and only for that time. Jesus changed that and took the kingdom of God away from Israel (Matthew 21:33-46) and no one has the right to try and extend God’s kingdom by violence (Matthew 26:52 (see the context of 51-54)”
BULLSHIT!
jesus was praying for theocratic israel to do a return ” thy kingdom come thy WILL be done, here on earth….”
jesus of matthew did not say “put your sword away ….end to VIOLENCE”
torah it self is saying that the rule of torah would be hear on earth before any change of heart occurs which indicates torah rule of butchering would have to be applied full force.
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Isn’t it a sin to curse and use dirty words in Islam?
You are exposing your character for all to see.
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“LOL! So children, infants, ox and sheep, camels and donkeys were sinful and wicked? Are you serious now Ken???”
Here we go.
In god’s presence all are impure. Can ox and goats exist in the presence of allat? Is allah that impure?
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36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
is that right, jesus told his pals to go purchase swords . they used their swords.
very convenient that pilate did not know that it was jesus who told his pals to PURCHASE swords?
you are quoting johns fiction. notice that “my kingdom is not of this world” is not to be found in any of the synoptics ? notice also how john omits “thy KINGDOM COME, THY will be done, here on earth…”
hmmmm interesting
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Dear Lord you are such a lost soul. I mean the LENGTHS you go to to bullshit your way out of everything is just amazing. A true master of linguistic mutilation.
Ox and sheep are not wicked or evil you idiot. Animals can’t do evil. How the hell are they then impure and worthy of death?
So infants deserve to die? Ken said that God gave them 400 years meaning 400 years to repent and to turn away from their evil ways. So how can an infant repent??? They don’t have that capability. They don’t even understand evil.
Idiot!
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Atlas Partridge,
If you are a Muslim, you are not a very good follower of Surah 29:46
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In god’s presence all are impure.”
your god can come down and suck on IMPURE milk to help his own growth. i spit on your FILTHY shitty god.
he is a crass filthy hypocrite.
mary was born of an orignal sin stained mother according to christianity. so the milk which helped her grow her brain and thinking had to contain the stain of sin.
jesus’ flesh is FULL STAINED with original sin
jesus DIED a sinner.
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You violated Surah 29:46 for the 100th time. Shame on you. Dirty language is haram / forbidden.
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Joel
September 25, 2017 • 7:56 pm
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“LOL! So children, infants, ox and sheep, camels and donkeys were sinful and wicked? Are you serious now Ken???”
Here we go.
In god’s presence all are impure. Can ox and goats exist in the presence of allat? Is allah that impure?
I say;
But you believed God came from impure womb. The Bibles says the womb of a woman is impure and that is where Jesus you God came from. Goats, oxen, donkeys exists in the presence of your God Jesus Christ and he rode on a donkey.
How dare you lie to us that all are impure in presence of your God. Jesus your God is impure according to you not me or anyone else.
Allah is one and only who is alone as the Bible said, but your God is many like many people that can be added subtracted and counted. Our God’s oneness is unique and it is how it is i.e. exactly one.
Thanks.
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I have refuted Ken’s nonsense before. Ezekiel would disagree with Ken. When I showed him what Ezekiel says, he tried to claim that it was referring to events in the book of Esther! LOL!!! Ezekiel speaks of the temple being rebuilt and animal sacrifice being reinstated FOREVER. Ken tried to argue that “forever” is symbolic. I then showed him that the battle of Gog and Magog would occur afterwards, according to Ezekiel. Ken claimed that “Gog and Magog” is mere symbolic of some other “enemy of God”, and not the Gog and Magog of Revelation. What a deceitful missionary Ken is!
It’s no wonder the Dispensationalists support Israel so much. They are reading Ezekiel and believe that the temple has to be rebuilt. But whether Christians are Dispensationlists or not, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place because of Ezekiel. Whereas Paul said that the OT laws were no longer needed, Ezekiel said that they were needed forever.
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No, you did not refute anything. Revelation 20:8 applies “Gog and Magog” to the final battle against Satan. According to Dispensationalism, that cannot be Ezekiel 38-39, because that, according to them is before the 1000 year reign of Rev. 20:1-7 (in their scheme). You don’t know what you are talking about.
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Jesus fulfilled the book of Ezekiel; as He is the return of the glory of God to the temple and in fact, is the temple, Himself. “tear this temple down, and in three days I will raise it up again” John 2:19-22
He was speaking of the temple of His body.
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, glory of the only unique Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
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“Jesus is Represented in Ezekiel by a Glorious Temple
The last nine chapters contain Ezekiel’s vision of a glorious new Temple. The problem is this vision has never been fulfilled literally. The Temple built by Zerubbabel, and then by Herod, fell far short of the dimensions of the New Temple which Ezekiel describes. Some believe this Temple will one day be built in Jerusalem. And here is the dilemma. If we take these chapters literally, we must also take literally the purpose of the Temple. Ezekiel is very clear. The Temple would be for bloody animal sacrifices and lots of them, not be a tourist attraction or museum or place for worship alone (Ezekiel 43). Better to allow the New Testament to explain this representation of the Temple in Ezekiel.
When the Temple was complete [in his vision], Ezekiel saw the glory of the Lord returning by the way of the east gate– the direction in which it had left the city– and filling the house of the Lord (Ezekiel 43:2-4). This was fulfilled not by the reintroduction of animal sacrifices that would have to be repeated, but by the coming of the Lord Jesus to fulfil, replace and annul the Temple by offering himself as a perfect sacrifice offered once for all time, once for all people. (Hebrews 10:11-14). In John 1:14 (“The Word became flesh (tabernacled, dwelt, re-built and dwelt-lived”_ “we have seen His glory; glory as of the only unique one” = the glory returning.
John 2:19-22
“Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.” (John 2:19-21)
Consequently, says the Apostle Paul,
“… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.” (Ephesians 2:19-21)
The true Temple, therefore, is already under construction. Quoting Old Testament Temple imagery, the Apostle Peter similarly writes,
“you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 2:5-7)
This is how we should understand the prophecy of Ezekiel.
In Ezekiel’s vision he sees first of all, the Lord Jesus revealed as the heavenly God-Man, the divine one who would become a human being. In this incarnation, secondly, Ezekiel prophesies that Jesus will be revered as the Good Shepherd who will give his life for God’s people. And in his vision, thirdly Ezekiel sees the work of Jesus represented by a Glorious Temple, enhancing the revelation of the other Hebrew patriarchs and prophets who present Jesus as the corner stone, our ransom sacrifice, the scape goat, our Passover lamb, our great High Priest. Christ is indeed in all the Scriptures for all those who but recognise him, for all those who worship him, for all those who obey him. For others, who are still blind, the Lord Jesus remains a mystery, a stumbling block, a thorn in the side. Which is why so many of his apostles and prophets, like Ezekiel, were treated with such disdain. Ezekiel was rejected by God’s people, even as he preached Jesus Christ.”
by Steven Sizer
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LOL, so foolish little Joel’s mangod is also impure because he was born from an impure woman. Ouch!!
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“You violated Surah 29:46 for the 100th time. Shame on you. Dirty language is haram / forbidden”
That’s it? That’s your refutation?
That makes killing children and infants and livestock just?
Foolish Ken.
Ken is on a justify the baby/livestock killing machine mission.
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“Ox and sheep are not wicked or evil you idiot. Animals can’t do evil. How the hell are they then impure and worthy of death?”
Classic! Your god requires that you hang animals up and slit their throats so that they writhe and wriggle in terrified agony until every drop of blood drains from their body you imbecile, and you are claiming that killing animals is somehow wrong? LOL!!
“So infants deserve to die? Ken said that God gave them 400 years meaning 400 years to repent and to turn away from their evil ways. So how can an infant repent??? They don’t have that capability. “
So, so stupid. What kind of creature do you worship? The true god exists outside of time you fool, he knows what will be and what we will become.
I’ll spell it our for you – he knows who will repent and who won’t.
This is what happens when you believe that goats and allah share the same oneness.
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qb
“LOL, so foolish little Joel’s mangod is also impure because he was born from an impure woman. Ouch!!”
Not according to the quran and bible, blasphemer.
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Aaah if it isn’t my dear little sh*tstain friend joel the troll.
So you’re going to answer how the Father or the Son or the HS oneness is different from a goat? Pathetic!
“Classic! Your god requires that you hang animals up and slit their throats so that they writhe and wriggle in terrified agony until every drop of blood drains from their body you imbecile, and you are claiming that killing animals is somehow wrong? LOL!!”
No I said that telling Israelites to kill them for no reason is wrong. When we kill animals we kill them for food you idiot!
A question that even kids wont ask because it’s such a moronic question. Dear Lord!
Next thing I know you might ask me why 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.
“The true god exists outside of time you fool, he knows what will be and what we will become.
I’ll spell it our for you – he knows who will repent and who won’t.”
I said that Ken SAID that they were wicked. He said that the Amaleks had 400 years to repent and they didn’t but this logic doesn’t work with infants and babies cus the (and livestock!) AREN’T wicked you idiot!
Yes joelly He exists outside of time and knows who would repent and who not.
If killing infants is ok just because ‘God knows who will repent and who won’t’ and hence it’s ok to kill themselves as well cus God also knows whether or not adults will repent or not then by that logic we can just all kill ourselves cus God knows whether we’ll repent or not.
The Amalekites were killed for the sins of their predecessors.
“So, so stupid. What kind of creature do you worship?”
I worship the one you call the Father. We call him Allah. If you want to blaspheme by saying the Father is a creature then that’s your choice.
“This is what happens when you believe that goats and allah share the same oneness.”
This is what happens when you call each individual of your own pagan godhead a goat and don’t have the balls to answer the question:
How is the oneness of the Father or the Son or the HS different from a goat?
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“No I said that telling Israelites to kill them for no reason is wrong. “
That’s the point you idiot, the iniquity of the people was bad that even animals had been corrupted.
“When we kill animals we kill them for food you idiot!”
No, you torture them to death, you idiot.
“I said that Ken SAID that they were wicked. He said that the Amaleks had 400 years to repent and they didn’t but this logic doesn’t work with infants and babies cus the (and livestock!) AREN’T wicked you idiot!”
Can you even think without going round in circles? God exists outside of time, there is no was, is, or will be for the true god, there only IS. Got it? Your oneness goat god must be restricted by time.
“If killing infants is ok just because ‘God knows who will repent and who won’t’ and hence it’s ok to kill themselves as well cus God also knows whether or not adults will repent or not then by that logic we can just all kill ourselves cus God knows whether we’ll repent or not.”
That is the most stupid comment you have posted so far. LOL!!
This is your reasoning….god knows who will or won’t repent, therefore we should all kill ourselves.
That is stupid, even for you.
“How is the oneness of the Father or the Son or the HS different from a goat?”
The father, son, and HS are one, do you know any goats that resemble that?
Now, what about allah’s oneness – you cannot explain how his oneness is different from animals on its own terms without referring to other attributes, making tawheed far less significant than your goat’s other attributes. You shirker.
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“No I said that telling Israelites to kill them for no reason is wrong. “
That’s the point you idiot, the iniquity of the people was bad that even animals had been corrupted.
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but yhwh took care of that, he made a sinner like moses enter his presence
and since yhwh was among the isralities doing his miracles, he could have easily purified the animals and the children.
think about it it, more blood sacrifices .
yhwh likes to have a sniff of burnt flesh.
“When we kill animals we kill them for food you idiot!”
“No, you torture them to death, you idiot.”
what standard do you have to judge a person on torture?
you pagan jesus killed 2000 pigs for no FUKIN reason
what standard do you have to judge ?
2000 pigs went to their deaths by CRASHING on stones
NO MERCY, no love and no concern for peoples live stock.
“Can you even think without going round in circles? God exists outside of time, there is no was, is, or will be for the true god, there only IS. Got it? Your oneness goat god must be restricted by time.”
father = flesh, son = blood and ghost = bone ergo the father is like composite goat.
“The father, son, and HS are one, do you know any goats that resemble that?”
yes,
3 things.
father = flesh
son= blood + he became an animal sacrifice by incarnating
spirit = bone
ergo
yhwh of trinity oneness resembles a goats oneness
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Now, what about allah’s oneness – you cannot explain how his oneness is different from animals on its own terms without referring to other attributes, making tawheed far less significant than your goat’s other attributes. You shirker.”
1 conscious intelligent being , who sees, hears and controls . there are no OTHER conciousnesses WHICH share in his person or EXIST with his person . He does not exist outside His attributes or He does not EXIST inside His attribute. He is not a SHARED THING/1 shared thing
he is not identified as SHARED thing all throughout the jewish bible
yes, i have described the oneness of God here. i have at the same time showed that father is DOING shirk with the son because he has besides him other persons which EXIST on their own because of their begininglessness
this implies shirk in the trinity
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Children and infants and livestock aren’t EVIL you fucking idiot. This needs to be arrested and put in a clinic. This retard is a danger to humanity.
“No, you torture them to death, you idiot.”
No??? We don’t kill them for food? Are you seriously going to be a lil bitch now and go strawman. I said we kill them for food and you start talking about torture now. Changing topic is your way to go i see.
How Crosstian of you.
Islamic way of killing animals is the least harmful way of killing animals unless you want the GAIA option. And btw who the hell are you to talk about torture. Just like heathcliff said your alleged lord and savior killed countless of pigs in cold blood.
“Can you even think without going round in circles? God exists outside of time, there is no was, is, or will be for the true god, there only IS. Got it? Your oneness goat god must be restricted by time.”
Hmmm. A crosstian asking me to think. OOO the irony! Interesting.
So you think Ken is God? Cus you respond to a piece where I don’t even mention God.
“That is the most stupid comment you have posted so far. LOL!!
This is your reasoning….god knows who will or won’t repent, therefore we should all kill ourselves.
That is stupid, even for you.”
Now I am convinced you are a retard and have reading problems!
I said:
“If killing infants is ok just because… then ….”
Can you read that shitstain? Here it is again but focus now joel you can do it , I believe in you.
“IF … JUST BECAUSE… THEN”
Such key words but too hard for a retard to see.
So no you idiot that wasn’t my reasoning. I said IF God knows who will repent and who won’t THEN ….
“The father, son, and HS are one, do you know any goats that resemble that?”
ONE WHAT??
One person!!!!!! Like us.
O dear o dear! Bitchslapped again. Your cheeks are so red joel. How long will you take it.
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The thing is, Christians have never had the right to take something like that that was only for Theocratic Israel in the promised land; and claim the right to that kind of a thing. Never.
That kind of thing ended with Jesus and the New Testament. The New Testament gives no justification for that. The development of “Just War Theory” with Augustine and beyond was right, even though abused by the Roman Catholic Church and to a lesser degree, Calvin and Luther justified the state putting down rebellions, etc.
The progression of Christianity is the opposite of Islam.
OT to NT (no more “holy war”)
but in Islam
Early Meccan Surahs to early Median Surahs to late Median Surahs show an opposite progression that results in Islam using the sword to conquer vast areas and empires and establish Sharia law and then wear the populations down with Jiziyeh and Dhimmi principles of second class status and many converted because their societies had to agree to do no evangelism and then the next generation was not even regenerate. (not true believers, just rituals; they left their first love – Revelation 2:4-5) The N. Africans (except for the Coptic Church) had become Arians (By the Vandals and Goths and Visi-Goth invasions) first in the 400s and 500s and so becoming Muslims was not a big deal because they were not even Christians anymore. The Copts survived because they held onto the Deity of Christ and the Trinity doctrines.
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“Isn’t it a sin to curse and use dirty words in Islam?”
not one word against that SHITstian jeoel .you are like jesus ken, look at the sins of others AND LET you disciples get away with crime/sin.
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**I said IF, just because (God knows who will repent and who won’t), then….**
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“Not according to the quran and bible, blasphemer.”
funny shitSTIAN game isn’t it?
use the bible to condemn all those who are born as “born in sin ”
but make reservation for baby jesus?
bible says that god couldn’t protect adam from SINNING , what chance did jesus have who was “born of a woman”
jesus would see his mother sin and he would COPY that sin
when mary breast fed jesus, she would transfer her sinful thinking into the milk which would help jesus grow.
there is no way yhwh could protect jesus for the very reason that a BRAND new creation like adam was allowed to sin
jesus was TEMPTED and then got DUNKED in the river
jesus himself says that he is born a sinner
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For example, this seems to be precisely what’s going on in places like Luke 11.27-28:
While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts at which you nursed.” But he said, “μενοῦν, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”
I’ve purposely left μενοῦν untranslated here (on the different senses of the word, cf. Fitzmyer 1985: 928); however, surely the relationship between the two statements in these verses is, at most, one of antithesis. Perhaps this is all hinting at a subversion of familial relations in favor of the new ‘family’ of Jesus’ disciples – similar to Luke 14:26 et al. – and thus we may be justified in translating μενοῦν in an adversative sense, as NASB/NET/ESV do (“On the contrary, blessed…” or “Blessed, rather…). More naturally, though, the praise is not really directed at Jesus’ mother, but simply Jesus himself – and this is simply another one of those occurrences where Jesus legitimately dissociates himself from a divine identity
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belieber
“No??? We don’t kill them for food?”
Okay, you torture them to death for food. Happy?
“Islamic way of killing animals is the least harmful way of killing animals”
LOL!! Imbecile.
“So no you idiot that wasn’t my reasoning. I said IF God knows who will repent and who won’t THEN ….”
Okay, if god knows who will repent, then we should all just go ahead and kill ourselves.
Much better. Can you really be this dumb? God is omniscience so we should all just die.
And it hasn’t escaped my notice that you have still failed to answer the question of how your god’s oneness can be explained on its own terms without reference to other attributes, and how allah’s oneness is different to that of a goat.
Remember, you have already blasphemed by relegating allah’s oneness to lesser significance to his other attributes.
Hope you will finally answer.
“ONE WHAT??”
One being.
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Joel
Said;
And it hasn’t escaped my notice that you have still failed to answer the question of how your god’s oneness can be explained on its own terms without reference to other attributes, and how allah’s oneness is different to that of a goat.
I say;
The God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc. is One, Only and Alone said the Bible. God is not created, so His oneness is not comparable or analogous to His creations because God’s creations are MANY, but God is not created so He remains uniquely ONE i.e. exactly the same One.
You keep saying goat, goat, goat. We do not have one goat but we have many goats but We have ONE God who is not MANY as goats are many.
Do you think there is only one goat in the world? Only a stupid fellow like you will insist that. You see Christians are not supporting you on this one? You are embarassing yourself and to Christians in general. This is not an arguemnt one must persist.
God is not procreated, multiplied, counted more than one like His creations because He is un created and remains one and only God who is alone.
Goats and humans i.e. persons(people) are created MANY and not One, so comparing goat and persons(people) to the oneness of God is not done. You are the only Christian who insists on this. The other Christians are laughing at you and saying this Joel guy is disgracing Christians.
Once again, God’s oneness is not comparable to His creations oneness because goats are MANY and God is ONE. Believing in persons(people) as God like the Trinity, Mormonism, Hinduism, Rastafarianism, voodoosm etc. is polytheism.
Mono means 1 and God of Abraham is Only one and not many/.
Poly means many as in Trinity because of the MANY persons that consists of Trinity God, so the Trinity God is MANY persons(people) like his creations but the Muslim, Jews and Unitarian Christians God is unique and is not like oneness of goat or people because He is exactly the same i.e. ONLY ONE and ALONE. You cannot get another God except the One God of Abraham but you can find so many goats.
You are assuming the goat you see is the only one. That is idolatry and thinking idolatry. There are many goats and many persons(people) which is analogous to Trinity God.
Thanks.
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“Poly means many as in Trinity because of the MANY persons that consists of Trinity God, so the Trinity God is MANY persons(people) like his creations but the Muslim, Jews and Unitarian Christians God is unique and is not like oneness of goat or people because He is exactly the same i.e. ONLY ONE and ALONE. You cannot get another God except the One God of Abraham but you can find so many goats.”
his god is like one goat bro
father (blood)
son (flesh)
ghost (bones)
that’s one goat for you.
now think about this. fathers person has the same mind as the sons person has the same mind as the ghosts person “one mind”
they are not only unitarian like a goat, but they have minds like a unitarian goat.
when the father sends the son, this is like a goat doing thing to ITSELF . one goat. one mind . all unitarianized.
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holey loser joel the troll
“Okay, you torture them to death for food. Happy?”
Lol. What a loser you are. We don’t torture animals, that’s haram. If you want to play this silly game then you must be a crosstian retard, O wait …
“Okay, if god knows who will repent, then we should all just go ahead and kill ourselves.
Much better. Can you really be this dumb? God is omniscience so we should all just die.”
WOW! Really? You still haven’t gotten it.
You tried to justify the baby killings of the bible because God knows who will repent and who wont.
I said : If … JUST BECAUSE… then. Can you not read you retard?
Allah is unitarian. He is one person like us. That person is different from is in omniscience/Might/etc. I told you this a million times. You don’t want to accept this then fine. Don’t accept it.
“One being.”
You know full well that’s not what I asked. I asked they are each one what? Not one being. They are each one person. JUST LIKE US. So you have three goats. Good job loser.
I asked you: How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
You answered:
“The father, son, and HS are one, do you know any goats that resemble that?”
Then I asked one what? And you responded:
“One being.”
So you deliberately ignored my question by talking about your pagan trinity. AGAIN.
I’m not talking about that. How is the oneness of EACH different from us?
Each one of them is ONE person. Just like us.
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
Answer the question you loser.
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intellect
” God is not created, so His oneness is not comparable or analogous to His creations because God’s creations are MANY, but God is not created so He remains uniquely ONE i.e. exactly the same One.”
You made the same error as belieber and heatchliff and qb – you have tried to explain the supposed uniqueness of allah’s oneness by calling on his eternality. Those are two completely different attributes which actually don’t explain anything.
Yes, there are many goats, but all that means is that allah’s oneness is like the oneness of millions of individual goats.
Your argument fails in two ways.
Firstly, it is circular – saying allah’s oneness is different to a goat’s because allah is uncreated is like saying allah is different, therefore allah is different. You have not in any way shown how allah’s oneness is different.
Secondly, if you tie explanations of allah’s oneness into other attributes, then you leave yourself open to the problem of having to integrate allah’s oneness into his other attributes. For example, is allah’s oneness different because he is all-hearing? If you think so, then you are a bigger idiot than belieber and the other morons.
Sadly, if you cannot explain allah’s oneness by citing any of his attributes, then citing any one of them is spurious.
So, allah is uncreated, what does that have to do with his oneness? It explains absolutely nothing about his oneness.
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Joel
You said;
You made the same error as belieber and heatchliff and qb – you have tried to explain the supposed uniqueness of allah’s oneness by calling on his eternality. Those are two completely different attributes which actually don’t explain anything.
Yes, there are many goats, but all that means is that allah’s oneness is like the oneness of millions of individual goats.
Your argument fails in two ways.
Firstly, it is circular – saying allah’s oneness is different to a goat’s because allah is uncreated is like saying allah is different, therefore allah is different. You have not in any way shown how allah’s oneness is different.
Secondly, if you tie explanations of allah’s oneness into other attributes, then you leave yourself open to the problem of having to integrate allah’s oneness into his other attributes. For example, is allah’s oneness different because he is all-hearing? If you think so, then you are a bigger idiot than belieber and the other morons.
I say;
Where did you learn that citing other attributes of something cannot be used to distinguish it from other things?
You said;
Yes, there are many goats, but all that means is that allah’s oneness is like the oneness of millions of individual goats.
I say;
Is God of Abraham million? No.
Are goats millions and more? Yes.
That is the difference your brain fail to understand. How will you compare God’s oneness which is one and not MANY to goats which are many and in millions? Because idol worshipers like you will take one goat and make it a god and think there are no other goats. Hindus are worshiping cow and they think like you.
The God of Abraham’s oneness is unique and cannot be many like goats that are many. Your Trinity God is many like persons(people) i.e. his creations and therefore Trinity God is idolatry and polytheism and not God of Abraham Moses, Jacob, Mohammed etc.
Thanks.
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Intellect
Brother don’t give this loser an easy way out. Just keep asking him.
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
And see him run like a tard.
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yhwhs being is like a goats oneness .
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yhwhs EXTERNAL being is IDENTICAL to a GOATS oneness
to say that each person “feels” that EXTERNAL oneness then either you UNITARIANIZED EACH or you admit that EACH knows that it is not the other, which begs the question, WHY do you call yourself A MONOTHEIST?????
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“The father, son and HS are one, plural in their oneness. ”
yhwhs EXTERNAL one is like a GOATS one being.
the plurality is INTERNAL and each MIND knows it is not the other mind.
how does EACH mind know it is not the OTHER mind unless it itSELF is a BEING on its own?
so each INDIVIDUAL is INTERNALLY one like a GOATS oneness
it is or EXISTS with others.
its SELF is one like a GOATS self
jesus’ ONENESS is like a GOATS oneness
one CAN NEVER be plural . 3 things are SEPARATE like 3 GOATS are separate and each member of trinity is one like a GOAT.
3 one’s ARE NOT ONE. UNLESS YOU HAVE 3 EXIST AS ONE EXTERNAL BEING WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY HAVE BEEN UNITARIANIZED
ergo again your god is one like a goat is one.
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“How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?”
A goat is unitarian, like allah.
Yahweh is triune.
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“A goat is unitarian, like allah.
Yahweh is triune.”
Buahaha. I knew you wouldn’t answer the question? I am talking about the individual persons themselves. You know this FULL well! You bitch off to your pagan triune shit.
How is each person’s oneness different from that of a goat. It isn’t. So you’re full of shit. End of story.
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In short, you don’t like my answer but can’t refute it.
Okay, so now explain how allah’s oneness is different from a goat’s? A goat could get into paradise and become eternally one, like your god, so allah and goat will share exactly the same attribute in exactly the same way.
Allah is a creature, ergo.
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You didn’t answer shit. You answered the question :
How is the oneness of the triune godhead different from a goat’s oneness?
Which is a question I did NOT ask.
How is each person’s oneness different from that of a goat?
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“In god’s presence all are impure.”
this is a lie according to the jews
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We are told about and expected to believe the reports of a god that no one can know and no one can please (but jeesus, mind you) but yet they’re the authority on this god… does this make sense? If they are even remotely correct on their slam-fest of God, how is it that they know what God is like? Are they merely believing and PROMULGATING second-hand information? Were people like King David, the Prophet Moses, the Patriarchs, the Later Prophets lying when they ascribed adjectives of “mercy, loving kindness, abundant compassion and comforting” to this “vengeful” God? But they claim it’s the same god they serve! Were these biblical personalities wrong in their assessment of God and these xians who really don’t have a relationship with God (or a relationship by proxy) possessing the “true” relationship? And can you really have a relationship via proxy? How intimate is a relationship if you have to go through someone else to have a simple conversation with the one you’re to have a relationship with–and with a person (or in this case god) who, were it not for jeesus, would consider you worm fodder and banish you? REmember, according to xians, without jeesus no one could know god or have a relationship with him. So is jeesus our ticket to a relationship with god, or the wool pulled over god’s eyes (and our own) with regard to the true relationship? Or are we really just having a relationship with ourselves and this belief in jeesus is a mere distraction from the reality that no one can know this unreachable god? Is there anything more pathetic and more sad than to have a relationship by proxy; knowing the Object of your supposed loyalty and devotion doesn’t love you but only tolerates you because of someone else? Take that piece away and we’re back to the fundamental view of this “god” to his creation. What does that really say about this “god”?
no set of lies is more damning and more self-serving than to tell people that they are defective from birth, can never know God, cannot improve themselves and they are damned for all eternity unless you believe their variant/cult and to believe otherwise is the ultimate delusion. Are there any lies WORSE to not only one’s soul but one’s perception of the CREATOR HIMSELF??????? Is there anything MORE disgusting to the very Mercy, Compassion and “You can do it!” encouragement given by God Himself (even right in the VERY opening chapters of Genesis—- God tells Cain he can overcome evil! This from a “vengeful, can-never-please-Him” God!)? Is there any sin greater than to have one of God’s creations believe they can never know Him without any aides, “blood tricks” and “redemption coupons” from Jeesus?
The lies of these xians is “God knows you can’t have a relationship with him because you’re dirty, worthless, vile and wretched .. you’re spiritual trash. Only a bloody go between can mend the bridge”. They lie about God and also fail to ask the obvious.. what person would WANT a relationship with someone who will only see you as less than.. and only by the CHARITY of another can you come into a “relationship” with this person? Who wants a relationship with a god who only allows you to come into his presence via a proxy.. can it even be called a relationship? I think this is the most vile lie ever devised… lying about God and then LYING about the inherent potential (and the “god spark” ALL people have!) just so you can form an emotional attachment to jeesus.
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so if we following this line of reasoning, yhwh had a GRUDGE . he did not see the animals or the children as IMPURE.
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“You are still too dumb to understand the concept of a simple analogy. Light and heat occur at the moment of fusion you moron. There is no “after” fusion, its an instantaneous process. SO yes, it is correct to say that they exist simultaneously. Did you have to train to be this stupid? Or is it a by product of islam?”
LOL, the moron keeps digging a bigger hole. You must be half-way through to China by now!
Moron, the fusion reaction RELEASES energy. Not only that, but the result of the fusion reaction actually yields three products: helium, a NEUTRON and energy (heat and light). You have conveniently only mentioned fusion, heat and light to make three in a laughable attempt at coinciding with your pathetic trinity. But if we want to get technical, there are actually FOUR: fusion, neutron, heat and light. LOL!!!
I’m sure you didn’t have to train to be as stupid as you are! Your holy spirit has ensured it!
“That doesn’t help your goat god one bit, idiot. That does not explain how allah’s oneness is different from a monkey’s or snake’s, or goat’s. Allah’s oneness is different because he doesn’t have a body? LOL!!! Oneness is independent of these qualities.”
ROTFL, what a complete duffus! Let’s go slowly so your feeble brain can understand. ONE goat is made up of a physical body and a soul. That is the goat’s “oneness”. Allah, on the other hand, is ONE in a completely different way. Also, as others have pointed out, ONE goat is just one among MANY. Allah, on the other hand, is ONE by Himself. He is the One and Only God. Get it, foolish little Joel?
“Obviously you can;t explain a thing about your god’s tawheed – oneness is separate from eternalness which means that since you can only explain allah’s oneness in terms of eternalness, his oneness is secondary to other attributes and has no defining factors that describe it in and of itself. You are probably too stupid to get that, but please try.”
LOL, what a bunch of nonsense! I didn’t only mention Allah’s “eternalness” you idiot. I said He is not created, but I also said that He is One in a different way from a goat. In contrast, your pathetic triune god is likened to a fusion reaction, which can only exist if the right components and conditions are present! Thus, by your laughable analogy, you are saying that your god was CREATED! Ouch!!!
“Your goat will become eternal in its oneness like your allah. Animals can become like your god in one of his attributes, you worship a creature, ergo.””
LOL!!! A goat was still CREATED and still had to have a BODY and SOUL in order to be ONE. Allah has no need for such things. He is ONE by Himself.
Your god is a creature since he had to be created by the right mixture of conditions. You worship a created thing, ergo. 😉
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You are too stupid for words.
The process is instantaneous, fool. That means that heat, light exist at the moment of fusion, thus all three phenomena occur simultaneously. Stop reading wikipedia and trying to look intelligent, it isn’t working.
“ROTFL, what a complete duffus! Let’s go slowly so your feeble brain can understand. ONE goat is made up of a physical body and a soul. That is the goat’s “oneness”. Allah, on the other hand, is ONE in a completely different way. Also, as others have pointed out, ONE goat is just one among MANY. Allah, on the other hand, is ONE by Himself. He is the One and Only God. Get it, foolish little Joel?”
Repeating a stupid comment doesn’t make it correct or any less stupid.
Your argument boils down to this…..allah’s oneness is different because (wait for the stupid)……allah is different!!!
Circular reasoning idiot. You haven’t explained allah’s oneness at all. Go and kiss a stone and pray that it gives you a few more brain cells.
“LOL, what a bunch of nonsense! I didn’t only mention Allah’s “eternalness” you idiot. I said He is not created, but I also said that He is One in a different way from a goat. “
Moron! Belieber did. Regardless, you are still unable to explain allah’s goaty oneness on its own terms and MUST refer to other attributes to give it meaning. This renders allah’s oneness as a secondary attribute making you a blasphemer.
Go on, give it another go, embarrass yourself again.
Tell us how allah’s oneness is different from the oneness of a goat in paradise – don’t go all circular and try to avoid reasoining like “allah is different because he is different.
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“Moron, the fusion reaction RELEASES energy. Not only that, but the result of the fusion reaction actually yields three products: helium, a NEUTRON and energy (heat and light). You have conveniently only mentioned fusion, heat and light to make three in a laughable attempt at coinciding with your pathetic trinity. But if we want to get technical, there are actually FOUR: fusion, neutron, heat and light. LOL!!!”
“The process is instantaneous, fool. That means that heat, light exist at the moment of fusion, ”
two things in your pagan trinity are becoming something else instantaneously .
just think of the sun as GAS and think of that gas BECOMING something else.
gas = father . father compressed at high speed
pops out energy.
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Foolish little Joel (aka “the moron”) said:
“Here we go.
In god’s presence all are impure. Can ox and goats exist in the presence of allat? Is allah that impure?”
LOL, so being “impure” means it is okay to kill them? What kind of bloodthirsty creature do you worship?
Is your god afraid of getting dirty by all his “impure” creatures? What’s the big deal? I’m sure he can take a bath.
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LOL! His god even became a dirty, impure creature. And (apparently) took a ride on 2 dirty, impure donkeys.
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You can’t understand because you worship a creature whose oneness is exactly the same as a goat’s.
“Is your god afraid of getting dirty by all his “impure” creatures? What’s the big deal? I’m sure he can take a bath.”
No, I don;t think so. Impurity perishes in god’s presence. That’s why we can read these passages and view them in a number of ways, not least as metaphors for how the true god’s purity is so pristine that no creature can be in its presence.
You worship a goat thing, so you wouldn’t understand.
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“LOL, so being “impure” means it is okay to kill them? What kind of bloodthirsty creature do you worship?”
animals and infants are worthy to be put to death because
“In god’s presence all are impure.”
but this partial and loving god allowed impure in his presence .
from a non-christian view point children are seen as innocent thats why ancient hebrews and pagans used to SACRIFICE them to their gods.
so from biblical point of view children and animals are seen as innocent thats why they used to get KILLED for atoning sins.
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Judges 3:10, Judges 6:34,Judges 11:29-33
Also,
When the prophet Samuel anointed Saul to be king, he said that when Saul met other prophets, “Then the spirit of YHVH will come upon you mightily …”
When Samuel anointed David, “the spirit of YHVH came mightily on David.” In the next verse, “the spirit of YHVH departed from Saul.”
David cries out in Psalm 51:11, “Do not take Your holy spirit from me.”
Pharaoh also noted that Joseph was “endowed by the spirit of God.”
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Joel
September 26, 2017 • 5:49 am
qb
You can’t understand because you worship a creature whose oneness is exactly the same as a goat’s
I say;
We do not have one goat, we have many goats i.e 2,3,4………
Our God’s oneness is unique because it is as it is i.e. exactly one. Not many as goats. Your Trinitarian God oneness is many just like goats are many. We do not have one Trinity person but many persons as Trinity God just like many goats and many persons(people) that can be added, subtracted, divided and multiplied.
Goats are created many and humans i.e. persons(people) are created many by the only one true God of Jesus who is always 1 and nothing besides Him.
Our God is God of the Bible, God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed etc. who is alone and only one-He is not many.
Proof our God is one, only and alone from the Bible.
New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
“For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
If you fail to understand that goats are many and not one as you thought, humans are many and not one as you thought, and are counted more than one but God’s oneness is not counted more than one because He is One, Only and Alone, then you need to visit a psychiatrist or any hospital near you.
Thanks.
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“No, you did not refute anything. Revelation 20:8 applies “Gog and Magog” to the final battle against Satan. According to Dispensationalism, that cannot be Ezekiel 38-39, because that, according to them is before the 1000 year reign of Rev. 20:1-7 (in their scheme). You don’t know what you are talking about.”
LOL, typical Ken response!
I said Dispensationalists believe they must support Israel because of their interpretation of Ezekiel. It says clearly that the temple must be rebuilt. This is a problem for Christianity because it means that the temple system has not been abolished. Ezekiel creates a huge problem for Christians since it exposes an irreconcilable contradiction between the false apostle Paul and the Tanakh.
The battle of Gog and Magog is another contradiction. Whereas in Ezekiel, the battle occurs before the rebuilding of the temple, in Revelation, it has to occur 1000 years after the descent of Jesus. Another irreconcilable contradiction.
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“”Jesus fulfilled the book of Ezekiel; as He is the return of the glory of God to the temple and in fact, is the temple, Himself. “tear this temple down, and in three days I will raise it up again” John 2:19-22
He was speaking of the temple of His body.
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, glory of the only unique Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14”
LOL, special pleading and more of the same mental gymnastics that everyone expects from Christian apologists.
Ezekiel says nothing about “fulfilling”. It says the temple will be rebuilt. That would make your Jesus a false prophet. Like I said, Christians are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Indeed! Their ‘fulfill’ language is just so cringe!! What the hell has the church done to these people.
It has become a norm to them to use this language mutilation.
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Except Christians have always believed that view for centuries, until the new theology of dispensationalism started in the 1800s. Dispensationalism birthed Christian Zionism. It is wrong. Stephen Sizer is an example of someone who is active in writing against Christian Zionism.
No, John 1:14 and 2:19-22 and many other parallels show that John is showing the Jesus is the fulfillment of the dwelling / tabernacling of God with His people and the glory of God returned.
There are lots of examples of inter-textuality in John and Revelation that show the Jesus and the NT Church is the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s “visions of God”. they are apocalyptic visions, not meant to be taken in such a literalistic wooden fashion as the dispensationalist does.
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Ezekiel calls them “visions of God” (Ezekiel 1:1; 8:3; 11:24; 40:2; 43:3)
These are apocalyptic symbolic visions, not to be taken literally in such a wooden fashion as the Dispensationalists do. There is no way that I (nor many other Christians, both Amillennial and Post-Millennial ) can see a rebuilt temple as somehow God’s plan as future to us, because it seems to contradict the book of Hebrews, which clearly says the atonement ransom sacrifice of Jesus was the last and final and eternal sacrifice. Also Hebrews clearly says the land promises to Israel are already fulfilled as the promised land/ canaan / Zion is fulfilled in Christ and the church and heave. (Hebrews 11:10; 11:16; 12:22 (Mount Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, . . . the church of the first born, etc. ) Also Galatians 4:26 shows that the fulfillment of Zion and Jerusalem is in the church, eternal life, and the new covenant promise of heaven – the heavenly Jerusalem.
Ezekiel does not have to use the word “fulfillment”, the NT does though.
The NT uses the word “fulfillment” a lot and the concept of fulfillment in there all through the New Testament.
There is nothing in the text of Ezekiel that tells us chapters 40-48 is going to be about a 1000 millennial kingdom in Revelation 20:1-7 and there is nothing in Revelation 20:1-7 that says that this is the time when the temple will be rebuilt, because the NT does not teach the Jewish temple is going to be rebuilt.
The 1,000 years in Revelation 20:1-7 is a large symbolic number – like Psalm 50:10 – “God owns the cattle on a thousand hills” – does that mean he doesn’t own the cattle on the 1001th or 1050th hill or the 2002 hill? obviously not. It is just a large number to symbolize the time between the first coming of Christ and the second coming of Christ.
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“Except Christians have always believed that view for centuries, until the new theology of dispensationalism started in the 1800s. Dispensationalism birthed Christian Zionism. It is wrong. Stephen Sizer is an example of someone who is active in writing against Christian Zionism.”
I agree that Dispensationalism is a modern movement, but the reason Christians did not traditionally hold to that view is because they never like the Jews that much. But that does not change the fact the book of Ezekiel talks about the rebuilding of the temple in very vivid detail, even providing the measurements!
“No, John 1:14 and 2:19-22 and many other parallels show that John is showing the Jesus is the fulfillment of the dwelling / tabernacling of God with His people and the glory of God returned.
There are lots of examples of inter-textuality in John and Revelation that show the Jesus and the NT Church is the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s “visions of God”. they are apocalyptic visions, not meant to be taken in such a literalistic wooden fashion as the dispensationalist does.”
LOL, so Ezekiel’s detailed “visions” were actually only talking about a “symbolic” fulfillment in Jesus? WOW!! Talk about special pleading!
Also, you are contradicting yourself from a few months back where you tried to claim that the “visions” in Ezekiel were fulfilled in the book of Esther. Now, those “visions” were actually fulfilled in Jesus?! Why can’t your holy spirit give you a straight answer?
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“Ezekiel calls them “visions of God” (Ezekiel 1:1; 8:3; 11:24; 40:2; 43:3)
These are apocalyptic symbolic visions, not to be taken literally in such a wooden fashion as the Dispensationalists do. There is no way that I (nor many other Christians, both Amillennial and Post-Millennial ) can see a rebuilt temple as somehow God’s plan as future to us, because it seems to contradict the book of Hebrews, which clearly says the atonement ransom sacrifice of Jesus was the last and final and eternal sacrifice. Also Hebrews clearly says the land promises to Israel are already fulfilled as the promised land/ canaan / Zion is fulfilled in Christ and the church and heave. (Hebrews 11:10; 11:16; 12:22 (Mount Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, . . . the church of the first born, etc. ) Also Galatians 4:26 shows that the fulfillment of Zion and Jerusalem is in the church, eternal life, and the new covenant promise of heaven – the heavenly Jerusalem.
Ezekiel does not have to use the word “fulfillment”, the NT does though.
The NT uses the word “fulfillment” a lot and the concept of fulfillment in there all through the New Testament.
There is nothing in the text of Ezekiel that tells us chapters 40-48 is going to be about a 1000 millennial kingdom in Revelation 20:1-7 and there is nothing in Revelation 20:1-7 that says that this is the time when the temple will be rebuilt, because the NT does not teach the Jewish temple is going to be rebuilt.
The 1,000 years in Revelation 20:1-7 is a large symbolic number – like Psalm 50:10 – “God owns the cattle on a thousand hills” – does that mean he doesn’t own the cattle on the 1001th or 1050th hill or the 2002 hill? obviously not. It is just a large number to symbolize the time between the first coming of Christ and the second coming of Christ.”
Blah, blah, blah…more mental gymnastics.
Your problem is that you keep reading Ezekiel in the light of Revelation. You want to start the conversation with the assumption that Ezekiel and Revelation are in perfect harmony. Thus, any discussion based on that assumption will only be a circular argument.
Who said that Ezekiel has to be interpreted via Revelation and vice versa? I don’t share your silly assumptions. A reasonable person will see the two books and acknowledge that they are irreconcilable. But Christians cannot be expected to reasonable.
Like I said above, Ezekiel provides a detailed account of the rebuilding of the temple. It is utter foolishness to claim that these details do not refer to a physical rebuilding but rather a “symbolic” rebuilding in Jesus. Such nonsense can only be expected from a brainwashed Christian.
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mark 13 is failed prophecy.
jesus thought that the heavenly phenomena was aS literal as the EARTHQUAKES , WARS etc…
“when you SEE these THINGS taking PLACE”
he even tells them to FLEE. he not being omniscient tells them “pray it doesn’t happen in winter” ALL literal
it is clearly a CHAIN reaction which he is warning his disciples to watch out for.
ken temples god THOUGHT it was ALL literal and all real.
ken temple nows that jesus FAILED so he needs to see it as non-literal. how else will he keep his religion alive?
take jesus literal and he is CONFIRMED FALSE prophet.
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“Do not lose faith by a delay of 2500 years that no one has come, or, according to the NT 2000 years or more. Rev 22:6-7… And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.” “And behold, I am coming soon….”
MURDER, RAPE, MURDER RAPE, BOMBINGS, KILLING, BOMBINGS , KILLINGS, HATE, MURDER, MURDER , KILLING, MURDER, RAPE, DIVISION, HATE, KILLING, STEALING, KILLING, RAPE, MURDER, RAPE , MURDER , DECEPTION, LIES, FORGERY, MURDER, KILLING, MURDER, STEALING , CORRUPTION,
kens god is a CONFIRMED FALSE god.
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“by Steven Sizer”…
LOL, so you’re saying Steven Sizer is a nutjob? Yes, Ken. I agree.
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“Just like fusion, light and heat exist simultaneously as the sun, father, son and HS exist simultaneously as god. Simple. What about that is so hard to understand?”
father = fusion + gas
father BECOMES energy
ergo the person of the father changes
whats so hard to understand idiot?
“There are not three beings,”
oh, so each person is not a BEING ? but father in your analogy becomes ANOTHER being /another existence .
if each person is not a being , then WHAT is it ?
is it BEINGLESS person?
“but three persons or seats of consciousness.”
so you worship beingless handicapped/deformed/disabled persons which are the crap you just uttered?
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“Just like fusion, light and heat exist simultaneously ”
the father is compressed and out pops energy . the father (gas) is CONSTANTLY being burned to make him pop out energy . but it is really one thing on another thing which CAUSES other things.
you are a modalist through and through
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“There are not three beings,”
father is not triune being/who+what
ghost is not triune being/who+what
son is not triune being/who+what
father is not son . who is not who
son is not father. who is not who
same applies for the “holy” goat
jelly seems to have admitted that the trinity does not exist.
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“O dear o dear! Bitchslapped again. Your cheeks are so red joel. How long will you take it.”
LOL!
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“That kind of thing ended with Jesus and the New Testament”
jesus was imperialistic . christians used jesus to KILL and murder.
response to william lane craig :
Dr. William Lane Craig issues a confused answer. On the one hand, he admits that Jesus can be viewed as an “imperialist” if we construe that term “broadly.” On the other hand, he wishes to make distinction in the cosmic geography of where any dominion is exercised by Jesus.
If I understand Dr. Craig, he claims that Christ’s empire is heavenly, not earthly.
However, we have abundant evidence in the New Testament that Christ intended to establish his dominion on earth or that he endorsed God’s dominion on earth. One example is in the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6:10 (RSV): “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.”
This prayer speaks of a kingdom, and a desire that God exercise power on EARTH, not just in heaven.
Another example, is in Revelation 19:11-16 (RSV), which evangelical Christians consider to be an accurate description of what will occur at Jesus’ Second Coming:
“[11] Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
[12] His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself.
[13] He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
[14] And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses.
[15] From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
[16] On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.”
Note that he will rule the nations with a rod of iron, and that certainly does not refer to heavenly nations. And does being “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” not qualify one as the most supreme imperialist?
I could literally multiply examples many times over, but I do address this in more detail in Chapter 6 of my book, The Bad Jesus: The Ethics of New Testament Ethics (2015):
http://www.sheffieldphoenix…
Perhaps, Dr. Craig also should start reading more evangelical scholarship that makes the case that Jesus was viewed as an earthy emperor or at least challenged Caesar’s emperorship. See, for example, Joseph Fantin’s book:
https://www.amazon.com/Lord…
Otherwise, Dr. Craig appears uninformed about evangelical scholarship that makes a case similar to mine, but just doesn’t normally use the word “imperialist” for Jesus.
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the sick fantasy of Revelation 19:11-16 did not come into fruition so nowadays fristians go around saying “love thy enemy ” LOL
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“ONE WHAT??”
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One being.
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notice how he now says that his “one being” consist of whos and whats /triune being
notice how the idiot still failed to tell people what ONE person is?
is jesus one like a goat is one?
is he disabled being?
is he being without being?
is he beingless person?
what is it?
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heathcliff
Tell me how your god’s oneness is different to that of his animals…why do you guys keep avoiding this simple question about your tawheed?
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“ONE WHAT??”
bro, like you have already noted , idiot bimbo is having each person exist as one being, which means each is existing as unitarian one.
i.e each person is a goat.
how much being did dad use to send his son?
“one being”
how much being did child use to love the son “one being”
it is simply a self and not individual selves.
they are modalists.
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Joel
September 26, 2017 • 4:59 pm
heathcliff
Tell me how your god’s oneness is different to that of his animals…why do you guys keep avoiding this simple question about your tawheed?
I say;
Because goats are many. To think the goat you see is the only one goat which is alone in this world is idolatry. There are many goats created and many persons(people) created like Trinity God who has MANY persons(people) as him.
The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Mohammed, Jews, Muslims, Unitarian Christians is One, Only and Alone who is not created and not MANY as his creations.
To fail to understand this makes one needing mental evaluations. You see how you are the only Christian arguing on this? Does it not shame you? The other Christians are wiser and knows to keep repeating this simple understanding because your brain is not good is a serious issue.
Thanks.
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How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from a goat?”
“My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
according to him, that is one goat praying to another goat in heaven.
the only difference is that one of the goats exists and two CONTRADICTORY things
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heathcliff
The father, son and HS are one, plural in their oneness. Goats are not triune.
Allah’s oneness is EXACTLY like the oneness of goats. None of you idiots has been able to illustrate how this is not the case.
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“Secondly, if you tie explanations of allah’s oneness into other attributes, then you leave yourself open to the problem of having to integrate allah’s oneness into his other attributes. For example, is allah’s oneness different because he is all-hearing? If you think so, then you are a bigger idiot than belieber and the other morons.”
if you identify the beng of god as “one being”
“omniscient one”
“all knowing one”
“all seeing one”
then from your own argument, your gods one being is like the being of one goat.
it has the same oneness as a goats oneness
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Heathcliff
Are you trying to make muslims look like idiots? I just explained how yahweh’s oneness is different to goat’s, so far, none of you fools has been ab;e to explain how allah’s oneness is different to a goat’s, monkey’s, cow’s, donkey’s……….
I’m surprised that none of you morons has tried to argue that “allah isn’t hairy like a goat, therefore his oneness is different”. But I wouldn’t be surprised if one you idiots does just that. I can’t wait!
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Joel
September 26, 2017 • 7:45 pm
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“How can the oneness which is one and only be compared with the oneness which is not one and only?”
You completely missed the point. This is exactly the problem – allah’s oneness is EXACTLY like the billions of animals and creatures that the true god has created. So allah’s oneness is in no way different to a goat’s
I say;
This is how idol worshipers make their comparisons with God. They will say the cow they worship or the persons they worships “oneness” is the same as God. That is why Trinitarians worship more than 1 persons and think the oneness is exactly the same as God. Hindus, Mormons and all idol worshipers think millions of goats or persons(people) is the same as 1 God.
Sensible people including sensible Christians on this blog but not you, will not think millions goats or persons(people) is equals 1 God or something that is in millions is equal to something that is one, only and alone. It is someone from mental hospital who will keep arguing about this i.e. million goats is the same as 1 God.
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the father, son and holy ghost one in nature just like goats are one in nature, but plural is person, but this time just put the 3 goat minds in one body .
lol
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heathcliff
No, that’s three goats, allah’s oneness is like each and every one theirs.
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is yhwhs being one or 3 ?
if jesus is NOT a being, what does it mean “plural in their oneness” ?
jesus is a deformed person which is BEINGLESS
so logically jesus, the father and the goat have plularity yet their being is EXACTLY like the BEING of a single GOAT!
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heathcliff
Are you using “yahweh” as a proper noun or common noun?
“so logically jesus, the father and the goat have plularity yet their being is EXACTLY like the BEING of a single GOAT!”
That is not logical. that’s stupid. So do you think allah’s oneness is different because allah isn’t hairy?
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Joel
September 26, 2017 • 5:44 pm
heathcliff
No, that’s three goats, allah’s oneness is like each and every one theirs.
I say;
Is God of Abraham one and only?Yes.
Are goats one and only? No.
How can the oneness which is one and only be compared with the oneness which is not one and only? One oneness(God) is not MANY and the other oneness(goat, Trinity, Rastafarianism, Mormonism etc.) are Many.
That’s the difference. One oneness is unique and exactly the same one but the other is MANY and has lose any oneness.
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intellct
“How can the oneness which is one and only be compared with the oneness which is not one and only?”
You completely missed the point. This is exactly the problem – allah’s oneness is EXACTLY like the billions of animals and creatures that the true god has created. So allah’s oneness is in no way different to a goat’s.
“One oneness is unique and exactly the same one but the other is MANY and has lose any oneness.”
Circular – you are making e dizzy with this nonsense. Each goat has oneness that is the same as allah’s. How is he different to his creatures in this attribute?
He isn’t.
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“Each goat has oneness that is the same as allah’s. How is he different to his creatures in this attribute?”
yhwhs external oneness is like a GOATS being .
yhwhs oneness is like a goats oneness
internally within the EXTERNAL oneness co-exist three ONE’S which implies each ONE shares a GOATS oneness ergo yhwh oneness is like a goats oneness
don’t be a DUMB BASTARD and admit yhwh has ONENESS like a goats oneness
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“The father, son and HS are one, plural in their oneness. Goats are not triune.”
“plural in their oneness” what is this NONSENSE?
3 different goat minds can be STUFFED in one body
that would be a PLURALITY of things in one body.
the triune gods oneness is just like a GOATS oneness
what do you mean “plural in their oneness” ?
the “oneness” is EXTERNAL to them just like AN animal or goats BEING is external TO it
you are an idiot arese hole
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“No, that’s three goats, allah’s oneness is like each and every one theirs.”
how much BEING is jesus? LOL
how much BEING is the father ? LOL
how much being is the ghost?
your pagan gods COMPLETE AND WHOLE being is like the BEING of a f goat since the persons are in the BEING just like goats mind is in its being
yhwh is a goat
there you go. three goats like 3 minds in trinity .
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“so logically jesus, the father and the goat have plularity yet their being is EXACTLY like the BEING of a single GOAT!”
That is not logical. that’s stupid
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is jesus IN its being ?
is father in its being?
is ghost in its being?
if you say it IS or has its being then you are F-ked, CAUSE you have pluralized beings.
all i am saying is that yhwhs beings is LIKE the being of one GOAT, the only difference is POST in 3 co-equal goat minds and you have jesus, father and ghost oneness like a single goats oneness
if you say that each MIND is having the “feeling” of the full goat, then you UNITARIAZED each person and its being .
so do you agree yhwhs oneness is like the oneness of a goat?
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“The father, son and HS are one, plural in their oneness. Goats are not triune.”
one being is EXTERNAL to the little triplets which exist IN the being.
yhwhs being is EXACTLY like the oneness of ONE goats being.
this is so obvious, but you are too stupid to see it.
but you know that they are NOT one in MIND. the fathers KNOWS that it is not the son. the son knows that it is not the ghost, just like one goat mind does not know that its mind is not the mind of the other goat.
the “oneness” is EXTERNAL and NOTHING to do with triplets which are INTERNAL like a goat mind is INTERNAL.
yhwh is truly like ONE goat.
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Foolish little Joel said:
“You are too stupid for words.
The process is instantaneous, fool. That means that heat, light exist at the moment of fusion, thus all three phenomena occur simultaneously. Stop reading wikipedia and trying to look intelligent, it isn’t working.”
LOL, you must be in Beijing by now! How is it there? I hear there is a lot of pollution.
Read very carefully moron. Heat, light and a neutron are RELEASED at the moment of fusion. In other words, if fusion did not occur, the three products will NOT be released. Maybe a picture will help a dumb monkey like you. Her you are:
You see? The RESULTS of the fusion reaction are helium (from the fusion of hydrogen or its isotopes), energy (heat and light) and a neutron. The three are PRODUCTS of fusion. Get it now you dumdum?
Now, by using this utterly foolish analogy, you have reduced your god into a created thing. Fusion occurs only if hydrogen is present along with a very high temperature. Ergo, your god is a created being. Not only that, but the other two are also created since they only exist as a result of the first one (i.e. the son and holy spirit exist only because of the father, just like heat and light exist only because of fusion). That is Arianism. HERETIC!!!
:Repeating a stupid comment doesn’t make it correct or any less stupid.
Your argument boils down to this…..allah’s oneness is different because (wait for the stupid)……allah is different!!!
Circular reasoning idiot. You haven’t explained allah’s oneness at all. Go and kiss a stone and pray that it gives you a few more brain cells.”
LOL, this is coming from the moron who has repeated the same idiotic “analogy” for his pagan trinity! You can’t make this stuff up!
Read carefully once again dumdum. Any created thing has a body and a soul, which makes ONE thing. You still with me? Your mind didn’t wander off yet, did it? Allah (swt) does not have such limitations. Thus, His Oneness is not the same as a created thing like a goat. Get it? You asked how is Allah’s Oneness different from a goat’s. That is why!
If anything, since a goat’s “oneness” is dependent on its body and soul, this “oneness” is the same as your triune god’s so-called “oneness”. Thus, using your pathetic logic, your god is no different than a goat. Now go baptize yourself in the name of the billy goat, the kid and the holy goat. 😉
“Moron! Belieber did. Regardless, you are still unable to explain allah’s goaty oneness on its own terms and MUST refer to other attributes to give it meaning. This renders allah’s oneness as a secondary attribute making you a blasphemer.
Go on, give it another go, embarrass yourself again.
Tell us how allah’s oneness is different from the oneness of a goat in paradise – don’t go all circular and try to avoid reasoining like “allah is different because he is different.””
LOL, we have further proof of how much of a moron you really are and how utterly ignorant you are about Islam. In Paradise, the soul and the body will be reunited. One of the things that the Arab pagans refused to believe was that Allah (swt) would resurrect all people. They used to ask how He would give life to bones and dust. Allah answered:
“It is He who first creates and then reverts it. This is how His law works inevitably. His semblance is of the most sublime in the heavens and the earth. He is all-mighty and all-wise.”
Similarly, the sinners in hell will suffer with their bodies:
“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.”
So you see, ignoramus, in the afterlife, a created thing will be different from the Glorious Lord Allah!
In contrast, your created god can never be different from any other created thing. How embarrassing!
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“Heat, light and a neutron are RELEASED at the moment of fusion.”
You really are as stupid as I think. This is exactly what I said, now you have affirmed it, and somehow think that this refutes my point.
YOU HAVE AGREED WITH ME, YOU IDIOT!!!
At the moment of fusion, heat and light occur, meaning that fusion, heat and light occur simultaneously. LOL!! It just cannot get any better.
“Any created thing has a body and a soul, which makes ONE thing. You still with me? Your mind didn’t wander off yet, did it? Allah (swt) does not have such limitations. Thus, His Oneness is not the same as a created thing like a goat. Get it? “
This is dumb beyond belief. Again, you are defining allah’s attribute of oneness through other attributes and qualities. You are effectively saying that goat’s have hair, therefore allah’s oneness is different. You did exactly what I said one of you morons would do.
All you’ve done is define allah’s non-corporeal nature, which really does not explain his attribute of oneness and how it could be different than a goat’s. Animals are just like allah in their oneness.
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“At the moment of fusion, heat and light occur, meaning that fusion, heat and light occur simultaneously.”
father is pressed = (fusion+ gas)
which PRODUCES heat = son
which also directly produces light = son
the son = hot ball of gas which needs something done to it in order to PRODUCE other things.
which means it is TWO things, not one thing, but TWO things.
all you are doing is confirming that you are a dumb christian modoalist.
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yhwh has an EXTERNAL 1 being
a goat has an EXternal 1 being
ergo yhwhs EXTERNAL being is LIKE THE ONENESS OF A GOAT
it gets worse
you IDENTIFY each internal being as 1 PERSON, you have 3 one’s WITHIN the one being
which means each ONE has oneness like a GOATS oneness
jesus has oneness like a goat
father has oneness like a goat
ghost has oneness like a goat
all INTERNAL beings/existences /communicators/LOVERS
the biggest DISASTER for you is UNITARIANIZING each PERSON by saying the 3 is LIKE 1 ONE EXTERNAL being, which would fuck you up since you CONFUSED YOUR WHO’S AND YOUR WHATS .
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we are still WAITING to hear you tell us what does it mean that ONE “holy ” spirit is IN you
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what do you mean by the word “one” ?
does the holy spirit which is currently IN you have a oneness like a goat has oneness?
if you try to FUSE the number 3 into ONE, then you confused your whos and your whats and you made the 3 ,1 being .
which mean you have a goat up you which has a oneness like a goat has oneness
your god is demonstrated perfectly in this picture
just carefully note the words again
3 one’s = TRIPLETS which are INTERNAL like a goat is INTERNAL (person) in its BEING (external)
yhwhs oneness and a goats oneness TRULY share many common things.
it gets worse since you either UNITARIANIZE them or you have EACH of them FULLY “experiencing” that EXTERNAL one being which would F*CK you up, since then you admit to this picture
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The father, son and HS are one”
father is one
ghost is one
spirit is one
you dumb pig, you have made the persons one
you just admitted that yhwh’ oneness is like a ghosts oneness
you realized that , then you wrote :
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, plural in their oneness. ”
now you playing the SWITCHING game,
now you make each EXISTENCE exist INSIDE “oneness”
so either way, yhwh’ oneness IS LIKE A GOATS ONENESS
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Little Joel said:
“You really are as stupid as I think. This is exactly what I said, now you have affirmed it, and somehow think that this refutes my point.
YOU HAVE AGREED WITH ME, YOU IDIOT!!!
At the moment of fusion, heat and light occur, meaning that fusion, heat and light occur simultaneously. LOL!! It just cannot get any better.”
LOL, read the full statement you moron! I said that light, heat, helium and a neutron exist only once fusion occurs. They are the products of fusion, you dingbat! I know it’s stuff for you simians to understand, but try a little harder, will you Coco?
Fusion is not a physical thing, idiot. It’s a reaction. And it is only as a RESULT of fusion that helium, light, heat and a neutron are produced.
I see you have nothing to say about how using this asinine analogy reduces your god into a created thing. I guess you agree. That’s good, Coco! We are making progress! 😉
“This is dumb beyond belief. Again, you are defining allah’s attribute of oneness through other attributes and qualities. You are effectively saying that goat’s have hair, therefore allah’s oneness is different. You did exactly what I said one of you morons would do.”
LOL, the moron will just never get it! Hair is not essential for the goat to exist, idiot. In order for it to exist, it has to have a body and a soul. Without either one, it will not exist. Hair is just one part of the body, but the body is essential for its existence. One goat exists in terms of a body and a soul. Allah (swt) is completely different.
“All you’ve done is define allah’s non-corporeal nature, which really does not explain his attribute of oneness and how it could be different than a goat’s. Animals are just like allah in their oneness.”
This has been explained to you many times. Your simian brain just cannot process it, Coco. In addition to having a body and soul to make ONE goat, there are millions of goats. Therefore, a goat is not One like Allah (swt). He is the only God, without partners. There is no one goat, or snake or simian named Coco (I am sure there are many morons like you out there).
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Too dumb for words.
I never said fusion was thing, imbecile, I said it was a phenomenon and we both agree that at the moment of fusion, heat and light occur. You are still agreeing with me, but just too stupid to realize it. LOL!!
And, no, I haven’t “reduced” the true god to a created thing – I am using an analogy, idiot, I’m not saying that god is a nuclear process. You can’t get any dumber.
“This has been explained to you many times. Your simian brain just cannot process it, Coco. In addition to having a body and soul to make ONE goat, there are millions of goats. Therefore, a goat is not One like Allah (swt). He is the only God, without partners. There is no one goat, or snake or simian named Coco (I am sure there are many morons like you out there).”
Saying that your goaty god is singular and alone, does not answer the question, idiot. Individual goats have individual onenesses, just like all humans are different in their individuality and no two are exactly alike except in their uniqueness. This means that allah’s oneness cannot be dismissed as being merely singular – all creatures are singular in some ways.
This leaves you with trying to describe your goat in terms of his other attributes which implicitly relegates your braying god’s oneness to secondary importance. Sadly, this is blasphemy.
“In order for it to exist, it has to have a body and a soul.”
Experiments have been done that can keep monkeys alive without their bodies, and it is likely that in the future, we will be able to keep brains alive without a body attached, and even convert human brain activity into information and download it into computer hardware. Where does that leave your definition of goats as needing bodies? Clearly, you are a complete moron, who cannot answer simple questions about tawheed.
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Joel
You said;
Saying that your goaty god is singular and alone, does not answer the question, idiot. Individual goats have individual onenesses, just like all humans are different in their individuality and no two are exactly alike except in their uniqueness. This means that allah’s oneness cannot be dismissed as being merely singular – all creatures are singular in some ways.
I say;
The God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and all prophets is one, only and alone and not many. Goats are MANY and not one, so the oneness of God is unique and not MANY as His creatures. The Trinitarian Gods are MANY i.e. they are in persons(people) like how persons(people) are created MANY.
We have MANY Trinitarian God’s i.e. persons(people) like how creations are created MANY in persons(people);
The God of Jesus is the only true God who is not Jesus but sent Jesus.
Idol worshipers always think one goat is like one God, so the worship Jesus, cow, monkeys, snakes etc. thinking it is equivalent to one God like how Joel is insisting that one goat is the same as one God. That is how idolaters think. They think one goat among billions is equivalent to one God and they worship things like cows, elephants, goats, Haile Selaissie, Jesus, Ali, Sai Baba etc. as persons God.
Mono means one and only and Monotheism means one and only God who is not MANY.
Poly means more than one, so worshiping more than one persons as in Trinity is polytheism punishable in hell fire.
Your attribute is Man and Christian. Is it a crime to use your Christian attribute to differentiate me and you? Only a child would think that way. You see how no Christian is arguing in your support? They believe you are disgracing yourself and Christianity in general.
According to learned Christians, one of the God the Fathers attribute is to “generate” the Son and they use the attribute “generate” to differentiate the Father and the Son. Now you are arguing against using one attribute to differentiate two things. Are you stable?
Why are we not God? We use God’s attribute to differentiate ourselves from God.
God is a being.
Man is a being.
God is eternal and man is not eternal, so God is not a man. We used God attribute “eternal” to know God’s being is not the same as mans being.
The same applies here.
Goats are MANY and not One.
God is not created and so God is not MANY.
So, God’s being as one cannot be added, deleted, subtracted, multiplied etc. but goats can be added, subtracted, deleted, multiplied etc. and so we do not have one goat but MANY goats. We have only one God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc.
As my colleagues said, Jesus is a being and not beingless, so he is also like one goat but you worship him. That is how idol worshipers think. They think one of their idols among billions is equal to the oneness of God and they worship their idols that way.
No, God is one who is not created and so cannot be MANY like His created things like persons(people), goats, etc. Some of us have our jobs behind computers and we will replying your nonsense till you give up your idol thinking of MANY things equal ONE thing. That is idolatry.
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Joel
“Individual goats have individual onenesses”-Joel.
I say;
They(goats) have multiple oneness i.e. 1 oneness + 1 oneness =2 and 2 goats + 1 oneness(goat) = 3 like your 3 persons(people) God of Trinity which the one God of Abraham who is only and alone does not have.
To add another thing i.e. another person, goat, man, snake, cow, monkey etc. to the only one God of Abraham who is alone is polytheism and idol worship punishable in hell fire.
Once again, the goats oneness is not alone and the only goat but MANY but the oneness of the God of Abraham, Jesus etc. is not added, multiplied or subtracted and is only and alone God. You see the difference? A kindergarten child will not waste peoples time like you failing to understand God is one but His creations are not one but MANY.
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“I never said fusion was thing, imbecile, I said it was a phenomenon and we both agree that at the moment of fusion, heat and light occur”
the thing called gas (father) gets fused in order to pop out jesus and the holy spirit, you should use your dumb christian brains and see that the HOT gas (father) is becoming/producing/putting his genes into things which share in his person and being for the father is the thing which is getting fused.
it is getting married to something other than it.
your persons in the trinity are singular ones.
one person from a group of 3 currently is in your body? what is it doing in their?
what is this spirit made up of ? parts?
each has oneness like a goat has oneness, the similarity is that each is IN a body like goats MIND is in its body
yhwh then has oneness like a goat has oneness
there are TOO many things in common
jesus who has ONENESS like a goat
was calling to another person in heaven who has ONENESS like a goat
Ibn anwar wrote
Ibn Anwar, BHsc (Hons), MCoLLT
One of the verses that Trinitarians commonly use to prove Jesus’ divinity is John 14:9 which has Jesus saying, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.” Accordingly, the Trinitarians contend that when taken literally what the verse shows is that Jesus is God like the Father is God. But is that really the meaning that one may glean from the verse when it is taken literally? When taken literally, what the verse actually says is that Jesus is, in fact, the Father. The verse says if a person sees Jesus then he has seen the Father and that can only mean that seeing Jesus means seeing the Father which must naturally mean that Jesus is actually the Father. Perhaps a simple analogy will illustrate the point clearer. James says, “If you have seen me then you have seen the chief of police.” What James is claiming, should we take his statement literally, is that he is as a matter of fact the chief of police because to see him means seeing the chief of police. What the statement certainly cannot mean when taken literally is that James is claiming to be a human being with a human nature. Likewise, when Jesus says seeing him equals seeing the Father, it cannot mean that he is claiming to have the essence of godhood but that he is actually the Father. As Jesus is claiming to be the Father here, according to standard Trinitarian theology, he is, in fact, committing a grievous ancient heresy forwarded by Sebellius called Patripassianism or Monarchianism or Sebellianism or Modalism. Patripassianism is a concept that stood in opposition to Trinitarianism in which the three persons of the godhead were thought to be just one person that reveals himself in three different modes. To confuse any of the persons of the Trinity with each other is to commit this modalistic heresy and apparently Jesus in John 14:9 does precisely that.
The verse in question has been used as the primary proof textby modalists since the time of Sebellius and Praxeas to prove their theology.
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https://www.facebook.com/ibnanwar.ibnanwar
so according to john, jesus’ oneness is 100 % like a GOATS oneness
it seems like you have been bruised and whipped worse than the suffering servant in isaiah 53 in all this discussion
you have been provided powerful evidence that you worship items which have ONENESS like a goat , but you are still wanting to receive further reddening .
the question is, why don’t you have shame for your own dignity? prostituting your like like this on this thread is going to bring shame to you .
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“Experiments have been done that can keep monkeys alive without their bodies, and it is likely that in the future, we will be able to keep brains alive without a body attached, and even convert human brain activity into information and download it into computer hardware. Where does that leave your definition of goats as needing bodies? ”
which then begs the question about those 3 consciousnesses which make love to each other in “divine being”
the person of jesus is able to pop out of it.
funny
you currently have one popping in you
funny
each chat to each other as different selves.
funny
you either have each becoming one in person or you say yhwh is not yhwh is not yhwh and have them EACH share in that center god and then say yhwh is not yhwh is not yhwh is not yhwh is not yhwn
singular yhwhs
chatting with each other. 3 one’s
3 speakers.
which beg the question, does jesus have oneness like a goat has oneness?
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LOL, the simian Coco just will not respond to reason. The moron still doesn’t get it that fusion produces heat and energy. They do not exist independently of fusion. Moreover, fusion cannot occur without the right conditions. To use that as an “analogy” of the trinity turns Coco into a heretic. Poor, poor Coco. Wake up and smell the bananas!
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qb
LOL!!
You think that heathcliff sounds reasonable?
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Certainly more than you Coco! But I understand why you are confused. After all, we are all human beings here, while you’re the lone simian. Poor little Coco.
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If the promised land was the best land to facilitate the cattle and agriculture staples necessary to ANE life (which follows logically from the alleged fact that God wished to provide this land to Israel as a divine grace), then giving the pagans a chance to first flee out of the land before attacking them, constitutes giving them a chance to go settle in parched arid inhospitable country, possibly putting them at war with other pagans who claim ownership of the land (those other pagans wouldn’t just let the Canaanites waltz in and start eating up the already precious resources), and subject themselves to further abuses by other pagans, forced prostitution, selling children, and/or simply dying slowly from exposure, hunger and thirst.
Some would argue that Copan and Flanagan’s “give them a chance to flee before slaughtering them” hypothesis (in their attempt to make the bible god look a bit less barbaric to modern sensibilities) makes God out to be a worse moral monster, than he is in the “kill’em all, babies too!” hypothesis that was steadily advocated almost without exception by Christian scholars for the last 20 centuries.
See my devastating rebuttals to Christian “apologists” at
http://turchisrong.blogspot.com.
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Good points Barry.
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hey joel , what do you think?
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hey temple, where did you disappear?
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heathcliff
I don’t agree with Barry that he has posted devastating rebuttals.
Besides, where are christians commanded to kill innocents? Or kill at all?
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heathcliff
Muslims are commanded to kill unbelievers because they are unbelievers. And you are commanded to kill apostates who criticize islam, women who commit adultery, and homsexuals.
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where did yhwh/triplets say that the laws of killing in the torah have a sell by date and will be replaced by plan b?
where did jebus say that yhwhs killing laws are replaceable?
there was no new testament in the time of jebus. jebus would have had the hb and jewish interpretations as a guide to how he understand the torah text and jebus tells christians to go back to the torah again and again
christians have also used jesus and the torah to murder, rape and kill
christians thought they were the new israel
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“I don’t agree with Barry that he has posted devastating rebuttals.”
why don’t you agree joilene?
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“Muslims are commanded to kill unbelievers because they are unbelievers.”
okay, lets just say for arguments sake that muslims are “commanded to kill unbelievers”
yhwh killed infants who didn’t even know what BELIEF was.
jesus in trinity GAVE the command to RIP open infants who did not even know what BELIEF was.
do you hold jesus accountable?
if you don’t , then can you tell me how little piece of SHIT has any standard to judge what any RELIGION does when it comes to KILLING ?
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So this is what we have learned so far.
None of the muslim apologists have been capable of explaining how allah’s oneness is different to that of created animals.
Allah’s oneness cannot be defined on its own terms and requires immense mental gymnastics to explain without deferring to other attributes. This makes allah’s oneness a secondary and almost insignificant attribute – this is blasphemy.
Human beings and any animal whom allah wills to forgive or allow into paradise can attain the same quality of oneness as allah, since they will become eternally one, just like the muslim god.
Tawheed leads, thus, to blasphemy since it implies creatures can become godlike in at least one attribute.
If creatures can attain some of allah’s attributes, allah cannot be the true god of creation, but an imposter.
The only people not responding to reason are you sorry muslim apologists.
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Joel
You said;
Allah’s oneness cannot be defined on its own terms and requires immense mental gymnastics to explain without deferring to other attributes. This makes allah’s oneness a secondary and almost insignificant attribute – this is blasphemy.
Human beings and any animal whom allah wills to forgive or allow into paradise can attain the same quality of oneness as allah, since they will become eternally one, just like the muslim god.
Tawheed leads, thus, to blasphemy since it implies creatures can become godlike in at least one attribute.
Say;
No wonder you worship Jesus thinking he is one like God. That is how idol worshipers think. They think 1 cow, 1 goat, 1 Jesus, 1 Haile Selassie, 1 Sai Baba, 1 snake etc. oneness is like God’s oneness. You worship 3 persons(people) thinking it is the same as 1 God. 3 person(people) cannot be the same as one God and their worship is punishable in hell fire.
You are fool and idiot not to know that, God’s creations are created and therefore not eternal. Your idol thinking makes you think that MANY person(people) are equal to God who is not many but one and only who is alone and never multiply like humans. Idol worshipers like you will worship Jesus, cow, goat, monkeys etc. thinking as you think i.e. God oneness is like his creations who are MANY.
Do you think you can distract us from telling the truth? You must be joking.
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Intellect
Your post is incoherent. How does allah being like a goat in his oneness make me an idolater?
Your own theology leads to the inescapable conclusion that creatures like monkeys, goats, and everything else, can become like your god in at least one of his attributes.
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Joel
September 29, 2017 • 7:03 am
Intellect
Your post is incoherent. How does allah being like a goat in his oneness make me an idolater?
Your own theology leads to the inescapable conclusion that creatures like monkeys, goats, and everything else, can become like your god in at least one of his attributes.
I say;
God’s oneness is not like goat because that oneness does not MULTIPLY, ADDED, DIVIDED, SUBTRATED like Adam, Eve, Jesus, cow, monkey, Haile Selaissie, Sai Baba and all idol worshiping believing gods of Hindu, Voodoos of Haiti worshiping snakes etc.
Joel, you are so soaked in your idol worship of Jesus a man to believe that goat that have MANY ones is the same as God that has only ONE who is alone.
That is how idol worshipeer think i.e. God is like goat, Jesus, Haile Selaissie, cow, monkey and they keep worshiping those things and their punishment is in hell fire, especially those insisting goats that are MANY is the same as God’s oneness that is not MANY. People like Joel who insists there are other creatures as Gods will burn in hell forever.
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intellect
“God’s oneness is not like goat because that oneness does not MULTIPLY, ADDED, DIVIDED, SUBTRATED like Adam, Eve, Jesus, cow, monkey, Haile Selaissie, Sai Baba and all idol worshiping believing gods of Hindu, Voodoos of Haiti worshiping snakes etc.”
You are almost as much of an idiot as the other morons who have failed to address this simple question about their simple tawheed god nonsense. None of those qualities provide any explanation of allah’s goaty oneness. You are making the same mistakes as the other idiots – you are merely describing general differences between your faux god and created beings, but you are incapable of describing allah’s oneness on its own terms.
You too have committed blasphemy by relegating allah’s oneness to secindary importance to other attributes and qualities.
“That is how idol worshipeer think i.e. God is like goat, Jesus, Haile Selaissie, cow, monkey and they keep worshiping those things and their punishment is in hell fire, especially those insisting goats that are MANY is the same as God’s oneness that is not MANY.”
No creature is exactly alike – mohammed and allah did not know this because they were ignorant of human genetics. Each and every creature is absolutely unique in their oneness. Allah is not unique since all created beings are unique in their oneness.
Allah is not god, ergo.
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how many person from the trinity are currently filling you piggy jelly?
is it one person or the entire triune god?
what does it mean for “one of yhwh” to be IN you ?
i don’t know what “one person” means? is it a ONENESS like a goats oneness?
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heathcliff
Your goat god is closer to that picture than the true god, yahweh.
Still avoiding an explanation of how your god is actually any different in oneness to these goats you’ve been dating?
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Piggy jelly, imagine you pray to your goaty triplets
surely in your PIGGY mind you need to distinguish between EACH person, surely you need to see SINGULAR EXISTENCES.
yhwh is just one box
the three TRIPLETS live in that box, but u want each to have full EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE of “divine nature” which means in your piggy swiny jelly mind you clearly know in your worship u worship gods.
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heathcliff
Your goat girlfriend and your god share exactly the same oneness. Allah is a creature, ergo.
That makes you an idolater.
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Your goat girlfriend and your god share exactly the same oneness. ”
how many members from the trinity are currently filling you piggy jelly?
HOW MANY?
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Coco, you sad little fool of a monkey! No, fusion, heat and light are not “co-equal”, you moron. They have different characteristics. Heat is not equal to light which is not equal to fusion. Light is made up of photons. Heat and fusion are not.
And again, since heat and light are by-products of fusion, they cannot be said to be “co-equal” with it. They only exist IF fusion occurs. Therefore, they are not “co-equal”.
Hopefully, your simian brain will eventually get this point. But then again, that’s asking a lot for a little chimp. I mean you guys can probably learn to paint or something given enough time, but grasping the basic principles of logic and physics is another matter! Poor, stupid Coco!
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Joel
You said;
No creature is exactly alike – mohammed and allah did not know this because they were ignorant of human genetics. Each and every creature is absolutely unique in their oneness. Allah is not unique since all created beings are unique in their oneness.
Allah is not god, ergo.
I say;
What unique? Many ones? No wonder you worship Jesus a man like Hindus worshiping cow and both you and them think cow or goat, man, snake etc. is the only goat etc. but no other goats etc. or persons(people). I am telling you that none else is God except the God of Jesus, Abraham etc. who is one, only and alone, but not MANY ones.
We woship God who is one and you worship Gods who are ones i.e. God the Father(one), God the Son(one), God the HS(one). You worship 3 ones like goats have MANY ones. Our God of the Bible is oneness in Only and alone and no addition, multiplication, subtraction. Your God are 3 persons added and counted like any 3 persons. Our God is unique and cannot be added like your creature God is added.
Your God’s oneness in 3 persons is just like the above goats or conjoined twins or triplets persons(people), hence your insistence and believe that God is like a goat.
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Good reply brother Intellect. Unfortunately, Coco just will not respond to reason. He thinks very highly of himself but the simian does not realize how much of a fool he has made himself out to be. He has essentially compared his god to created things, but his simplistic mind thinks his fusion delusion is a good “analogy” for his trinity! Not only that, but he has utterly failed to refute his own logic about “oneness” with regard to the individual persons of the trinity, as brother Atlas has pointed out. So here is what we have learned: Christians have spent the better part of 2,000 years trying to explain their trinity and have failed over and over. How embarrassing!
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intellect
I knew the point would fly over your head. There are no two exactly alike in creation, all are unique in their oneness. Not even identical twins are exactly alike – each twin is uniquely one.
Allah is one like his creation, one in his person, and one in consciousness – exactly like creatures. None of you guys have come even close to answering this question of how allah is different to a goat. Thatis because, he isn’t. He cannot be god, ergo.
“Your God’s oneness in 3 persons is just like the above goats or conjoined twins or triplets persons(people), hence your insistence and believe that God is like a goat.”
No it isn’t. There is absolutely nothing in creation that is like the true triune god. NOTHING.
Allah, on the other hand cannot be distinguished from beasts in the field,
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qb
You are an idiot. I used what is known as an analogy – I did not say that god is the sun, or a nuclear reaction. In all seriousness, are you really that stupid to think that was what I was saying? LOL!!!
“Not only that, but he has utterly failed to refute his own logic about “oneness” with regard to the individual persons of the trinity, as brother Atlas has pointed out. “
Belieber’s question was fallacious – it presumed the consequent and implied a strawman understanding of christian theology. Alternatively, it could be that belieber is an imbecile who simply cannot comprehend simple English.
I’ll clue you, although I have little hope that your poorly developed intellect can wrap itself around these ideas. Oneness applies to beings……….that’ll get you started.
Hope your head doesn’t explode.
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Joel
“Your God’s oneness in 3 persons is just like the above goats or conjoined twins or triplets persons(people), hence your insistence and believe that God is like a goat.”
No it isn’t. There is absolutely nothing in creation that is like the true triune god. NOTHING.
I say;
Triune God’s oneness.
God the Father(one) + God the Son(one) + God the Holy Spirit(one) = 3 persons/beings/God. 3 ones.
Goat
Goat(one)+Goat(one)+Goat(one) = 3 goats. 3 ones.
Sai Baba(one)+Emperor Haile Selaissie(one) + Ali(one) = 3 persons and each is God according to their worshipers. 3 ones.
3 cows of the Hindu God = 3 ones.
The above is how idol worshipers like Joel think. 3 ones is equal to 1 one and he worships Jesus, a creation as God just like Hindus worship cow as God. Joel also believe 3 ones equal 1 one. He forgets the that 3 persons cannot be 1 being/person except Jesus is beingless. Jesus is a being so Joel worships 3 beings like how goats are MANY, hence his insistence as MANY goats = 1 God as his 3 persons(people)=MANY ones equals one God.
The only true God of Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed etc. oneness.
God(one) = who else?
The Bible says no one and nothing else. No other one.
“Yahweh is God; there is no ONE else.” 1 Kings 8:60.
The Bible says any ONE that is MANY like your triune God which are MANY like goats oneness which are MANY ONES are not God and their worship is polytheism and idolatry punishable in hell fire. You will be roasted in hell fire, if you do not repent and remove from your mind this idol worship and idol thinking, especially after enlightening you.
God’s one is different from us because no one else is added to that one. other persons are added to your triune God and makes it MANY like goats which are also MANY ones.
The God of Jesus is ONE and not ONES. Because you are an idolater, you think the man Jesus you worship is the same one as God. That is not the case, God is not His creations.
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
The Bible said, there is no ONE like God and you believed Jesus a man is God and goat is God and you will be roasted in hell fire.
You worship your mind i.e. 3 persons or triune that is not clear in the Bible and you dismiss the Bible that clearly said God is ONE but not triune, man or 3 persons. There is no “3 persons 1 God” in the Bible.
You are a cult, says Rabbi Tovia Singer.
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intellect
You worship a god whose most significant attribute – his oneness – is exactly like the oneness of his creatures. Your god is not the true god, ergo.
None of you bozos can even come close to explaining how your god is different from a goat in his oneness. You still haven’t. You are an idolater.
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Joel
September 30, 2017 • 4:27 pm
intellect
You worship a god whose most significant attribute – his oneness – is exactly like the oneness of his creatures. Your god is not the true god, ergo
I say;
That is how idol worshipers like you think i.e. one goat = 1 God, hence your worship of Jesus, cow, goats, monkeys snake etc.
Thanks.
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intellect
It’s how idolaters like YOU think. God’s oneness is ultimately beyond our full comprehension.
Allah’s oneness is simple and easy to fully understand – therefore allah cannot be the true god of Abraham. Even creatures like dogs and goats can achieve eternal oneness like allah – he CANNOT POSSIBLY BE THE TRUE GOD, ERGO.
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Joel
September 30, 2017 • 5:04 pm
intellect
It’s how idolaters like YOU think. God’s oneness is ultimately beyond our full comprehension.
Allah’s oneness is simple and easy to fully understand – therefore allah cannot be the true god of Abraham. Even creatures like dogs and goats can achieve eternal oneness like allah – he CANNOT POSSIBLY BE THE TRUE GOD, ERGO.
I say;
Allah is not wicked so as to make it difficult for us to understand who he is for now. ONE, ONLY AND ALONE GOD simple for us to understand. Sai Baba as God Man is not simple to understand just like Jesus Christ a man and God at the same time is not simple for us to understand.
The Bible makes it simple for us to understand God and it simply says;
“Yahweh is God; there is no ONE else.” 1 Kings 8:60.
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
ONE, ONLY, NO ONE ELSE, NOTHING ELSE is easy to understand God as such and not MANY as the Trinity God is MANY like Mormons Gods who are MANY.
Yes, the idol gods like Trinity God that Joel is worshiping is difficult to understand just like it is difficult to understand how can Hindu cow, monkey etc. be God.
3 cows = God. 3 persons is God is idolatry and polytheism punishable in hell fire.
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hey piggy jelly, which picture best represented the father, son and holy ghost?
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Coco,
Idiot!!!
I know what an analogy is, but there are “good” analogies and bad ones. Your pathetic “analogy” is not only bad, it is downright AWFUL! Your simian mind cannot grasp how awful it is. It is just stuck on the “co-existence” of fusion, heat and energy (when actually, heat and energy and a neutron only exist ONCE fusion occurs). Your fusion delusion is just Arianism in a new form. To compare that to the trinity shows how much of a moron you are The persons of the trinity are not supposed to “co-exist”, they are supposed to “co-exist” from eternity. Since heat and energy exist only at the point of fusion and not before it, they cannot be said to “co-exist” with fusion. In addition, they have to be “co-equal”. How are heat and light “co-equal” to fusion?
Your “analogy” fails on both points. Pathetic trinitarian pagan! Why can’t you idiots explain your most important doctrine? It’s been 2000 years! What’s taking you so long?
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intellect
Allah oneness does not tell us anything about him. You guys are so stupid it is unreal. His oneness says absolutely nothing about who he is or what he is about. It just tells us he is….what? None of you guys can even tell us what that means, or how his oneness is different to a bloody goat’s.
Clearly, allah’s oneness has got all of you guys absolutely confused – you can’t tell the difference between allah and monkeys, or cows, or goats.
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confused? you are a prick.
you worship a god which currently is fully man WITHIN the trinity
you worship gods who CONVERSE with each other
who make LOVE to each other
who SEND each other
one sits on his high seat which his kid gets a BUTCHERING .he RAPES his child with SINS of rape from ALL years.
it is you who worships a CONFUSED god. just BANG together 3 individual goats in one body and we have trinity .
there is nothing unique about yhwhs “oneness” it is just as POLYTHEIST as hindu gods.
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qb
Poor, stupid, ignorant qb. YO just can’t get your simple mind around the concept of an analogy. It’s not a theological treatise, nor a comprehensive analysis – it’s an analogy, you moron. We know that a star’s fusion is not eternal, that’s not what is being said you simpleton, but as you admit without even realizing it, heat and light occur at the MOMENT of fusion. That is, instantaneously, meaning that they exist simultaneously.
And, yes, heat, light and fusion are co-equal. They rank as equal importance as phenomena to each other. You are far more stupid than anyone could possibly have imagined. LOL!!
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you are not intelligent person. you are created dumb
you describe one thing as hot, big and giving light. you are not describing 3 INDIVIDUAL and distinct things. you are simply saying one what ONE thing is.
the sun has orange color.
the orange colour does not EXIST as a sphere
the hot gas does not exist as a sphere
which scientist says that the colour orange exists as a ball ?
which intelligent person says that something described as hot implies hot is its OWN existence as a BALL ?
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Sai Baba(one)+Emperor Haile Selaissie(one)
LOL
“Intellect”‘s button gets pushed every few comment boxes and he repeats the same thing.
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Lol, Kenny runs aways only to come back later and either:
A. Whine like a girl, or,
B. Try to distract from his failures with irrelevant comments.
Holy spirit fail!
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you are a christian polytheist .
each colored person fully experience the pink circle and at the SAME time ARE distinct from one another.
each is an EXISTENCE on it’s own
yhwh = TRIPLETS
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Hey ken, is only ONE coloured person CURRENTLY residing in your “temple” or is the whole triune god residing in your “temple” ?
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