There is nothing shocking about this In fact, Christians in London (Britain) married sometimes at a younger age than what is mentioned in the above article by BBC. Check this out for example:
You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
Bro, good response to Coco, but please avoid using foul language. We should avoid going down to their level. Using humor is fine, but don’t use bad words.
A 12 year old bride marrying a 14 year old boy is vastly different to a 50 year old man lusting after a 6 year old and marrying her, then forcing her to have sex at 9.
Also, Mohammed used to fondle Aisha before they started having sex and he fondled his wives during their menstrual period.
when jesus told the jews to grab beautiful youngsters, was the hebrew 14 years of age?
how old was mary when yhwh was breast feeding ?
where did you pull “lusting ” from? jesus told hebrew about grabbing young non-jewish beautiful girls. if one is not satisfied with the youngster , one can let her go for the next hebrew soldier .
Coco the dancing monkey has finally dared to speak up again!
For a 12 year old to marry would be seen as a crime in most modern societies. But it was not always like that. That is the point of this post you idiot. When David was ill, he lay with a very young girl so she could comfort him. Even though he didn’t have sex with her, it was implied that he could have if he was married to her.
P.S. why do you worship an old Canaanite deity with white hair? 😉
Poor qb got his feelings hurt because his blog is stupid!! Of course, your response is dumb.
You can’t deny that your prophet fondled his child bride before he started having sex with her, and that he fondled his wives during their menstruation.
“For a 12 year old to marry would be seen as a crime in most modern societies. But it was not always like that. That is the point of this post you idiot. “
The point of the post is to defend a flawed human being whose sexual proclivities were obscene, you moron. Muslims are commanded to view mohammed’s actions as the perfect example for all time which is why his exploitation of a child and his humiliation of his wives during their periods is a problem.
Let’s not even mention the issue of hygiene and that menstrual blood has the potential to become infected and bear disease – mohammed played around in it.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves.”
You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
All you’ve done is to highlight serious contadictions in the teachings of your “prophet” and his actions, but even worse, you have admitted that your prophet went against the clear command of his god.
“you have admitted that your prophet went against the clear command of his god.”
where did yhwh consider his eternal law on divorce as ADULTERY ?
jezer came down as a jew
i’ll just quote the jews on this to show what a son of a pig you are
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I am alarmed that you believe it to be speculation that Moses did not amend the Torah, because we were not privy to their meetings. With such a statement, you deny the whole of Torah!
Can you tell us what other emendations Moses made to the Torah? Can you tell us when he faithfully transmitted the teaching of God, or when instead he passed on his own ideas? Surely you know the purpose of the Sinai revelation: the mass revelation was performed so that the people would know they could trust Moses as a prophet (See Ex. 19). If Moses had the temerity to alter God’s law, he would have been removed. He would have to be, or we would always be left speculating if we were obeying God or following Moses.
Please understand that the speculation is yours and not mine. The Torah says nothing about Moses granting a leniency. Therefore, you have had to speculate that this is what has happened. That speculation is based on the teachings of a man over 1,000 years after the giving of the Torah. You have interpolated what is not in the text. This is speculation.
Of course, no one denies that it is ideal for people not to separate. No one is saying that divorce is ideal. But that is not the question. The question is whether or not God permitted divorce. And He did.
Actually, the question is much larger. It is prohibited to add or subtract from the Torah. And that is what Jesus has done. He has created a prohibition not found in the Torah. And worse, he created a new category of adultery.
The seriousness of this cannot be overstated. The Torah takes adultery quite seriously. It is a crime that carries the death penalty. By Jesus altering the law, he is making people liable to the death penalty for a practice previously allowed. Jesus has created a new category of a capital crime.
On a related note, you should question Jesus’ reasoning. He bases his argument on Genesis 2. But note how selectively he uses it. His disciples recognize that his stringency regarding divorce is difficult, and they say that it is better that one should not marry. Jesus affirms their conclusion, though acknowledging that not everyone can follow the teaching. But then one must ask, does not Genesis 2 teach that man should not be alone? Genesis 1 teaches that God made humanity to be male and female. If Jesus were consistent, he would teach that a man is not wholly complete until he has married. But Jesus is not consistent. And he has not thought through these matters very well.
I hope you can forgive my tone. It may seem a little harsh, but these are weighty matters and I do not wish the truth to be lost in the name of niceness.
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In any case, you have not addressed the main issue in any way. Jesus created a new definition of divorce (and marriage as well). He altered the Torah. He forbade what was permitted. Moreover, by attributing the law to Moses, he denied its true origin. This makes it seem like he is only rewriting Moses, a man. But he is actually rewriting God.
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now explain PIG of flesh god, WHY did a JEW CHANGE /CORRUPT THE ETERNAL LAWS OF YHWH .
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet used to lean on my lap and recite Qur’an while I was in menses.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296.
Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.”
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves
You’re such an idiot!
What is wrong with touching your wife when she is having menses?
As long as you don’t have contact with her private part then there is nothing wrong.
And btw if menstrual blood is so dirty (which it kinda is) to you then why did your pagan god come out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him?
“What is wrong with touching your wife when she is having menses?”
Seriously?
This is what’s wrong…..
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves.
You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
Numbers 31:16-18 is more than likely to be a metaphor for cleansing of the spirit of ungodly influences – it need not be historically true in order for it to be inerrant and godly teaching. So what exactly is your point?
The bible makes it clear that marriage is for procreation, the setting up of home as part of an independent member of the community, and to join the workforce, thus, men and women are marriageable when fully mature. Since love for your neighbour is one of the most important commandments, we are guided to marry at a time that causes no pain, suffering, or misery to both parties.
Having sex with a 9 year old is painful for the 9 year old, so it is unbiblical and those who do so commit sin since you are leading children astray and causing them to fornicate you are condemned to hell.
“secondly how does marrying a young bride nullify Prophethood?”
“YOUNG” bride is a bit misleading – mohammed had sex with a child.
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Numbers 31:16-18 is more than likely to be a metaphor for cleansing of the spirit of ungodly influences – it need not be historically true in order for it to be inerrant and godly teaching. So what exactly is your point?”
out of curiosity, when the bible says that israeli women were taken and raped, is that all metaphorical bullshit or was it literal?
i read the following :
Judges 5:28-30New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
28 “Out of the window she peered,
the mother of Sisera gazed[a] through the lattice:
‘Why is his chariot so long in coming?
Why tarry the hoofbeats of his chariots?’
29 Her wisest ladies make answer,
indeed, she answers the question herself:
30 ‘Are they not finding and dividing the spoil?—
A girl or two for every man;
spoil of dyed stuffs for Sisera,
spoil of dyed stuffs embroidered,
two pieces of dyed work embroidered for my neck as spoil?’
8 Then they said, “Is there anyone from the tribes of Israel who did not come up to the Lord to Mizpah?” It turned out that no one from Jabesh-gilead had come to the camp, to the assembly. 9 For when the roll was called among the people, not one of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead was there. 10 So the congregation sent twelve thousand soldiers there and commanded them, “Go, put the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead to the sword, including the women and the little ones. 11 This is what you shall do; every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall devote to destruction.” 12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man and brought them to the camp at Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
13 Then the whole congregation sent word to the Benjaminites who were at the rock of Rimmon, and proclaimed peace to them. 14 Benjamin returned at that time; and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead; but they did not suffice for them.
what are the WOMEN taken for here?
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Since love for your neighbour is one of the most important commandments, we are guided to marry at a time that causes no pain, suffering, or misery to both parties.
Having sex with a 9 year old is painful for the 9 year old, so it is unbiblical and those who do so commit sin since you are leading children astray and causing them to fornicate you are condemned to hell.”
do you have a vagina in order for you to know what is painful or did you ask your daughter when she was 9?
how about the age of 12 or 13?
where does the bible say that having sex with 6 year old or even younger is unbiblical?
since the criterion is painful, then when the israelite went around raping women during war was not neigbourly at all, was it ?
what makes you think biblical authors gave a shit about what caused women pain when it came to bedroom matters?
Moses and his men married/raped prepubescents according to your Bible:
Here are three accurate translations which show that the verse only speaks about ‘female children’:
Jubilee Bible 2000 – “But all the FEMALE CHILDREN that have not known a man by lying with him KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Webster’s Bible – “Translation But all the FEMALE CHILDREN that have not known a man by lying with him, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Living Bible (TLB) – “Only the LITTLE GIRLS may live; you may KEEP THEM FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Shaye J. D. Cohen who is the Littauer Professor of Hebrew Literature and Philosophy in the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations of Harvard University, explains that “ for yourselves” is clear that that Moses’s soldiers could use the females “sexually”:
“Moses enjoins upon the returning warriors to kill their Midianite female captives who have lain with a man, but ‘spare for yourselves every young woman who has not had carnal relations with a man’; WE MAY BE SURE THAT ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ MEANS THAT THE WARRIORS MAY ‘USE’ THEIR VIRGIN CAPTIVES SEXUALLY.52 The law in numbers differs from the law in Deuteronomy- perhaps the most significant distinction is that the law in Deuteronomy does not care whether the captive is a virgin or not- but it too permits Israelite warrior to marry (or ‘marry) a foreign woman.” (The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties [University of california Press, Berkeley / Los Angeles / London, The Regents of the University of California, 1999] by Shaye J. D. Cohen [chapter 8] page 255 – 256)
In footnote 52, Professor Shaye J.D. Cohen continues, this time explaining the Hebrew word “lakhem” (lachem) that it is “sexual” and this is how it was the understood by ancient scholars:
“I do not know why the new Jewish version omits ‘for yourselves’; the Hebrew LAKHEM IS UNAMBIGUOUS. That the intent of ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ IS SEXUAL OR MATRIMONIAL IS OBVIOUS; the passage is correctly understood by Rabbi Simeon Yohai in the Sifrei ad loc (177 212H).” (The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties [University of california Press, Berkeley / Los Angeles / London, The Regents of the University of California, 1999] by Shaye J. D. Cohen [chapter 8] page 255 – 256 – [Footnote 52])
In the Footnote section for the above it says that these female “children” were “permitted in marriage”, meaning they could be married off:
“(34) Num. XXXI, 18; it refers to the war captives.
(35) And though he was a priest, these CHILDREN were PERMITTED IN MARRIAGE.” (Talmud – Mas. Kiddushin 78a:45, page 261 – 262 – online source)
Chrstians don’t abide by the wisdom of rabbinic speculation and tradition – jesus was against all that, so your point makes no sense.
Anyways, it is in no way “obvious” that the plain meaning of the text is about sexualizing children – that is merely the mentality of someone in a religion whose founder lusted after a 6 year old and who is trying to justify said perversion.
To everyone else whose belief system is not grounded in defending the sexual excesses of a faux prophet, the plain text is obviously stating that the pure girls are to be incorporated into the nation of israel.
Mohammed disobeyed the explicit and plain word of his “god” by fondling his menstruating wives – you guys need to address this blasphemy.
Stupid qb – you are not making sense. What is your point idiot?
How does your prophet’s disobedience of the explicit command from your pretend god benefit from this argument – he still disobeyed a direct command? This is apostasy.
“To everyone else whose belief system is not grounded in defending the sexual excesses of a faux prophet, the plain text is obviously stating that the pure girls are to be incorporated into the nation of israel.”
there are academics who have said that it is about raping of youngsters and there is nothing in the religion of the hebrews which FORBIds RAPE during and after war .
Your question is stupid and nonsensical – you are too dumb to realize that. Why are you running away from the truth of your prophet’s disobedience?”
LOL, more of the same from Coco the dancing monkey! “You’re dumb. Your question is nonsense. Dumb, dumb, dumb.”
“So that he could be incarnated. Idiot.”
Hahahaha, so your god had to limit himself to being born of an impure and “sinful” woman just so he could be “incarnated”? So he came out covered in blood and other bodily fluids and yet you’re complaining about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) touching his wives while they were menstruating? Silly, moronic simian!
Do you know what happens during menstruation? If you don’t know, then don’t look it up now and then pretend that you did. Just answer the question. Do you know what happens during menstruation?
The Quran does not forbid husbands from touching their wives or fondling them while they are menstruating. The only thing that is forbidden is sex. Moreover, the hadiths you mentioned state clearly that his wives placed as “izar”. Go look up the meaning and educate yourself about what that means. I’ll get you started. It’s a kind of cloth. Now go and educate yourself in 5…4…3…2…1…and go!
Anyone who knows Arabic can see that you are way out of your league, little Coco. When the Quran says to “keep away”, it is in regards to sexual intercourse. As the late Mohammad Mohar Ali explained in his wonderful translation of the Holy Quran regarding the word “i’tazilu”:
“The term here is an indirect expression for abstaining from sexual intercourse” (A Word for Word Meaning of the Qu’ran, Vol. I, p. 109).
And regarding the phrase “do not approach”, he states likewise that:
“It is an indirect expression here meaning to refrain from sexual intercourse” (Ibid.)
The irony is that, in Christianity, there is nothing to keep a couple from engaging in intercourse even during the wife’s period. They can pollute themselves all they want because, allegedly, the laws of the Tanakh have been “abolished”. Of course, Ezekiel would disagree with these idiots. I wonder if Coco, if he is even married, follows the rules of the Tanakh or if he finds no reason to abstain from intercourse even during the menstrual period.
And finally…Coco…WHY DO YOU WORSHIP A CANAANITE DEITY? WHY IS YOUR GOD DESCRIBED AS AN OLD MAN?
“So he came out covered in blood and other bodily fluids and yet you’re complaining about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) touching his wives while they were menstruating? “
No menstruation boy, I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out that your prophet disobeyed the command of your allah goat thing. Get it, stupid?
“The Quran does not forbid husbands from touching their wives or fondling them while they are menstruating. The only thing that is forbidden is sex. Moreover, the hadiths you mentioned state clearly that his wives placed as “izar”. “
You poor brainwashed menstrual fluid.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves.
…allah.
The text says “IT IS HARM STAY AWAY FROM WIVES DURING MENSTRUATION”….what about that is talking about sex?
It say “STAY AWAY”, not “don’t have sex”. Don’t tell me that you can’t read simple ENglish?
I wouldn’t be surprised you imbecile.
“Anyone who knows Arabic can see that you are way out of your league, little Coco.”
LOL!! Don’t make me laugh, that “it means something different in arabic” doesn’t fly anymore. You believe that crap because you are stupid, anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.
“The irony is that, in Christianity, there is nothing to keep a couple from engaging in intercourse even during the wife’s period.”
You don’t know what irony means you imbecile. Your comment just shows how ignorant you are.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – your prophet disrespected the holey word of allah by reciting whilst TOUCHING a menstruating woman.
I’ve exposed this clown for pretending to know Hebrew. Now he is pretending to know Arabic. But he’s also an expert of textual criticism and Old Testament interpretation. Didn’t you know he is about to become a professor at Oxford University? lol
I think there is something wrong with him. He has this incessant need to always have the last word and pretend like he’s an expert on everything. We all know he just uses google
Lol, oh Cerbie please stop making me laugh so much! My sides will split!
You morons never give a substantive response. All you is dance and rant about people’s credentials! Which unaccredited university for Christian losers did you go to? Do tell, cause we’re all dying to know!
LOL, Coco the dancing chandelier monkey ran away from this discussion for a little while, probably because he was desperately looking for some way to respond. But like the little ignorant monkey, he gave up and thought he would sneak in and repeat same nonsense and hope no one would notice! Simian fail!
“No menstruation boy, I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out that your prophet disobeyed the command of your allah goat thing. Get it, stupid?”
LOL!!! You already got whooped on that matter! Let’s see what else you have to offer…
“The text says “IT IS HARM STAY AWAY FROM WIVES DURING MENSTRUATION”….what about that is talking about sex? It say “STAY AWAY”, not “don’t have sex”. Don’t tell me that you can’t read simple ENglish?”
ROTFL!! What an IMBECILE!!! Do you understand Arabic, you simian worshiper of an ovum? The Arabic words used denote SEX! You have nothing to counter with!
“LOL!! Don’t make me laugh, that “it means something different in arabic” doesn’t fly anymore. You believe that crap because you are stupid, anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.”
LOL, so Coco thinks he knows better! Don’t make me laugh, dancing monkey! Whatever you believe, no one cares. You are an idiot who lives in his simian fantasy. You are stupid. Anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.
“You don’t know what irony means you imbecile. Your comment just shows how ignorant you are.”
ROTFL!! Oh I know how ironic this whole conversation is. I asked your fellow clown madman to answer, but he ran away, so I’ll ask you: Can a Christian man have sex with his wife when she is menstruating?
I’m taking bets: Will Coco answer the question? Or will he dance around it?
“Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – your prophet disrespected the holey word of allah by reciting whilst TOUCHING a menstruating woman.”
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – but you’re an idiot who got severely whooped on this matter as anyone can see. You have NOTHING to respond with but your own pathetic opinion! No one cares what you think! The Prophet not only obeyed the command of God, he also showed us the moderate way in this matter. It’s not like the strict laws of the Tanakh, which Christians either pay lip-service to or completely ignore.
Now remember, answer the question flying chandelier monkey!
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This is the original article:
http://www.historyextra.com/article/feature/love-and-marriage-medieval-england-customs-vows-ceremony
There is nothing shocking about this In fact, Christians in London (Britain) married sometimes at a younger age than what is mentioned in the above article by BBC. Check this out for example:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/10/20/londons-child-marriages-1500-1800s/
Or in India currently:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/07/01/200-thousand-christian-children-were-married-before-10-in-india/
Or New Hampshire (America) right now:
“13-Year-Old Girls Permitted To Marry By Law In New Hampshire, America (2017)”
https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/03/12/13-year-old-girls-permitted-to-marry-by-law-in-new-hampshire-america-2017/
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You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
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Bro, good response to Coco, but please avoid using foul language. We should avoid going down to their level. Using humor is fine, but don’t use bad words.
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A 12 year old bride marrying a 14 year old boy is vastly different to a 50 year old man lusting after a 6 year old and marrying her, then forcing her to have sex at 9.
Also, Mohammed used to fondle Aisha before they started having sex and he fondled his wives during their menstrual period.
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when jesus told the jews to grab beautiful youngsters, was the hebrew 14 years of age?
how old was mary when yhwh was breast feeding ?
where did you pull “lusting ” from? jesus told hebrew about grabbing young non-jewish beautiful girls. if one is not satisfied with the youngster , one can let her go for the next hebrew soldier .
what is wrong with fondling ?
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Coco the dancing monkey has finally dared to speak up again!
For a 12 year old to marry would be seen as a crime in most modern societies. But it was not always like that. That is the point of this post you idiot. When David was ill, he lay with a very young girl so she could comfort him. Even though he didn’t have sex with her, it was implied that he could have if he was married to her.
P.S. why do you worship an old Canaanite deity with white hair? 😉
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LOL!!
Poor qb got his feelings hurt because his blog is stupid!! Of course, your response is dumb.
You can’t deny that your prophet fondled his child bride before he started having sex with her, and that he fondled his wives during their menstruation.
“For a 12 year old to marry would be seen as a crime in most modern societies. But it was not always like that. That is the point of this post you idiot. “
The point of the post is to defend a flawed human being whose sexual proclivities were obscene, you moron. Muslims are commanded to view mohammed’s actions as the perfect example for all time which is why his exploitation of a child and his humiliation of his wives during their periods is a problem.
Let’s not even mention the issue of hygiene and that menstrual blood has the potential to become infected and bear disease – mohammed played around in it.
Why did your prophet disobey the word of allah?
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You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
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All you’ve done is to highlight serious contadictions in the teachings of your “prophet” and his actions, but even worse, you have admitted that your prophet went against the clear command of his god.
Don’t you get tired being stupid?
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“you have admitted that your prophet went against the clear command of his god.”
where did yhwh consider his eternal law on divorce as ADULTERY ?
jezer came down as a jew
i’ll just quote the jews on this to show what a son of a pig you are
quote :
I am alarmed that you believe it to be speculation that Moses did not amend the Torah, because we were not privy to their meetings. With such a statement, you deny the whole of Torah!
Can you tell us what other emendations Moses made to the Torah? Can you tell us when he faithfully transmitted the teaching of God, or when instead he passed on his own ideas? Surely you know the purpose of the Sinai revelation: the mass revelation was performed so that the people would know they could trust Moses as a prophet (See Ex. 19). If Moses had the temerity to alter God’s law, he would have been removed. He would have to be, or we would always be left speculating if we were obeying God or following Moses.
Please understand that the speculation is yours and not mine. The Torah says nothing about Moses granting a leniency. Therefore, you have had to speculate that this is what has happened. That speculation is based on the teachings of a man over 1,000 years after the giving of the Torah. You have interpolated what is not in the text. This is speculation.
Of course, no one denies that it is ideal for people not to separate. No one is saying that divorce is ideal. But that is not the question. The question is whether or not God permitted divorce. And He did.
Actually, the question is much larger. It is prohibited to add or subtract from the Torah. And that is what Jesus has done. He has created a prohibition not found in the Torah. And worse, he created a new category of adultery.
The seriousness of this cannot be overstated. The Torah takes adultery quite seriously. It is a crime that carries the death penalty. By Jesus altering the law, he is making people liable to the death penalty for a practice previously allowed. Jesus has created a new category of a capital crime.
On a related note, you should question Jesus’ reasoning. He bases his argument on Genesis 2. But note how selectively he uses it. His disciples recognize that his stringency regarding divorce is difficult, and they say that it is better that one should not marry. Jesus affirms their conclusion, though acknowledging that not everyone can follow the teaching. But then one must ask, does not Genesis 2 teach that man should not be alone? Genesis 1 teaches that God made humanity to be male and female. If Jesus were consistent, he would teach that a man is not wholly complete until he has married. But Jesus is not consistent. And he has not thought through these matters very well.
I hope you can forgive my tone. It may seem a little harsh, but these are weighty matters and I do not wish the truth to be lost in the name of niceness.
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In any case, you have not addressed the main issue in any way. Jesus created a new definition of divorce (and marriage as well). He altered the Torah. He forbade what was permitted. Moreover, by attributing the law to Moses, he denied its true origin. This makes it seem like he is only rewriting Moses, a man. But he is actually rewriting God.
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now explain PIG of flesh god, WHY did a JEW CHANGE /CORRUPT THE ETERNAL LAWS OF YHWH .
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DO YOU SEE YOU SON OF A BITCH HOW THE JEWS USE SIMILAR ARGUMENTS TO SCUM PIECE OF SHIT LIKE YOU
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That speculation is based on the teachings of a man over 1,000 years after the giving of the Torah.
DO YOU SEE YOU SONS OF BITCHES ?
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Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299.
…..allah
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You’re such an idiot!
What is wrong with touching your wife when she is having menses?
As long as you don’t have contact with her private part then there is nothing wrong.
And btw if menstrual blood is so dirty (which it kinda is) to you then why did your pagan god come out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him?
BITCHSLAP!
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belieber
“What is wrong with touching your wife when she is having menses?”
Seriously?
This is what’s wrong…..
…..allah (supposedly).
Your prophet disobeyed his god.
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You fucking trash. It’s only forbidden to have sexual intercourse with them during their menses. You pathetic crosstians always say ‘you have to go to Muhammad to better understand the Quran’ and when it doesn’t suite you, you do the exact opposite.
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, “Do everything (during the woman’s menstruation) except intercourse.” (Sahih Muslim)
That’s the meaning behind Q. 2:222. The prophet knows the Quran best so we’ll follow him then your bullshit.
Now go worship your mangod who came out of a vagina with blood and goo all over him you pathteic loser.
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Joel maybe you can show us from the Bible what is the age consent for marriage?
secondly how does marrying a young bride nullify Prophethood?
Numbers 31:17-18 Moses was over 80 years old when Yahweh commended him and his followers to take infant girls and devour them
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Musty
Numbers 31:16-18 is more than likely to be a metaphor for cleansing of the spirit of ungodly influences – it need not be historically true in order for it to be inerrant and godly teaching. So what exactly is your point?
The bible makes it clear that marriage is for procreation, the setting up of home as part of an independent member of the community, and to join the workforce, thus, men and women are marriageable when fully mature. Since love for your neighbour is one of the most important commandments, we are guided to marry at a time that causes no pain, suffering, or misery to both parties.
Having sex with a 9 year old is painful for the 9 year old, so it is unbiblical and those who do so commit sin since you are leading children astray and causing them to fornicate you are condemned to hell.
“secondly how does marrying a young bride nullify Prophethood?”
“YOUNG” bride is a bit misleading – mohammed had sex with a child.
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Numbers 31:16-18 is more than likely to be a metaphor for cleansing of the spirit of ungodly influences – it need not be historically true in order for it to be inerrant and godly teaching. So what exactly is your point?”
out of curiosity, when the bible says that israeli women were taken and raped, is that all metaphorical bullshit or was it literal?
i read the following :
Judges 5:28-30New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
28 “Out of the window she peered,
the mother of Sisera gazed[a] through the lattice:
‘Why is his chariot so long in coming?
Why tarry the hoofbeats of his chariots?’
29 Her wisest ladies make answer,
indeed, she answers the question herself:
30 ‘Are they not finding and dividing the spoil?—
A girl or two for every man;
spoil of dyed stuffs for Sisera,
spoil of dyed stuffs embroidered,
two pieces of dyed work embroidered for my neck as spoil?’
8 Then they said, “Is there anyone from the tribes of Israel who did not come up to the Lord to Mizpah?” It turned out that no one from Jabesh-gilead had come to the camp, to the assembly. 9 For when the roll was called among the people, not one of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead was there. 10 So the congregation sent twelve thousand soldiers there and commanded them, “Go, put the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead to the sword, including the women and the little ones. 11 This is what you shall do; every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall devote to destruction.” 12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man and brought them to the camp at Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
13 Then the whole congregation sent word to the Benjaminites who were at the rock of Rimmon, and proclaimed peace to them. 14 Benjamin returned at that time; and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead; but they did not suffice for them.
what are the WOMEN taken for here?
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Since love for your neighbour is one of the most important commandments, we are guided to marry at a time that causes no pain, suffering, or misery to both parties.
Having sex with a 9 year old is painful for the 9 year old, so it is unbiblical and those who do so commit sin since you are leading children astray and causing them to fornicate you are condemned to hell.”
do you have a vagina in order for you to know what is painful or did you ask your daughter when she was 9?
how about the age of 12 or 13?
where does the bible say that having sex with 6 year old or even younger is unbiblical?
since the criterion is painful, then when the israelite went around raping women during war was not neigbourly at all, was it ?
what makes you think biblical authors gave a shit about what caused women pain when it came to bedroom matters?
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Joel,
Moses and his men married/raped prepubescents according to your Bible:
Here are three accurate translations which show that the verse only speaks about ‘female children’:
Jubilee Bible 2000 – “But all the FEMALE CHILDREN that have not known a man by lying with him KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Webster’s Bible – “Translation But all the FEMALE CHILDREN that have not known a man by lying with him, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Living Bible (TLB) – “Only the LITTLE GIRLS may live; you may KEEP THEM FOR YOURSELVES.” – Numbers 31:18
Shaye J. D. Cohen who is the Littauer Professor of Hebrew Literature and Philosophy in the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations of Harvard University, explains that “ for yourselves” is clear that that Moses’s soldiers could use the females “sexually”:
“Moses enjoins upon the returning warriors to kill their Midianite female captives who have lain with a man, but ‘spare for yourselves every young woman who has not had carnal relations with a man’; WE MAY BE SURE THAT ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ MEANS THAT THE WARRIORS MAY ‘USE’ THEIR VIRGIN CAPTIVES SEXUALLY.52 The law in numbers differs from the law in Deuteronomy- perhaps the most significant distinction is that the law in Deuteronomy does not care whether the captive is a virgin or not- but it too permits Israelite warrior to marry (or ‘marry) a foreign woman.” (The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties [University of california Press, Berkeley / Los Angeles / London, The Regents of the University of California, 1999] by Shaye J. D. Cohen [chapter 8] page 255 – 256)
In footnote 52, Professor Shaye J.D. Cohen continues, this time explaining the Hebrew word “lakhem” (lachem) that it is “sexual” and this is how it was the understood by ancient scholars:
“I do not know why the new Jewish version omits ‘for yourselves’; the Hebrew LAKHEM IS UNAMBIGUOUS. That the intent of ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ IS SEXUAL OR MATRIMONIAL IS OBVIOUS; the passage is correctly understood by Rabbi Simeon Yohai in the Sifrei ad loc (177 212H).” (The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties [University of california Press, Berkeley / Los Angeles / London, The Regents of the University of California, 1999] by Shaye J. D. Cohen [chapter 8] page 255 – 256 – [Footnote 52])
In the Footnote section for the above it says that these female “children” were “permitted in marriage”, meaning they could be married off:
“(34) Num. XXXI, 18; it refers to the war captives.
(35) And though he was a priest, these CHILDREN were PERMITTED IN MARRIAGE.” (Talmud – Mas. Kiddushin 78a:45, page 261 – 262 – online source)
More information in the following article;
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/07/a-detailed-historical-examination-of-numbers-3118/
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flying
Chrstians don’t abide by the wisdom of rabbinic speculation and tradition – jesus was against all that, so your point makes no sense.
Anyways, it is in no way “obvious” that the plain meaning of the text is about sexualizing children – that is merely the mentality of someone in a religion whose founder lusted after a 6 year old and who is trying to justify said perversion.
To everyone else whose belief system is not grounded in defending the sexual excesses of a faux prophet, the plain text is obviously stating that the pure girls are to be incorporated into the nation of israel.
Mohammed disobeyed the explicit and plain word of his “god” by fondling his menstruating wives – you guys need to address this blasphemy.
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Joel
Mohammed disobeyed the explicit and plain word of his “god” by fondling his menstruating wives – you guys need to address this blasphemy.
I say;
But your God Jesus Christ came out of menstruation which is impure.
Thanks.
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intellect
Is it in he quran that women menstruate during pregnancy? LOL!!
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Lol, you moron! The point is that your god came out of a woman covered with blood and other bodily fluids!
Also, do you even know what menstruation is? Do you know what part of a woman changes during menstruation?
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qb
Stupid qb – you are not making sense. What is your point idiot?
How does your prophet’s disobedience of the explicit command from your pretend god benefit from this argument – he still disobeyed a direct command? This is apostasy.
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Hahaha, another typical response by the howling monkey! Why did your god come out of an impure and “sinful” woman? Why is your god an old man?
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qb
Moron.
Your question is stupid and nonsensical – you are too dumb to realize that. Why are you running away from the truth of your prophet’s disobedience?
“Why did your god come out of an impure and “sinful” woman?
So that he could be incarnated. Idiot.
LOLL!!
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in first century, which revelations did jews receive that said yhwh was born of a vagina?
do you believe yhwh was born of a vagina?
how old was mary when yhwh was breast feeding?
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there you go using singular pronouns .
the father did not incarnate
the ghost did not incarnate
only the son incarnated
how many is the son? he sure isn’t triune
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“To everyone else whose belief system is not grounded in defending the sexual excesses of a faux prophet, the plain text is obviously stating that the pure girls are to be incorporated into the nation of israel.”
there are academics who have said that it is about raping of youngsters and there is nothing in the religion of the hebrews which FORBIds RAPE during and after war .
this guys an athiest
https://turchisrong.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=empty+tomb
he also argues that yhwh not only DELIGHTS in rape but sanctions it as well .
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“Moron.
Your question is stupid and nonsensical – you are too dumb to realize that. Why are you running away from the truth of your prophet’s disobedience?”
LOL, more of the same from Coco the dancing monkey! “You’re dumb. Your question is nonsense. Dumb, dumb, dumb.”
“So that he could be incarnated. Idiot.”
Hahahaha, so your god had to limit himself to being born of an impure and “sinful” woman just so he could be “incarnated”? So he came out covered in blood and other bodily fluids and yet you’re complaining about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) touching his wives while they were menstruating? Silly, moronic simian!
Do you know what happens during menstruation? If you don’t know, then don’t look it up now and then pretend that you did. Just answer the question. Do you know what happens during menstruation?
The Quran does not forbid husbands from touching their wives or fondling them while they are menstruating. The only thing that is forbidden is sex. Moreover, the hadiths you mentioned state clearly that his wives placed as “izar”. Go look up the meaning and educate yourself about what that means. I’ll get you started. It’s a kind of cloth. Now go and educate yourself in 5…4…3…2…1…and go!
Anyone who knows Arabic can see that you are way out of your league, little Coco. When the Quran says to “keep away”, it is in regards to sexual intercourse. As the late Mohammad Mohar Ali explained in his wonderful translation of the Holy Quran regarding the word “i’tazilu”:
“The term here is an indirect expression for abstaining from sexual intercourse” (A Word for Word Meaning of the Qu’ran, Vol. I, p. 109).
And regarding the phrase “do not approach”, he states likewise that:
“It is an indirect expression here meaning to refrain from sexual intercourse” (Ibid.)
The irony is that, in Christianity, there is nothing to keep a couple from engaging in intercourse even during the wife’s period. They can pollute themselves all they want because, allegedly, the laws of the Tanakh have been “abolished”. Of course, Ezekiel would disagree with these idiots. I wonder if Coco, if he is even married, follows the rules of the Tanakh or if he finds no reason to abstain from intercourse even during the menstrual period.
And finally…Coco…WHY DO YOU WORSHIP A CANAANITE DEITY? WHY IS YOUR GOD DESCRIBED AS AN OLD MAN?
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He’s too busy worshiping a pagan god coming out of a woman’s private part.
Disgusting cult!
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qb
Idiot.
“So he came out covered in blood and other bodily fluids and yet you’re complaining about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) touching his wives while they were menstruating? “
No menstruation boy, I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out that your prophet disobeyed the command of your allah goat thing. Get it, stupid?
“The Quran does not forbid husbands from touching their wives or fondling them while they are menstruating. The only thing that is forbidden is sex. Moreover, the hadiths you mentioned state clearly that his wives placed as “izar”. “
You poor brainwashed menstrual fluid.
…allah.
The text says “IT IS HARM STAY AWAY FROM WIVES DURING MENSTRUATION”….what about that is talking about sex?
It say “STAY AWAY”, not “don’t have sex”. Don’t tell me that you can’t read simple ENglish?
I wouldn’t be surprised you imbecile.
“Anyone who knows Arabic can see that you are way out of your league, little Coco.”
LOL!! Don’t make me laugh, that “it means something different in arabic” doesn’t fly anymore. You believe that crap because you are stupid, anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.
“The irony is that, in Christianity, there is nothing to keep a couple from engaging in intercourse even during the wife’s period.”
You don’t know what irony means you imbecile. Your comment just shows how ignorant you are.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – your prophet disrespected the holey word of allah by reciting whilst TOUCHING a menstruating woman.
SOrry menstruation boy, you have to deal with it.
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belieber
“He’s too busy worshiping a pagan god coming out of a woman’s private part.
Disgusting cult!”
Poor stupid moron belieber! Now you are reduced to making stupid comments on other idiot’s stupid comments, sloppy second boy!
You’ve taken such a beating. LOL!!!
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I’ve exposed this clown for pretending to know Hebrew. Now he is pretending to know Arabic. But he’s also an expert of textual criticism and Old Testament interpretation. Didn’t you know he is about to become a professor at Oxford University? lol
I think there is something wrong with him. He has this incessant need to always have the last word and pretend like he’s an expert on everything. We all know he just uses google
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Lol, oh Cerbie please stop making me laugh so much! My sides will split!
You morons never give a substantive response. All you is dance and rant about people’s credentials! Which unaccredited university for Christian losers did you go to? Do tell, cause we’re all dying to know!
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LOL, Coco the dancing chandelier monkey ran away from this discussion for a little while, probably because he was desperately looking for some way to respond. But like the little ignorant monkey, he gave up and thought he would sneak in and repeat same nonsense and hope no one would notice! Simian fail!
“No menstruation boy, I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out that your prophet disobeyed the command of your allah goat thing. Get it, stupid?”
LOL!!! You already got whooped on that matter! Let’s see what else you have to offer…
“The text says “IT IS HARM STAY AWAY FROM WIVES DURING MENSTRUATION”….what about that is talking about sex? It say “STAY AWAY”, not “don’t have sex”. Don’t tell me that you can’t read simple ENglish?”
ROTFL!! What an IMBECILE!!! Do you understand Arabic, you simian worshiper of an ovum? The Arabic words used denote SEX! You have nothing to counter with!
“LOL!! Don’t make me laugh, that “it means something different in arabic” doesn’t fly anymore. You believe that crap because you are stupid, anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.”
LOL, so Coco thinks he knows better! Don’t make me laugh, dancing monkey! Whatever you believe, no one cares. You are an idiot who lives in his simian fantasy. You are stupid. Anyone with more than the one brain cell that you have knows better.
“You don’t know what irony means you imbecile. Your comment just shows how ignorant you are.”
ROTFL!! Oh I know how ironic this whole conversation is. I asked your fellow clown madman to answer, but he ran away, so I’ll ask you: Can a Christian man have sex with his wife when she is menstruating?
I’m taking bets: Will Coco answer the question? Or will he dance around it?
“Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – your prophet disrespected the holey word of allah by reciting whilst TOUCHING a menstruating woman.”
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news – but you’re an idiot who got severely whooped on this matter as anyone can see. You have NOTHING to respond with but your own pathetic opinion! No one cares what you think! The Prophet not only obeyed the command of God, he also showed us the moderate way in this matter. It’s not like the strict laws of the Tanakh, which Christians either pay lip-service to or completely ignore.
Now remember, answer the question flying chandelier monkey!
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So answer from the flying monkey!
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