Samaritan
October 11, 2017 • 8:59 pm
I’m not anti-Muslim. I’m anti-terrorism. I’m anti-anything that drives or advocates that terrorism. Which is why I’m anti-Islam.
I say;
Then you have to be anti-white men supremacist like Donald Trump who supports white supremacists. You have to be anti-white people because terrorist who are white in the US are more than the Muslim terrorists. Many reports and findings suggests white supremacist terrorism like the the one that killed more than 200 people and injured more than 500 recently is more of a threat in US than Muslims who are terrorist.
Robert Spencer, David Wood, Fox news etc. will not record it on their Jihad Watch. So according to Robert Spencer, a white can kill as much as he wants but he(Robert) will have time to record Muslim terrorists who are lesser than white terrorists like his color.
He will say the white terrorists are having mental problems like how Donald Trump will refer to white terrorist as having mental issues.
That is why we call you bad Samaritan as anti-Muslims. On the Christian terrorist we have Christians who target and kill doctors claiming the planned parenthood kill babies. The Muslim terrorists claim US bomb their countries and support oppression somewhere.
These Christian terrorists get their motivation from Jesus himself, when he god angry(sinfulness and sinful nature according to Ken Temple) and destroy peoples tables and chairs, when he was not in power but when in power he and his followers will;
Luke 19:27
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New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
If you do not want religion that promotes terrorism, then charity begins at home, be anti-Christianity first.
Have you watch the US and the Dutch Quran experiments? If no, you better watch them with an open mind.
This is a religion blog, let’s try to keep politics and race out of it eh.
As for your desperate nonsense about Jesus motivating terrorism. Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
Samaritan
October 12, 2017 • 11:21 am
Intellect by name, unintellectual by nature,
This is a religion blog, let’s try to keep politics and race out of it eh.
As for your desperate nonsense about Jesus motivating terrorism. Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
I say;
When a white Christian terrorist killed more than 200 people and Christian anti abortionists killed doctors and civilians at planned parenthood, you call it non religions. But if someone with middle eastern name kills someone, you blame it on Islam.
You said;
Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
I say;
Like what? Give me an example or be specific to educate us on what I said and you think is not true. I have been giving you examples of your ignorance which is insanity.
Example: You said Allah is a moon God and I corrected you where Allah commanded humans not to worship moon except Him(Allah) alone.
You have been talking about thins you know relatively nothing about here. You said Allah is from satan bur Jews and Arab Christians worship Allah. Allah said He is the only one true God of Jesus and Jesus confirmed by going to the only true God who is not Jesus. Allah condemned satan for he(satan) influence people like you to worship a creature(man) like any idol worshiper who worships cow and monkey thinks God reincarnated into flesh. Allah condemned satan for playing a part in leading people astray. You are the most ignorant fellow on this blog. Even Paulus whom we consider less knowledgeable, is more in knowledge than you and he will not say Alla is a moon God.
Any way it is not your fault but the fault of liars like this one(Sam Shamoun)
I advise you to do your own research and stop visiting the sites of David, Shamoun, Spencer etc.
LOL, the KKK identifies as a Christian organization. So does the LRA in Uganda. They are all Christian terrorists who worship an old man with white hair.
Poor qb – dumb as ever. Your religion is cobbled together fables, fairy tales, rabbinic religious speculations, and rejected christian apocrypha. It#s so obviously man made that only an imbecile like you could be so rabidly taken in by the nonsense of it. Your prophet played with menstrual blood against the explicit command of your goat god, so even mohammed realized it was all a bunch of crap.
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet used to lean on my lap and recite Qur’an while I was in menses.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296.
Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.”
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves
Lol, you know it makes sense. This is just your excuse for avoiding an answer. Read the book of Daniel, howling monkey. Your god is the same as El, the Canaanite high god.
that’s an amazingly quick repsonse for someone who can’t give quick respsonses because they’re o their “cellphone”. What you mean menses boy, is that you are waiting for your imam to call to tell you what to think. You are a moron.
And no, you haven’t made a point – your comment doesn’t even make sense you imbecile.
“Isis are a RELIGIOUS extremist group”
Isis is more political then a religious topic and you know it.
Actually never mind, you’re still too stupid to realize that Isis is a mercenary group.
Yeah… but Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris told me that Muslims are the evilest evil that has ever eviled in the history of evil, so I must be right, right folks? #TrumpTrain #FakeNews #TrumpsIQTrumpsTillersonsIQ
LOL!! I doubt very much that your response will even make any sense. You are a moron who can barely string a meaningful sentence together. So, where are you running to now? Can’t answer without running to your imam to do your “thinking” for you?
Lol, you silly little monkey! Some of us actually have jobs and a life. We humans have other things to do. You wouldn’t understand Coco. When I have more tme, I will expose you InshaAllah.
You moron, you can’t respond because the text clearly states that you venerate and imitate a man who disobeyed the word of your one legged, double right-handed, and hairy milk producing god just so he could play around in haram blood.
Your prophet disobeyed an explicit command from your eternally one goat not to go near women who are having menstruation – he even disrespected your hairy deity by reciting its words whilst in contact with a menstruating woman.
if you even understood little bit of arabic you would stfu. there is absolutely not even one hint in any of that verse which says that one cannot touch menstruating wife.
you have come again for reddening , why don’t you have shame for yourself? are you a prostitute?
how many from the triplets are currently in you? what does one person mean?
is it a oneness like a goat has oneness?
You idiot – we’re not all as dumb as you, and nowhere near as gullible. That “it’s different in Arabic” crap only works on gullible fools like yourself.
Use your common sense, and admit you venerate a man who disobeyed the scriptures he claimed to be revealing. Perhaps he forgot those verses?
Also, I notice that qb liked your stupid comment – hey qb, come out and play, don’t hide away all day!!!
mr.heathcliff is right. The says the womb of a woman is dirty and that is where your God came from. I can’t believe a God who is pure to come from impure womb and blood. That is not God.
One of the proof:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, … If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days. … And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days. … But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days. Leviticus 12:1-5
Christian God= 1 person + 1 Person + 1 person = 3 persons(people) = idolatry.
God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit = 3 Gods = polytheism.
Goat.= 1 goat + 1 goat + 1 goat = 3 Goats counted 3 like Trinitarian God counted 3 and many.
Muslim God.
God of the Bible.
1 God. Who else? The Bible said no one else.
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10
You cannot add any person to the one God of Bible unless you are an idol worshiper like Joel.
Coco the dancing monkey asked why the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to fondle his wives while they were menstruating and yet the Quran states that husbands should not “approach” their wives while they are menstruating. The moron thinks this is a contradiction, but actually, the hadith shows that completely avoiding any physical contact or affection with one’s wife is unnecessary and extreme. Only idiots like Coco may think that one has to avoid any contact with one’s wife, but Islam is is much more pragmatic.
The hadiths reveal that there was a prevailing taboo among the Arabs and Jews of making any contact with menstruating women, including even eating with them. The Prophet taught that having such contact was not forbidden. Rather, only sexual intercourse was forbidden:
“Abdullah bin Sa’d narrated:
I asked the Prophet about eating with a menstruating woman. He said: “Eat with her.”” (Tirmidhi)
“Anas bin Malik said: Among the Jews when a woman menstruated, they did not eat with her and drink with her and did not associate with her in their houses, so the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) was questioned about it. Hence, Allah the Exalted revealed “And they ask you about menstruation,. Say “It is harmful, so keep aloof from women during menstruation till the end of the verse. The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) said “Associate with them in the houses and do everything except sexual intercourse. The Jews thereupon said “This man does not leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid bin Hudair and Abbad bin Bishr came to the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) and said, Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) the Jews are saying such and such. Shall we not have intercourse with them during their menstruation? The face of the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, so they went out. They were met by a gift of milk which was being brought to the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) and he sent after them, whereby we felt that he was not angry with them.” (Abu Dawud)
” Narrated Abdullah ibn Sa’d al-Ansari: Abdullah asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): What is lawful for me to do with my wife when she is menstruating? He replied: What is above the waist-wrapper is lawful for you.
The narrator also mentioned (the lawfulness of) eating with a woman in menstruation, and he transmitted the tradition in full.” (Abu Dawud)
“Narrated Um `Atiya: We were ordered to bring out our menstruating women and veiled women in the religious gatherings and invocation of Muslims on the two `Id festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from their Musalla. A woman asked, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) ‘ What about one who does not have a veil?” He said, “Let her share the veil of her companion.”” (Bukhari)
So, Islam did away with the ancient and baseless traditions of the pre-Islamic Arabs and brought a pragmatic and progressive approach to menstruation. Menstruating women were not so “impure” as to be completely avoided. They were allowed to conduct their regular affairs, and even attend the Eid gatherings. This is the wonderful religion of Islam.
Now on to Coco’s embarrassing situation with his Canaanite god. I mentioned the book of Daniel but Coco is just too afraid to deal with the issue. In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:
“[t]he imagery probably comes from Canaanite mythology, in which El was regarded as an aged deity with grey hair.”
Moreover, the imagery of a “son of man” approaching the “Ancient of Days” shares similarities with Canaanite myth. According to Hammer:
“[i]n Ugaritic texts Baal, the younger god, is described as the one who slew the dragon Itu and so gained victory over the sea, thus establishing his kingship. (In verses 13-14 the second figure is seen as the recipient of authority at the hand of the ‘ancient in years’ and this may reflect the ancient mythology preserved in the enthronement festival of New Year rites.”
Thus, the anthropomorphic characteristics of God raise serious questions about the influence of pagan culture on Jewish monotheism. Given the fact that pagan cultures dominated the Holy Land for hundreds of years, it is not surprising that some theological influences did occur.
Now let’s see if Coco will have the guts to answer why he worships a Canaanite deity. Or will the monkey dance?
Joel the idiot is back boys!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s partyyyyy!
Smack this loser around some more!
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from ours?
Let’s watch joel the complete IDIOT continue dogging the question with the typical ‘response’:
“So so so so so so duuuuuuumb, your comment makes no seeeeense, you wrote a comment and because it’s long it has become worthless, I’m gonna change the topic to something else, etc etc etc”
Damn I love smacking this buffoon!
Boy turn that other cheek so I can bitchslap it again.
20 Then David said to all the assembly, “Now bless Yahweh your God.” And all the assembly blessed Yahweh, the God of their fathers, and bowed low and worshiped Yahweh and the king. …. 22b And they made Solomon the son of David king a second time, and they anointed him as ruler for the Lord and Zadok as priest. 23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of Yahweh as king instead of David his father; and he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him.
1 For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love.
My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
2 Thou art fairer than the sons of men; Grace is poured upon Thy lips; Therefore God has blessed Thee forever.
3 Gird Thy sword on Thy thigh, O Mighty One, In Thy splendor and Thy majesty!
4 And in Thy majesty ride on victoriously, For the cause of truth and meekness and righteousness; Let Thy right hand teach Thee awesome things.
5 Thine arrows are sharp; The peoples fall under Thee; Thine arrows are in the heart of the King’s enemies.
6 Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.
7 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee With the oil of joy above Thy fellows.
8 All Thy garments are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; Out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made Thee glad.
9 Kings’ daughters are among Thy noble ladies; At Thy right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir.
10 Listen, O daughter, give attention and incline your ear; Forget your people and your father’s house;
11 Then the King will desire your beauty; Because He is your Lord, bow down to Him.
12 And the daughter of Tyre will come with a gift; The rich among the people will entreat your favor.
13 The King’s daughter is all glorious within; Her clothing is interwoven with gold.
14 She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to Thee.
15 They will be led forth with gladness and rejoicing; They will enter into the King’s palace.
16 In place of your fathers will be your sons; You shall make them princes in all the earth.
17 I will cause Thy name to be remembered in all generations; Therefore the peoples will give Thee thanks forever and ever.
you shouldn’t have a problem with veneration . if you could worship a bruised and battered jew , how much would you have been bowing down and serving solomon who was seated on yhwhs throne?
why this highly “venerative” language for mere mortal?
what were these writers doing? didn’t they know they were in danger of turning earthly kings into gods?
Any reference to David is incidental to provide a backdrop. The future king Messiah is in view.
“How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from ours?”
Any Muslim care to define the oneness of Allah?
Is it a mystery akin to the trinity?
Does Allah have problems explaining what he is to his creatures? Can we believe in a God who can’t explain himself adequately?
[37.4] Most surely your God is One:
” In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:”
In the vision God has to be represented in some kind of human form. He can’t be invisible. It has nothing to do with canaanite deities.
The Uncleanness of Women
Leviticus 15 v 19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
Only the touching of the woman was forbidden. Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses through his behaviour with Aisha.
““Anas bin Malik said: Among the Jews when a woman menstruated, they did not eat with her and drink with her and did not associate with her in their houses,”
So all the Jews had to do was refer to their scripture to correct their behaviour.
“” Narrated Abdullah ibn Sa’d al-Ansari: Abdullah asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): What is lawful for me to do with my wife when she is menstruating? He replied: What is above the waist-wrapper is lawful for you.”
Here Mohammed is commanding the Jews to break the law of Moses. This proves that Mohammed cannot be a prophet from God, at least for Jews and Christians who follow their books.
“They were allowed to conduct their regular affairs, and even attend the Eid gatherings. This is the wonderful religion of Islam.”
But not attend Friday prayers in the mosque?
We know that Mohammed discouraged women from attending prayers at the mosque. He told them they should stay at home.
A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.
LOL, madman somehow worked up the courage to try to answer the question that so many of idiotic brethren have been avoiding! Unfortunately, madman was up to his usual nonsense.
“In the vision God has to be represented in some kind of human form. He can’t be invisible. It has nothing to do with canaanite deities.”
WOW! Talk about special pleading!
It has EVERYTHING to do with Canaanite deities, you ignorant fool! The “vision” borrows from pagan mythology. God appeared as an old man! That was the so-called “vision”! It wasn’t simply a matter of using Canaanite words like “El” for God. In this case, the author deliberately used Canaanite mythology to describe God. Ergo, your god is an old man with white hair. Ergo, you are a pagan.
“Only the touching of the woman was forbidden. Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses through his behaviour with Aisha.”
LOL!! Madman exposes his ignorance of the Bible yet again! Let’s see what the Bible says:
” And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.”
So, even lying in the same bed or touching anything she has touched makes the man unclean as well. Not only that, but verse 19 says that during the menstrual period, the woman must be “put apart”. In other words, there would have to be COMPLETE separation from the husband and wife. Stop your lying madman.
Also, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not bound to the Law of Moses. That law was for the Jews only. With the coming of Islam, many of the rules of Mosaic Law were relaxed. The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.
“So all the Jews had to do was refer to their scripture to correct their behaviour.”
NO! Leviticus is clear that there was to be complete separation, you dingbat.
“Here Mohammed is commanding the Jews to break the law of Moses. This proves that Mohammed cannot be a prophet from God, at least for Jews and Christians who follow their books.”
LOL, Christian hypocrisy rears its ugly head again! Earth to madman: you don’t follow the law of Moses you idiot! Your false apostle Paul said the law no longer applies! So HE was the false prophet! Ezekiel was very clear that the law of Moses and the temple sacrifice was to last FOREVER. Your false prophet Paul negated that!
“But not attend Friday prayers in the mosque?
We know that Mohammed discouraged women from attending prayers at the mosque. He told them they should stay at home.”
LOL, is it surprising that madman is also ignorant of Islam when he already so ignorant of his own Bible?
Women can attend Friday prayers or any prayers in the mosque, idiot. Also, “discouraging” is not the same as “preventing”. It was better for them to pray at home but they were allowed to go the mosque as well.
“Salim narrated it from his father (‘Abdullah b. Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
When women ask permission for going to the mosque, do not prevent them” (Sahih Muslim).
“Ibn ‘Umar reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying; Do not prevent your women from visiting the mosque; but their houses are better for them (for praying)” (Abu Dawud).
” Ibn ‘Umar reported:
Grant permission to women for going to the mosque in the night. His son who was called Waqid said: Then they would make mischief. He (the narrator) said: He thumped his (son’s) chest and said: I am narrating to you the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and you say: No!” (Sahih Muslim).
“A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.”
LOL, that’s because your false apostle said Christians don’t have to follow the law of Moses anymore. That is why he was a liar! He contradicted Ezekiel!
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
@ perhaps Quaran and bible blog could point out in the bible where God is portrayed as an aged man? I must have missed that.
What’s the big deal about white hair? Doesn’t allah have 99 personalities and 2 right hands,
A caananite deity is risible. Muslim apologists love to say how evil Jehovah is/was for ordering the ethnic cleansing of Canaan. Now he is a caananite deity.
Perhaps Achilles should read Daniel 7 and the description of the “Ancient of Days”.
What’s the “big deal” about white hair, you ask? Um, let’ see. There’s a seemingly endless list of reasons why it’s a “big deal”. First of all, describing God with human qualities is what pagans do. Second, the imagery of a white-haired god is borrowed from Canaanite myth, as any historian will tell you.
In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:
“[t]he imagery probably comes from Canaanite mythology, in which El was regarded as an aged deity with grey hair.”
Moreover, the imagery of a “son of man” approaching the “Ancient of Days” shares similarities with Canaanite myth. According to Hammer:
“[i]n Ugaritic texts Baal, the younger god, is described as the one who slew the dragon Itu and so gained victory over the sea, thus establishing his kingship. (In verses 13-14 the second figure is seen as the recipient of authority at the hand of the ‘ancient in years’ and this may reflect the ancient mythology preserved in the enthronement festival of New Year rites.”
Even a trinitarian Christian admits to the parallels with Canaanite mythology. Dr. Michael Heiser states:
“The plurality of thrones in the passage tell us plainly that we have here what scholars of the Hebrew Bible call a divine council scene — the high sovereign in his throne room, meeting with the heavenly host. The literature of Ugarit has many such scenes, and the biblical divine council and the council at Ugarit are very similar. In point of fact, the flow of Daniel 7 actually follows the flow of a divine council scene in the Baal Cycle:
Ugarit / Baal Cycle
(A) El, the aged high God, is the ultimate sovereign in the council.
(B) El bestows kingship upon the god Baal, the Cloud-Rider, after Baal defeats the god Yamm in battle.
(C) Baal is king of the gods and El’s vizier. His rule is everlasting.
Daniel 7
(A) The Ancient of Days, the God of Israel is seated on the fiery, wheeled throne (cf. Ezekiel 1). Like Ugaritic El, he is white haired and aged (“ancient”).
(B) Yahweh-El, the Ancient of Days, bestows kingship upon the Son of Man who rides the clouds after the beast from the sea (yamma) is destroyed.
(C) The Son of Man is given everlasting dominion over the nations. He rules at the right hand of God.
The striking parallels are especially noteworthy given that this is the only time in the Old Testament where a second personage other than Yahweh is described as “coming with/upon the clouds” (the preposition in Aramaic can be translated either way). The intent of the author to describe this “son of man” with a title reserved only for Yahweh was clear by virtue of how the scene followed the Baal literature — the literary cycle whose central character, Baal, held the Cloud-Rider title!” (https://www.logos.com/ugaritic)
So yes, your Bible’s description of “Yahweh/Jehovah” in Daniel 7 is based on a Canaanite myth. Ergo, God is described as a Canaanite deity. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the truth is not always easy to accept.
“It has EVERYTHING to do with Canaanite deities, you ignorant fool! The “vision” borrows from pagan mythology. God appeared as an old man! ”
“9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.”
A human person is depicted with authority and purity. The Canaanites didn’t have a copyright on it. They also copied their imagery from everyday life where everybody else could also copy from.
“Stop your lying madman.”
The only thing that she makes unclean is what she sits or lies on and anything that comes in contact with the same. So her husband can eat with her.as long as he doesn’t touch her or anything that she has sat or lied on.
“Also, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not bound to the Law of Moses. That law was for the Jews only. With the coming of Islam, many of the rules of Mosaic Law were relaxed. The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.”
The ceremonial law was abrogated, and some theocratical laws such as apostasy and blasphemy ceased to be criminal acts, but the moral law never changed from that given at Sinai and could not be changed. That’s the clear testimony of scripture.
How can you charge Paul with abrogating the law when he never did such. It was your prophet that watered down the moral law of Moses you hyprocrite! He even broke it himself!
Jesus didn’t abrogate any moral laws. He reasserted the law of Moses in the Sermon on the Mount.
“A human person is depicted with authority and purity. The Canaanites didn’t have a copyright on it. They also copied their imagery from everyday life where everybody else could also copy from.”
Hahahaha, Christians can never be consistent can they? There are so many things wrong with your asinine statement:
1. YES, a HUMAN is depicted as GOD THE FATHER! But the Bible says that God bears no resemblance to humans and that there are none like Him! And yet, the author of “Daniel” depicts God as a human! Thank you for showing the pagan nonsense in your Bible!
2. The Canaanites didn’t have a “copyright”? LOL, so you admit that the author simply recycled a well-known myth!
3. The last part is just too funny! All pagans used imagery from everyday life! That’s why they are heretics. Their imagery does NOT come from God! Why do you think Hindus worship an elephant-god? Because elephants were part of the regional fauna. If elephants had not been there, some other animal would have been made into their god. Every culture used imagery from everyday life to concoct their myths.
4. Consistency is hard to come by for Christians. Has something similar been found in the Quran, they would have jumped all over it. But because it’s the Bible, they are willing to give it a free pass. Clear borrowing from pagan mythology is excused as no “big deal”. What a bunch of lying hypocrite clowns!
“The only thing that she makes unclean is what she sits or lies on and anything that comes in contact with the same. So her husband can eat with her.as long as he doesn’t touch her or anything that she has sat or lied on.”
LOL, Rabbi Madman has absolutely no idea what he is talking about! Leviticus states that the woman must be completely separated. The same thing happened after a woman gave birth, although the period of separation was longer when a female was born. This was COMPLETE separation.
“The ceremonial law was abrogated, and some theocratical laws such as apostasy and blasphemy ceased to be criminal acts, but the moral law never changed from that given at Sinai and could not be changed. That’s the clear testimony of scripture.”
LOL, well how convenient! Basically, any law that requires EFFORT and ACTION has been abrogated and a Christian merely has to pay lip-service to the law! Yep, there’s nothing hypocritical about that (sarcasm intended)!
“How can you charge Paul with abrogating the law when he never did such. It was your prophet that watered down the moral law of Moses you hyprocrite! He even broke it himself!”
Madman’s dementia is getting worse by the minute. Paul was the one who said that Christians are now free of the law. That false prophet contradicted God and His prophet Jesus (pbuh). And you hypocrites merely give lip-service to the so-called “moral law”.
Not only that but, as I said previously, the so-called “ceremonial laws” were meant to be in effect FOREVER according to Ezekiel. You idiots have no answer for this.
I also noticed you didn’t answer my question about Christians and menstruation. How typical of a moronic and cowardly apologist:
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
LOL, so now you are saying that the Jews did not have the concept of God as a “Father”? Inconsistency abounds in Christian apologetics!
Isn’t the “son of man” (Jesus) supposed to be God’s “son”? Thus, who else could be the “Ancient of Days” other than God the “father” (as you trinitarians would put it)?
Symbolism or not, it is STILL borrowed from Canaanite MYTHOLOGY. It’s amazing the lengths you idiots will go to save your Bible from being exposed.
“Not only that but, as I said previously, the so-called “ceremonial laws” were meant to be in effect FOREVER according to Ezekiel. You idiots have no answer for this.”
Ezekiel is not talking about the an earthly temple that was constructed by Solomon or Herod.
He is using these earthly temples to describe a temple that will be similar to these temples that will always exist and in which there will be worship for ever.
The whole thing is symbolism.
You guys don’t interpret scripture with scripture.
Pure Christian BS. Every time there is a contradiction or an embarrassing verse, all of a sudden, it becomes “symbolic”.
We don’t interpret the Bible with your moronic Christian assumptions. When you learn to cast aside the nonsense you were taught in church, you will see it clear as day: the Bible is self-contradictory and NOT the so-called “inspired” word of God.
“LOL, well how convenient! Basically, any law that requires EFFORT and ACTION has been abrogated and a Christian merely has to pay lip-service to the law! Yep, there’s nothing hypocritical about that (sarcasm intended)!”
You have no argument so now you resort to rambling along in vague generalities. Typical nonsense.
“Madman’s dementia is getting worse by the minute. Paul was the one who said that Christians are now free of the law. That false prophet contradicted God and His prophet Jesus (pbuh). And you hypocrites merely give lip-service to the so-called “moral law”.”
More evidence that you are spewing a load of bs about Paul, but you are not fooling anyone except yourself:
Romans 2 v 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
LOL, STILL no response to my question! What are you clowns afraid of?
You are a fool madman! A brainwashed idiotic fool whose mind has become rotten by the corrupting influence of Christianity. I already know that your false prophet Paul was just as confused as you are. He was known for his double-talk and changing views. In one place, he would declare the law to be abolished, but then in another place, he would defend its practice. The guy was was clueless! Now let’s read his denunciation of the law:
“…having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.”
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
You are an imbecile, just one among a group of imbeciles that get humiliated every time they open their mouths.
No land for the Muslims in Israel according to Ezekiel:
“The Borders of the Land
Ezekiel 47 v 13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. 14 And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.
15 And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.
18 And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.
19 And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.
20 The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.
Are you still siding with Ezekiel Mr. Faiz? Is that forever as well?
Read carefully, madman. I don’t regard Ezekiel to be “scripture”. I only referred to it to show you idiots the folly of your religion. Whereas Ezekiel states that the temple will be rebuilt and the sacrifices reestablished for all time (and yes, that also includes the land being given to the Jews for all time), your false prophet Paul says the old law has been abolished and the sacrifices are not needed because Jesus’ sacrifice is what matters. What then would be the purpose of the temple sacrifices being reinstated? You see why I referred to Ezekiel now? I don’t care what it says because I don’t believe it is scripture. But YOU do! So, it’s a problem for YOU, not for me! Get it?
“You see why I referred to Ezekiel now? I don’t care what it says because I don’t believe it is scripture. But YOU do! So, it’s a problem for YOU, not for me! Get it”
I reply:
No, it’s not a problem for me because I can’t see any evidence for a literal re-building of the temple. Especially of this temple. The dispensationalists have to find their solutions to the problem. This is the dominant school of prophecy in the church so they must have come up with some ways of circumventing the problem. Take a look in the Schofield bible and I am sure you will find an interpretation that seeks to fit these scriptures in to the dispensationalist scheme of things.
Actually only the Jews and the Gentile nations are living on the earth in the millenial period. The church is in heaven and is not redeemed through temple sacrifice. The church in heaven has a different temple.
I am an amillenialist so I don’t have to go down this road.
Another thing is that the prince in this passage is not the messiah in my view. Where is the evidence for this assumption?
Faiz said:
The guy was was clueless! Now let’s read his denunciation of the law:
“…having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.”
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
You are an imbecile, just one among a group of imbeciles that get humiliated every time they open their mouths.”
I reply:
Paul is condemning the Jews for trying to use the law to justify themselves before God. He never discards the use of the law to show men what God requires of them to live a holy life.
You said:
“The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.””
I reply:
What nonsense! The law was given only once at Sinai before the nation of Israel had backslidden!
“King James Bible
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Mohammed does not constitute any kind of fulfilment that could trigger a change of the law. Whereas Jesus on the other hand does constitute such a fulfilment. That was his mission:
Jesus Fulfills the Law
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
“No, it’s not a problem for me because I can’t see any evidence for a literal re-building of the temple. Especially of this temple. The dispensationalists have to find their solutions to the problem. This is the dominant school of prophecy in the church so they must have come up with some ways of circumventing the problem. Take a look in the Schofield bible and I am sure you will find an interpretation that seeks to fit these scriptures in to the dispensationalist scheme of things.”
Hahahaha, you don’ see any evidence for a literal re-building? Then you must be a brainwashed zombie Christian!
The book describes the rebuilding in DETAIL, even providing the MEASUREMENTS! Read Ezekiel 40. To claim that this is not referring to a literal rebuilding is cop-out used by you idiots to avoid admitting what is blatantly obvious: that Ezekiel flat-out contradicts the New Testament.
“Actually only the Jews and the Gentile nations are living on the earth in the millenial period. The church is in heaven and is not redeemed through temple sacrifice. The church in heaven has a different temple.
I am an amillenialist so I don’t have to go down this road.
Another thing is that the prince in this passage is not the messiah in my view. Where is the evidence for this assumption?”
WRONG! The temple is literally rebuilt on earth. Ezekiel 40 states this clearly:
“In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city.”
“Paul is condemning the Jews for trying to use the law to justify themselves before God. He never discards the use of the law to show men what God requires of them to live a holy life.”
LOL, oh please, save your lies! Paul clearly said that Christians need not worry about what they eat and so on. It is clear abrogation of the dietary laws, etc.
“What nonsense! The law was given only once at Sinai before the nation of Israel had backslidden!”
And what’s your point? I don’t believe in the Bible, you idiot! I was commenting on what the Quran says on this matter.
Ironically, according to the Bible, when the law was first given to the Jews, Moses (pbuh) told them that it was a difficult law and that keeping the commandments was not a burden, something Paul cleverly kept hidden from his readers.
““King James Bible
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Mohammed does not constitute any kind of fulfilment that could trigger a change of the law. Whereas Jesus on the other hand does constitute such a fulfilment. That was his mission:
Jesus Fulfills the Law
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
Hahahaha, this is why Paul was a false prophet! Whereas Jesus claimed that the law would remain, Paul threw it out.
Here is more proof that Ezekiel was talking about the literal rebuilding of the temple as well as complete obedience to the law of Moses, and that Paul contradicted Ezekiel. The following are from Ezekiel 44:
“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites.”
Comment: If Ezekiel was referring to a metaphorical rebuilding, then why would he have said that “foreigners” could not enter the sanctuary? Also, does this mean that only Israelites can enter, and not faithful gentile Christians? Notice it says “uncircumcised in heart AND FLESH”!
“They must not shave their heads or let their hair grow long, but they are to keep the hair of their heads trimmed. 21 No priest is to drink wine when he enters the inner court. 22 They must not marry widows or divorced women; they may marry only virgins of Israelite descent or widows of priests. 23 They are to teach my people the difference between the holy and the common and show them how to distinguish between the unclean and the clean.”
Comment: Here, the major rules of ritual purity are laid down. There is clear emphasis on “clean” versus “unclean”. Yet, the false apostle Paul said Christians need not worry about such matters!
“‘In any dispute, the priests are to serve as judges and decide it according to my ordinances. They are to keep my laws and my decrees for all my appointed festivals, and they are to keep my Sabbaths holy.”
Comment: Again, here is an emphasis on keeping the laws and ALL appointed festivals. Compare this to what Paul said:
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
“by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
this is not the correct translation.
King James Bible
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The law created the enmity between Jew and Gentile with its commandments concerning clean and unclean. These ordinances were done away through the sacrifice of Christ creating spiritual unity between Jew and Gentile by abolishing the religious identities which the abrogated law created.
Islam wants to go book to the OT theocracy with the Arabs replacing the Jews. Replacement theology.
“The law created the enmity between Jew and Gentile with its commandments concerning clean and unclean. ”
which book from the old testament says that the law created enmity between jew and gentile?
according to the ot, god so loved the world that he sent his laws and rituals, that so whoever does them shall have eternal life. this is the message one gets from the ot.
your pagan human sacrifice is an abomination. yhwh says that killing a human for sins is an abomination.
human sacrifices cannot REPLACE the laws and rituals in the ot, even animals which yhwh so loved could not do away his laws and rituals.
what yardstick do you use about “created enmity”
noahides DO not eat pork
which enemity was clean and unclean creating for noahides?
why do you take your beliefs from paul and the disciples of jesus ?
Another cop-out. When in doubt, say the translation is not “correct” and fall back on the KJV Bible. Unfortunately for you, it’s the KJV that has been declared to be an unreliable translation by many scholars.
The contradictions in your religion are astounding! Now you admit that the dietary laws WERE abolished! But I thought that Jesus said “one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled”? Oh but I know what you are going to say. Jesus “fulfilled” the law, right? But what does that mean? Jesus kept the law and so did his disciples. Why did Paul come along and say it no longer matters?
Notice how the mad clown keeps avoiding my question. He REFUSES to answer the question, because it seems he knows where it will lead. I love it when these clowns ignore any question that will expose their hypocrisy and faulty theology.
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
We know that the text is a prophecy and a command to build the second temple but the question is does it command a third temple to be built somewhere in our future? In some supposed millenial kingdom?
I say no. Singer makes the prince the messiah with some slight of the hand eisegesis. No hard and fast evidence that this is the case.
A healing river flows from the altar of the ezekiel temple so it is a mysterious temple that cannot be built by the hands of man. A little detail that you overlooked? But you always cherry pick anyway. The devil is in the details they say.
“which book from the old testament says that the law created enmity between jew and gentile?”
The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.
“And what’s your point? I don’t believe in the Bible, you idiot! I was commenting on what the Quran says on this matter.”
What does it say? Let us in on the secret.
“Ironically, according to the Bible, when the law was first given to the Jews, Moses (pbuh) told them that it was a difficult law and that keeping the commandments was not a burden, something Paul cleverly kept hidden from his readers.”
Uh? Perhaps you meant to say “NOT a difficult law”.
If so Moses said that the Jews could get the temporal blessings and avoid the curses by keeping the law. So the passage in question just relates to merits of obedience in this life.
“We know that the text is a prophecy and a command to build the second temple but the question is does it command a third temple to be built somewhere in our future? In some supposed millenial kingdom?”
It talks about a catastrophic war with Gog and Magog followed by the rebuilding of the temple. It is understood that the prophecy is regarding an everlasting kingdom because at the end of the book, the city is renamed as “The Lord is there”. The verse says “from that time on…”
Your desperation is showing.
“A healing river flows from the altar of the ezekiel temple so it is a mysterious temple that cannot be built by the hands of man. A little detail that you overlooked? But you always cherry pick anyway. The devil is in the details they say.”
LOL, you are an IDIOT> Your lying spirit deceives you.
There is nothing “mysterious” about this, you clown. The river brings life to the region, and plentiful fish and fruits. The chapter that fishermen will thrive there because there will be so many fish to catch:
“There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10 Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea.”
What’s so mysterious about this, stupid?
“The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.”
Madman is a little confused…or perhaps lazy? You re responding both heathcliff and myself in the same post?
The law was given to the Jews, not the Gentiles, because most of the Gentiles were pagans. And that problem remained in Jesus’ time, because the Romans were pagans. It’s no wonder that Jesus (pbuh) kept the law, whereas your Hellenized false prophet Paul rejected it!
“What does it say? Let us in on the secret.”
Suffering from amnesia are we? I already explained what the Quran says.
4:160-161 – For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way;- That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.
And Jesus (pbuh) as quoted as saying to the Israelites:
““‘(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. “‘It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.’”
“Uh? Perhaps you meant to say “NOT a difficult law”.”
Yes, thank you for correcting me! Indeed, Moses told them it was NOT difficult to follow the law.
“If so Moses said that the Jews could get the temporal blessings and avoid the curses by keeping the law. So the passage in question just relates to merits of obedience in this life.”
LOL, what a moronic sack of crap! Well of course it relates to this life, you clown! The point, which you failed to refute (so what else is new, right?) is that your Bible declares that the law is NOT difficult to follow. Yet once again, your false prophet Paul disagreed and declared on his own authority that the law was now abolished.
I notice how you jump around in your responses. You conveniently skip responding to any point that destroys your argument. I assume that means you acknowledge that you have no response?
And still, NO RESPONSE TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! It’s okay madman. I know you won’t respond because you are afraid. And the longer you refuse to answer, the worse it gets for you. So, by all means, keep ignoring the question and don’t answer it! But here it is again:
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
“The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.”
jews do rituals and jesus took those rituals a step to far by calling a woman a little dog. DOES THAT MEAN ALL the jews considered the non-jews ANIMALS/PIGS/shit ?
when a non-jew BECAME a jew , did he think that God had a view of him as SMELLY and dirty?
when a gentile BECAME a jew, did the gentile think that God had a view of him as smelly and dirty ?
you quote the crap from acts, but not ALL jews were sharing the crap found in acts. not ALL jews considered humble women as DOGS/little bitches.
we should NOT let NEW TESTAMENT cloud our thinking .
quote :
in the mind of moses, righteousness could only be obtained by obeying all of God’s instructions (deu 6:25). in the mind of moses, the only way for a hebrew to avoid SERVING OTHERS gods, is to actually SERVE the one true God. YOU DO THAT BY OBEYING HIM.
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so i will ask an ASSmus like you again, when a non-jew CONVERTED to judaism, did he tell himself that he is SMELLY and dirty or did he tell himself that God COMMANDED i EAT the right FOOD and God commanded the rituals ?
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All they had to do was have a good memory and report.”
lol, so how come peter in acts forgot that it was he who had asked jesus about that which defiles LOL?
you see dumb ass, if peter had “good memory” then he would not need a VISION telling him that it is OKAY to eat with gentiles on the same table.
if MEMORY was SO good, why did PETER forget that it was your BLOOD god who told him
“make disciples of all nations” (Matthew 28:19)
why would he need a vision which said :
“You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean”
if MEMORY was so good SHIT head, why did he forget that “jesus MADE ALL food cleans” and what was the need to say
“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
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it was peter who asked jeeebus about that which DEFILES .
15Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?
so put it ALL together SHIT head.
he knows all foods are CLEAN . he knows eating any crap WILL not DEFILE . he knows “make disciples of ALL nations” yet he still utters the crap in acts?
how can you trust these DUMB and dull pals of your god?
pigLIT, in acts, the blood god spends 40 days with these dufus disciples. WHAT did they DISCUSS , piglit?
mark tells you that jeezer made ALL food clean. if peter was his INFORMANT ,then peter was the source, right? or did mark INVENT THIS bulls in brackets under the inspiration of holy schpirit?
“For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
isn’t it strange and funny that NONE of this is USED AS evidence in the book of ACTS to convince the pissed off jewish followers of blood god ?
in those 40 days(post resurrection ) your pagan FALSE blood god was with his disciples, there was no DISCUSSION of FOOD, gentiles etc etc ?
for 40 days , jeeezer , did not go over and over that ALL foods are declared CLEAN to munch on?
what does “make disciples of all nations ” mean? they would go to the gentiles and do what exactly ? sit next to the gentiles, right? talk about human sacrifice which took place on their behalf, right? talk about all the CRAP they could eat, right? this was ALL explained in those 40 DAYS , right?
now look at peters response :
4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’
comment : this guy was so hungry he started hallucinating .
8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.
::::::::::::::why not just a SIMPLE, “but i remember that in those 40 days the blood god was WITH us , he told us to go and MAKE gentiles ALL over the world…”
““For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Thats not the correct translation.
“17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? ”
Jesus doesn’t change or abrogate the law with this parable. He gives a deeper explanation of the law.
Unlike your prophet Jesus respected Moses.
If Jesus changed or abrogated the law why didn’t James get the message? Was he also, according to you, a dimwit with a poor memory?
Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted.
do you take it as a compliment that jesus called gentile women female dogs?
at least noah took them on board, your prophet jebus KILLED 2000 of them for no REASON .
““For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Thats not the correct translation.
“17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? ”
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NRSV :
Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, 19 since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
QUESTIONS :
WHEN PIG is put into MOUTH, does it DEFILE? yes or no?
your pagan human blood god REDUCED the LAWS of yhwh to DRAIN and shitting out .
you Eat , digest and then CRAP out.
WHO told mark “he DECLARED all foods clean” ?
did peter get this from jesus ?
“Jesus doesn’t change or abrogate the law with this parable. He gives a deeper explanation of the law.”
SO is putting pig/bacon in mouth defiling , or not?
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Unlike your prophet Jesus respected Moses.”
idiot, we are talking about MEMORY here.
remember the crap you talked about earlier
peter knows that jeezer the blood god EAT with GENTILES
he knows that foods don’t DEFILE
he knows about his MISSION to non-jews
he knows that “jesus loves all”
he knows that one can SIT ON THE same table where a gentile SITS because BLOOD god “declared ALL FOODS clean”
WHY DID PETER NOT RECALL ANY OF THIS ? WHY WAS A VISION REQUIRED WHEN PETER HAD examples from BLOOD god ?
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If Jesus changed or abrogated the law why didn’t James get the message? Was he also, according to you, a dimwit with a poor memory?”
DOES EATING BACON DEFILE?
james didn’t get it, 1) either he never heard the CRAP in the gospels 2) he didn’t know about mission to gentiles, he didn’t know that one can EAT at the same table as gentile etc etc
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Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted.”
for those 40 days , what did blood god DISCUSS with his pals? all you are doing is showing a contradiction between the texts. MEATS offered to idols? but jesus said that it is not what GOES in which DEFILES. meats are all permissible . peter knew that the HUMAN sacrifice done away with the LAWS of the ot.
does not the meat offered to idol go in the mouth, digested and then SHITTED out ?
we know that marks text was NOT ACCEPTABLE to matthew, because mark CHANGES it to WASHING hands before EATING
he completely omits the words “he DECLARED all foods clean”
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Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted”
1. does eating bacon defile?
2. did peter forget to tell james what took place in mark 7 ?
3. the woman who has “great faith” was she suppose to KEEP the jewish RITUALS ?
4. when did idol meat defile? according to jesus, food is food, jesus has become an modern day pagan christian evangelist in mark 7.
5. matthew was SO embarrassed with mark 7, that he made changes to the text.
6. did peter forget the story when jeezer, the blood god, was SEEN eating at the same table as non-jews ?
7. was not BLOOD of pagan blood god powerful enough to “cleanse” meat offered to idols and animal blood itself?
8. do you as a gentile pagan christian eat bacon and pigs blood?
when Jesus said what goes out defiles he wasn’t talking about ceremonial defilement, he was talking about Moral defilement,
anything that the Body can Digest and purge can not defile us morally.
so the pig defiled because it was made a Symbol of sin by the law of Moses.
that’s why the jews still had to avoid it after Jesus explained that it does not defile. that’s why Peter still had to Keep the law after Jesus declared the pig to be a clean animal which was created for Food. Moses made the pig cermonially, but not morally unclean.
it would help if you would post references so i don’t have to search for the text.
as far as the woman goes she did not find what Jesus said to be an Insult. so it could not have been an Insult.
the ceremonial law only applied as Long as the old covenant was in force. once the new covenant took over the laws of clean and unclean no longer applied.
are you a jew because you want to Keep this law? just saying, no Insult intended.
“when Jesus said what goes out defiles he wasn’t talking about ceremonial defilement, he was talking about Moral defilement,”
1. who added in these words
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In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean”
did peter tell these words to mark or did mark MAKE them up ?
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anything that the Body can Digest and purge can not defile us morally.”
okay , so why did peter NEED a vision to SIT with the non-jews when he knew that eating on the table with non- jews /sitting next to them cannot defile morally?
“so the pig defiled because it was made a Symbol of sin by the law of Moses.”
ALL foods were DECLARED CLEAN in mark 7 . according to jesus, his human sacrifice took away this defilement.
actually mark 7 says that even prior to his human sacrifice, all foods were declared clean .
so peter, according to modern day christian, knows:
1. jesus declared all foods clean
2. jesus human sacrifice abrogated many laws in the ot
3.jesus spent 40 days with his pals teaching them in acts
4. he was told explicitly by the man himself to go to the non-jewish people
what was the need of the “divine” vision in acts 10-11 WHEN peter had ALL the examples from jeezer himself?
“that’s why Peter still had to Keep the law after Jesus declared the pig to be a clean animal which was created for Food. Moses made the pig cermonially, but not morally unclean.”
yhwh said :
“You shall be holy because I, Yahweh your god, am holy”
yhwhs laws have been reduced to what is clean and unclean , but yhwh considered it HOLY and unholly LIVING
so OBEYING yhwh has everything to do with moral living.
. its a MORAL thing . obeying and disobeying God is a moral thing and has NOTHING to do with whether it is CLEAN or not. If God said “don’t do x, y and z” then it is understood as RIGHT AND WRONG behavior .
so you admit that peter understood that jesus DECLARED the PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was CREATED for food”
so i will add to my list your own words :
1. jesus declared all foods clean
2. jesus human sacrifice abrogated many laws in the ot
3.jesus spent 40 days with his pals teaching them in acts
4. he was told explicitly by the man himself to go to the non-jewish people
5. erasmus said that peter KNEW jesus DECLARED PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was created for food”
there would be NO sin even if peter MUNCHED on pig, since it has nothing to do with what is moral and what is not.
yhwh says :
“You shall be holy because I, Yahweh your god, am holy”
vs peter :
“You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean”
BUT peter HAD the list above.
Why did god need to SHOW him anything, when he ALREADY knew the STUFF i listed above?
“Moses made the pig cermonially…unclean”
yhwh called it HOLY living .
you REDUCED it to RITUAL
“as far as the woman goes she did not find what Jesus said to be an Insult. so it could not have been an Insult.”
what kind of logic is this? she may very well have found it to be an insult but she was the one who needed help for her daughter. she was went to a gang and the leader was mocking her in front of his gang.
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the ceremonial law only applied as Long as the old covenant was in force.”
but peter knew this in mark 7 and beyond.
” once the new covenant took over the laws of clean and unclean no longer applied.”
you mean yhwhistic HOLY living no longer apply ?
“are you a jew because you want to Keep this law? just saying, no Insult intended.”
i am not a Jew. which direction are you taking this conversation?
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But Peter said to him, “Explain this parable to us.” 16 Then he said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth enters the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?
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Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, 19 since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
quote :
He became hungry and wanted something to eat; and while it was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw the heaven opened and something like a large sheet coming down, being lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed creatures and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 Then he heard a voice saying, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is profane or unclean.” 15 The voice said to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you must not call profane.”
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11 Now the apostles and the believers[a] who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also accepted the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers[b] criticized him, 3 saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?” 4 Then Peter began to explain it to them, step by step, saying, 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision.
why is PETER USING his hallucinations to EXPLAIN about what is RIGHT for Jewish christians to do when he has MARK 7 in his pocket and Erasmus’ words ?
erasmus said that peter KNEW jesus DECLARED PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was created for food”
remember that EARLIER on he was talking about MEMORY.
“All they had to do was have a good memory and report.”
did dull peter FORGET, erasmus? didn’t holy spirit make spirit speak different languages? why is it that in ACTS nothing is brought to attention from what jesus said with REGARDS to this matter?
ironically, it is James who identifes and confirms the kind of defilement that Jesus is talking about in the Gospels, and it is not a ceremonial / ritual defilement:
James 3 v 5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Seen in this context Jesus is not abrogating the Mosaic laws forbidding the eating of certain foods because he is not talking about ceremonial / ritual defilement.
As long as the temple was still standing and the priesthood was active the Christian Jews would feel obligated to keep the laws of clean and unclean to maintain their ceremonial purity. This is understandable.
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Ban Muslim men. Simple.
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Thanks for proving my point: This is how stupid anti-Muslim bigots sound.
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Ban worshippers of old men with white hair. Simple.
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I’m not anti-Muslim. I’m anti-terrorism. I’m anti-anything that drives or advocates that terrorism. Which is why I’m anti-Islam.
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I’m not anti-Christian. I’m anti-ignorant as hell and bigoted morons who worship an old man with white hair.
Lol, you just said to ban Muslim men but then claim you’re not “anti-Muslim”!
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“you just said to ban Muslim men but then claim you’re not “anti-Muslim”!”
It’s called sarcasm.
Is having a sense humour prohibited in Islam?
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Lol, oh sure, sure! Now it’s “sarcasm”, huh?
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Br Paul perhaps we should ban this arrogant narcissistic buffoon from this blog?
He brings nothing but dirt with him.
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You don’t like him bro? I guess i’m the only one who finds his fallacious comments funny…
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ban samaritans
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Samaritan
October 11, 2017 • 8:59 pm
I’m not anti-Muslim. I’m anti-terrorism. I’m anti-anything that drives or advocates that terrorism. Which is why I’m anti-Islam.
I say;
Then you have to be anti-white men supremacist like Donald Trump who supports white supremacists. You have to be anti-white people because terrorist who are white in the US are more than the Muslim terrorists. Many reports and findings suggests white supremacist terrorism like the the one that killed more than 200 people and injured more than 500 recently is more of a threat in US than Muslims who are terrorist.
Robert Spencer, David Wood, Fox news etc. will not record it on their Jihad Watch. So according to Robert Spencer, a white can kill as much as he wants but he(Robert) will have time to record Muslim terrorists who are lesser than white terrorists like his color.
He will say the white terrorists are having mental problems like how Donald Trump will refer to white terrorist as having mental issues.
That is why we call you bad Samaritan as anti-Muslims. On the Christian terrorist we have Christians who target and kill doctors claiming the planned parenthood kill babies. The Muslim terrorists claim US bomb their countries and support oppression somewhere.
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Samaritan
These Christian terrorists get their motivation from Jesus himself, when he god angry(sinfulness and sinful nature according to Ken Temple) and destroy peoples tables and chairs, when he was not in power but when in power he and his followers will;
Luke 19:27
Verse (Click for Chapter)
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But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”
If you do not want religion that promotes terrorism, then charity begins at home, be anti-Christianity first.
Have you watch the US and the Dutch Quran experiments? If no, you better watch them with an open mind.
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Intellect by name, unintellectual by nature,
This is a religion blog, let’s try to keep politics and race out of it eh.
As for your desperate nonsense about Jesus motivating terrorism. Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
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Ok, let’s only talk about religion. Why do you worship an old man with white hair?
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“This is a religion blog, let’s try to keep politics and race out of it eh.”
Then why do you start talking about Isis? That’s politics.
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For Muslims race and politics are part of religion too.
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Samaritan
October 12, 2017 • 11:21 am
Intellect by name, unintellectual by nature,
This is a religion blog, let’s try to keep politics and race out of it eh.
As for your desperate nonsense about Jesus motivating terrorism. Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
I say;
When a white Christian terrorist killed more than 200 people and Christian anti abortionists killed doctors and civilians at planned parenthood, you call it non religions. But if someone with middle eastern name kills someone, you blame it on Islam.
You said;
Let me give you some advice. Don’t talk about things you know relatively nothing about. Thank you.
I say;
Like what? Give me an example or be specific to educate us on what I said and you think is not true. I have been giving you examples of your ignorance which is insanity.
Example: You said Allah is a moon God and I corrected you where Allah commanded humans not to worship moon except Him(Allah) alone.
You have been talking about thins you know relatively nothing about here. You said Allah is from satan bur Jews and Arab Christians worship Allah. Allah said He is the only one true God of Jesus and Jesus confirmed by going to the only true God who is not Jesus. Allah condemned satan for he(satan) influence people like you to worship a creature(man) like any idol worshiper who worships cow and monkey thinks God reincarnated into flesh. Allah condemned satan for playing a part in leading people astray. You are the most ignorant fellow on this blog. Even Paulus whom we consider less knowledgeable, is more in knowledge than you and he will not say Alla is a moon God.
Any way it is not your fault but the fault of liars like this one(Sam Shamoun)
I advise you to do your own research and stop visiting the sites of David, Shamoun, Spencer etc.
Thanks.
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“Then why do you start talking about Isis?”
You’re not too bright are you, Partridge?
Isis are a RELIGIOUS extremist group, dummy. They practice salafist Islam. The purest and closest to the original form of the of religion there is.
What Isis represent is the darker side of religion but has everything to do with religion nevertheless.
The KKK are a far-right white supremist political movement. The Klan believe their striving to preserve their race and heritage.
Isis believe they’re fighting to do the will of their god.
You seriously can’t see the distinction between the two?
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LOL, the KKK identifies as a Christian organization. So does the LRA in Uganda. They are all Christian terrorists who worship an old man with white hair.
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“For Muslims race and politics are part of religion too.”
I know Islam is also a political ideology, but could you elaborate on what you mean by race being of Islam, Paul.
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Quranblog,
Apples and oranges.
The KKK are a racially motivated hate group.
ISIS are a religiously motivated hate group.
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Actually, they’re both apples (or both oranges?). They both use religion to justify their crimes.
Why do you worship a Canaanite deity? How long will you keep running?
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Samaritan
This is a Christian organization KKK for you.
Thanks.
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Samaritan’a moon God
By Sam Shamoun.
Copy to bad Samaritan who does not learn.
Sun God, God the Son.
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qb
“Actually, they’re both apples (or both oranges?). They both use religion to justify their crimes.”
Islam is a religion that justifies crimes. I fixed that for you.
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Let me really fix it for you. Islam is a religion that exposes dacing monkeys as frauds they are. 🙂
Why do you worship a Canaanite deity? Answer now Coco!
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qb
Poor qb – dumb as ever. Your religion is cobbled together fables, fairy tales, rabbinic religious speculations, and rejected christian apocrypha. It#s so obviously man made that only an imbecile like you could be so rabidly taken in by the nonsense of it. Your prophet played with menstrual blood against the explicit command of your goat god, so even mohammed realized it was all a bunch of crap.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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The monkey is still dancing! Your religion says thst your god.is an old man! Why does your religion borrow from Canaanite mythology?
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qb
Can’t answer menses boy? Why does moahmmed disobey an explicit command in your holey book? Is allah’s word less important than mohammed’s lust?
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Lol, ill expose you on that when I have more time. That requires a special response to humiliate you.further.
You’ve been avoiding answering me about why you worship a Canaanite deity. Answer the question, Coco! Ask your holy spirt to inspire you!
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Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299.
…..allah
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qb
Where d’ya run to?
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qb
“Lol, ill expose you on that when I have more time. That requires a special response to humiliate you.further.”
Scary!
“You’ve been avoiding answering me about why you worship a Canaanite deity.”
Your question makes no sense. You are an idiot menses boy.
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Lol, you know it makes sense. This is just your excuse for avoiding an answer. Read the book of Daniel, howling monkey. Your god is the same as El, the Canaanite high god.
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qb
You period. Don’t be a moron. Your religion is paganism but with more menstrual blood.
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Still dancing! Did you read Daniel, Chapter 7? You worship El, an old man with white hair. Why do you worship a pavan deity? Answer Coco!
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qb
No, I haven’t read Daniel 7 – why don;t you make a point, imbecile? What does Daniel 7 say menses boy?
And why does mohammed play with menstrual blood when he has been commanded not to?
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Lol, what a total dunce! Don’t pretend like I haven’t shown the evidence. Stop running, you coward!
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qb
Idiot.
that’s an amazingly quick repsonse for someone who can’t give quick respsonses because they’re o their “cellphone”. What you mean menses boy, is that you are waiting for your imam to call to tell you what to think. You are a moron.
And no, you haven’t made a point – your comment doesn’t even make sense you imbecile.
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Lol, believe what you will moron. I love having fun with you!
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“Isis are a RELIGIOUS extremist group”
Isis is more political then a religious topic and you know it.
Actually never mind, you’re still too stupid to realize that Isis is a mercenary group.
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Joel
October 12, 2017 • 8:43 pm
qb
“Actually, they’re both apples (or both oranges?). They both use religion to justify their crimes.”
Islam is a religion that justifies crimes. I fixed that for you.
I say;
You don’t know how to fix things. The perfect justification for crimes is from Jesus’s own mouth.
Luke 19:27
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But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.’
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Yeah… but Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris told me that Muslims are the evilest evil that has ever eviled in the history of evil, so I must be right, right folks? #TrumpTrain #FakeNews #TrumpsIQTrumpsTillersonsIQ
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Oh this is gonna be fun! I will respond to you later on inshaAllah. Everyone will again what a total imbecile you really are!
Until then…why do you worship a Canaanite deity? Atop running you cowardly monkey!
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qb
LOL!! I doubt very much that your response will even make any sense. You are a moron who can barely string a meaningful sentence together. So, where are you running to now? Can’t answer without running to your imam to do your “thinking” for you?
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Lol, you silly little monkey! Some of us actually have jobs and a life. We humans have other things to do. You wouldn’t understand Coco. When I have more tme, I will expose you InshaAllah.
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qb
You mean when your imam tells you what to think, then you’ll man up and stop running, menses boy?
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Still no answer Coco? You’re really afraid aren’t you? Awww, poor, poor dunce of a monkey.
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qb
LOL!!
I thought you had to be at work menses boy. Still hiding?
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I can make quick responses on my cellphone, you imbecile! Lol!
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qb
Right…..you’re “on your cellphone”.
You moron, you can’t respond because the text clearly states that you venerate and imitate a man who disobeyed the word of your one legged, double right-handed, and hairy milk producing god just so he could play around in haram blood.
Stop running away, menses boy.
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Lol, what can I do if the dancing monkey won’t believe me? Do I care? NO!
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“You period. Don’t be a moron. Your religion is paganism but with more menstrual blood.”
joewy, what would you expect from a christian who believes that 1 person, 2 natures came out of a vagina?
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heathcliff
Your prophet disobeyed an explicit command from your eternally one goat not to go near women who are having menstruation – he even disrespected your hairy deity by reciting its words whilst in contact with a menstruating woman.
Why do you write so incoherently, you imbecile?
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there is no disobedience in there you idiot.
if you even understood little bit of arabic you would stfu. there is absolutely not even one hint in any of that verse which says that one cannot touch menstruating wife.
you have come again for reddening , why don’t you have shame for yourself? are you a prostitute?
how many from the triplets are currently in you? what does one person mean?
is it a oneness like a goat has oneness?
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heathcliff
You idiot – we’re not all as dumb as you, and nowhere near as gullible. That “it’s different in Arabic” crap only works on gullible fools like yourself.
Use your common sense, and admit you venerate a man who disobeyed the scriptures he claimed to be revealing. Perhaps he forgot those verses?
Also, I notice that qb liked your stupid comment – hey qb, come out and play, don’t hide away all day!!!
LOL!!
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Joel
mr.heathcliff is right. The says the womb of a woman is dirty and that is where your God came from. I can’t believe a God who is pure to come from impure womb and blood. That is not God.
One of the proof:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, … If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days. … And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days. … But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days. Leviticus 12:1-5
Christian God= 1 person + 1 Person + 1 person = 3 persons(people) = idolatry.
God the Father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit = 3 Gods = polytheism.
Goat.= 1 goat + 1 goat + 1 goat = 3 Goats counted 3 like Trinitarian God counted 3 and many.
Muslim God.
God of the Bible.
1 God. Who else? The Bible said no one else.
“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10
You cannot add any person to the one God of Bible unless you are an idol worshiper like Joel.
Thanks.
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Coco the dancing monkey asked why the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to fondle his wives while they were menstruating and yet the Quran states that husbands should not “approach” their wives while they are menstruating. The moron thinks this is a contradiction, but actually, the hadith shows that completely avoiding any physical contact or affection with one’s wife is unnecessary and extreme. Only idiots like Coco may think that one has to avoid any contact with one’s wife, but Islam is is much more pragmatic.
The hadiths reveal that there was a prevailing taboo among the Arabs and Jews of making any contact with menstruating women, including even eating with them. The Prophet taught that having such contact was not forbidden. Rather, only sexual intercourse was forbidden:
“Abdullah bin Sa’d narrated:
I asked the Prophet about eating with a menstruating woman. He said: “Eat with her.”” (Tirmidhi)
“Anas bin Malik said: Among the Jews when a woman menstruated, they did not eat with her and drink with her and did not associate with her in their houses, so the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) was questioned about it. Hence, Allah the Exalted revealed “And they ask you about menstruation,. Say “It is harmful, so keep aloof from women during menstruation till the end of the verse. The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) said “Associate with them in the houses and do everything except sexual intercourse. The Jews thereupon said “This man does not leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid bin Hudair and Abbad bin Bishr came to the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) and said, Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) the Jews are saying such and such. Shall we not have intercourse with them during their menstruation? The face of the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, so they went out. They were met by a gift of milk which was being brought to the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) and he sent after them, whereby we felt that he was not angry with them.” (Abu Dawud)
” Narrated Abdullah ibn Sa’d al-Ansari: Abdullah asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): What is lawful for me to do with my wife when she is menstruating? He replied: What is above the waist-wrapper is lawful for you.
The narrator also mentioned (the lawfulness of) eating with a woman in menstruation, and he transmitted the tradition in full.” (Abu Dawud)
“Narrated Um `Atiya: We were ordered to bring out our menstruating women and veiled women in the religious gatherings and invocation of Muslims on the two `Id festivals. These menstruating women were to keep away from their Musalla. A woman asked, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) ‘ What about one who does not have a veil?” He said, “Let her share the veil of her companion.”” (Bukhari)
So, Islam did away with the ancient and baseless traditions of the pre-Islamic Arabs and brought a pragmatic and progressive approach to menstruation. Menstruating women were not so “impure” as to be completely avoided. They were allowed to conduct their regular affairs, and even attend the Eid gatherings. This is the wonderful religion of Islam.
Now on to Coco’s embarrassing situation with his Canaanite god. I mentioned the book of Daniel but Coco is just too afraid to deal with the issue. In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:
“[t]he imagery probably comes from Canaanite mythology, in which El was regarded as an aged deity with grey hair.”
Moreover, the imagery of a “son of man” approaching the “Ancient of Days” shares similarities with Canaanite myth. According to Hammer:
“[i]n Ugaritic texts Baal, the younger god, is described as the one who slew the dragon Itu and so gained victory over the sea, thus establishing his kingship. (In verses 13-14 the second figure is seen as the recipient of authority at the hand of the ‘ancient in years’ and this may reflect the ancient mythology preserved in the enthronement festival of New Year rites.”
Thus, the anthropomorphic characteristics of God raise serious questions about the influence of pagan culture on Jewish monotheism. Given the fact that pagan cultures dominated the Holy Land for hundreds of years, it is not surprising that some theological influences did occur.
Now let’s see if Coco will have the guts to answer why he worships a Canaanite deity. Or will the monkey dance?
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Joel the idiot is back boys!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s partyyyyy!
Smack this loser around some more!
How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from ours?
Let’s watch joel the complete IDIOT continue dogging the question with the typical ‘response’:
“So so so so so so duuuuuuumb, your comment makes no seeeeense, you wrote a comment and because it’s long it has become worthless, I’m gonna change the topic to something else, etc etc etc”
Damn I love smacking this buffoon!
Boy turn that other cheek so I can bitchslap it again.
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LOL!
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“Use your common sense, and admit you venerate a man who disobeyed the scriptures he claimed to be revealing. Perhaps he forgot those verses?”
you are stupid pigSTIAN, you don’t even need to know the arabic to be honest.
you are not allowed to have sex with the wife because as the verse explicitly says ” IT IS HARM….”
why would it go on to say “come to THEM FROM WHERE GOD ORDAINED….”
if it really meant stay COMPLETELY away from body ? it doesn’t even say that
few questions for pigstian
you talk about veneration
1. would you have had a problem if instead the prophet had said that he is fully god and fully man?
2. did yhwh have EXPERIENTIAL feeling in his person of coming out of a VAGINA?
3. how old was mary when yhwh was BREAST FEEDING ?
4. you talk about veneration
but piglet, SERVING yhwh MEANT serving a human authority.
you don’t know this?
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So Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of his father David. He prospered and all Israel obeyed him.
that is veneration in the above verses. they performing service to a human authority.
solomon had plenty of women though.
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20 Then David said to all the assembly, “Now bless Yahweh your God.” And all the assembly blessed Yahweh, the God of their fathers, and bowed low and worshiped Yahweh and the king. …. 22b And they made Solomon the son of David king a second time, and they anointed him as ruler for the Lord and Zadok as priest. 23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of Yahweh as king instead of David his father; and he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him.
1 For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love.
My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
2 Thou art fairer than the sons of men; Grace is poured upon Thy lips; Therefore God has blessed Thee forever.
3 Gird Thy sword on Thy thigh, O Mighty One, In Thy splendor and Thy majesty!
4 And in Thy majesty ride on victoriously, For the cause of truth and meekness and righteousness; Let Thy right hand teach Thee awesome things.
5 Thine arrows are sharp; The peoples fall under Thee; Thine arrows are in the heart of the King’s enemies.
6 Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.
7 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee With the oil of joy above Thy fellows.
8 All Thy garments are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; Out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made Thee glad.
9 Kings’ daughters are among Thy noble ladies; At Thy right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir.
10 Listen, O daughter, give attention and incline your ear; Forget your people and your father’s house;
11 Then the King will desire your beauty; Because He is your Lord, bow down to Him.
12 And the daughter of Tyre will come with a gift; The rich among the people will entreat your favor.
13 The King’s daughter is all glorious within; Her clothing is interwoven with gold.
14 She will be led to the King in embroidered work; The virgins, her companions who follow her, Will be brought to Thee.
15 They will be led forth with gladness and rejoicing; They will enter into the King’s palace.
16 In place of your fathers will be your sons; You shall make them princes in all the earth.
17 I will cause Thy name to be remembered in all generations; Therefore the peoples will give Thee thanks forever and ever.
you shouldn’t have a problem with veneration . if you could worship a bruised and battered jew , how much would you have been bowing down and serving solomon who was seated on yhwhs throne?
why this highly “venerative” language for mere mortal?
what were these writers doing? didn’t they know they were in danger of turning earthly kings into gods?
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Any reference to David is incidental to provide a backdrop. The future king Messiah is in view.
“How is the oneness of the Father OR the Son OR the HS different from ours?”
Any Muslim care to define the oneness of Allah?
Is it a mystery akin to the trinity?
Does Allah have problems explaining what he is to his creatures? Can we believe in a God who can’t explain himself adequately?
[37.4] Most surely your God is One:
” In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:”
In the vision God has to be represented in some kind of human form. He can’t be invisible. It has nothing to do with canaanite deities.
The Uncleanness of Women
Leviticus 15 v 19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
Only the touching of the woman was forbidden. Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses through his behaviour with Aisha.
““Anas bin Malik said: Among the Jews when a woman menstruated, they did not eat with her and drink with her and did not associate with her in their houses,”
So all the Jews had to do was refer to their scripture to correct their behaviour.
“” Narrated Abdullah ibn Sa’d al-Ansari: Abdullah asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): What is lawful for me to do with my wife when she is menstruating? He replied: What is above the waist-wrapper is lawful for you.”
Here Mohammed is commanding the Jews to break the law of Moses. This proves that Mohammed cannot be a prophet from God, at least for Jews and Christians who follow their books.
“They were allowed to conduct their regular affairs, and even attend the Eid gatherings. This is the wonderful religion of Islam.”
But not attend Friday prayers in the mosque?
We know that Mohammed discouraged women from attending prayers at the mosque. He told them they should stay at home.
A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.
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“Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses through his behaviour with Aisha.”
why didn’t jezer do a ritual cleansing after he touched a dead woman ?
the torah mandates him to wash his sinful body. why didn’t jesus do this?
yhwh says it is AN ETERNAL law.
why did a jew like jesus not CLEAN himself with water after touching a dead body?
“A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.”
neither are pagan women who menstruate not forbidden to go into the temple of kali and worship
what is your point?
actually the pagan women can worship their god regardless of how much filth they are in.
“A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.”
“In the vision God has to be represented in some kind of human form. He can’t be invisible. It has nothing to do with canaanite deities.”
well you idiot, they are visible too, so the writer is thinking of a visible god just like the CANNAANITES are thinking of a VISIBLE god.
THINKING OF A VISIBLE god.
how do VISIBLE dieties come along if one DID NOT think about them IN their MINDS in the first place?
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LOL, madman somehow worked up the courage to try to answer the question that so many of idiotic brethren have been avoiding! Unfortunately, madman was up to his usual nonsense.
“In the vision God has to be represented in some kind of human form. He can’t be invisible. It has nothing to do with canaanite deities.”
WOW! Talk about special pleading!
It has EVERYTHING to do with Canaanite deities, you ignorant fool! The “vision” borrows from pagan mythology. God appeared as an old man! That was the so-called “vision”! It wasn’t simply a matter of using Canaanite words like “El” for God. In this case, the author deliberately used Canaanite mythology to describe God. Ergo, your god is an old man with white hair. Ergo, you are a pagan.
“Only the touching of the woman was forbidden. Mohammed was breaking the law of Moses through his behaviour with Aisha.”
LOL!! Madman exposes his ignorance of the Bible yet again! Let’s see what the Bible says:
” And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.”
So, even lying in the same bed or touching anything she has touched makes the man unclean as well. Not only that, but verse 19 says that during the menstrual period, the woman must be “put apart”. In other words, there would have to be COMPLETE separation from the husband and wife. Stop your lying madman.
Also, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not bound to the Law of Moses. That law was for the Jews only. With the coming of Islam, many of the rules of Mosaic Law were relaxed. The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.
“So all the Jews had to do was refer to their scripture to correct their behaviour.”
NO! Leviticus is clear that there was to be complete separation, you dingbat.
“Here Mohammed is commanding the Jews to break the law of Moses. This proves that Mohammed cannot be a prophet from God, at least for Jews and Christians who follow their books.”
LOL, Christian hypocrisy rears its ugly head again! Earth to madman: you don’t follow the law of Moses you idiot! Your false apostle Paul said the law no longer applies! So HE was the false prophet! Ezekiel was very clear that the law of Moses and the temple sacrifice was to last FOREVER. Your false prophet Paul negated that!
“But not attend Friday prayers in the mosque?
We know that Mohammed discouraged women from attending prayers at the mosque. He told them they should stay at home.”
LOL, is it surprising that madman is also ignorant of Islam when he already so ignorant of his own Bible?
Women can attend Friday prayers or any prayers in the mosque, idiot. Also, “discouraging” is not the same as “preventing”. It was better for them to pray at home but they were allowed to go the mosque as well.
“Salim narrated it from his father (‘Abdullah b. Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
When women ask permission for going to the mosque, do not prevent them” (Sahih Muslim).
“Ibn ‘Umar reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying; Do not prevent your women from visiting the mosque; but their houses are better for them (for praying)” (Abu Dawud).
” Ibn ‘Umar reported:
Grant permission to women for going to the mosque in the night. His son who was called Waqid said: Then they would make mischief. He (the narrator) said: He thumped his (son’s) chest and said: I am narrating to you the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and you say: No!” (Sahih Muslim).
“A Christian woman who is menstruating is not forbidden to take part in any worship gathering.”
LOL, that’s because your false apostle said Christians don’t have to follow the law of Moses anymore. That is why he was a liar! He contradicted Ezekiel!
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
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Where’d ya run off to Coco? Why do you worship a Canaanite deity? Why is your god an old man?
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@ perhaps Quaran and bible blog could point out in the bible where God is portrayed as an aged man? I must have missed that.
What’s the big deal about white hair? Doesn’t allah have 99 personalities and 2 right hands,
A caananite deity is risible. Muslim apologists love to say how evil Jehovah is/was for ordering the ethnic cleansing of Canaan. Now he is a caananite deity.
I have heard everything now.
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99 personalities?
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Perhaps Achilles should read Daniel 7 and the description of the “Ancient of Days”.
What’s the “big deal” about white hair, you ask? Um, let’ see. There’s a seemingly endless list of reasons why it’s a “big deal”. First of all, describing God with human qualities is what pagans do. Second, the imagery of a white-haired god is borrowed from Canaanite myth, as any historian will tell you.
In his “vision”, Daniel saw the “Ancient of Days” and provided a vivid description of this being (who was obviously “God”), including clothing that “was white as snow”, and hair that “was white as wool”. But as historians have recognized, this description of a white-haired God seems to be influenced by pagan mythology. According to Raymond Hammer:
“[t]he imagery probably comes from Canaanite mythology, in which El was regarded as an aged deity with grey hair.”
Moreover, the imagery of a “son of man” approaching the “Ancient of Days” shares similarities with Canaanite myth. According to Hammer:
“[i]n Ugaritic texts Baal, the younger god, is described as the one who slew the dragon Itu and so gained victory over the sea, thus establishing his kingship. (In verses 13-14 the second figure is seen as the recipient of authority at the hand of the ‘ancient in years’ and this may reflect the ancient mythology preserved in the enthronement festival of New Year rites.”
Even a trinitarian Christian admits to the parallels with Canaanite mythology. Dr. Michael Heiser states:
“The plurality of thrones in the passage tell us plainly that we have here what scholars of the Hebrew Bible call a divine council scene — the high sovereign in his throne room, meeting with the heavenly host. The literature of Ugarit has many such scenes, and the biblical divine council and the council at Ugarit are very similar. In point of fact, the flow of Daniel 7 actually follows the flow of a divine council scene in the Baal Cycle:
Ugarit / Baal Cycle
(A) El, the aged high God, is the ultimate sovereign in the council.
(B) El bestows kingship upon the god Baal, the Cloud-Rider, after Baal defeats the god Yamm in battle.
(C) Baal is king of the gods and El’s vizier. His rule is everlasting.
Daniel 7
(A) The Ancient of Days, the God of Israel is seated on the fiery, wheeled throne (cf. Ezekiel 1). Like Ugaritic El, he is white haired and aged (“ancient”).
(B) Yahweh-El, the Ancient of Days, bestows kingship upon the Son of Man who rides the clouds after the beast from the sea (yamma) is destroyed.
(C) The Son of Man is given everlasting dominion over the nations. He rules at the right hand of God.
The striking parallels are especially noteworthy given that this is the only time in the Old Testament where a second personage other than Yahweh is described as “coming with/upon the clouds” (the preposition in Aramaic can be translated either way). The intent of the author to describe this “son of man” with a title reserved only for Yahweh was clear by virtue of how the scene followed the Baal literature — the literary cycle whose central character, Baal, held the Cloud-Rider title!” (https://www.logos.com/ugaritic)
So yes, your Bible’s description of “Yahweh/Jehovah” in Daniel 7 is based on a Canaanite myth. Ergo, God is described as a Canaanite deity. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the truth is not always easy to accept.
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Pfft. Speculation. What a joke.
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Pfft. Denial. What a joke.
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Similarities then becomes based on. Bwahahaha.
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Denial is an ugly thing. Bwahahaha.
How’s your old man doing? I mean your god the “Father” of course. Bwahahaha.
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“It has EVERYTHING to do with Canaanite deities, you ignorant fool! The “vision” borrows from pagan mythology. God appeared as an old man! ”
“9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.”
A human person is depicted with authority and purity. The Canaanites didn’t have a copyright on it. They also copied their imagery from everyday life where everybody else could also copy from.
“Stop your lying madman.”
The only thing that she makes unclean is what she sits or lies on and anything that comes in contact with the same. So her husband can eat with her.as long as he doesn’t touch her or anything that she has sat or lied on.
“Also, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not bound to the Law of Moses. That law was for the Jews only. With the coming of Islam, many of the rules of Mosaic Law were relaxed. The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.”
The ceremonial law was abrogated, and some theocratical laws such as apostasy and blasphemy ceased to be criminal acts, but the moral law never changed from that given at Sinai and could not be changed. That’s the clear testimony of scripture.
How can you charge Paul with abrogating the law when he never did such. It was your prophet that watered down the moral law of Moses you hyprocrite! He even broke it himself!
Jesus didn’t abrogate any moral laws. He reasserted the law of Moses in the Sermon on the Mount.
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Madman the crazy clown said:
“A human person is depicted with authority and purity. The Canaanites didn’t have a copyright on it. They also copied their imagery from everyday life where everybody else could also copy from.”
Hahahaha, Christians can never be consistent can they? There are so many things wrong with your asinine statement:
1. YES, a HUMAN is depicted as GOD THE FATHER! But the Bible says that God bears no resemblance to humans and that there are none like Him! And yet, the author of “Daniel” depicts God as a human! Thank you for showing the pagan nonsense in your Bible!
2. The Canaanites didn’t have a “copyright”? LOL, so you admit that the author simply recycled a well-known myth!
3. The last part is just too funny! All pagans used imagery from everyday life! That’s why they are heretics. Their imagery does NOT come from God! Why do you think Hindus worship an elephant-god? Because elephants were part of the regional fauna. If elephants had not been there, some other animal would have been made into their god. Every culture used imagery from everyday life to concoct their myths.
4. Consistency is hard to come by for Christians. Has something similar been found in the Quran, they would have jumped all over it. But because it’s the Bible, they are willing to give it a free pass. Clear borrowing from pagan mythology is excused as no “big deal”. What a bunch of lying hypocrite clowns!
“The only thing that she makes unclean is what she sits or lies on and anything that comes in contact with the same. So her husband can eat with her.as long as he doesn’t touch her or anything that she has sat or lied on.”
LOL, Rabbi Madman has absolutely no idea what he is talking about! Leviticus states that the woman must be completely separated. The same thing happened after a woman gave birth, although the period of separation was longer when a female was born. This was COMPLETE separation.
“The ceremonial law was abrogated, and some theocratical laws such as apostasy and blasphemy ceased to be criminal acts, but the moral law never changed from that given at Sinai and could not be changed. That’s the clear testimony of scripture.”
LOL, well how convenient! Basically, any law that requires EFFORT and ACTION has been abrogated and a Christian merely has to pay lip-service to the law! Yep, there’s nothing hypocritical about that (sarcasm intended)!
“How can you charge Paul with abrogating the law when he never did such. It was your prophet that watered down the moral law of Moses you hyprocrite! He even broke it himself!”
Madman’s dementia is getting worse by the minute. Paul was the one who said that Christians are now free of the law. That false prophet contradicted God and His prophet Jesus (pbuh). And you hypocrites merely give lip-service to the so-called “moral law”.
Not only that but, as I said previously, the so-called “ceremonial laws” were meant to be in effect FOREVER according to Ezekiel. You idiots have no answer for this.
I also noticed you didn’t answer my question about Christians and menstruation. How typical of a moronic and cowardly apologist:
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
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“1. YES, a HUMAN is depicted as GOD THE FATHER!”
The vision is used to convey the concept of the Son of Man and his relation to God.
Where is the Father bit? There is nothing that says God is a Father in the vision. You are making this up.
There is nothing pagan about it. The vision is pure symbolism and is not the physical reality of God.
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LOL, so now you are saying that the Jews did not have the concept of God as a “Father”? Inconsistency abounds in Christian apologetics!
Isn’t the “son of man” (Jesus) supposed to be God’s “son”? Thus, who else could be the “Ancient of Days” other than God the “father” (as you trinitarians would put it)?
Symbolism or not, it is STILL borrowed from Canaanite MYTHOLOGY. It’s amazing the lengths you idiots will go to save your Bible from being exposed.
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“Not only that but, as I said previously, the so-called “ceremonial laws” were meant to be in effect FOREVER according to Ezekiel. You idiots have no answer for this.”
Ezekiel is not talking about the an earthly temple that was constructed by Solomon or Herod.
He is using these earthly temples to describe a temple that will be similar to these temples that will always exist and in which there will be worship for ever.
The whole thing is symbolism.
You guys don’t interpret scripture with scripture.
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Pure Christian BS. Every time there is a contradiction or an embarrassing verse, all of a sudden, it becomes “symbolic”.
We don’t interpret the Bible with your moronic Christian assumptions. When you learn to cast aside the nonsense you were taught in church, you will see it clear as day: the Bible is self-contradictory and NOT the so-called “inspired” word of God.
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“LOL, well how convenient! Basically, any law that requires EFFORT and ACTION has been abrogated and a Christian merely has to pay lip-service to the law! Yep, there’s nothing hypocritical about that (sarcasm intended)!”
You have no argument so now you resort to rambling along in vague generalities. Typical nonsense.
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LOL, no real response because the Christian knows he has been exposed. So he’ll just whine like a little girl.
Still no answer from madman: Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
Why won’t you answer you coward? What are you afraid of?
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“Madman’s dementia is getting worse by the minute. Paul was the one who said that Christians are now free of the law. That false prophet contradicted God and His prophet Jesus (pbuh). And you hypocrites merely give lip-service to the so-called “moral law”.”
More evidence that you are spewing a load of bs about Paul, but you are not fooling anyone except yourself:
Romans 2 v 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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LOL, STILL no response to my question! What are you clowns afraid of?
You are a fool madman! A brainwashed idiotic fool whose mind has become rotten by the corrupting influence of Christianity. I already know that your false prophet Paul was just as confused as you are. He was known for his double-talk and changing views. In one place, he would declare the law to be abolished, but then in another place, he would defend its practice. The guy was was clueless! Now let’s read his denunciation of the law:
“…having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.”
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
You are an imbecile, just one among a group of imbeciles that get humiliated every time they open their mouths.
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No land for the Muslims in Israel according to Ezekiel:
“The Borders of the Land
Ezekiel 47 v 13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. 14 And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.
15 And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.
18 And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.
19 And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.
20 The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.
Are you still siding with Ezekiel Mr. Faiz? Is that forever as well?
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ROTFL! You guys are a riot!
Read carefully, madman. I don’t regard Ezekiel to be “scripture”. I only referred to it to show you idiots the folly of your religion. Whereas Ezekiel states that the temple will be rebuilt and the sacrifices reestablished for all time (and yes, that also includes the land being given to the Jews for all time), your false prophet Paul says the old law has been abolished and the sacrifices are not needed because Jesus’ sacrifice is what matters. What then would be the purpose of the temple sacrifices being reinstated? You see why I referred to Ezekiel now? I don’t care what it says because I don’t believe it is scripture. But YOU do! So, it’s a problem for YOU, not for me! Get it?
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Once again madman:
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
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Faiz said:
“You see why I referred to Ezekiel now? I don’t care what it says because I don’t believe it is scripture. But YOU do! So, it’s a problem for YOU, not for me! Get it”
I reply:
No, it’s not a problem for me because I can’t see any evidence for a literal re-building of the temple. Especially of this temple. The dispensationalists have to find their solutions to the problem. This is the dominant school of prophecy in the church so they must have come up with some ways of circumventing the problem. Take a look in the Schofield bible and I am sure you will find an interpretation that seeks to fit these scriptures in to the dispensationalist scheme of things.
Actually only the Jews and the Gentile nations are living on the earth in the millenial period. The church is in heaven and is not redeemed through temple sacrifice. The church in heaven has a different temple.
I am an amillenialist so I don’t have to go down this road.
Another thing is that the prince in this passage is not the messiah in my view. Where is the evidence for this assumption?
Faiz said:
The guy was was clueless! Now let’s read his denunciation of the law:
“…having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.”
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
You are an imbecile, just one among a group of imbeciles that get humiliated every time they open their mouths.”
I reply:
Paul is condemning the Jews for trying to use the law to justify themselves before God. He never discards the use of the law to show men what God requires of them to live a holy life.
You said:
“The strictness of the law was to punish the Jews for their rebelliousness against Allah (swt). When Jesus (pbuh) came, he also abrogated some parts of the law, but not the full law. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the Sharia replaced the Law of Moses.””
I reply:
What nonsense! The law was given only once at Sinai before the nation of Israel had backslidden!
“King James Bible
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Mohammed does not constitute any kind of fulfilment that could trigger a change of the law. Whereas Jesus on the other hand does constitute such a fulfilment. That was his mission:
Jesus Fulfills the Law
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
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“No, it’s not a problem for me because I can’t see any evidence for a literal re-building of the temple. Especially of this temple. The dispensationalists have to find their solutions to the problem. This is the dominant school of prophecy in the church so they must have come up with some ways of circumventing the problem. Take a look in the Schofield bible and I am sure you will find an interpretation that seeks to fit these scriptures in to the dispensationalist scheme of things.”
Hahahaha, you don’ see any evidence for a literal re-building? Then you must be a brainwashed zombie Christian!
The book describes the rebuilding in DETAIL, even providing the MEASUREMENTS! Read Ezekiel 40. To claim that this is not referring to a literal rebuilding is cop-out used by you idiots to avoid admitting what is blatantly obvious: that Ezekiel flat-out contradicts the New Testament.
“Actually only the Jews and the Gentile nations are living on the earth in the millenial period. The church is in heaven and is not redeemed through temple sacrifice. The church in heaven has a different temple.
I am an amillenialist so I don’t have to go down this road.
Another thing is that the prince in this passage is not the messiah in my view. Where is the evidence for this assumption?”
WRONG! The temple is literally rebuilt on earth. Ezekiel 40 states this clearly:
“In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city.”
“Paul is condemning the Jews for trying to use the law to justify themselves before God. He never discards the use of the law to show men what God requires of them to live a holy life.”
LOL, oh please, save your lies! Paul clearly said that Christians need not worry about what they eat and so on. It is clear abrogation of the dietary laws, etc.
“What nonsense! The law was given only once at Sinai before the nation of Israel had backslidden!”
And what’s your point? I don’t believe in the Bible, you idiot! I was commenting on what the Quran says on this matter.
Ironically, according to the Bible, when the law was first given to the Jews, Moses (pbuh) told them that it was a difficult law and that keeping the commandments was not a burden, something Paul cleverly kept hidden from his readers.
““King James Bible
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Mohammed does not constitute any kind of fulfilment that could trigger a change of the law. Whereas Jesus on the other hand does constitute such a fulfilment. That was his mission:
Jesus Fulfills the Law
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
Hahahaha, this is why Paul was a false prophet! Whereas Jesus claimed that the law would remain, Paul threw it out.
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Here is more proof that Ezekiel was talking about the literal rebuilding of the temple as well as complete obedience to the law of Moses, and that Paul contradicted Ezekiel. The following are from Ezekiel 44:
“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites.”
Comment: If Ezekiel was referring to a metaphorical rebuilding, then why would he have said that “foreigners” could not enter the sanctuary? Also, does this mean that only Israelites can enter, and not faithful gentile Christians? Notice it says “uncircumcised in heart AND FLESH”!
“They must not shave their heads or let their hair grow long, but they are to keep the hair of their heads trimmed. 21 No priest is to drink wine when he enters the inner court. 22 They must not marry widows or divorced women; they may marry only virgins of Israelite descent or widows of priests. 23 They are to teach my people the difference between the holy and the common and show them how to distinguish between the unclean and the clean.”
Comment: Here, the major rules of ritual purity are laid down. There is clear emphasis on “clean” versus “unclean”. Yet, the false apostle Paul said Christians need not worry about such matters!
“‘In any dispute, the priests are to serve as judges and decide it according to my ordinances. They are to keep my laws and my decrees for all my appointed festivals, and they are to keep my Sabbaths holy.”
Comment: Again, here is an emphasis on keeping the laws and ALL appointed festivals. Compare this to what Paul said:
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.”
Madman’s lies have been thoroughly exposed!
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“by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.”
this is not the correct translation.
King James Bible
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The law created the enmity between Jew and Gentile with its commandments concerning clean and unclean. These ordinances were done away through the sacrifice of Christ creating spiritual unity between Jew and Gentile by abolishing the religious identities which the abrogated law created.
Islam wants to go book to the OT theocracy with the Arabs replacing the Jews. Replacement theology.
Keep trying Faiz.
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“The law created the enmity between Jew and Gentile with its commandments concerning clean and unclean. ”
which book from the old testament says that the law created enmity between jew and gentile?
according to the ot, god so loved the world that he sent his laws and rituals, that so whoever does them shall have eternal life. this is the message one gets from the ot.
your pagan human sacrifice is an abomination. yhwh says that killing a human for sins is an abomination.
human sacrifices cannot REPLACE the laws and rituals in the ot, even animals which yhwh so loved could not do away his laws and rituals.
what yardstick do you use about “created enmity”
noahides DO not eat pork
which enemity was clean and unclean creating for noahides?
why do you take your beliefs from paul and the disciples of jesus ?
https://turchisrong.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/james-patrick-holdings-intentional.html
they are portrayed as dumb dimwits . how can you trust anything these dumb dimwits said about jesus?
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Another cop-out. When in doubt, say the translation is not “correct” and fall back on the KJV Bible. Unfortunately for you, it’s the KJV that has been declared to be an unreliable translation by many scholars.
The contradictions in your religion are astounding! Now you admit that the dietary laws WERE abolished! But I thought that Jesus said “one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled”? Oh but I know what you are going to say. Jesus “fulfilled” the law, right? But what does that mean? Jesus kept the law and so did his disciples. Why did Paul come along and say it no longer matters?
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Notice how the mad clown keeps avoiding my question. He REFUSES to answer the question, because it seems he knows where it will lead. I love it when these clowns ignore any question that will expose their hypocrisy and faulty theology.
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
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“Madman’s lies have been thoroughly exposed!”
We know that the text is a prophecy and a command to build the second temple but the question is does it command a third temple to be built somewhere in our future? In some supposed millenial kingdom?
I say no. Singer makes the prince the messiah with some slight of the hand eisegesis. No hard and fast evidence that this is the case.
A healing river flows from the altar of the ezekiel temple so it is a mysterious temple that cannot be built by the hands of man. A little detail that you overlooked? But you always cherry pick anyway. The devil is in the details they say.
“which book from the old testament says that the law created enmity between jew and gentile?”
The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.
“And what’s your point? I don’t believe in the Bible, you idiot! I was commenting on what the Quran says on this matter.”
What does it say? Let us in on the secret.
“Ironically, according to the Bible, when the law was first given to the Jews, Moses (pbuh) told them that it was a difficult law and that keeping the commandments was not a burden, something Paul cleverly kept hidden from his readers.”
Uh? Perhaps you meant to say “NOT a difficult law”.
If so Moses said that the Jews could get the temporal blessings and avoid the curses by keeping the law. So the passage in question just relates to merits of obedience in this life.
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“We know that the text is a prophecy and a command to build the second temple but the question is does it command a third temple to be built somewhere in our future? In some supposed millenial kingdom?”
It talks about a catastrophic war with Gog and Magog followed by the rebuilding of the temple. It is understood that the prophecy is regarding an everlasting kingdom because at the end of the book, the city is renamed as “The Lord is there”. The verse says “from that time on…”
Your desperation is showing.
“A healing river flows from the altar of the ezekiel temple so it is a mysterious temple that cannot be built by the hands of man. A little detail that you overlooked? But you always cherry pick anyway. The devil is in the details they say.”
LOL, you are an IDIOT> Your lying spirit deceives you.
There is nothing “mysterious” about this, you clown. The river brings life to the region, and plentiful fish and fruits. The chapter that fishermen will thrive there because there will be so many fish to catch:
“There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10 Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea.”
What’s so mysterious about this, stupid?
“The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.”
Madman is a little confused…or perhaps lazy? You re responding both heathcliff and myself in the same post?
The law was given to the Jews, not the Gentiles, because most of the Gentiles were pagans. And that problem remained in Jesus’ time, because the Romans were pagans. It’s no wonder that Jesus (pbuh) kept the law, whereas your Hellenized false prophet Paul rejected it!
“What does it say? Let us in on the secret.”
Suffering from amnesia are we? I already explained what the Quran says.
4:160-161 – For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way;- That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.
And Jesus (pbuh) as quoted as saying to the Israelites:
““‘(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. “‘It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.’”
“Uh? Perhaps you meant to say “NOT a difficult law”.”
Yes, thank you for correcting me! Indeed, Moses told them it was NOT difficult to follow the law.
“If so Moses said that the Jews could get the temporal blessings and avoid the curses by keeping the law. So the passage in question just relates to merits of obedience in this life.”
LOL, what a moronic sack of crap! Well of course it relates to this life, you clown! The point, which you failed to refute (so what else is new, right?) is that your Bible declares that the law is NOT difficult to follow. Yet once again, your false prophet Paul disagreed and declared on his own authority that the law was now abolished.
I notice how you jump around in your responses. You conveniently skip responding to any point that destroys your argument. I assume that means you acknowledge that you have no response?
And still, NO RESPONSE TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! It’s okay madman. I know you won’t respond because you are afraid. And the longer you refuse to answer, the worse it gets for you. So, by all means, keep ignoring the question and don’t answer it! But here it is again:
Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?
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“The law of Moses obviously you wutherer. Do you like being told that you smell and are dirty? But that’s what you Muslims are taught to think of non-Muslims. Do you think that is something that does not cause emnity between Muslims and non-Muslims. Why should it not cause emnity between Jew and Gentile.”
jews do rituals and jesus took those rituals a step to far by calling a woman a little dog. DOES THAT MEAN ALL the jews considered the non-jews ANIMALS/PIGS/shit ?
when a non-jew BECAME a jew , did he think that God had a view of him as SMELLY and dirty?
when a gentile BECAME a jew, did the gentile think that God had a view of him as smelly and dirty ?
you quote the crap from acts, but not ALL jews were sharing the crap found in acts. not ALL jews considered humble women as DOGS/little bitches.
we should NOT let NEW TESTAMENT cloud our thinking .
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in the mind of moses, righteousness could only be obtained by obeying all of God’s instructions (deu 6:25). in the mind of moses, the only way for a hebrew to avoid SERVING OTHERS gods, is to actually SERVE the one true God. YOU DO THAT BY OBEYING HIM.
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so i will ask an ASSmus like you again, when a non-jew CONVERTED to judaism, did he tell himself that he is SMELLY and dirty or did he tell himself that God COMMANDED i EAT the right FOOD and God commanded the rituals ?
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“noahides DO not eat pork
which enemity was clean and unclean creating for noahides?
why do you take your beliefs from paul and the disciples of jesus ?
https://turchisrong.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/james-patrick-holdings-intentional.html
they are portrayed as dumb dimwits . how can you trust anything these dumb dimwits said about jesus?”
At least they could read and write which is more than some people I know about.
All they had to do was have a good memory and report.
There must have been at least one pair of squeakers and squealers on the ark to provide the pork chops for the new meat eaters.
Noahides had no laws to forbid them eating pork.
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All they had to do was have a good memory and report.”
lol, so how come peter in acts forgot that it was he who had asked jesus about that which defiles LOL?
you see dumb ass, if peter had “good memory” then he would not need a VISION telling him that it is OKAY to eat with gentiles on the same table.
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that which defiles by coming out of the mouth you dumbass wutherer.
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is this your pathetic reply shit head?
if MEMORY was SO good, why did PETER forget that it was your BLOOD god who told him
“make disciples of all nations” (Matthew 28:19)
why would he need a vision which said :
“You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean”
if MEMORY was so good SHIT head, why did he forget that “jesus MADE ALL food cleans” and what was the need to say
“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
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it was peter who asked jeeebus about that which DEFILES .
15Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?
so put it ALL together SHIT head.
he knows all foods are CLEAN . he knows eating any crap WILL not DEFILE . he knows “make disciples of ALL nations” yet he still utters the crap in acts?
how can you trust these DUMB and dull pals of your god?
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Hahahaha, Ignoramus got walloped!
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“Can Christian husbands have intercourse with their wives while they are menstruating? Yes or no?”
you have had no reply to this question. apparently the blood of jesus can’t undo ot law pertaining to bleeding christian women.
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That’s what I’m starting to think.
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where did jesus say that he made all foods clean dumbo?
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pigLIT, in acts, the blood god spends 40 days with these dufus disciples. WHAT did they DISCUSS , piglit?
mark tells you that jeezer made ALL food clean. if peter was his INFORMANT ,then peter was the source, right? or did mark INVENT THIS bulls in brackets under the inspiration of holy schpirit?
“For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
isn’t it strange and funny that NONE of this is USED AS evidence in the book of ACTS to convince the pissed off jewish followers of blood god ?
in those 40 days(post resurrection ) your pagan FALSE blood god was with his disciples, there was no DISCUSSION of FOOD, gentiles etc etc ?
for 40 days , jeeezer , did not go over and over that ALL foods are declared CLEAN to munch on?
remember, we talking about MEMORY here.
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“if MEMORY was SO good, why did PETER forget that it was your BLOOD god who told him
“make disciples of all nations” (Matthew 28:19)”
In and of itself this command doesn’t delineate the form of social contact which results in obeying the command.
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what does “make disciples of all nations ” mean? they would go to the gentiles and do what exactly ? sit next to the gentiles, right? talk about human sacrifice which took place on their behalf, right? talk about all the CRAP they could eat, right? this was ALL explained in those 40 DAYS , right?
now look at peters response :
4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’
comment : this guy was so hungry he started hallucinating .
8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.
::::::::::::::why not just a SIMPLE, “but i remember that in those 40 days the blood god was WITH us , he told us to go and MAKE gentiles ALL over the world…”
or “he told us that ALL foods are CLEAN “
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“in obeying the command.”
should be
“from obeying the command”
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““For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Thats not the correct translation.
“17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? ”
Jesus doesn’t change or abrogate the law with this parable. He gives a deeper explanation of the law.
Unlike your prophet Jesus respected Moses.
If Jesus changed or abrogated the law why didn’t James get the message? Was he also, according to you, a dimwit with a poor memory?
Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted.
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“pigLIT, in acts, the blood god spends 40 days with these dufus disciples. WHAT did they DISCUSS , piglit?”
I take that as a compliment to be called a piglit by a Muslim 🙂
Why did your holy prophet Noah take some piglets on board the ark with him?
Was he looking forward to the new experience of pork chops?
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“Unlike your prophet Jesus respected Moses.”
where did the torah say that the messiah will be “lord of the sabbath” ?
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do you take it as a compliment that jesus called gentile women female dogs?
at least noah took them on board, your prophet jebus KILLED 2000 of them for no REASON .
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““For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)”
Thats not the correct translation.
“17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? ”
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NRSV :
Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, 19 since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
QUESTIONS :
WHEN PIG is put into MOUTH, does it DEFILE? yes or no?
your pagan human blood god REDUCED the LAWS of yhwh to DRAIN and shitting out .
you Eat , digest and then CRAP out.
WHO told mark “he DECLARED all foods clean” ?
did peter get this from jesus ?
“Jesus doesn’t change or abrogate the law with this parable. He gives a deeper explanation of the law.”
SO is putting pig/bacon in mouth defiling , or not?
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Unlike your prophet Jesus respected Moses.”
idiot, we are talking about MEMORY here.
remember the crap you talked about earlier
peter knows that jeezer the blood god EAT with GENTILES
he knows that foods don’t DEFILE
he knows about his MISSION to non-jews
he knows that “jesus loves all”
he knows that one can SIT ON THE same table where a gentile SITS because BLOOD god “declared ALL FOODS clean”
WHY DID PETER NOT RECALL ANY OF THIS ? WHY WAS A VISION REQUIRED WHEN PETER HAD examples from BLOOD god ?
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If Jesus changed or abrogated the law why didn’t James get the message? Was he also, according to you, a dimwit with a poor memory?”
DOES EATING BACON DEFILE?
james didn’t get it, 1) either he never heard the CRAP in the gospels 2) he didn’t know about mission to gentiles, he didn’t know that one can EAT at the same table as gentile etc etc
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Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted.”
for those 40 days , what did blood god DISCUSS with his pals? all you are doing is showing a contradiction between the texts. MEATS offered to idols? but jesus said that it is not what GOES in which DEFILES. meats are all permissible . peter knew that the HUMAN sacrifice done away with the LAWS of the ot.
does not the meat offered to idol go in the mouth, digested and then SHITTED out ?
we know that marks text was NOT ACCEPTABLE to matthew, because mark CHANGES it to WASHING hands before EATING
he completely omits the words “he DECLARED all foods clean”
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Acts 15 v 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
According to you he should have know that Jesus did away with the law of clean and unclean so the Gentiles could eat what they wanted”
1. does eating bacon defile?
2. did peter forget to tell james what took place in mark 7 ?
3. the woman who has “great faith” was she suppose to KEEP the jewish RITUALS ?
4. when did idol meat defile? according to jesus, food is food, jesus has become an modern day pagan christian evangelist in mark 7.
5. matthew was SO embarrassed with mark 7, that he made changes to the text.
6. did peter forget the story when jeezer, the blood god, was SEEN eating at the same table as non-jews ?
7. was not BLOOD of pagan blood god powerful enough to “cleanse” meat offered to idols and animal blood itself?
8. do you as a gentile pagan christian eat bacon and pigs blood?
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when Jesus said what goes out defiles he wasn’t talking about ceremonial defilement, he was talking about Moral defilement,
anything that the Body can Digest and purge can not defile us morally.
so the pig defiled because it was made a Symbol of sin by the law of Moses.
that’s why the jews still had to avoid it after Jesus explained that it does not defile. that’s why Peter still had to Keep the law after Jesus declared the pig to be a clean animal which was created for Food. Moses made the pig cermonially, but not morally unclean.
it would help if you would post references so i don’t have to search for the text.
as far as the woman goes she did not find what Jesus said to be an Insult. so it could not have been an Insult.
the ceremonial law only applied as Long as the old covenant was in force. once the new covenant took over the laws of clean and unclean no longer applied.
are you a jew because you want to Keep this law? just saying, no Insult intended.
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“when Jesus said what goes out defiles he wasn’t talking about ceremonial defilement, he was talking about Moral defilement,”
1. who added in these words
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In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean”
did peter tell these words to mark or did mark MAKE them up ?
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anything that the Body can Digest and purge can not defile us morally.”
okay , so why did peter NEED a vision to SIT with the non-jews when he knew that eating on the table with non- jews /sitting next to them cannot defile morally?
“so the pig defiled because it was made a Symbol of sin by the law of Moses.”
ALL foods were DECLARED CLEAN in mark 7 . according to jesus, his human sacrifice took away this defilement.
actually mark 7 says that even prior to his human sacrifice, all foods were declared clean .
so peter, according to modern day christian, knows:
1. jesus declared all foods clean
2. jesus human sacrifice abrogated many laws in the ot
3.jesus spent 40 days with his pals teaching them in acts
4. he was told explicitly by the man himself to go to the non-jewish people
what was the need of the “divine” vision in acts 10-11 WHEN peter had ALL the examples from jeezer himself?
“that’s why Peter still had to Keep the law after Jesus declared the pig to be a clean animal which was created for Food. Moses made the pig cermonially, but not morally unclean.”
yhwh said :
“You shall be holy because I, Yahweh your god, am holy”
yhwhs laws have been reduced to what is clean and unclean , but yhwh considered it HOLY and unholly LIVING
so OBEYING yhwh has everything to do with moral living.
. its a MORAL thing . obeying and disobeying God is a moral thing and has NOTHING to do with whether it is CLEAN or not. If God said “don’t do x, y and z” then it is understood as RIGHT AND WRONG behavior .
so you admit that peter understood that jesus DECLARED the PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was CREATED for food”
so i will add to my list your own words :
1. jesus declared all foods clean
2. jesus human sacrifice abrogated many laws in the ot
3.jesus spent 40 days with his pals teaching them in acts
4. he was told explicitly by the man himself to go to the non-jewish people
5. erasmus said that peter KNEW jesus DECLARED PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was created for food”
there would be NO sin even if peter MUNCHED on pig, since it has nothing to do with what is moral and what is not.
yhwh says :
“You shall be holy because I, Yahweh your god, am holy”
vs peter :
“You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean”
BUT peter HAD the list above.
Why did god need to SHOW him anything, when he ALREADY knew the STUFF i listed above?
“Moses made the pig cermonially…unclean”
yhwh called it HOLY living .
you REDUCED it to RITUAL
“as far as the woman goes she did not find what Jesus said to be an Insult. so it could not have been an Insult.”
what kind of logic is this? she may very well have found it to be an insult but she was the one who needed help for her daughter. she was went to a gang and the leader was mocking her in front of his gang.
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the ceremonial law only applied as Long as the old covenant was in force.”
but peter knew this in mark 7 and beyond.
” once the new covenant took over the laws of clean and unclean no longer applied.”
you mean yhwhistic HOLY living no longer apply ?
“are you a jew because you want to Keep this law? just saying, no Insult intended.”
i am not a Jew. which direction are you taking this conversation?
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But Peter said to him, “Explain this parable to us.” 16 Then he said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth enters the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?
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Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, 19 since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
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He became hungry and wanted something to eat; and while it was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw the heaven opened and something like a large sheet coming down, being lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed creatures and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 Then he heard a voice saying, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is profane or unclean.” 15 The voice said to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you must not call profane.”
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11 Now the apostles and the believers[a] who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also accepted the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers[b] criticized him, 3 saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?” 4 Then Peter began to explain it to them, step by step, saying, 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision.
why is PETER USING his hallucinations to EXPLAIN about what is RIGHT for Jewish christians to do when he has MARK 7 in his pocket and Erasmus’ words ?
erasmus said that peter KNEW jesus DECLARED PIG to be CLEAN animal
“which was created for food”
remember that EARLIER on he was talking about MEMORY.
“All they had to do was have a good memory and report.”
did dull peter FORGET, erasmus? didn’t holy spirit make spirit speak different languages? why is it that in ACTS nothing is brought to attention from what jesus said with REGARDS to this matter?
something is definitely fishy here
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ironically, it is James who identifes and confirms the kind of defilement that Jesus is talking about in the Gospels, and it is not a ceremonial / ritual defilement:
James 3 v 5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Seen in this context Jesus is not abrogating the Mosaic laws forbidding the eating of certain foods because he is not talking about ceremonial / ritual defilement.
As long as the temple was still standing and the priesthood was active the Christian Jews would feel obligated to keep the laws of clean and unclean to maintain their ceremonial purity. This is understandable.
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