And yet again Paulus greets us with his toxicity. Bless him!
How can you refute him br Paul? Look at the evidence stuffed into those two sentences of his.
It’s simple overwhelming!
If the polemics are so outdated, perhaps you could do us and yourselves a favor and point us in the direction of where the issue has been tackled successfully from your side. Then hopefully we won’t have the situation that occurs when your lot keep regurgitating arguments that have actually been refuted on this very blog and elsewhere for ages already.
Yes, very outdated. Paul knows he is using old liberal arguments. Anyway, you ask so you shall receive. Oh look, what is this? Can you believe it? WLC does actually know about this topic
“Similarly, let’s look at Mark 13:30, the Olivet Discourse. Jesus says, “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” What was he referring to in the original context when he said “all these things?” This saying comes after the prophecy of the return of the Son of Man in verses 24-27. So in this context you think he is talking about the return of the Son of Man when he says “all these things will take place before this generation passes away.” But look at the broader context of Mark 13. The phrase “all these things” occurs in Mark 13 in verses 4, 23, and 29 before Jesus says this in verse 30. Look at Mark 13:4, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign when these things are all to be accomplished?” What is the sign going to be when all these things are going to take place? Then in verse 23, after describing the destruction of Jerusalem and the false Christs that will come, he says, “But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand.” Then in verse 29, “So also, when you see these things taking place, you will know that he is near, at the very gates.” Here again, “these things” – what are these things? The things that he has been talking about with the destruction of Jerusalem. This concerns these things before the return of the Son of Man. He says “you will know then he is near, at the very gates.” But the things that he is talking about are the events prior to the Second Coming of Christ. Then he says “I say to you this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” So this could well have been in the original context talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the tribulation that will happen at that time. But, because Mark has in verses 24-27 this passage about the return of the Son of Man, reading verse 30 one gets the misimpression that he is saying the Son of Man is going to return before this generation dies off.[4] It may well have been that in the original context what is being discussed is the destruction of Jerusalem and the trials and the signs that will lead up to that. In fact, Jesus then goes on in verse 32 to say, “But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” How could Jesus have been predicting that his return would occur before this generation is dead when he himself says that even the Son of God doesn’t know when the return of the Son of Man will take place?“
Now, let’s hear about your exegetical argument in lieu of the context of the passage Paul. Or will you continue in isolating one verse and basing your theology on it?
And of course Paul never tells his little majidians that there are all sorts of opinions on this text, preterist, futurist, dual prophetic, etc. No, he prefers to think the matter is straight forward and simple and usually acts like a fundamentalist atheist in his approach
Well, considering WLC has addressed this topic in the past we can be assured he is not stumped and Paul is trolling people looking for recognition. Why else continually make these tweets public
But since you want substantial, how about you give us something substantial. All you’ve done is quite a passage and give a one line conclusion. No exegesis. C’mon Bilal, what are you afraid of?
Here is the relevant passage. See how Jesus foretells the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs.
Then we read in Mark 13 verses 24-26:
‘But in those days, after that suffering,
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
Verse 30 has Jesus tell his disciples when all these things will take place:
“I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place”
ALL THESE THINGS: the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs and the return of the Son of man in clouds with great power and glory.
The Jesus of the gospels makes a colossal prophetic error. All these things have not yet taken place: The End did not occur within the generation then living in the first century.
The Destruction of the Temple Foretold
13 As he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, ‘Look, Teacher, what large stones and what large buildings!’ 2 Then Jesus asked him, ‘Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.’
3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately, 4 ‘Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign that all these things are about to be accomplished?’ 5 Then Jesus began to say to them, ‘Beware that no one leads you astray. 6 Many will come in my name and say, “I am he!” and they will lead many astray. 7 When you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be alarmed; this must take place, but the end is still to come. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. This is but the beginning of the birth pangs.
Persecution Foretold
9 ‘As for yourselves, beware; for they will hand you over to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings because of me, as a testimony to them. 10 And the good news[b] must first be proclaimed to all nations. 11 When they bring you to trial and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say; but say whatever is given you at that time, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
The Desolating Sacrilege
14 ‘But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 15 someone on the housetop must not go down or enter the house to take anything away; 16 someone in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 17 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 18 Pray that it may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, no, and never will be. 20 And if the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he has cut short those days. 21 And if anyone says to you at that time, “Look! Here is the Messiah!” or “Look! There he is!”—do not believe it. 22 False messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But be alert; I have already told you everything.
The Coming of the Son of Man
24 ‘But in those days, after that suffering,
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
The Lesson of the Fig Tree
28 ‘From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Oops, so the Christian explanation doesn’t hold water! What a shock! So, Cerbie and Coco are in denial about their god’s inability to know the future. Poor, poor losers…
Another Christian in denial about his god’s inability to tell the future and unable to do anything about it other than make laughable comments! Oops, Christianity is proven wrong again!
I have always wondered why Paul told people that they could get married but that the “time is short” and it was better not to. What else could this have meant other than “the end is near, so don’t worry about getting married but rather watch for the end…”
“What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:29-31)
What a pathetic response! Paul was very clear here. Time is short. Therefore, whatever your current situation is, don’t change it! It could not be clearer, but because it would be embarrassing to admit that he was wrong about the end coming soon, the Christians go to great lengths to say that “well, you have to look at the context”. But the context is clear: the world is passing away and the time is short.
Jesus always spoke the Truth.
Mark 13 and Matthew 24 explained. Double meaning; 70 AD and until “that day” (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 – “but of that day” – different than the 70 AD events) = end; second coming
No; Jesus was testing the disciple’s inherent racism, after He taught them where hatred and racism starts – in pride and arrogance in the heart – Mark 7:20-23 comes before Mark 7:24-30 (the encounter with the Canaanite woman).
If you study academically and intellectually and see the context, historical background, etc. you should see this.
and no; there are no mistakes or contradictions, just apparent ones that with study and thought, there are good answers to them all.
All reputable scholars agree that John 1:1 teaches that Jesus is God by nature/substance; which you agreed with in 2012. Intelligence, grammar, logic, reason, context, intellectual integrity shows there is no contradictions and no implausible mental gymnastics.
Also, there is only one God. John 17:3-5
John 1:1 cannot contradict John 17:3-5; therefore it means God by substance/nature/essence, but not by person, since the 2nd clause “The Word was with God” = the Word was with the Father, 2 persons of the 3 person Trinity. It was the texts themselves that demonstrated the doctrine of the Trinity.
Ken,
Whatever big effort you do to avoid John17:3, it does not work, so save your time.
That verse is a sharp sword on the neck of your man made religion.
Ken you are wrong. John 1:1 can mean ‘the word was a god’.
Here is an expert opinion:
The third clause of John 1:1 may be translated as either “the word was God” or “the word was a god.”
AY Collins (Professor of New Testament Criticism and Interpretation at Yale University) in King and Messiah as Son of God, Divine, Human, and Angelic Messianic Figures in Biblical and Related Literature, p. 175.
Life has been busy; that’s why I have not commented in a while.
I have that book (King and Messiah as Son of God, by A.Y. Collins and John J. Collins), and re-read those pages and surrounding context. The big problem is that the authors, Collins and Collins – they did not analyze at all the grammar of John 1:1c – they did not mention the predicate nominative issue, nor the word order issue. If they were “experts” (as you like to tout) in Greek and grammar and exegesis – those issues would demonstrate that the only legitimate way to translate John 1:1c is “and the word was God”. By avoiding the grammatical details, they are able to sneak in “may be translated” – but it is a very bad translation, as modern day Jehovah’s Witnesses do, with a little knowledge of Greek, but not a deep or accurate knowledge of Greek. – this is surprising, because Collins and Collins should know better, because besides this mistake, they are scholars; but they obviously are not infallible by this very basic error they have made. No credible scholar has done this before; only the goofy founders of the Jehovah’s Witness cult. They ignored the grammar and exegesis in context and jumped to a phrase in Justin Martyr (“Another God”). But if one goes back and studies those passages in Justin Martyr and Henry Chadwick’s comment also ( in Collins and Collins footnote 4 on page 176), Justin Martyr did not mean “another God” as if there are two Gods, he means another person who is also called “God” and “Lord” and illustrates by fire being able to start another fire on another torch, but both have the same nature/substance. (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 127-128, 129, which Collins and Collins noted in their footnote.) Justin also quotes a lot of OT texts that point to the Word / Fire , etc. as the pre-incarnate Christ – as in Genesis 18, Isaiah 7:14 (also, not in Dialogue with Trypho, but in many other places in Justin Martyr’s works – Word became flesh, born of a Virgin), and Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 45:6-7 (quoted in Hebrews 1:8 – “of the Son, it says, “Thy Throne, O God . . . ” So Justin Martyr, properly understood, shows the distinction between Nature (the Father and the Son and Spirit having the same nature as One God) and person – the number of 2 (Father and Son) and 3 (Father, Son, and Spirit) – shows that Justin understood that distinction of “one God by nature/substance and three in persons”. So the phrase means “another person who is also called “God”; rather than 2 or 3 Gods, as in polytheism.
Blogging Theology 
Do you just troll Christian scholars hoping to get a response to your outdated polemics or what?
Smells like someone is trying to make a name for themselves
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And yet again Paulus greets us with his toxicity. Bless him!
How can you refute him br Paul? Look at the evidence stuffed into those two sentences of his.
It’s simple overwhelming!
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you caught me out there Paulus! Astute as always.
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If the polemics are so outdated, perhaps you could do us and yourselves a favor and point us in the direction of where the issue has been tackled successfully from your side. Then hopefully we won’t have the situation that occurs when your lot keep regurgitating arguments that have actually been refuted on this very blog and elsewhere for ages already.
So go on, link please.
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Yes, very outdated. Paul knows he is using old liberal arguments. Anyway, you ask so you shall receive. Oh look, what is this? Can you believe it? WLC does actually know about this topic
“Similarly, let’s look at Mark 13:30, the Olivet Discourse. Jesus says, “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” What was he referring to in the original context when he said “all these things?” This saying comes after the prophecy of the return of the Son of Man in verses 24-27. So in this context you think he is talking about the return of the Son of Man when he says “all these things will take place before this generation passes away.” But look at the broader context of Mark 13. The phrase “all these things” occurs in Mark 13 in verses 4, 23, and 29 before Jesus says this in verse 30. Look at Mark 13:4, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign when these things are all to be accomplished?” What is the sign going to be when all these things are going to take place? Then in verse 23, after describing the destruction of Jerusalem and the false Christs that will come, he says, “But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand.” Then in verse 29, “So also, when you see these things taking place, you will know that he is near, at the very gates.” Here again, “these things” – what are these things? The things that he has been talking about with the destruction of Jerusalem. This concerns these things before the return of the Son of Man. He says “you will know then he is near, at the very gates.” But the things that he is talking about are the events prior to the Second Coming of Christ. Then he says “I say to you this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” So this could well have been in the original context talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the tribulation that will happen at that time. But, because Mark has in verses 24-27 this passage about the return of the Son of Man, reading verse 30 one gets the misimpression that he is saying the Son of Man is going to return before this generation dies off.[4] It may well have been that in the original context what is being discussed is the destruction of Jerusalem and the trials and the signs that will lead up to that. In fact, Jesus then goes on in verse 32 to say, “But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” How could Jesus have been predicting that his return would occur before this generation is dead when he himself says that even the Son of God doesn’t know when the return of the Son of Man will take place?“
Now, let’s hear about your exegetical argument in lieu of the context of the passage Paul. Or will you continue in isolating one verse and basing your theology on it?
And of course Paul never tells his little majidians that there are all sorts of opinions on this text, preterist, futurist, dual prophetic, etc. No, he prefers to think the matter is straight forward and simple and usually acts like a fundamentalist atheist in his approach
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LOL!!
Poor Paul.
Do you really think that your silly objections have stumped WLC?
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i dont know. Maybe. Maybe not.
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If they haven’t stumped him, please direct us to his no-doubt substantial response.
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Well, considering WLC has addressed this topic in the past we can be assured he is not stumped and Paul is trolling people looking for recognition. Why else continually make these tweets public
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‘please direct us to his no-doubt substantial response’.
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I did, above.
But since you want substantial, how about you give us something substantial. All you’ve done is quite a passage and give a one line conclusion. No exegesis. C’mon Bilal, what are you afraid of?
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Here goes…
The Gospel of Mark chapter 13.
Here is the relevant passage. See how Jesus foretells the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs.
Then we read in Mark 13 verses 24-26:
‘But in those days, after that suffering,
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
Verse 30 has Jesus tell his disciples when all these things will take place:
“I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place”
ALL THESE THINGS: the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs and the return of the Son of man in clouds with great power and glory.
The Jesus of the gospels makes a colossal prophetic error. All these things have not yet taken place: The End did not occur within the generation then living in the first century.
The Destruction of the Temple Foretold
13 As he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, ‘Look, Teacher, what large stones and what large buildings!’ 2 Then Jesus asked him, ‘Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.’
3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately, 4 ‘Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign that all these things are about to be accomplished?’ 5 Then Jesus began to say to them, ‘Beware that no one leads you astray. 6 Many will come in my name and say, “I am he!” and they will lead many astray. 7 When you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be alarmed; this must take place, but the end is still to come. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. This is but the beginning of the birth pangs.
Persecution Foretold
9 ‘As for yourselves, beware; for they will hand you over to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings because of me, as a testimony to them. 10 And the good news[b] must first be proclaimed to all nations. 11 When they bring you to trial and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say; but say whatever is given you at that time, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
The Desolating Sacrilege
14 ‘But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 15 someone on the housetop must not go down or enter the house to take anything away; 16 someone in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 17 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 18 Pray that it may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, no, and never will be. 20 And if the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he has cut short those days. 21 And if anyone says to you at that time, “Look! Here is the Messiah!” or “Look! There he is!”—do not believe it. 22 False messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But be alert; I have already told you everything.
The Coming of the Son of Man
24 ‘But in those days, after that suffering,
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light,
25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
The Lesson of the Fig Tree
28 ‘From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
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Oops, so the Christian explanation doesn’t hold water! What a shock! So, Cerbie and Coco are in denial about their god’s inability to know the future. Poor, poor losers…
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Another Muslim big on conclusions and small on evidence. Oops, looks like the Muslim objection doesn’t hold water!
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Another Christian in denial about his god’s inability to tell the future and unable to do anything about it other than make laughable comments! Oops, Christianity is proven wrong again!
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I have always wondered why Paul told people that they could get married but that the “time is short” and it was better not to. What else could this have meant other than “the end is near, so don’t worry about getting married but rather watch for the end…”
“What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:29-31)
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Proper interpretation of I Cor. 7:29-31 in context.
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/1831/reasons-for-remaining-single-part-1-because-of-the-world
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What a pathetic response! Paul was very clear here. Time is short. Therefore, whatever your current situation is, don’t change it! It could not be clearer, but because it would be embarrassing to admit that he was wrong about the end coming soon, the Christians go to great lengths to say that “well, you have to look at the context”. But the context is clear: the world is passing away and the time is short.
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Jesus always spoke the Truth.
Mark 13 and Matthew 24 explained. Double meaning; 70 AD and until “that day” (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 – “but of that day” – different than the 70 AD events) = end; second coming
https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/jesus-always-spoke-the-truth/
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The Jesus of the gospels made big mistakes, made racist comments etc.
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No; Jesus was testing the disciple’s inherent racism, after He taught them where hatred and racism starts – in pride and arrogance in the heart – Mark 7:20-23 comes before Mark 7:24-30 (the encounter with the Canaanite woman).
If you study academically and intellectually and see the context, historical background, etc. you should see this.
and no; there are no mistakes or contradictions, just apparent ones that with study and thought, there are good answers to them all.
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in my experience there are many contradictions, acknowledged by top bible scholars, that are not resolvable without implausible mental gymnastics.
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All reputable scholars agree that John 1:1 teaches that Jesus is God by nature/substance; which you agreed with in 2012. Intelligence, grammar, logic, reason, context, intellectual integrity shows there is no contradictions and no implausible mental gymnastics.
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2012/01/muslim-agrees-with-greek-of-john-11.html
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I schooled you on this earlier this year Ken. John 1:1 can mean the word was a god.
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No, it cannot mean that, because of the grammatical issue of the predicate nominative, and the word order.
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Also, there is only one God. John 17:3-5
John 1:1 cannot contradict John 17:3-5; therefore it means God by substance/nature/essence, but not by person, since the 2nd clause “The Word was with God” = the Word was with the Father, 2 persons of the 3 person Trinity. It was the texts themselves that demonstrated the doctrine of the Trinity.
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He should have known better
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Ken,
Whatever big effort you do to avoid John17:3, it does not work, so save your time.
That verse is a sharp sword on the neck of your man made religion.
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Ken you are wrong. John 1:1 can mean ‘the word was a god’.
Here is an expert opinion:
The third clause of John 1:1 may be translated as either “the word was God” or “the word was a god.”
AY Collins (Professor of New Testament Criticism and Interpretation at Yale University) in King and Messiah as Son of God, Divine, Human, and Angelic Messianic Figures in Biblical and Related Literature, p. 175.
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Life has been busy; that’s why I have not commented in a while.
I have that book (King and Messiah as Son of God, by A.Y. Collins and John J. Collins), and re-read those pages and surrounding context. The big problem is that the authors, Collins and Collins – they did not analyze at all the grammar of John 1:1c – they did not mention the predicate nominative issue, nor the word order issue. If they were “experts” (as you like to tout) in Greek and grammar and exegesis – those issues would demonstrate that the only legitimate way to translate John 1:1c is “and the word was God”. By avoiding the grammatical details, they are able to sneak in “may be translated” – but it is a very bad translation, as modern day Jehovah’s Witnesses do, with a little knowledge of Greek, but not a deep or accurate knowledge of Greek. – this is surprising, because Collins and Collins should know better, because besides this mistake, they are scholars; but they obviously are not infallible by this very basic error they have made. No credible scholar has done this before; only the goofy founders of the Jehovah’s Witness cult. They ignored the grammar and exegesis in context and jumped to a phrase in Justin Martyr (“Another God”). But if one goes back and studies those passages in Justin Martyr and Henry Chadwick’s comment also ( in Collins and Collins footnote 4 on page 176), Justin Martyr did not mean “another God” as if there are two Gods, he means another person who is also called “God” and “Lord” and illustrates by fire being able to start another fire on another torch, but both have the same nature/substance. (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 127-128, 129, which Collins and Collins noted in their footnote.) Justin also quotes a lot of OT texts that point to the Word / Fire , etc. as the pre-incarnate Christ – as in Genesis 18, Isaiah 7:14 (also, not in Dialogue with Trypho, but in many other places in Justin Martyr’s works – Word became flesh, born of a Virgin), and Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 45:6-7 (quoted in Hebrews 1:8 – “of the Son, it says, “Thy Throne, O God . . . ” So Justin Martyr, properly understood, shows the distinction between Nature (the Father and the Son and Spirit having the same nature as One God) and person – the number of 2 (Father and Son) and 3 (Father, Son, and Spirit) – shows that Justin understood that distinction of “one God by nature/substance and three in persons”. So the phrase means “another person who is also called “God”; rather than 2 or 3 Gods, as in polytheism.
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oops; typo
Isaiah 7:14 (also, not ONLY in Dialogue with Trypho, but in many other places in Justin Martyr’s works – Word became flesh, born of a Virgin)
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