I invited Bob to discuss the death and resurrection of Jesus in the New Testament.
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“Sorry, I cannot base my faith on a vision that no ales can see”
So ironically says the Muslim who staunchly believes Muhammad received revelations from an angel that nobody else witnessed.
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Spot on.
Islamic polemics quite often falsifies Islam 😂😂
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One problem – Muhammad (sws) is a Prophet of God…….while Saul of Tarsus is not.
Islamic polemics quite often falsifies Samaritan and Paulus.
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There are authentic hadith were companions of Muhammad saw and heard Gabriel, the agent of Revelation
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Those Hadith are probably not meant to be taken literally 😂😂
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Ibn Issam,
“One problem – Muhammad (sws) is a Prophet of God…”
You’d have to be either indoctrinated into Islam from a young age or a complete idiot to genuinely believe that.
Or in your case, Ibn Issam, probably both.
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Samaritan,
Like Bob the builder your ad hominem attack does not help your case.
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Sam, the concept of prophethood is not based on visions, btw. You need to study the Islamic belief about this subject.
The question though is why your false prophet Paul did not confront the true Jesus’ disciples by that vision? He did not do that ever. Why did not he say to them I’ve been chosen before I was born, and you are nothing for me? He was dealing with them with 2 faces. He’s like the chicken in front of them, yet he kept insulting them through his letters to the pagan cities of Rome? Isn’t that interesting?
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Don’t worry about Bad Samaritan and Cerbie, brother. They’re full of hot air. They will thump their chests for a while, get embarrassed, run away, and then reappear on a different topic.
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The blockage from seeing the truth is the fundamental attitude.
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building on sand
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Overall it was a good dialogue, except for Bob’s repeated ad hominem attacks.
However, instead of dealing directly with the issues that Paul Williams raises, Bob prefers to question or misportray Paul’s methodology of (Muslim) biblical critique; deflect back to Islam; or just responds with traditional orthodox church beliefs, neither of which is very convincing.
The last exchange relating to the rich man in Mark 10 is indicative of Bob’s (un)Biblical approach and his own selective understanding of Biblical scripture, intentionally leaving out a verse that contradicts is belief and reading the Church dogma into the text.
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I mean any sincere christian would see that the core teaching of Jesus was not about his death and his resurrection. It’s so obvious and clear. Also, it’s backed by NT scholars, so why would they waste our and their time with this kind of fundamental presentation? I’ve not seen any christian who is sincere when he is debating muslims. They lie to themselves before they lie to us.
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Christians refusing to tell it like it is …
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Bob the potato gets owned as usual.
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The most pressing question is this ; is Bod a tourist ?
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Bob’s backpack would indicate that yes, he is a tourist.
Or maybe he just packed his things to make a quick exit from the country after losing the debate.
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“Islamic polemics quite often falsifies Islam”
Paulus,
LOL dude there is no way this Paul Williams guy sincerely believes Islam to be true. He’s just an antichrist with a major axe to grind. In fact most of the Muslims here deep down know Islam is bs.
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I think you are right. He was shoved into the spotlight as a convert before he even understood what he was defending. He apostatised, returned and now continually shows a lack of understanding.
It’s dangerous- people like him are fine fodder for extremist ideology which he has slowly exposed as sympathetic toward over the past few years
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what ‘extremist ideology’ have I been promoting Paulus?
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” In fact most of the Muslims here deep down know Islam is bs.”
You still tell yourself this. You probably say this to yourself and then add to that ‘jesus love me, sweet jesus’.
In fact ALL Muslims here know crosstianity is BS. We have slapped your cult around many times and it’s so easy to do it’s just pathetic.
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LOL brother, isn’t it amazing how these clowns seem to have psychological insight into the minds of Muslims? Maybe it’s self-projection and maybe these clowns know deep down that Christianity is a farce and no reasonable person would believe in it.
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Bilal’s closing statement:
“If you wanna follow Jesus you must follow Muhammad”
Bilal’s logic:
Reject the the holy sinless lamb of God who layed down his life for you and receive Muhammad a sinner who contradicted the sinless Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, and who had sex with a child, enslaved people, ethnically cleansed a group who were just trying to defend themselves, mercilessly had his critics assassinated and spread his cult mostly through forced conversion by way of rape, pillaging and conquest.
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‘the holy sinless lamb of God’
I’ve got news for you dude. Jesus was not a four legged farm yard animal. He was a bloke who walked on two legs. In a word, a man not a sheep.
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I’ve got news for you, dude. Your Muhammad was nothing more than a wolf in wolf’s clothing.
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I reject with open mouth to wroship a human being who used to fear and worship his own God.
I reject to worship a god who dies. My God does not die. He’s everlasting!
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so now we have established that Jesus was not in fact a sheep but a human being, we must acknowledge that human sacrifice is specifically prohibited by God in the Jewish Bible. Any religion based on this evil practice is not from God.
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Bilal,
The only thing that’s been established is that you have very little clue on Christian theology. Islamic theology too for that matter.
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it is true that my ignorance in both subjects is vast. I am aware of that.
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LOL, notice how Bad Samaritan can do nothing in response except to deflect. Sammie, why don’t you refute brother Paul? Jesus was a human being. Human sacrifice was prohibited by Yahweh. Looks like you got owned as usual and your only recourse is to make laughable comments. I’ll take your comments over a comedy club any day!
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I love that a clear metaphor Bilal interprets literally but suddenly when Muhammad is thinking about burning people’s homes down it is not literal and hyperbole 😂😂
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Samaritan
You said;
Reject the the holy sinless lamb of God who layed down his life for you and receive Muhammad a sinner who contradicted the sinless Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, and who had sex with a child, enslaved people, ethnically cleansed a group who were just trying to defend themselves, mercilessly had his critics assassinated and spread his cult mostly through forced conversion by way of rape, pillaging and conquest.
I say;
What is wrong with you? “Sinless lamb of God” who is God himself. Where have you ever seen that absurdity? This stupid upsurdity and you are not ashamed of mentioning that. Do you think we do not have brain like you?
How can God die and be buried? Do not tell us that nonsense of God Man unless you believe in the possibility of Hindu cow God, Monkey God, Elephant God, God Man etc. Enough of that God Man nonsense. We do not believe in God Man. God is always God and Man is always man. God Man is not a man or God but a hybrid creature.
Where did you learn that “sinless man” can atone for a sin? Except you learn that pagan concept from Greek/Roman tradition which used to sacrifice babies for their Gods believing the baby is sinless and can atone for their sins. The Jews never sacrifice human beings for their sins. It is not in their Bible. They do not believe in such nonsense. Why do you believe we will accept such nonsense?
Thanks.
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Deep down Sama know crosstianity is, at best, a joke.
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knows*
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Indeed, unless of course Bad Samaritan is a 5 year old. Only a 5 year old would sincerely believe that Christianity is anything other than a joke!
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Their hatefulness is probably due to inhabitation by their god’s “ouasis”. At least in Bob’s case.
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Assalamualaikum Paul. There is one point I would like to bring to your learned consideration. This being that I don’t think in the final analysis there is a contradiction between what most Muslim believe about the crucifixion of Jesus (upon him be peace) and what secular historians say. If it is indeed the case that God had a providential hand in making it appear as if Jesus was crucified, then it must really have seemed as if this happened. The Muslim case is thus a theological one – about what God miraculously did, immaterial of how it appeared to the world. The secular historian, however, establishes his/her case only on the basis of how things appear, immaterial of theology. To put this in another way, the theology of a miraculous rescue and a simulacrum of the crucifixion is consistent with the secular claim that Jesus was crucified. I would even venture to say that had secular historians been able, centuries after the event, to prove that Jesus was not crucified, this would be more problematic for the Quranic view: as it would imply, that God did not do, as it were, do a good job of effecting the simulacrum of the crucifixion. So as counter-intuitive as it might seem, the Muslim may in good faith accept the view of the secular historian as historically right [if not ultimately right] in making the judgement he is making.
Do you catch my drift?
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I do catch your interesting drift and agree with you completely.
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