“Sure, but where is that command found? In the Torah which the Koran says they have. The Koran affirms the Torah pal”
LOL! I call the five 5 books also the Torah because that’s the name that is commonly used and yet I (as 1.8 billion Muslims) don’t think it’s the original Torah. The book of Enoch is not really the book of Enoch but yet it is called that way. So your point is void as usual and you know it.
We have authentic statements from the Prophet (saw) where he explicitly says that the Taurat has been been done away with and the people are following a different book instead.
You tried to be clever (by deflecting to the Quran and not able to answer the stuff of nightmares found in your book) but failed as you always do.
And btw all Muslims believe the Quran affirms the Torah (and the Injeel too, not bible). You tried to make an argument about ‘preservation’ but you mention affirmation.
Can you at least use proper terminology?
It is a prophesy of the future AFTER the Israelites sinned with idolatry and paganism, adulteries, etc. – the judgement was that The Lord would let another nation conquer them in war and that would be the consequences of sin and rebellion.
Go back earlier for the proper context; Deut. 28:45 ff
45 “So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 They shall become a sign and a wonder on you and your [ad]descendants forever.
47 “Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and a glad heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in the lack of all things; and He will put an iron yoke on your neck until He has destroyed you.
49 “The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as the eagle swoops down, a nation whose language you shall not understand,
That surely sounds like a very good explantion Mr Temple! The lord will make your enemies conquer and snatch your lands. He will inflict you with hunger so much that you will make berbecues out of your children. Quite a lot of nice threats from Yhwh indeed. Hardly any wonder Richard Dawkins called him a monster.
Islamic doctrine of Allah’s Sovereignty over all things, predetermining all things ( Qadar قدر , Jabr جبر (force, compulsion, irresistable power, etc. – also “Algebra” – plugging in the right numbers ALWAYS results in the same results), مشیت (will, decree – where Ensha’allah comes from) Tadbir تدبیر ( providence, plan, design, management, strategy) – all of these concepts show Islam teaches basically the same things that Richard Dawkins would call Allah in Islam a monster also.
Predestination in the Creed of al-Tahawi
The following excerpts are taken from Muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf’s translation of The Creed of Imam Al-Tahawi (Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah), published by Zaytuna Institute, 2007 . The creed is a summary of orthodox Islamic beliefs written by a renowned Muslim jurist named Imam Abu Ja’far al-Tahawi (853–933 AD). It has long been recognized as one of the most accurate descriptions of the essentials of the Muslim faith.
7. Nothing will be except what He wills. Pg. 50
20. He measured out the lots [of all He created].
21. He determined the spans of their lives.
22. None of their actions were concealed from Him before He created them. He knew what they would do before He created them.
23. He commanded them to obey Him and proscribed them from disobeying Him.
24. All things are in accordance with His determination and will, and His will is fulfilled.
25. His servants are without volition except what He wills for them. Thus, what He wills for them will be, and what He does not will for them will not be.
26. He guides, protects, and preserves whomever He wills by grace. And He misguides, forsakes, and afflicts whomever He wills by justice. Pg. 52
52. God has always known the total number of those who will enter Paradise and those who will enter the Fire. Nothing is added to or subtracted from that number.
53. His knowledge includes all of their actions, which He knew they would perform.
54. “Each is facilitated to do that for which he was created.” Pg. 58
56. Those saved are ultimately saved by God’s decision, just as those damned are ultimately damned by God’s decision.
57. The essence of the divine decree is God’s secret within creation. No intimate angel or prophetic emissary has ever been privy to it.
58. Delving into the decree is a means to a spiritual loss, a descent into deprivation, and a path toward transgression. So beware, and take every precaution against that, whether through perusal, ideation, or suggestion. God, the Sublime and Exalted, has concealed knowledge of the decree from His creatures and has prohibited them from desiring it. As the Sublime said in His Book, He is not questioned about what He does–it is they who will be questioned (21:23). Hence, anyone who asks, “Why has He done this?” has rejected the judgment of the Book. And whoever rejects the judgment of the Book is among the disbelievers. Pg. 60
63. A servant of God is obliged to know that God’s omniscience preceded everything in His creation. He then measured everything out exactly and decisively. There is none among His creatures either in the heavens or on the earth who can nullify, overrule, remove, change, detract from, or add to His decree.
64. All of the aforementioned is part of the doctrine of faith, the principles of knowledge, and the assent of His unity and sovereignty as God, the Sublime and Exalted, said in His Book, And He created every thing and determined its measure (25:2). And He, the Sublime and Exalted, also said, And the command of God is an ordained decree (33:38). Pg. 62
God, the Sublime and Exalted, created Paradise and the Fire before creating [the world]. He then created denizens for both abodes. He admits to Paradise whomever he wills by His grace and condemns to the Fire whomever He wills by His justice. Pg. 72
107. Human actions are God’s creation but humanity’s acquisitions.
108. God, the Sublime and Exalted, has only obliged human beings to do what they are capable of doing, and they are only capable of doing what He obliged them to do – hence the meaning of “No strength or power exists save by means of God.” We assert that no one’s strategy, move, or change can avert anyone from any act of disobedience to God, unless accompanied by God’s providence; nor has anyone the ability to initiate or fulfill duties to God save by the providence of God, the Sublime and Exalted. Pg. 74
Ah the typical pagan polemics. Copy and paste the internet as a response despite having no explanation or concordance with what it’s meant to be replying to.
The Lord Your God = יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ
Yahweh Elohi-Qa (Qa at the end means “your”)
The one true God of Israel as revealed in the OT – same in Deuteronomy 6:4-5
יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ
Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
The New Testament reveals that the eternal Son was always with the Father and the Holy Spirit was always with the Father, which points to the doctrine of the Trinity – One God by substance/essence/nature, in three persons. (John 17:5; Genesis 1:1-3; John 1:1-5; John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:3, 6, 8, 10-12)
But of the Son, it says, “Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . ” Hebrews 1:8
no; no holes.
2 Kings 6:28-29 – in the Syrian / Aramaean invasion of Israel.
Isaiah 28:11 and 33:19 – in the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions and wars and captivities. Jeremiah 19:9; Lamentations 2:20; 4:10; Ezekiel 5:10)
Also, Josephus records that this also happened when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem and they ran out of food. ( 66-70 AD) It was a judgment on Israel’s rebellion and unbelief.
That is a famous passage. (Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Book 5, chapter 10:1-3; or Book 5, 420-438.
So the Deuteronomy passage is a warning against rebellion, paganism, idolatry, adulteries, etc. It is talking about the results of rebellion as a warning.
The New Testament reveals that the eternal Son was always with the Father and the Holy Spirit was always with the Father, which points to the doctrine of the Trinity – One God by substance/essence/nature, in three persons. (John 17:5; Genesis 1:1-3; John 1:1-5; John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:3, 6, 8, 10-12)
I say;
“The Son was always with the Father”-Ken Temple.
The Son is Eternal.
The Father is Eternal.
The Son is not the Father.
The Father is not the Son.
But,
The is Son is a Being by Himself.
The Father is a Being by Himself.
So,
2 Beings at this point. You worship 2 beings and that is polytheism.
Mark 14:6-64 – the high priest knew the OT taught that Messiah is the same as the Son of God. = “same nature/ essence” = homo-ousias. The Holy Spirit is a person – “when He has come”, etc. “the Holy Spirit says”, etc. “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit” (Ephesians 4:30) One cannot like to an action. (Acts 5:3-5) – they lied to a person.
So you are wrong.
‘Son of God’ Adam is called that in Luke 3:38. David is called that in Psalm 2:7. Also in 1 Samuel 7:14. Israel is called Son in Hosea 11:1. And in numerous other places in the OT.
There are many messiahs in the OT. One is a gentile by the name of Cyrus: Isaiah 45:1.
Actually, there are still holes. Isaiah 28 is only referring to the siege of Samaria. The rest all make similar threats as Deut. 28.
Also, Deut. 28 and Ezekiel 5 both say that the reason for the punishment is because the Israelites did not follow God’s law! But you Christians insist that the law has been abolished! No wonder there was such a controversy in the early church between the Jewish-Christians and the Gentiles. The Jews were so frightened at the idea of turning their backs on the law!
Also, when did this happen to the Israelites:
“The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”
The holes are still there, and will never be filled.
It says the enmity / hostility/ hatred (barriers that keep them separated) of some laws was abolished (katargaesas, from katargeo καταργεω = to make void, to render powerless, to nullify), not the law itself. Only the parts of the law that set up barriers between the Jews and Gentiles and culture are nullified, thereby making peace and unity with Jews and Gentiles. (like food laws – Mark 7:19; Acts 10-11; Acts 15). You have to read the whole paragraph and context. He is talking about how the Lord and the work of atonement on the cross brings the Jews and Gentiles together in peace and unity into the church and that there is no more barriers or cultural laws like food that separate them from having fellowship and equality in the church.
Ephesians 2:11-22
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—
12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.
17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near;
18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
‘Jesus said the Jewish law was still very much in force for his disciples in the kingdom of God:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5.
The apostate Paul disagreed with Jesus when he wrote that the jewish law was “abolished” thus proving he was a fake apostle:
‘He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances, so that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two’
Ken, hello there, did you see my replies mate? The app has bugs sometimes, you won’t get notifications that i replied and you won’t even see me in the recent comments section…that’s why i’m asking…
Ken Temple
November 29, 2017 • 8:52 pm
no; the Father and the Son are 2 persons in One God.
with the Holy Spirit, 3 persons in One God
I say;
You mean;
The Father is not a Being?
The Son is not a Being?
Please answer me if Christianity is right. If I do not see your answer, then Christianity is wrong? Do not play any word gymnastics. Just answer my questions.
Every kindergarten kid knows that, every person is also a being. If your agree Jesus Christ is not being or he is a beingless person then we will ask another question. Is Jesus Christ not a being? It is blaspheme to say the Father(God) is not a being. One has to repent from that blaspheme.
You said;
Ken Temple
November 30, 2017 • 4:15 pm
No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures
I say;
Let’s not conceal truth and propagate untruth my dear Very Revered. Jesus Christ will not be happy with the one who conceal truth and propagate lies.
Why is your statement untrue?
-Jesus has 2 natures. Natures are not human beings or divine being. So, the correct assumptions is that Jesus has human person and divine person in his one person because a nature cannot be considered as 100% human being or 100% divine being.
A Hindu can also say his cow got, monkey got etc. have 2 natures. Will you accept the possibility? You accuse Mother Theresa for saying Hindus God is God but just like you they believed their god is one person with 2 natures.
What is nature?
2. The basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as characteristic of it.
“helping them to realize the nature of their problems”
synonyms: essence, inherent/basic/essential qualities, inherent/basic/essential features, character, complexion
“such crimes are, by their very nature, difficult to hide”
kind, sort, type, variety, category, ilk, class, species, genre, style, cast, order, kidney, mold, stamp, stripe
“experiments of a similar nature”
Ken Temple
November 30, 2017 • 4:15 pm
No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures
I say;
Just like Hindu Cow God has 2 natures. You believed God can become a flesh and has 2 natures. Why then blame Mother Theresa for saying Hindu God is God?
You did not answer my question whether Jesus is a being or not. Is the Father a being or not? If you conceal the truth and keep repeating “Jesus is one person with 2 natures” statement which is not in the Bible, you are concealing the truth and propagating untruth. Jesus Christ will not be happy with you when you constantly conceal the truth. That is a sin by itself. You do not have to lie or to sin or to conceal the truth in order to worship Jesus Christ.
A Muslim will tell the truth like;
Allah is a divine Being.
Jesus is a human being.
Solomon i.e. Suleiman has a divine nature because Solomon according to Quran commanded and change the direction of wind which only God can do. Solomon commanded and control Jinns/Demons that Jesus cast out of humans.
Solomon knows what all creatures are saying which is exclusive to God. It is in the Quran. No Muslim will say because of that, Solomon is God.
Yes, Jesus walk on water, raise the dead etc. and God gave them(prophets) the authority to do that, so that will not make the Gods.
The army commanding officer is the commander and is the sole commander but sometimes he authorizes his second in command 2IC to command just like how the commanding officer himself will command. Does that make the second in command officer to be the commanding officer? No.
Jesus raise the dead and so what?
Solomon changes the direction of wind, water etc. as he wish. Do you call Solomon God? If not why? Double standard.
Adam does not have mother or Father and was called the Son of God. Do you call him God?
No wonder Christianity has its roots from Greek/Roman Gods that came to the earth to love. Without coming to earth their God cannot love.
“It says the enmity / hostility/ hatred (barriers that keep them separated) of some laws was abolished (katargaesas, from katargeo καταργεω = to make void, to render powerless, to nullify), not the law itself. Only the parts of the law that set up barriers between the Jews and Gentiles and culture are nullified, thereby making peace and unity with Jews and Gentiles. (like food laws – Mark 7:19; Acts 10-11; Acts 15).”
Oh, so that means you still believe in stoning an adulterer? How does that cause “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles?
And again, why would the Jewish-Christians have given up following the dietary laws when God was issued such a frightening threat if they did not follow those laws?
Circumcision also caused emnity between Jew and Gentile.
James abrrogated the law of circumcision as a universal condition of entering in to the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant and agreed with Paul on this.
Madman, you are also lying. First of all, circumcision is a highly recommended sunna in Islam, but it is not required. Some schools do believe it is required, but most regard it as a recommended act, and not obligatory.
Second, like your buddy Kenny (who not surprisingly has run away), you need to answer the question I asked before. If only those laws which caused “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles were “abolished”, then what is the status of all the other laws, such as stoning for adultery. The warnings in Deuteronomy and Ezekiel stated that as long as the Israelites followed God’s laws, they were safe from His curses. Answer the question, and don’t run away.
“(2) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Abraham did his circumcision with an adze at the age of eighty.” (Book #55, Hadith #575)
(3) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short.” (Book #72, Hadith #777)
(4) Narrated Abu Huraira : I heard the Prophet saying. “Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits.” (Book #72, Hadith #779)
Faiz you are the liar.
Hadiths are only hearsay anyway. Makes no difference to me whether or not Sharia commands circumcision for men. Just sad for women that your claimed prophet approved the practice for women, against the law of Moses:
(1) Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Book #41, Hadith #5251)
Deut 14 v 1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. 2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
” then what is the status of all the other laws, such as stoning for adultery.”
I believe they are unchanged. Stoning is not necessary. This was so the community could take part in the punishment.
Does this mean a secular government should be overthrown if they don’t implement these laws? Off topic.
LOL, madman you stupid idiot! Do you think I give a crap about your opinions about what Islam teaches? It is a the majority view among Islamic scholars that circumcision is a highly recommended sunnah and not obligatory. Of course, circumcision has health benefits so it is always a good idea to get it done. And since it was done by all the prophets, it is better to do it. But again, it is not required. Get over it, stupid. Stop making a fool of yourself.
“I believe they are unchanged. Stoning is not necessary. This was so the community could take part in the punishment.
Does this mean a secular government should be overthrown if they don’t implement these laws? Off topic.”
ROFTL!! Do you know what “doublespeak” is, moron? One the one hand, you say the adultery law is “unchanged”, but then you say that stoning is not “necessary”! Well, which is it? Is it “unchanged” or unnecessary?
Thank you for exposing your hypocrisy. Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of hell. As I have said before, you idiots simply pay lip-service to the law of God. You pick and choose what is convenient and leave anything that is inconvenient. Your fake piety will not fool the educated.
The conclusion is that the excuse you idiots use that only those laws which caused “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles were “abolished” is complete garbage.
What difference does it make? What other “deadly method” would you suggest?
Ding, ding, ding! There you have it folks! A Christian has admitted that the capital punishment laws of the Bible are still in effect, though the “method” can be changed! So death for adultery, is still required by Christianity. So, why aren’t Christians clamoring for the adoption of Biblical law in western countries? Have they been subdued and de-fanged by secularism?
” It is a the majority view among Islamic scholars that circumcision is a highly recommended sunnah and not obligatory. ”
You are just making up your own Islam now. Carry on the tradition. You are not the first and you won’t be the last. What happened to those unbreakable chains of transmission?
“So, why aren’t Christians clamoring for the adoption of Biblical law in western countries? Have they been subdued and de-fanged by secularism?”
Faiz you hypocrite. All you guys have to do is say “I divorce you” three times and jump in to bed with the next. Wife swapping is adultery. Secularism is the lesser of two evils.
Bwahahaha, changing subjects are we? That usually happens when Christian clowns have nothing to respond with.
Secularist societies are notorious for their loose sexual mores. Fornication, adultery, homosexuality etc. are all allowed. As a Christian, you should be opposed to secularism, not for it. Even if it was the “lesser of two evils”, you are essentially admitting that you are supporting evil! Well done, madman!
I ask again. Why are your not clamoring for replacing secularism with Biblical law? Why are you such a hypocrite?
Having sex slaves is also adulterous. Muslim men messing with little girls is a loose sexual more. Polygamy is also a way of committing adultery. Muslim men annulling marriage by recitation encourages adultery.
Secularism has fortunately resisted these virtues of Islam.
I can resist the bad parts of secularism peacefully by democratic means.
You keep trying to change topics, idiot. Since you have already admitted that the Biblical laws are still in effect, except for the ones that cause “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles, then I am sure you are fully aware that killing and enslaving people is allowed by your Bible.
But back to the adultery law. Secularism encourages adultery, stupid. Get your head out of your rear-end. You can “resist”, you say? How’s than going for you? The last time I checked, western societies are becoming more secular, not less. The number of atheists is rising and Christianity is dying a slow death. Face it, madman. You are a hypocrite. You only pay lip-service to the laws of God. You don’t worship God. You worship secularism.
WOW!!! Did I just read that? On what basis are you picking and choosing which law to follow? You keep proving over and over that you are nothing but a hypocrite.
What is so “tricky” about witchcraft? The Bible says it is a capital offense. On what basis are you saying that it is “not a crime” any more? Do you think that Jesus would be okay with practicing black magic?
If you believe that homosexuals should be killed, why aren’t you opposing the liberal laws in the western world? Do you protest like the Westboro Baptist church, holding up signs like “God hates fags”? Or how about “Kill all homosexuals”?
Islam abrogated some of the previous laws. The Sabbath law was for the Israelites only. In Islam, Friday prayers are required but Muslims do not have to rest and abstain from work the entire day. The Quran makes this clear.
On what basis are you arguing that witchcraft is no longer a crime? Provide evidence from your scripture. Answer the question.
But where is your evidence? Why are you making things up about your scripture without evidence?
Are you seriously claiming that witchcraft is allowed for Christians? Are you really that stupid? Think before you write, madman. You are making a fool of yourself.
Are you seriously claiming that sabbath-breaking is allowed for Muslims? Are you really that stupid? Think before you write, madman. You are making a fool of yourself.
There’s only one explanation for why madman is pro-witchcraft and will not provide scriptural evidence for why he thinks it is not a crime anymore. He’s a witch! Are you Satan’s new bride, madman?
Oh, what a calamitous dichotomy!! What is one to do!? On the one hand, if I try the erroneous “Quran affirms it” approach with no proof whatsoever I still have the issue that by definition then I must be affirming the Quran (hopefully no one notices that). On the other hand, if I say anything else it shows that I refute what is clearly an abhorrent mess that I call my doctrine. But wait! All is surely not lost as if I can delude myself as other pagan paulians have done for hundreds of years about the trinity farse then surely I can find a way to square this circle as well!! Yes, thats it, I can feel satan the holy spirit fill me now and we can work together to refute these monotheists!!
There is record of two encounters with sorcerers in Acts. In both cases judgement was left in the hands of God:
Acts 8 v 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
On Cyprus
Acts 13 v 4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus. 5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister. 6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus: 7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. 9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
This was in the Roman empire, where Christians had no political or legal authority. So, even if they wanted to, they could have never killed adulterers, homosexuals or sorcerers. But you actually disproved your own claim that witchcraft is no longer a crime! If it wasn’t a crime, then why were the sorcerers urged to repent?
So I ask you again. On what basis are you claiming that witchcraft is no longer a crime?
They were urged to repent because although witchcraft is no longer a crime it is still a sin. Not all sins are crimes but all crimes are sins.
“This was in the Roman empire, where Christians had no political or legal authority. So, even if they wanted to, they could have never killed adulterers, homosexuals or sorcerers. ”
What humans could do is not the point. God punished himself with a temporary punishment, not by killing the sorcerer. Thus the law of capital punishment was abrogated.
You are so full of crap! Why do you keep inserting your own opinions into your scripture? The scripture is clear that sorcerers are to be put to death, just like adulterers and homosexuals. The Christians could not apply these laws in the Roman empire, because they had no legal authority. Your hypocrisy is showing yet again.
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Joel: So so so so duuuuumb.
Samaritan: What’s your point? You think refuting xtianity makes Islam true?
Paulus: I like pie and Islam is false :p.
Ergo Islam refuted!
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“But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which is the command of God.”
Nah, the Koran refutes muhammadism by its affirmation of the Torah
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Nop. It was referring to the stoning which is still found in your comicbook.
Bitchslap!
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Sure, but where is that command found? In the Torah which the Koran says they have. The Koran affirms the Torah pal
“when they have the Torah”
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Lol, now that’s a deflection, Cerbie!
Cerbie: Cannibalism in the Bible? Well, the Quran affirms the Torah, so I don’t have to explain that.
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“Sure, but where is that command found? In the Torah which the Koran says they have. The Koran affirms the Torah pal”
LOL! I call the five 5 books also the Torah because that’s the name that is commonly used and yet I (as 1.8 billion Muslims) don’t think it’s the original Torah. The book of Enoch is not really the book of Enoch but yet it is called that way. So your point is void as usual and you know it.
We have authentic statements from the Prophet (saw) where he explicitly says that the Taurat has been been done away with and the people are following a different book instead.
You tried to be clever (by deflecting to the Quran and not able to answer the stuff of nightmares found in your book) but failed as you always do.
And btw all Muslims believe the Quran affirms the Torah (and the Injeel too, not bible). You tried to make an argument about ‘preservation’ but you mention affirmation.
Can you at least use proper terminology?
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So, so, so, so dumb.
The bible describes human depravity because humans are depraved – this is why we need redemption.
Islam enables, utilizes, and shapes human depravity to win converts and justify the depraved behaviour of your profit.
The clear difference is that Yahwe deplores human depravity, Allah commands it.
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why did your Jesus ordered the slaughter of women, children, babies and animals in 1 Samuel 15. Depravity at its worst.
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LOL, the same old Coco! Dance, monkey, dance!
What did you find out about menstruation? 😉
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It is a prophesy of the future AFTER the Israelites sinned with idolatry and paganism, adulteries, etc. – the judgement was that The Lord would let another nation conquer them in war and that would be the consequences of sin and rebellion.
Go back earlier for the proper context; Deut. 28:45 ff
45 “So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 They shall become a sign and a wonder on you and your [ad]descendants forever.
47 “Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and a glad heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in the lack of all things; and He will put an iron yoke on your neck until He has destroyed you.
49 “The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as the eagle swoops down, a nation whose language you shall not understand,
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That surely sounds like a very good explantion Mr Temple! The lord will make your enemies conquer and snatch your lands. He will inflict you with hunger so much that you will make berbecues out of your children. Quite a lot of nice threats from Yhwh indeed. Hardly any wonder Richard Dawkins called him a monster.
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Islamic doctrine of Allah’s Sovereignty over all things, predetermining all things ( Qadar قدر , Jabr جبر (force, compulsion, irresistable power, etc. – also “Algebra” – plugging in the right numbers ALWAYS results in the same results), مشیت (will, decree – where Ensha’allah comes from) Tadbir تدبیر ( providence, plan, design, management, strategy) – all of these concepts show Islam teaches basically the same things that Richard Dawkins would call Allah in Islam a monster also.
Predestination in the Creed of al-Tahawi
The following excerpts are taken from Muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf’s translation of The Creed of Imam Al-Tahawi (Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah), published by Zaytuna Institute, 2007 . The creed is a summary of orthodox Islamic beliefs written by a renowned Muslim jurist named Imam Abu Ja’far al-Tahawi (853–933 AD). It has long been recognized as one of the most accurate descriptions of the essentials of the Muslim faith.
7. Nothing will be except what He wills. Pg. 50
20. He measured out the lots [of all He created].
21. He determined the spans of their lives.
22. None of their actions were concealed from Him before He created them. He knew what they would do before He created them.
23. He commanded them to obey Him and proscribed them from disobeying Him.
24. All things are in accordance with His determination and will, and His will is fulfilled.
25. His servants are without volition except what He wills for them. Thus, what He wills for them will be, and what He does not will for them will not be.
26. He guides, protects, and preserves whomever He wills by grace. And He misguides, forsakes, and afflicts whomever He wills by justice. Pg. 52
52. God has always known the total number of those who will enter Paradise and those who will enter the Fire. Nothing is added to or subtracted from that number.
53. His knowledge includes all of their actions, which He knew they would perform.
54. “Each is facilitated to do that for which he was created.” Pg. 58
56. Those saved are ultimately saved by God’s decision, just as those damned are ultimately damned by God’s decision.
57. The essence of the divine decree is God’s secret within creation. No intimate angel or prophetic emissary has ever been privy to it.
58. Delving into the decree is a means to a spiritual loss, a descent into deprivation, and a path toward transgression. So beware, and take every precaution against that, whether through perusal, ideation, or suggestion. God, the Sublime and Exalted, has concealed knowledge of the decree from His creatures and has prohibited them from desiring it. As the Sublime said in His Book, He is not questioned about what He does–it is they who will be questioned (21:23). Hence, anyone who asks, “Why has He done this?” has rejected the judgment of the Book. And whoever rejects the judgment of the Book is among the disbelievers. Pg. 60
63. A servant of God is obliged to know that God’s omniscience preceded everything in His creation. He then measured everything out exactly and decisively. There is none among His creatures either in the heavens or on the earth who can nullify, overrule, remove, change, detract from, or add to His decree.
64. All of the aforementioned is part of the doctrine of faith, the principles of knowledge, and the assent of His unity and sovereignty as God, the Sublime and Exalted, said in His Book, And He created every thing and determined its measure (25:2). And He, the Sublime and Exalted, also said, And the command of God is an ordained decree (33:38). Pg. 62
God, the Sublime and Exalted, created Paradise and the Fire before creating [the world]. He then created denizens for both abodes. He admits to Paradise whomever he wills by His grace and condemns to the Fire whomever He wills by His justice. Pg. 72
107. Human actions are God’s creation but humanity’s acquisitions.
108. God, the Sublime and Exalted, has only obliged human beings to do what they are capable of doing, and they are only capable of doing what He obliged them to do – hence the meaning of “No strength or power exists save by means of God.” We assert that no one’s strategy, move, or change can avert anyone from any act of disobedience to God, unless accompanied by God’s providence; nor has anyone the ability to initiate or fulfill duties to God save by the providence of God, the Sublime and Exalted. Pg. 74
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Ah the typical pagan polemics. Copy and paste the internet as a response despite having no explanation or concordance with what it’s meant to be replying to.
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Who is this “Lord”?
Will I get an answer eventually or do you make another runner?
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The Lord Your God = יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ
Yahweh Elohi-Qa (Qa at the end means “your”)
The one true God of Israel as revealed in the OT – same in Deuteronomy 6:4-5
יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ
Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
The New Testament reveals that the eternal Son was always with the Father and the Holy Spirit was always with the Father, which points to the doctrine of the Trinity – One God by substance/essence/nature, in three persons. (John 17:5; Genesis 1:1-3; John 1:1-5; John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:3, 6, 8, 10-12)
But of the Son, it says, “Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . ” Hebrews 1:8
calls the Son, God.
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When exactly was this prophecy fulfilled? That’s the thing with your Bible. So many holes…
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no; no holes.
2 Kings 6:28-29 – in the Syrian / Aramaean invasion of Israel.
Isaiah 28:11 and 33:19 – in the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions and wars and captivities. Jeremiah 19:9; Lamentations 2:20; 4:10; Ezekiel 5:10)
Also, Josephus records that this also happened when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem and they ran out of food. ( 66-70 AD) It was a judgment on Israel’s rebellion and unbelief.
That is a famous passage. (Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Book 5, chapter 10:1-3; or Book 5, 420-438.
So the Deuteronomy passage is a warning against rebellion, paganism, idolatry, adulteries, etc. It is talking about the results of rebellion as a warning.
so, there is no holes.
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Also Josephus, Wars, 6:3-4
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The Very Reverend
The New Testament reveals that the eternal Son was always with the Father and the Holy Spirit was always with the Father, which points to the doctrine of the Trinity – One God by substance/essence/nature, in three persons. (John 17:5; Genesis 1:1-3; John 1:1-5; John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:3, 6, 8, 10-12)
I say;
“The Son was always with the Father”-Ken Temple.
The Son is Eternal.
The Father is Eternal.
The Son is not the Father.
The Father is not the Son.
But,
The is Son is a Being by Himself.
The Father is a Being by Himself.
So,
2 Beings at this point. You worship 2 beings and that is polytheism.
1. Watch.
2. Watch.
Thanks.
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no; the Father and the Son are 2 persons in One God.
with the Holy Spirit, 3 persons in One God.
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Father = God.
Son = messiah (like David also called ‘Son’)
Spirit = the action of God in the world as per numerous OT references.
So you are wrong.
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Mark 14:6-64 – the high priest knew the OT taught that Messiah is the same as the Son of God. = “same nature/ essence” = homo-ousias. The Holy Spirit is a person – “when He has come”, etc. “the Holy Spirit says”, etc. “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit” (Ephesians 4:30) One cannot like to an action. (Acts 5:3-5) – they lied to a person.
So you are wrong.
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‘Son of God’ Adam is called that in Luke 3:38. David is called that in Psalm 2:7. Also in 1 Samuel 7:14. Israel is called Son in Hosea 11:1. And in numerous other places in the OT.
There are many messiahs in the OT. One is a gentile by the name of Cyrus: Isaiah 45:1.
So you are wrong. Again.
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Actually, there are still holes. Isaiah 28 is only referring to the siege of Samaria. The rest all make similar threats as Deut. 28.
Also, Deut. 28 and Ezekiel 5 both say that the reason for the punishment is because the Israelites did not follow God’s law! But you Christians insist that the law has been abolished! No wonder there was such a controversy in the early church between the Jewish-Christians and the Gentiles. The Jews were so frightened at the idea of turning their backs on the law!
Also, when did this happen to the Israelites:
“The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”
The holes are still there, and will never be filled.
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we do not say that God’s law is abolished.
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Paul said the Jewish law had been abolished in Ephesians. This contradicts Matthew 5. So you’re wrong.
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It says the enmity / hostility/ hatred (barriers that keep them separated) of some laws was abolished (katargaesas, from katargeo καταργεω = to make void, to render powerless, to nullify), not the law itself. Only the parts of the law that set up barriers between the Jews and Gentiles and culture are nullified, thereby making peace and unity with Jews and Gentiles. (like food laws – Mark 7:19; Acts 10-11; Acts 15). You have to read the whole paragraph and context. He is talking about how the Lord and the work of atonement on the cross brings the Jews and Gentiles together in peace and unity into the church and that there is no more barriers or cultural laws like food that separate them from having fellowship and equality in the church.
Ephesians 2:11-22
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—
12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.
17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near;
18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
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‘Jesus said the Jewish law was still very much in force for his disciples in the kingdom of God:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5.
The apostate Paul disagreed with Jesus when he wrote that the jewish law was “abolished” thus proving he was a fake apostle:
‘He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances, so that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two’
Ephesians 2:15.
So you are wrong.
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Ken, hello there, did you see my replies mate? The app has bugs sometimes, you won’t get notifications that i replied and you won’t even see me in the recent comments section…that’s why i’m asking…
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Ken, i’m talking about another post in which you asked me some questions…
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Thank you for affirming unitarianism. YHWH is one (1) Lord.
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Ken Temple
November 29, 2017 • 8:52 pm
no; the Father and the Son are 2 persons in One God.
with the Holy Spirit, 3 persons in One God
I say;
You mean;
The Father is not a Being?
The Son is not a Being?
Please answer me if Christianity is right. If I do not see your answer, then Christianity is wrong? Do not play any word gymnastics. Just answer my questions.
Every kindergarten kid knows that, every person is also a being. If your agree Jesus Christ is not being or he is a beingless person then we will ask another question. Is Jesus Christ not a being? It is blaspheme to say the Father(God) is not a being. One has to repent from that blaspheme.
Thanks.
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Temple believes Jesus is two beings.
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No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures.
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The Most Reverend
You said;
Ken Temple
November 30, 2017 • 4:15 pm
No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures
I say;
Let’s not conceal truth and propagate untruth my dear Very Revered. Jesus Christ will not be happy with the one who conceal truth and propagate lies.
Why is your statement untrue?
-Jesus has 2 natures. Natures are not human beings or divine being. So, the correct assumptions is that Jesus has human person and divine person in his one person because a nature cannot be considered as 100% human being or 100% divine being.
A Hindu can also say his cow got, monkey got etc. have 2 natures. Will you accept the possibility? You accuse Mother Theresa for saying Hindus God is God but just like you they believed their god is one person with 2 natures.
What is nature?
2. The basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as characteristic of it.
“helping them to realize the nature of their problems”
synonyms: essence, inherent/basic/essential qualities, inherent/basic/essential features, character, complexion
“such crimes are, by their very nature, difficult to hide”
kind, sort, type, variety, category, ilk, class, species, genre, style, cast, order, kidney, mold, stamp, stripe
“experiments of a similar nature”
Source: https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+is+nature&rlz=1C1AVFC_enCA772CA772&oq=what+is+nature&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4432j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Dogs nature is to bark. One one has rabies, may God forbid anyone, he barks like a dog. Does that makes the person barking like a dog, do? NO.
Snakes nature is to bite. When a human bites which is a nature of snake to bite, makes that human a snake? No.
So, Jesus having divine nature does not merit him to be God.
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“No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures.”
I knew you would answer like that. One more proof revealing your true deceptive nature. I feel sorry for you.
Divine nature is the divine being and the human nature is the human being in case of Jesus.
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Ken Temple
November 30, 2017 • 4:15 pm
No; Jesus is one person with 2 natures
I say;
Just like Hindu Cow God has 2 natures. You believed God can become a flesh and has 2 natures. Why then blame Mother Theresa for saying Hindu God is God?
You did not answer my question whether Jesus is a being or not. Is the Father a being or not? If you conceal the truth and keep repeating “Jesus is one person with 2 natures” statement which is not in the Bible, you are concealing the truth and propagating untruth. Jesus Christ will not be happy with you when you constantly conceal the truth. That is a sin by itself. You do not have to lie or to sin or to conceal the truth in order to worship Jesus Christ.
A Muslim will tell the truth like;
Allah is a divine Being.
Jesus is a human being.
Solomon i.e. Suleiman has a divine nature because Solomon according to Quran commanded and change the direction of wind which only God can do. Solomon commanded and control Jinns/Demons that Jesus cast out of humans.
Solomon knows what all creatures are saying which is exclusive to God. It is in the Quran. No Muslim will say because of that, Solomon is God.
Yes, Jesus walk on water, raise the dead etc. and God gave them(prophets) the authority to do that, so that will not make the Gods.
The army commanding officer is the commander and is the sole commander but sometimes he authorizes his second in command 2IC to command just like how the commanding officer himself will command. Does that make the second in command officer to be the commanding officer? No.
Jesus raise the dead and so what?
Solomon changes the direction of wind, water etc. as he wish. Do you call Solomon God? If not why? Double standard.
Adam does not have mother or Father and was called the Son of God. Do you call him God?
No wonder Christianity has its roots from Greek/Roman Gods that came to the earth to love. Without coming to earth their God cannot love.
Thanks.
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Kenny, you’re lying again:
“we do not say that God’s law is abolished.”
Yet you don’t follow the law. End of story. Stop being dishonest for a change.
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Kenny is lying, part 2:
“It says the enmity / hostility/ hatred (barriers that keep them separated) of some laws was abolished (katargaesas, from katargeo καταργεω = to make void, to render powerless, to nullify), not the law itself. Only the parts of the law that set up barriers between the Jews and Gentiles and culture are nullified, thereby making peace and unity with Jews and Gentiles. (like food laws – Mark 7:19; Acts 10-11; Acts 15).”
Oh, so that means you still believe in stoning an adulterer? How does that cause “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles?
And again, why would the Jewish-Christians have given up following the dietary laws when God was issued such a frightening threat if they did not follow those laws?
And when did the Jews go back to Egypt?
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Circumcision also caused emnity between Jew and Gentile.
James abrrogated the law of circumcision as a universal condition of entering in to the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant and agreed with Paul on this.
Islam contradicts this.
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Madman, you are also lying. First of all, circumcision is a highly recommended sunna in Islam, but it is not required. Some schools do believe it is required, but most regard it as a recommended act, and not obligatory.
Second, like your buddy Kenny (who not surprisingly has run away), you need to answer the question I asked before. If only those laws which caused “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles were “abolished”, then what is the status of all the other laws, such as stoning for adultery. The warnings in Deuteronomy and Ezekiel stated that as long as the Israelites followed God’s laws, they were safe from His curses. Answer the question, and don’t run away.
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“(2) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Abraham did his circumcision with an adze at the age of eighty.” (Book #55, Hadith #575)
(3) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short.” (Book #72, Hadith #777)
(4) Narrated Abu Huraira : I heard the Prophet saying. “Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits.” (Book #72, Hadith #779)
Faiz you are the liar.
Hadiths are only hearsay anyway. Makes no difference to me whether or not Sharia commands circumcision for men. Just sad for women that your claimed prophet approved the practice for women, against the law of Moses:
(1) Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Book #41, Hadith #5251)
Deut 14 v 1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. 2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
” then what is the status of all the other laws, such as stoning for adultery.”
I believe they are unchanged. Stoning is not necessary. This was so the community could take part in the punishment.
Does this mean a secular government should be overthrown if they don’t implement these laws? Off topic.
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LOL, madman you stupid idiot! Do you think I give a crap about your opinions about what Islam teaches? It is a the majority view among Islamic scholars that circumcision is a highly recommended sunnah and not obligatory. Of course, circumcision has health benefits so it is always a good idea to get it done. And since it was done by all the prophets, it is better to do it. But again, it is not required. Get over it, stupid. Stop making a fool of yourself.
“I believe they are unchanged. Stoning is not necessary. This was so the community could take part in the punishment.
Does this mean a secular government should be overthrown if they don’t implement these laws? Off topic.”
ROFTL!! Do you know what “doublespeak” is, moron? One the one hand, you say the adultery law is “unchanged”, but then you say that stoning is not “necessary”! Well, which is it? Is it “unchanged” or unnecessary?
Thank you for exposing your hypocrisy. Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of hell. As I have said before, you idiots simply pay lip-service to the law of God. You pick and choose what is convenient and leave anything that is inconvenient. Your fake piety will not fool the educated.
The conclusion is that the excuse you idiots use that only those laws which caused “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles were “abolished” is complete garbage.
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You misunderstood me. I only meant it was not necessary as a particular method. Another deadly method of punishment would be ok.
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What difference does it make? What other “deadly method” would you suggest?
Ding, ding, ding! There you have it folks! A Christian has admitted that the capital punishment laws of the Bible are still in effect, though the “method” can be changed! So death for adultery, is still required by Christianity. So, why aren’t Christians clamoring for the adoption of Biblical law in western countries? Have they been subdued and de-fanged by secularism?
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” It is a the majority view among Islamic scholars that circumcision is a highly recommended sunnah and not obligatory. ”
You are just making up your own Islam now. Carry on the tradition. You are not the first and you won’t be the last. What happened to those unbreakable chains of transmission?
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And you are a moron who has no answers, so you just cling to your idiotic assumptions. So what else is new? LOL!!
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“So, why aren’t Christians clamoring for the adoption of Biblical law in western countries? Have they been subdued and de-fanged by secularism?”
Faiz you hypocrite. All you guys have to do is say “I divorce you” three times and jump in to bed with the next. Wife swapping is adultery. Secularism is the lesser of two evils.
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Bwahahaha, changing subjects are we? That usually happens when Christian clowns have nothing to respond with.
Secularist societies are notorious for their loose sexual mores. Fornication, adultery, homosexuality etc. are all allowed. As a Christian, you should be opposed to secularism, not for it. Even if it was the “lesser of two evils”, you are essentially admitting that you are supporting evil! Well done, madman!
I ask again. Why are your not clamoring for replacing secularism with Biblical law? Why are you such a hypocrite?
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Having sex slaves is also adulterous. Muslim men messing with little girls is a loose sexual more. Polygamy is also a way of committing adultery. Muslim men annulling marriage by recitation encourages adultery.
Secularism has fortunately resisted these virtues of Islam.
I can resist the bad parts of secularism peacefully by democratic means.
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LOL, what a complete moron!
You keep trying to change topics, idiot. Since you have already admitted that the Biblical laws are still in effect, except for the ones that cause “enmity” between Jews and Gentiles, then I am sure you are fully aware that killing and enslaving people is allowed by your Bible.
But back to the adultery law. Secularism encourages adultery, stupid. Get your head out of your rear-end. You can “resist”, you say? How’s than going for you? The last time I checked, western societies are becoming more secular, not less. The number of atheists is rising and Christianity is dying a slow death. Face it, madman. You are a hypocrite. You only pay lip-service to the laws of God. You don’t worship God. You worship secularism.
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Hey madman, since you admitted that the death penalty for adultery is still in effect, what about the one for homosexuality? Is that still in effect?
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What about witchcraft? Is that still a capital offense, madman?
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“what about the one for homosexuality? Is that still in effect?”
Yes. No doubt about that. We worship the God that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
Witchcraft. That’s more tricky. I’m inclined to think it is not a crime under the new covenant. I’ve haven’t given it much thought up to now.
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WOW!!! Did I just read that? On what basis are you picking and choosing which law to follow? You keep proving over and over that you are nothing but a hypocrite.
What is so “tricky” about witchcraft? The Bible says it is a capital offense. On what basis are you saying that it is “not a crime” any more? Do you think that Jesus would be okay with practicing black magic?
If you believe that homosexuals should be killed, why aren’t you opposing the liberal laws in the western world? Do you protest like the Westboro Baptist church, holding up signs like “God hates fags”? Or how about “Kill all homosexuals”?
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I don’t see Muslims stoning anyone for breaking the sabbath.
On what basis are you saying it is not a crime any more?
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LOL, always deflecting, eh?
Islam abrogated some of the previous laws. The Sabbath law was for the Israelites only. In Islam, Friday prayers are required but Muslims do not have to rest and abstain from work the entire day. The Quran makes this clear.
On what basis are you arguing that witchcraft is no longer a crime? Provide evidence from your scripture. Answer the question.
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“The Sabbath law was for the Israelites only.”
Maybe the law forbidding witchcraft was also only for the Israelites.
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But where is your evidence? Why are you making things up about your scripture without evidence?
Are you seriously claiming that witchcraft is allowed for Christians? Are you really that stupid? Think before you write, madman. You are making a fool of yourself.
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Are you seriously claiming that sabbath-breaking is allowed for Muslims? Are you really that stupid? Think before you write, madman. You are making a fool of yourself.
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Hahahaha, so Madman has no answers. But at least we now know that are pro-witchcraft. Why haven’t you committed yourself already?
Only in your idiotic mind would the Sabbath law be compared to the witchcraft law. Then again, you are a logic-impaired Christian.
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There’s only one explanation for why madman is pro-witchcraft and will not provide scriptural evidence for why he thinks it is not a crime anymore. He’s a witch! Are you Satan’s new bride, madman?
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Oh, what a calamitous dichotomy!! What is one to do!? On the one hand, if I try the erroneous “Quran affirms it” approach with no proof whatsoever I still have the issue that by definition then I must be affirming the Quran (hopefully no one notices that). On the other hand, if I say anything else it shows that I refute what is clearly an abhorrent mess that I call my doctrine. But wait! All is surely not lost as if I can delude myself as other pagan paulians have done for hundreds of years about the trinity farse then surely I can find a way to square this circle as well!! Yes, thats it, I can feel satan the holy spirit fill me now and we can work together to refute these monotheists!!
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@Faiz,
There is record of two encounters with sorcerers in Acts. In both cases judgement was left in the hands of God:
Acts 8 v 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
On Cyprus
Acts 13 v 4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus. 5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister. 6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus: 7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. 9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
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LOL, is that the best you could do?
This was in the Roman empire, where Christians had no political or legal authority. So, even if they wanted to, they could have never killed adulterers, homosexuals or sorcerers. But you actually disproved your own claim that witchcraft is no longer a crime! If it wasn’t a crime, then why were the sorcerers urged to repent?
So I ask you again. On what basis are you claiming that witchcraft is no longer a crime?
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They were urged to repent because although witchcraft is no longer a crime it is still a sin. Not all sins are crimes but all crimes are sins.
“This was in the Roman empire, where Christians had no political or legal authority. So, even if they wanted to, they could have never killed adulterers, homosexuals or sorcerers. ”
What humans could do is not the point. God punished himself with a temporary punishment, not by killing the sorcerer. Thus the law of capital punishment was abrogated.
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You are so full of crap! Why do you keep inserting your own opinions into your scripture? The scripture is clear that sorcerers are to be put to death, just like adulterers and homosexuals. The Christians could not apply these laws in the Roman empire, because they had no legal authority. Your hypocrisy is showing yet again.
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