The Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims says they are better under Muslim rule. The Zionist and the Evangelical Christians of the USA want to cleanse the whole Holy Land free from everyone except Jews(Zionist) alone and that is Satanic.
-Egyptian Church leader will not meet the US Vice President Pence because his(Pence) Evangelical Christian Biblical interpretation is not the same as his interpretation.
Long time Palestinian Legislative Council member and a Christian very angry at Trump and Pence and will not welcome him(Pence) in Palestinian territories.
Dr. Hanan Ashrawi, a member of PLO says the Palestinian Christians such as she, are the oldest Christians, original and still at the land of Jesus Christ and not the wicked Evangelical Christians of the USA who will elect an un holy person(Trump) to hand over Jerusalem to them(Zionist).
The Messiah needs to hand over Jerusalem to the Jews according to religious Jews and not an un holy person who grabs the g**** of women he has not married and brag about it. The real Jew will not accept Jerusalem form someone who
-tweets lies.
-owns gambling and strip clubs.
-Visits the dressing rooms of young girls beauty pagents who are naked and half naked.
-is divisive.
-etc.
The above shows the handing over of Jerusalem to the Zionist will fail by all means. The Palestinians Christians Muslims and Jews will get their Holy places back from the brutal zionist Evangelical Christians and the US Congress and Senate.
I think the Eastern Christians are the Christians that the Quran said are closer to Muslims because they sided with Muslims on this one. Every Christians sided with Muslims on Jerusalem except some Evangelical Christians of the USA and the US Congress and Senate.
Iran says Jerusalem belongs to Jews, Christians and Muslims but the Zionist says it belongs to Zionist alone with brutal crackdown to ethnic cleansing, wall, house demolition etc. Who is Godly and who is Satanic?
Most Jews in the USA do not support Trumps decision to give them Jerusalem. It is only the Evangelical Christians who support Trumps decision with some small amount of Zionist Jews. I did not say so, but it was said by an American Jew above. The Jews view the Evangelical Christians interpretation of the Bible about Jerusalem as racist.
“Women fighters of the Al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Jihad in Gaza, marched in protest against the Trump’s declaration that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital. With masked faces and bearing weapons, they vowed to continue the Intifada and proclaimed: “We will strike Tel Aviv” and “Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.” Footage of the march was posted on the Internet by the Lebanese U-News on December 11”
“Senior Egyptian Journalist Calls For Jihad Against Israel In Response To Trump’s Recognition Of Jerusalem As Its Capital”
“In a demonstration held in Times Square, New York, on December 8 to protest Trump’s declaration recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Imam Mohammad Qatanani of the Islamic Center of Passaic Country in Patterson, NJ, called to start a new Intifada. Qatanani, who was arrested in Israel as a Hamas activist in the 1990s, sparked chants of “With our souls and our blood, we will redeem you, oh Aqsa!” Nerdeen Kiswani of the NYC Students for Justice in Palestine said that every inch of Palestine – including Tel Aviv and Jaffa – is Palestinian land. Demonstrators chanted: “Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return.”
“Sheikh Aymen Elkasaby, imam of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, dedicated his Friday sermon on December 8 to U.S. President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Imam Elkasaby challenged the assumption that Israel is invincible, quoting from the Quran to demonstrate that the Jews “are the most cowardly of nations.” “So long as the Al-Aqsa Mosque remains prisoner in the hands of the Jews… So long as the Al-Aqsa Mosque remains under the feet of the apes and pigs, this nation will remain humiliated,” he said. Towards the end of the sermon, Imam Elkasaby prayed for Allah to grant him “martyrdom on the threshold of the Al-Aqsa Mosque” and to annihilate “the plundering oppressors” down to the very last one. At the end of the sermon, a community member stood up and invited the congregation to a demonstration in Times Square to protest the decision by the “lunatic” U.S. president. The videos of Imam Elkasaby’s sermon was posted on the YouTube account of the Islamic Center of Jersey City.
Can one of you enlightened commentators on this blog please go and teach all these Islamic leaders that Islam means peace? I mean, if only someone like Porky faiz or atlas could just educate these “backward” people we might have a chance…
Who are backward people? The IDF(Israel Defence Forces) have women carrying guns and they kill Palestinians, confiscate their lands, destroy their farmlands, kill their children in UN marked compounds, use poison(white phosphorous) on them, build walls and destroy Churches, Mosques and houses, build settlements, imprison children and many more.
You never brought these Israel atrocities but you brought a number of Palestinian resistance. You idiot. If you are living in your house and I come to say “get out, my God gave me your hourse 3000 years ago”. Will you leave? and sleep on street with your children? You are showing your hatred against Islam again, just like how you sided with the Muslim massacre in Burma, you are siding with Israel ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, brute and barbaric force, poison, torture, killing, extermination and genocide by the barbaric, cruel and satanic(demonic) God(Jesus Christ of the Bible) who said Israel must exterminate the Palestinian population.
The Palestinian Christians and all Christians around the world, except the Evangelical Christians of the USA and you have condemned the satanic actions of the Zionist and terrorist state of Israel.
I will only show you this video. You are so wicked and will support this.
It’s amazing that we live in a time when the worst of oppressors get away while the entire world is watching and when someone speaks out and says that there needs to be taken serious action (not this symbolic BDS bullshit) then everyone loses their shit.
A country (israhell) can invade one of the most densely populated regions in the world (close to 2 billion people) where the average age is 17 years, keep it occupied, control the amount of CALORIES that can go in, get only a few hours of electricity a day, can refill a limited amount of water few times a week, etc etc etc. But don’t you fucking dare say anything about it. God forbid you take up arms and fight back. The terrorist card is gonna be played. The moronic imbecile cross worshiping pieces of shit on the earth can do nothing but bend over and take it up the *** from a foreign nation that is sucking all the wealth out of pretty much every country on planet fucking earth with their usury money system.
Israhell and everyone that supports that shithole can go fuck themselves.
Paulus,
Christians are the last people on this planet who have the right to talk about this subject.
Palestinians have all the right to defend their land, farms, and their holy city.
If christians themselves consider the notion of “love your enemy” to be so ridiculous in the real life, why would you think muslims should take that notion seriously?
You should be banned with this mindset that you have for it’s just a mere garbage.
Thank you. The more we discuss the more we can all see that basically all the commentators on this blog support terrorism and violence. What you guys pretend to be in public is slowly being revealed as we gain access to what is actually taught in the masjid.
Cerbie, you apparently don’t know the difference between being peaceful and being a pacifist. They are not the same thing. You can be peaceful and yet still believe in the right of people to defend themselves against oppression, with violence with necessary. But no right thinking Muslim would support the killing of innocent people. See, we don’t follow your resting and regretting Canaanite god who demands the blood of children.
By the way, did anyone notice that Cerbie did not provide any source for the headlines given above? The reason is that is most likely taken from MEMRI, which is notorious for its biased reports and deceitful translations of Arabic news.
I knew I could count on Porky to educate these Muslims. Let me know how you go telling these American imams that self defence violence and martyrdom against Israel apparently works across the ocean! Hahaha
I never knew New Jersey was under occupation from the Jews! Is that in the Koran somewhere?
ROTFL!!! I knew I could on Cerbie, the neutered dog of Satan, to expose himself as a liar! What was your source for these headlines? Why didn’t you post it? Is it because it is MEMRI, which has been criticized for its mistranslations?
Even if one imam in New Jersey said these things, what about the thousands of others who have criticized Trump and Israel, but who have never called for killing all Jews? But that doesn’t matter right? Because you, as Satan’s lapdog, are not interested in getting the full story.
The only thing predictable is a muhammadan like you being completely illogical. Have you heard of the fallacy “poisoning the well”, little masjidian?
One imam? I cited two in America, one in Egypt and a group of crazed “liberated” muhamamdan Palestinian women.
But you say there are thousands who know better? Who are they? Where are they?
Look I could cite many more- like the violence or calls for violence in Iran, Pakistan or Jordan. Or Lebanon. Or the little children in gaza preaching Jihad in their masjid.
But look, I’m not worried, I’m sure you can educate all these backward Muslims and bring them into your western version of Islam in your mum’s basement. If only they could google like you. Maybe that could be your strategy.
Oh, and why your at it, can you please educate the backward Atlas above? He seems to have gone all jihadi recently
LOL, Cerbie’s train-wreck keeps getting more and more twisted.
Of course people are angry, and that’s really the only news worthy to report by the media, isn’t it? I went to Friday prayers at my masjid and though the imam talked about the situation in Jerusalem, and what Muslims need to do to end the oppression, he never once said that Jews should be killed. In fact, he always goes to great lengths to make it clear that extremism is just as bad as the oppression of the Zionists. He told us a story about how in 1986, his late uncle went to defend Al-Aqsa mosque when a group of Zionists were trying to march on the site. He mentioned how recently, his uncle’s daughter told him not to worry about the mosque because Palestinians were camped at the mosque to ensure its protection. No calls for violence or killing Jews. Just self-defense and protecting our holy places.
LOL, and you assume that MEMRI must be completely trustworthy, even though experts have criticized it for its bias and deceit You are a lapdog of Satan. When will you think for yourself?
Let me neuter you some more. What is the reaction of the majority of Muslim leaders? Here you go:
Hmmm, not much in there about killing Jews. How could that be? There is plenty of criticism of Trump’s decision, and warnings that it will inflame the situation, but no actual calls for Muslims to violently resist. Could that mean that Satan’s lapdog is grasping at straws? Well, who would have thunk it?
Now that you are neutered again, go and rest like your god. You need it.
“I’m not surprised. You are a muhammadan with an example who bitchslapped aisha. I’d expect nothing less.”
O how lovely! A cross worshiping piece of **** lying his ass off again. The Prophet didn’t hit Aisha EVER.
This bs has been refuted to many times. The Arabic word used in that hadith is ‘lahada’ which means push. The same was used in another hadith where the this happened to another man where upon the man said that caused him pain. The Prophet (saw) responded by saying that wasn’t his intention. Further more Aisha herself bitchslaps you and your ilk with the following hadith:
Allaah’s Messenger (pbuh) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman. (Ibn Majah)
I don’t bitchslap women paulus. I just kill them or send bears after them. I learned that from the greatest comicbook ever written named the bible.
@Paulus, who has ever said that Islam should be peace to people like you and Zionists? Islam is only peaceful for peaceful people. The Prophet came as a mercy for mankind generally speaking. But for some people the sword is what they have the right for.
Yes, you radicals want the rest of us to be dhimmis. That’s your version of peace. Sadly for you, Islam is not dominant. You’ll just need to learn to be equal with the rest of us. You’ll need to learn that muhammad and Allah have let you down. You’ll need to learn to be human again. Meanwhile, the ME will continue to use the sword to slaughter their fellow muhammadans
LOL, why should we take the advice of a dog from hell? You don’t have much experience with being “human”, do you?
It doesn’t go unnoticed that you are now avoiding all the topics that you initiated, after getting neutered so badly. Now you are just resorting to making laughable statements which any moronic troll would make. You people are a dime a dozen.
Paulus what do you think of what the Christians said in the video about how they’re fellow Christians in the U.S are supporting policies that are causing them to suffer rather than helping them?
Why would the policies of a foreign ruler cause hardship to a religious minority in a muslim country? Would you justify anti-muslim prejudice due to the actions of ISIS?
I’m not being lazy. There has to be a sickness in muslim palestinian society that an ancient religious minority that has lived side by side with muslims for centuries is suddenly in danger because of circumstances outside of their control.
If palestinian christians feel endangered, then blame falls entirely on the shoulders of those who are threatening them. Is Trump threatening palestinian christians? Or, are muslims a threat to palestinian christians?
You clearly didn’t watch the video as they said they considered Palestinian Muslims as their brothers and sisters, closer to them than the U.S evangelicals that endorse the Trump who in turn supports a regime that according to them (not me) is oppressing them.
The sickness seems to be the Israeli regime backed by the U.S, surely such open support can only cause further harm?
Hmm- I wonder why half of them sounded American? And with a sample size of 5 or 6 it’s a bit hard to comment on what “Christians in Palestine” actually think.
Given the history of palestinian rule over christians, enforcing the dhimmi pact, I’d suggest that the concentration against the Jews is a mere collaboration to redirect persecution from themselves. Numbers of Christians has and continues to fall in the area as they leave the Islamic oppression.
Basically, it’s a very selective video and hardly touches on the oppression of Christians in the area caused by Islamic rule
Here is further proof that Palestinian Christians are suffering from Israeli rule, including a very interesting comment from the mayor of Bethlehem (the most densely population of Christians in Israel).
“But even when conservative Christians are aware that Palestinian Christians face difficulty, they tend to believe it is exclusively the result of Islamic extremism. As Baboun told me, when she travels abroad, the question she fields most frequently is about the relationship between Muslims and Christians in Bethlehem. But, she says, “I always tell them this is the wrong question. Because we are Palestinians. As Christians and Muslims, we are living under the same pressure to keep on our daily bread, the education of our children, our daily life.”
Please also take note what the article says labout the wall between Israel and Palestine, “The barrier was intended to protect Israeli civilians from terrorist attacks — hundreds of innocent people had died — but it also isolated Palestine and choked off its economic growth.
Bethlehem, and its Christians, have suffered deeply as a result. It’s difficult for local authorities there to ensure access to clean water and maintain basic infrastructure — a situation worsened by the Palestinian Authority’s own endemic graft.”
Are Muslims to blame for all this or the Israeli government(s)? The answer is obvious
I don’t understand your logic. Muslims were killing innocent people. So a protective wall was built to help civilians. Of course something like that will have consequences. But to blame the Jews for trying to protect its people is hardly logical. Why not blame th people who were actually responsible for needing such infrastructure?
I’m also not sure why you are trying to act as if living in the dhimmi status is a good thing?
“Basing his findings on ten years of research, an Israeli expert on international human rights law has warned that the shrinking Palestinian Christian community could disappear within 15 years due to the threat of Muslim extremism. “The systematic persecution of Christian Arabs living in Palestinian areas is being met with nearly total silence by the international community, human rights activists, the media and NGOs,”
“”To understand the severity of the situation is, let us recall that in the 1950s about 86% of the population of the Bethlehem area was Christian. Today, we are only 12%. In Israel, by contrast, we have 133,000 Christians and the figure is stable. Of course, I am worried about the future of Christians here.” — Samir Qumsieh.”
The only reason some Christian will side with the Muslims is because they have no choice. Can you imagine what would happen if they supported trump? Dead. Immediately. You see, Muslims like to talk about the royhinga Muslims, but seem indifferent to the driving out of Christians from the Middle East. Muslims don’t care about innocent people- they only care about making Islam supreme. And it’s not. And they can’t handle that truth.
Lookie here, another quote with no source? Hmmm, I wonder why?
Oh and Cerbie, do you happen to know what the Jewish terrorist groups like the Irgun did to the Arab population in the 1940s? No of course you don’t, nor do you care, because in your mind, Muslims are never victims of violence.
I don’t nor will I ever support Hamas or Islamic Jihad’s terrorist attacks on civilians. In fact, I think they are hurting their cause by doing that. But no one should ever forget that the Israelis committed major atrocities against the Muslim population, so it is no surprise that some of them are so angry. Yes, they are wrong and they should be stopped, but terrorists on the other side need to be stopped as well.
Now go back to worshiping your resting and regretting Canaanite god who orders the murder of children. Maybe when you come back, some one will take you seriously for a change.
THERE ARE SO MANY Christians siding with Israel,none of their Muslim neighbors come out and say “Im going to kill you”,And not only that,this is called An Ad Populum,adhering to Stereotype and Popular OPINIONS rather than any factual evidence.
I mean back in 1190s in Salahuddeen (RH)’s time,there were so many christians who fought Muslims,Salahuddeen could’ve killed their supporters completely in the kingdom of Jerusalem,but no,he let them go and live on. and till the Israeli occupation All major religions were living peacefully in Jerusalem.
Is this a perfect illustration of occupation and invasion? And yet it still stands, unlike the many holy sites that Muslims stole from
Jews and Christians
The pagan Romans, who are the srevatns of god according to your prophet paul, used to throw the city’s trash in that place untill the real sevrants of Allah (sw) came and cleaned that holy place from your dirty. They brought it back to the children of Abraham where it should belong to.
Stealing and occupation ?!
” They will join forces to swoop down on Philistia to the west. Together they will (ATTACK) and ( PLUNDER) the nations to the east. They will ( OCCUPY) the lands of Edom and Moab and Ammon will obey them” Isaiah 11:4
You cannot get enough of kicking your faces, can you? It’s the bedtime kiddo.
Hey Cerbie, what happened to the church of the Holy Sepulcher when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantines?
Oh and what happened to the Jews of Jerusalem when the Muslims conquered it? Oh right, I forgot! There WERE no Jews there, thanks to the pagan Romans and then the Christians!
ROTFL!!! You are so predictable, Cerbie! I had a feeling you would go for that, but then you didn’t the full quote. I wonder why? Here is what it says:
“Historians differ on the roots of the arrangement. Some researchers say Saladin most likely bestowed the guardianship upon the two families in order to assert Muslim dominance over Christianity in the city. It also had financial implications, with a tax from visitors collected at the door.
Documentation, however, only goes back to the 16th century, Joudeh said, displaying dozens of “Fermans”, or royal decrees by rulers of the Ottoman empire, bestowing the key custodianship upon his family. ”
Oops, so Cerbie gets exposed again as a liar for Jesus…I mean Satan. You are Satan’s lapdog, right?
“maybe the zionists”
The jewish zionists believe that God, whom they don’t believe in to begin with, gave them that land according to a book called Torah which from their perspective has nothing to do with the western values and it’s just a barbaric book.
On the ther hand, the christian zionists who ” love their enemy” believe that jews, whom Jesus considred as brood of vipers and sons of satan, must be given that land, so Jesus can easily return and slay them except 144,000.
This game has been running till now at the expense of a whole nation which has been suffering all that time.
I mean devils can send their children to your school of zionism. No one can defeat you with satanism.
You said;
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
I say;
God’s Son/son?
Luke 3:38
New International Version
the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Paulus, I worship God Himself, not God’s Son/son.
Jesus destroyed peoples tables and chairs when he was not a ruler/head of state/president etc. but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.
Our prophet never raped a child but MARRIED a young woman who has reached the age of marriage that time. Age limit was set recently by some western countries. Before then, people marry young women . Even today some people marry young women. See Donald Trump and his young wife but Evangelical Christians of the USA voted for him(Trump) despite his proclaiming to be dirty and un holy by grabbing young beauty pageants p****.
I, who worship God Himself and you Paulus, who worship not God Himself but God’s Son like Adam, Jesus, Joseph, Moses etc. who will go to hell? I guess the answer is obvious. You will burn in hell fire.
“but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.”
The obvious problem with this line of reasoning is that Allah also cannot be God because the Koran teaches that Allah gets angry
“The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians). “S. 1:7 Hilali-Khan
Our prophet MARRIED Ayisha, he did not rape her. Again, age limit, consent etc. laws started in the 1960s, so it was not applicable before then. The age of marriage at that time was puberty.
Muslims do not say anger is sinfulness. It is Christians who say anger is sinfulness i.e. Pastor Ken Temple. That is why I am using it against Jesus Christ. We do not believe anger is sinfulness, so Allah can still be angry and be God because we do not consider anger as sinfulness but Christians do, so Jesus cannot be God.
Now you are lying for muhammad or extremely ignorant of Christian teaching. Righteous anger is something both Muslims and Christians would agree on. So your objection against Muhammad’s creator is refute.
Aisha was playing with dolls. She would not consent to a dirty old man raping her. You are a vile human to defend such sinfulness
Do you call Joseph the carpenter, the husband of your God’s mother(Mary), dirty old? Because he was 90+ and yet married the mother of your God at 12 years.
Ayisha consented to our prophet and there was no age limit at that time. Ayisha’s Father, Mother and Family agreed to the marriage. You Paulus do not love Ayisha than her parents who blessed the marriage. I do not think at all, Ayisha’s parents will hand her over to a marriage that will harm her. Since when did you become the spokesman for Ayisha and her family? To be talking on their behalf with regards to her daughters marriage, when they are happy about that? The Father was our prophets best friend and Ayisha became a stateswoman.
Back to topic. Muslims still have the Mosque and its environs in Jerusalem, despite the demonic force of the zionist/Evangelical Christians to put metal detectors, cameras, and narrow gates to control it was disallowed by the Palestinians.
Paulus
December 17, 2017 • 8:04 am
Now you are lying for muhammad or extremely ignorant of Christian teaching. Righteous anger is something both Muslims and Christians would agree on. So your objection against Muhammad’s creator is refute.
I say;
Reverend Ken Temple told me that, when a child is born, he is angry by crying and demanding things, so that anger is sinful nature and sinfulness that he acquired and needed the blood of Jesus to wash it. The Most Reverend did not tell me anything about “righteous anger” but he kept preaching about anger as sin.
Now, you are preaching about “righteous anger” which means Christians do not know what they preach. They just say things to promote their whims and caprice.
If there is something like “righteous anger”, then the baby is right to be angry when it is hungry and need food because it cannot talk. Why then blame babies as sinners because of their “righteous anger” just like Jesus’s “righteous anger”? So, babies are not sinners but righteous according to Paulus but the Very Reverend Ken will not agree with Paulus and will say babies are sinners because of their anger which they inherited from Adam and Eve. Mary the Mother of Jesus also inherited that anger and passed it to Jesus Christ.
like usual, you can’t distimguish between nuances in thought. Here is a quick resource on righteous anger. Use your intellect and think about unrighteous anger aswell.
Cerbie is STILL avoiding the topics he initiated after getting so badly embarrassed?! Going of on tangents, eh Cerbie? 😉
You pathetic clowns are so desperate. It seems you are running out of arguments to thrown against Islam, so all you can do is repeat the same old polemics which have been refuted ad nauseum. Whether you like it or not, people were married at a young age, often times to someone much older. And whether you like it or not, it was a common Biblical practice as well, and your god never said anything against it. For example, Isaac was 40 years old when he married Rebekah. How old was she? According to Jewish sources, any where from 3 to 14. I tend to go with the higher age because it seems unlikely that a 3 year old would have the strength to draw water from a well. Any way, here is what the Jewish Encyclopedia states:
“The Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac. The statement of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (i.) and Gen. R. (lvii. 1) that Abraham was informed of Rebekah’s birth when he ascended Mount Moriah for the ‘Aḳedah, is interpreted by some as meaning that Rebekah was born at that time, and that consequently she was only three years old at the time of her marriage. Other rabbis, however, conclude from calculations that she was fourteen years old, and that therefore she was born eleven years before the ‘Aḳedah, both numbers being found in different manuscripts of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (comp. Tos. to Yeb. 61b). The “Sefer ha-Yashar” (section “Ḥayye Sarah,” p. 38a, Leghorn, 1870) gives Rebekah’s age at her marriage as ten years” (www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12610-rebekah).
Now, I know how Cerbie the neutered dog will respond:
1. “Oh well, we don’t use the Rabbinical sources for this information, only what the Bible says.”
To that we can respond by saying it is a historical fact that girls were married off at a young age. Furthermore, there is no reason why the Rabbis would have made up her age. It’s not something to make up. If anything, they would have made her older if there was some controversy about her age being too low. But that was not the case, because it was the norm in all cultures.
2. “We don’t consider Isaac to be a role model for all time, like Muslims believe with Muhammad.”
To that we can respond by simply pointing out that by Cerbie’s own standards, it doesn’t matter if Isaac is a role model or not. By your standards, he was a still a pedophile. Therefore, he is in hell for that, and so will anyone who defends that practice (which is pretty much everyone up until modern times).
So whatever argument Cerbie the neutered dog of Satan wants to bring, he will simply embarrass himself. He has already dug himself into a big hole. But hey, that’s what dogs do! They dig!
Now that you have been neutered again, will you deal with the actual topics of this thread or will you keep running away and going off on tangents? By the way, how is your personal relationship with your resting and regretting Canaanite god?
We have to give Joel and Samaritan credit on this one. They never support the oppression against Muslims then blame the Muslim victims as Paulus is doing. Joel and Samaritan you are getting away from Satan but Paulus is eating with Satan. He always finds some articles that are neither here nor there to blame the Muslim victims and then praise the terrorists zionist and buddhists. To Paulus, anything Muslim is bad and anything demonic, barbaric, evil against Muslims is good. No wonder he will be in hell with the devil because his heart is black and can’t see any truth with regards to Muslims except everything Islam is bad. That is how the devil think.
A constant statement I always repeat before men who say they hate me because I am a Muslim is
“Several millions hated Islam and fought against it before you. After centuries of their hatred however, all they have to show for their efforts is the continous growth of Islam. They went to their graves still hating. The religion still continued to be practiced openly after them…… Keep hating, your story will not be any different.
Honestly,they’re just intellectually dishonest Individuals,Ad Hominems are stained in their comments,even Argument from Ignorance,Presuppositions and constant flaws.
Brother Intellect, you are giving those dummies too much credit. The fact that they are not commenting does not mean anything other than that they are not commenting. But we all know what they think based on past discussions. They are just as brainwashed as Cerbie is. All three of them are Satan’s children.
Paulus will say exactly, quote exactly, argue exactly how the satanic Evangelical Christians/extreme Zionist Jews who may not be religious Jews say, quote and argue, then blame the victims who are murdered, raped, poisoned(white phosphor), houses demolished, farmland demolished, wall cut off, shoot etc in Myanmar and Israel.
Anyone who supports the above must be prepared to go to hell when he dies. I am glad Joel, Samaratan and most Christians on this blog do not support the above except Paulus with nauseating arguments from the zionist and buddhist terrorists. No sane Christians will believe the zionist and buddhist terrorists except someone without heart like Paulus.
quranandbibleblog
December 16, 2017 • 4:09 pm
Brother Intellect, you are giving those dummies too much credit. The fact that they are not commenting does not mean anything other than that they are not commenting. But we all know what they think based on past discussions. They are just as brainwashed as Cerbie is. All three of them are Satan’s children.
I say;
Thanks brother Faiz. You know them better than I do because you always have a lengthy engagement with them than I do.
I think you will find the majority of people, Muslims excluded, support democratic Israel over the terrorists PA. It is only Muslims and their supporters, and only because of theological reasons, not social ones, that support the terrorism of PA. They have repeatedly rejected peace agreements
Which is why your leaders only talk about the masjid, and not the people, as cited above. They want Allah to be dominant. He isn’t. He failed you and Muslims don’t know what to do but intifada. It’s all about getting the Mosque back not reducing suffering
Cerbie, you have been exposed as a Satanic liar. No one takes you seriously, even when you try to act like you know what you are talking about. Sorry! 😉
Paulus
December 16, 2017 • 8:57 pm
I think you will find the majority of people, Muslims excluded, support democratic Israel over the terrorists PA. It is only Muslims and their supporters, and only because of theological reasons, not social ones, that support the terrorism of PA. They have repeatedly rejected peace agreements
I say;
You are sleep walking and seeing what satan has showed you just like your prophet, Paul of Tarsus did
with Satan and do not know the support the Palestinians(Jews, Christians and Muslims) are getting from the world.
As brother Chocoboy wrote, you will die and go to your grave hating Islam and Muslims like others did before you and Islam and Muslims will continue to grow.
Paulus
December 16, 2017 • 9:00 pm
Which is why your leaders only talk about the masjid, and not the people, as cited above. They want Allah to be dominant. He isn’t. He failed you and Muslims don’t know what to do but intifada. It’s all about getting the Mosque back not reducing suffering
I say;
The Mosque is still in the hands of Muslims i.e. the waqf of Jordan. Israel is desperate to get the site and build their temple through the help of evangelical Christians of the USA and for more than 50 years they could not dare do that.
Recently, the Palestinians prevented Israelis from taking over the Mosque by refusing metal detectors, cameras and closures of gates. If even Israelis take the Mosque we will get it back as we usually do because the place is for God(Allah) and those who worship the only one true God of Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed etc.
With regards to suffering of the Palestinians(Muslims, Christians and Jews), blame it on Israel who are the occupying force using satanic(demonic) means, money, ipac and to some extent Saudi Arabia.
It will all come to an end as it usually does in sha Allah.
A satanic liar? Is that kinda like muhammad telling people Allah gave him a verse when it was satan? There is a aperfect example of lying for Satan. From your prophet!! Ha!!
Jesus:
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“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mohammed.
“In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone.”
Paulus. Jesus and Mohammed are on the same path here.
Jesus:
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Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
Mohammed:
Quran: 5:72
Sahih International:
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Jesus:
John 20:17
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Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'”
Paulus. You are finished. If you believe in Jesus, then Prophet Mohammed said exactly what Jesus said and so, he cannot be a liar.
What the devil said and cannot be found in the Bible.
-God died
-God is 3 persons 1 God.
-God Jesus is a Son. But God is not Son/son to anyone.
-God is Man. No Jew believed God is man or will become a man.
I have more. So, your Trinitarian religion is lie because Jesus never worshiped himself but worshiped the God of Mohammed, Abraham, Moses etc. whom Jesus said He(God of Mohammed, Abraham etc.) is the only true God who is not Jesus but sent Jesus.
If you fail to understand this, you will burn in hell fire.
Anyway, Muslims are still the custodians of the Mosque in Jerusalem including other small Mosques around it. Israel with all its satanic might could not install metal detectors and cameras there. Only handful of Palestinians prevented them(Israel) from carrying that control of the Mosque and its environs. If your heart is in pain for that, you will die like how Pope Urban III died because Muslims were the custodians of the Mosque and its environs.
“Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven“
Muhammadism teaches contrary.
John 20 which you cited is jesus’ resurrection narrative.
Muhammadism teaches contrary.
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
You said;
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
I say;
God’s Son/son?
Luke 3:38
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the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Paulus, I worship God Himself, not God’s Son/son.
Jesus destroyed peoples tables and chairs when he was not a ruler/head of state/president etc. but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.
Our prophet never raped a child but MARRIED a young woman who has reached the age of marriage that time. Age limit was set recently by some western countries. Before then, people marry young women . Even today some people marry young women. See Donald Trump and his young wife but Evangelical Christians of the USA voted for him(Trump) despite his proclaiming to be dirty and un holy by grabbing young beauty pageants p****.
I, who worship God Himself and you Paulus, who worship not God Himself but God’s Son like Adam, Jesus, Joseph, Moses etc. who will go to hell? I guess the answer is obvious. You will burn in hell fire.
“A satanic liar? Is that kinda like muhammad telling people Allah gave him a verse when it was satan? There is a aperfect example of lying for Satan. From your prophet!! Ha!!”
And your sources are????
That’s right unreliable sources. But it’s ok, we are used to your shitty ‘logic’. You can’t quote a single reliable source but I supposed you’re used to it cus every single word in your 4 ‘gospels’ that Jesus allegedly uttered can’t be traced back to Jesus. You already rely your soul on unknown potatoes which have no authenticity.
Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?
“Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?”
LOL, there goes Cerbie again rehashing old arguments which even western scholars don’t take seriously.
Who said Muslims fabricated this story? What if it was a non-Muslim who wanted to discredit the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? We don’t know the original source of the story. That’s why it is unreliable. Just because Ibn Ishaq mentioned it does not mean Muslims believed the story.
Speaking of “the criterion of embarrassment”, let’s see if you are consistent. We know that “Mark” and “Matthew” were written before “Luke”. In both Mark and Matthew, Jesus’ abuse of a Gentile woman is mentioned, but not in the Gentile Luke’s gospel! Using the “criterion of embarrassment”, can we be certain that Luke was embarrassed by the story and did not want his Gentile readers knowing it, so he left it out of his gospel? What say you, lapdog of Satan. Queue your embarrassment in 5…4…3…2…1…
“Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?”
You’re a moron Paulus.
So what if it’s a Muslim source?
A respected source? The collector of hadiths might be respected, does that magically give authenticity to every single hadith that the person collected.
Based on the criterion of embarrassment according to the secret gospel of Mark Jesus did unspeakable things. So it must be true right???
Christian sources contain ‘info’ that Christians reject.
Just because it’s a Muslim source doesn’t make it authentic. Islamic sources contain all sorts of hadiths.
And it’s sooo obvious you got this from the crossdressing pervert david wood and/or his ilk.
Many have missing links in the chain of narrators. So if you don’t know who those people are then how can you apply the principle of embarrassment to them? Others say that it wasn’t the Prophet who uttered them but Satan.
As Ibn Kathir states: these reports all come through MURSAL chains of narration and I do not think that any of them may be regarded as Sahih
Go on. Keep quoting bs. You wouldn’t dare apply this low level argument to your own sources.
I’m calling you intellectually dishonest,because that’s what you exactly are,Ad Hominems are cussing down the man,or cussing against the man,or even just targetting the man instead of his arguments.
Have I ever targetted and cussed at you constantly?
No I have not,I have called you and your arguments intellectually dishonest.
And stop with the labels it wont really help you at all,
you’re just labelling people insulting things,because it makes you feel better about how pitiful your arguments are and how weak and easily refutable they are.
As for the fabrication of the Satanic verses,
The satanic verses story was taken by Al Tabari,if you knew how Al Tabari researched,even though he was Muslim,his historical book was only showing different views on the subject of the Prophet SAW,he just took all sorts of stories and mashed them together to make his book,it depends on the chain who were lying and who weren’t,and why would Muslims fabricate stories? to fit private beliefs afcourse,you see back in the days,we didnt have a set belief,even though the Quran and Hadith were perfectly set,but the minds of the people weren’t,so many had these contradicting ideas,and these contradicting ideas can be found in the Unauthentic hadiths,whereas the Authentic hadiths,these authentic hadiths came from a chain of narrators,who were students of Companions(r.a) who would have never lied about the prophet SAW.
Now see this hypocrisy, he tries to say I do the ad hominems,yet he’s the one cussing down our Prophet SAW, and trying to make a assertion and feed it into peoples minds.
None of us have ever cursed at Jesus A.S,so who is the fair one here?
Who is following “Love your enemies” here?
Is it christians?
No it isnt,Paulus is trying to imply that Muslims are supposed to be killed with all of his comments,and we call this Ad Baculum,trying to make the man fear to win an argument, but this is a fallacy,Paulus,would you not agree?
And lets go to many of your other intellectually dishonest arguments,you called our Prophet SAW a rapist,we call your unknown bible author a sick minded man,for he has falsely attributed such things to God
“Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'”(Exodus 32:27)
Is this your Jesus? because according to your trinity,Jesus is the one saying this,but wait you say Jesus is full of love,then how come he can command such in the Old testament?
Now dont tell me “God was strict back then”
No this argument just does not work,because your Bible says God cannot change
“I,The LORD donot Change”(Malachi 3:6)
Now this isnt the only problem with Christianity,let us assume Trinity is true,your own Bible comes in error too then
For example,in John in one place Jesus says “God and I are one”(John 10:30) then he says “God is greater than I”(John 14:28)
And then even more and more contradictions come,infact your Own Bible has a history of change
Now how come all of this is missing?
Your Bible isnt even in its original language and form,
The author is unknown.
There are several problems in it.
Like Contradictions and re-translations in which changes occured,the Bible doesnt have its true translation or even its true text anymore,
You just commited a strawman,I said if the trinity were true,your own book would have problems,I don’t see how I called Jesus God,so stop with the strawman
Also not to mention,Your mindset,Paulus is very comparable to ISIS,in both,a person is allowed to be killed,according to ISIS,you can kill Non Muslims,according to you Muslims can be killed,no matter how much you try to escape them,you have a mindset like them.
You defended Muhammad’s actions by appealing to God’s actions. That is shirk. If you don’t think that text applies to God, then your citation of it is redundant. Either way, your point is worthless
Refute your points? Ok, sure. Two natured Christology and divine accomodation. Jesus can be both equal to the Father in essence but subject to him in earthly purpose. Ironically, it was you who created the false equivalence to fabricate a claim of contradiction.
I get the feeling you are new to this since you think an illogical old Islamic polemic is rational and convincing. Typical muhammadan
How can you make sense of that? Equal in essence,yet he doesn’t know the end time,and changes,yet God never changes in his essence, but somehow, He(Jesus) is somehow different aswell,this just made Two different Gods in your Bible,and please stop with the strawmanning and assertions,and even red herrings,your first argument is irrelevant. it does not matter,you believe this(The Bible) is Gods word,not me.
As for your second statement,again Strawman and Red herring,first of All,no Muslim worships Muhammad SAW,you wont find one,and the argument is irrelevant.
Seriously,does this guy ever stop using fallacies? he just comes to get embarrassed over and over,and starts to cuss down the man once refuted.
“Then your citation of it is redundant” thats a “Genetic Fallacy” just because I’m not Christian or disbelieve in Christianity does not make my citation redundant,you’re the one thats assuming my argument is false because I’m not christian,even though I provided sufficient verses. yet your refutation against it causes a Cognitive dissonance, and infact you caused a tu quoque aswell,you ignored all my verses,everything,and then went on a fit.
Infact,where in the bible does it say “earthly essence” what?? It never says that in any of the verses,and nor in the interpretations,so this is a missing Data fallacy.
I have literally read through all you said once more,and none of my questions,literally not ONE has been answered at all. what about the evil your Lord has done that YOU believe in,not us Muslims?
what about the fact Gods essence cannot change? I wonder..
“you’re the one thats assuming my argument is false because I’m not christian”
I did no such thing. You’ve ironically created a strawman for the genetic fallacy.
What is did do is say that you defended Muhammad (a man) by appealing to God. You did this by citing a verse from the tanakh. I have no problem with the verse. God is God. But you can’t compare Muhammad’s actions to God’s. That is shirk. Now you seem to be pretending that you didn’t cite the verse as a defence for Muhammad’s actions.
“what about the evil your Lord has done that YOU believe in,not us”
Do you know what fallacy you committed here, Mr Logician? I’d happily discuss the *possibility* of such things being “evil”, but of course you are fallacious to assume such into the question.
“Infact,where in the bible does it say “earthly essence” what?? It never says that in any of the verses,and nor in the interpretations,so this is a missing Data fallacy.”
Oh dear…I never said “earthly essence”? I said “earthly purpose”. Go back and check. I guess you might be the one guilty of this “missing data fallacy”.
“I have literally read through all you said once more”
Clearly, not very well…
“literally not ONE has been answered at all”
Hmm…what fallacy are you guilty of now, Mr Logician? I demonstrated that your citation of GJohn was based on a false equivalence. I also demonstrated that your citation of the tanakh in defense of Muhammad was shirk. You’ve admitted such by protesting about God’s essence and the evil actions of God.
Perhaps if you have a direct, clear question, you could ask it, without pretending to be a logician and making numerous illogical points along the way
LOL, Beez Games, I see you have become acquainted with our resident loon Paulus/Cerbie. Yes, this is how this neutered dog of hell operates. He avoids all arguments against his foolish religion and makes all sorts of fallacies instead to excuse the horrible things his pagan Canaanite god ordered. It just goes to show that hypocrisy is the fruit of Christianity. Rape of virgins? Well, it’s okay if God allowed it. But the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (ra) with the blessing of her parents and completely with her agreement? And even though it was the norm in ALL cultures (including Biblical culture)? Oh how horrible, that’s child abuse! Such is the logic of the trinitarian pagans.
Hey Cerbie, how’s your resting and regretting god? I would bet that he he is regretting having you as his representative on this blog! Hahahahaha!
Okay now I understood your saying,your argument on Earthly purpose and essence still does not make sense,why? because in Jesus’s Essence he wasn’t God neither,he was lesser than God,as he said,everything he had was by God,not him.
as per the verse:
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As for you saying I straw manned you,No I did not,you said I did not believe in the Christian God,but in Muhammad SAW,and you assumed my argument was false,because I believe in Muhammad SAW,and therefore you still commited a genetic fallacy.
and you again ignored the question and commited a tu quoque. Please give a clear answer.
I have commited only one fallacy I admit,but the rest of the fallacies you “think” I did,are made up Fallacies,therefore by assuming my question is a fallacy you commited a “fallacy fallacy”,I’m speaking from your Christian view, and you use supressed proof,to ignore my argument and focus on Islam,this is shifting the burden of proof,all you have done so far about Islam is make assumptions and assertions.
Your Jesus was not God at all,not even in the spiritual essence,as demonstrated by these verses
John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
He was a slave to God
John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me
So I dont see ANY indication of Jesus being God at all. not in Spiritual essence,nor in Earthly Purpose,Spiritually he was a Human,only a human who God made,
So where did you get the assumption that Jesus was different only on Earthly purpose? and where did you get the assumption of Spiritual essence? these aren’t biblical arguments,therefore your argument is a false argument, and a False Premise. therefore since there was absolutely no mention of anything like this in the Bible,nor the Tanakh.
Again,the thing you said at first,how can My argument be false? if God is God,that gives your God,not ours, this is your God,it gives no excuse to your God to break promises,your Bible said “Love your enemies” your Bible said “God is all Good” yet in the end of the day,your Bible also says,God killed little children,animals,and innocent men and women,so how can we say this God is all Good? it must infact be Satan instead of God,for God would have never ordered such a thing,in this case our Prophet SAW,and OUR God,Allah SWT were more merciful,for Muhammad SAW could’ve destroyed all nations around him,but he chose not to and said “perhaps their Children will believe”,he only attacked those nations which attacked him,he only attacked those nations which planned to attack him,not any other nation
Whereas in the Bible,for little Things your God wants to Kill innocents for it,and tear our Babies from Pregnant women,how is this justified if God is all Good? your God basically promotes Barbarism and Abortion,and on top of that Sexual language and profanity,have you read the Song of Songs? is this your “All Good” God?
Paulus
December 19, 2017 • 12:14 am
Why? Don’t you worship allah alone? Why then, would you be upset about me criticizing a mere human?
I say;
Jesus is a man or half man. Criticize the man part of Jesus first when he destroy peoples property, insult a woman dog and lied that he will be in Jerusalem etc. before criticizing other prophets of God.
You worship Jesus- a man. Why blame us for not worshiping Prophet Mohammed who happens to be a man like Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc. because they were all sent by the ONLY TRUE GOD who is not Jesus but sent Jesus?
Proof:
John 17:3
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Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Paulus, I am sorry, if you worship the prophet of God who is a man, we Muslims do not worship Prophet Mohammed and he said several times that, he(Mohammed) is not God and he must not be worshiped.
It is disingenuous on your part to equate our RESPECT of our prophet as worship.
Jews respect David, Solomon, Moses etc. Do you think they worship God and worship their prophets?
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No.
The Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims says they are better under Muslim rule. The Zionist and the Evangelical Christians of the USA want to cleanse the whole Holy Land free from everyone except Jews(Zionist) alone and that is Satanic.
-Egyptian Church leader will not meet the US Vice President Pence because his(Pence) Evangelical Christian Biblical interpretation is not the same as his interpretation.
Long time Palestinian Legislative Council member and a Christian very angry at Trump and Pence and will not welcome him(Pence) in Palestinian territories.
Dr. Hanan Ashrawi, a member of PLO says the Palestinian Christians such as she, are the oldest Christians, original and still at the land of Jesus Christ and not the wicked Evangelical Christians of the USA who will elect an un holy person(Trump) to hand over Jerusalem to them(Zionist).
…..to be continued
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continued……….
The Messiah needs to hand over Jerusalem to the Jews according to religious Jews and not an un holy person who grabs the g**** of women he has not married and brag about it. The real Jew will not accept Jerusalem form someone who
-tweets lies.
-owns gambling and strip clubs.
-Visits the dressing rooms of young girls beauty pagents who are naked and half naked.
-is divisive.
-etc.
The above shows the handing over of Jerusalem to the Zionist will fail by all means. The Palestinians Christians Muslims and Jews will get their Holy places back from the brutal zionist Evangelical Christians and the US Congress and Senate.
I think the Eastern Christians are the Christians that the Quran said are closer to Muslims because they sided with Muslims on this one. Every Christians sided with Muslims on Jerusalem except some Evangelical Christians of the USA and the US Congress and Senate.
Iran says Jerusalem belongs to Jews, Christians and Muslims but the Zionist says it belongs to Zionist alone with brutal crackdown to ethnic cleansing, wall, house demolition etc. Who is Godly and who is Satanic?
Thanks.
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Most Jews in the USA do not support Trumps decision to give them Jerusalem. It is only the Evangelical Christians who support Trumps decision with some small amount of Zionist Jews. I did not say so, but it was said by an American Jew above. The Jews view the Evangelical Christians interpretation of the Bible about Jerusalem as racist.
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It’s not that fat whores to give
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“Women fighters of the Al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Jihad in Gaza, marched in protest against the Trump’s declaration that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital. With masked faces and bearing weapons, they vowed to continue the Intifada and proclaimed: “We will strike Tel Aviv” and “Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.” Footage of the march was posted on the Internet by the Lebanese U-News on December 11”
“Senior Egyptian Journalist Calls For Jihad Against Israel In Response To Trump’s Recognition Of Jerusalem As Its Capital”
“In a demonstration held in Times Square, New York, on December 8 to protest Trump’s declaration recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Imam Mohammad Qatanani of the Islamic Center of Passaic Country in Patterson, NJ, called to start a new Intifada. Qatanani, who was arrested in Israel as a Hamas activist in the 1990s, sparked chants of “With our souls and our blood, we will redeem you, oh Aqsa!” Nerdeen Kiswani of the NYC Students for Justice in Palestine said that every inch of Palestine – including Tel Aviv and Jaffa – is Palestinian land. Demonstrators chanted: “Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return.”
“Sheikh Aymen Elkasaby, imam of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, dedicated his Friday sermon on December 8 to U.S. President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Imam Elkasaby challenged the assumption that Israel is invincible, quoting from the Quran to demonstrate that the Jews “are the most cowardly of nations.” “So long as the Al-Aqsa Mosque remains prisoner in the hands of the Jews… So long as the Al-Aqsa Mosque remains under the feet of the apes and pigs, this nation will remain humiliated,” he said. Towards the end of the sermon, Imam Elkasaby prayed for Allah to grant him “martyrdom on the threshold of the Al-Aqsa Mosque” and to annihilate “the plundering oppressors” down to the very last one. At the end of the sermon, a community member stood up and invited the congregation to a demonstration in Times Square to protest the decision by the “lunatic” U.S. president. The videos of Imam Elkasaby’s sermon was posted on the YouTube account of the Islamic Center of Jersey City.
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Can one of you enlightened commentators on this blog please go and teach all these Islamic leaders that Islam means peace? I mean, if only someone like Porky faiz or atlas could just educate these “backward” people we might have a chance…
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Paulus
Who are backward people? The IDF(Israel Defence Forces) have women carrying guns and they kill Palestinians, confiscate their lands, destroy their farmlands, kill their children in UN marked compounds, use poison(white phosphorous) on them, build walls and destroy Churches, Mosques and houses, build settlements, imprison children and many more.
You never brought these Israel atrocities but you brought a number of Palestinian resistance. You idiot. If you are living in your house and I come to say “get out, my God gave me your hourse 3000 years ago”. Will you leave? and sleep on street with your children? You are showing your hatred against Islam again, just like how you sided with the Muslim massacre in Burma, you are siding with Israel ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, brute and barbaric force, poison, torture, killing, extermination and genocide by the barbaric, cruel and satanic(demonic) God(Jesus Christ of the Bible) who said Israel must exterminate the Palestinian population.
The Palestinian Christians and all Christians around the world, except the Evangelical Christians of the USA and you have condemned the satanic actions of the Zionist and terrorist state of Israel.
I will only show you this video. You are so wicked and will support this.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHfELvQU8kk
Any one of you Evangelical Christians and Paulus who support the above atrocities will find yourself in hell when you die.
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It’s amazing that we live in a time when the worst of oppressors get away while the entire world is watching and when someone speaks out and says that there needs to be taken serious action (not this symbolic BDS bullshit) then everyone loses their shit.
A country (israhell) can invade one of the most densely populated regions in the world (close to 2 billion people) where the average age is 17 years, keep it occupied, control the amount of CALORIES that can go in, get only a few hours of electricity a day, can refill a limited amount of water few times a week, etc etc etc. But don’t you fucking dare say anything about it. God forbid you take up arms and fight back. The terrorist card is gonna be played. The moronic imbecile cross worshiping pieces of shit on the earth can do nothing but bend over and take it up the *** from a foreign nation that is sucking all the wealth out of pretty much every country on planet fucking earth with their usury money system.
Israhell and everyone that supports that shithole can go fuck themselves.
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Paulus,
Christians are the last people on this planet who have the right to talk about this subject.
Palestinians have all the right to defend their land, farms, and their holy city.
If christians themselves consider the notion of “love your enemy” to be so ridiculous in the real life, why would you think muslims should take that notion seriously?
You should be banned with this mindset that you have for it’s just a mere garbage.
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Thank you. The more we discuss the more we can all see that basically all the commentators on this blog support terrorism and violence. What you guys pretend to be in public is slowly being revealed as we gain access to what is actually taught in the masjid.
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Satan’s lapdog is at it again!
Cerbie, you apparently don’t know the difference between being peaceful and being a pacifist. They are not the same thing. You can be peaceful and yet still believe in the right of people to defend themselves against oppression, with violence with necessary. But no right thinking Muslim would support the killing of innocent people. See, we don’t follow your resting and regretting Canaanite god who demands the blood of children.
By the way, did anyone notice that Cerbie did not provide any source for the headlines given above? The reason is that is most likely taken from MEMRI, which is notorious for its biased reports and deceitful translations of Arabic news.
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I knew I could count on Porky to educate these Muslims. Let me know how you go telling these American imams that self defence violence and martyrdom against Israel apparently works across the ocean! Hahaha
I never knew New Jersey was under occupation from the Jews! Is that in the Koran somewhere?
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ROTFL!!! I knew I could on Cerbie, the neutered dog of Satan, to expose himself as a liar! What was your source for these headlines? Why didn’t you post it? Is it because it is MEMRI, which has been criticized for its mistranslations?
Even if one imam in New Jersey said these things, what about the thousands of others who have criticized Trump and Israel, but who have never called for killing all Jews? But that doesn’t matter right? Because you, as Satan’s lapdog, are not interested in getting the full story.
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Deflection.
So you couldn’t defend your stance just like you can’t defend you moronic garbage called crosstianity.
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Now, now, be easy on poor Cerbie, brother Atlas. It can’t be easy being Satan’s lapdog. Satan places high standards for lying and deceit.
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The only thing predictable is a muhammadan like you being completely illogical. Have you heard of the fallacy “poisoning the well”, little masjidian?
One imam? I cited two in America, one in Egypt and a group of crazed “liberated” muhamamdan Palestinian women.
But you say there are thousands who know better? Who are they? Where are they?
Look I could cite many more- like the violence or calls for violence in Iran, Pakistan or Jordan. Or Lebanon. Or the little children in gaza preaching Jihad in their masjid.
But look, I’m not worried, I’m sure you can educate all these backward Muslims and bring them into your western version of Islam in your mum’s basement. If only they could google like you. Maybe that could be your strategy.
Oh, and why your at it, can you please educate the backward Atlas above? He seems to have gone all jihadi recently
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“notorious for its biased reports and deceitful translations of Arabic news.“
Do you speak and read Arabic Porky? Fluently?
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LOL, Cerbie’s train-wreck keeps getting more and more twisted.
Of course people are angry, and that’s really the only news worthy to report by the media, isn’t it? I went to Friday prayers at my masjid and though the imam talked about the situation in Jerusalem, and what Muslims need to do to end the oppression, he never once said that Jews should be killed. In fact, he always goes to great lengths to make it clear that extremism is just as bad as the oppression of the Zionists. He told us a story about how in 1986, his late uncle went to defend Al-Aqsa mosque when a group of Zionists were trying to march on the site. He mentioned how recently, his uncle’s daughter told him not to worry about the mosque because Palestinians were camped at the mosque to ensure its protection. No calls for violence or killing Jews. Just self-defense and protecting our holy places.
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“Do you speak and read Arabic Porky? Fluently?”
No, but I suppose you do?
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute
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Sorry idiot. Bitchslapping you is just in my genes.
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So you don’t speak arabic but feel confident to insist that someone else is mis-translating a language you don’t speak.
You are nothing but a pawn for the masjid. When will you think for yourself?
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Atlas.
I’m not surprised. You are a muhammadan with an example who bitchslapped aisha. I’d expect nothing less.
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LOL, and you assume that MEMRI must be completely trustworthy, even though experts have criticized it for its bias and deceit You are a lapdog of Satan. When will you think for yourself?
Let me neuter you some more. What is the reaction of the majority of Muslim leaders? Here you go:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Muslim-clerics-criticise-Trump-over-Jerusalem-decision-/1056-4220352-rmga88z/index.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/us-move-to-recognise-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-draws-mixed-reactions-in-singapore
http://aboutislam.net/shariah/special-coverage-shariah/jerusalem-decision-imams/
Hmmm, not much in there about killing Jews. How could that be? There is plenty of criticism of Trump’s decision, and warnings that it will inflame the situation, but no actual calls for Muslims to violently resist. Could that mean that Satan’s lapdog is grasping at straws? Well, who would have thunk it?
Now that you are neutered again, go and rest like your god. You need it.
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“I’m not surprised. You are a muhammadan with an example who bitchslapped aisha. I’d expect nothing less.”
O how lovely! A cross worshiping piece of **** lying his ass off again. The Prophet didn’t hit Aisha EVER.
This bs has been refuted to many times. The Arabic word used in that hadith is ‘lahada’ which means push. The same was used in another hadith where the this happened to another man where upon the man said that caused him pain. The Prophet (saw) responded by saying that wasn’t his intention. Further more Aisha herself bitchslaps you and your ilk with the following hadith:
Allaah’s Messenger (pbuh) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman. (Ibn Majah)
I don’t bitchslap women paulus. I just kill them or send bears after them. I learned that from the greatest comicbook ever written named the bible.
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@Paulus, who has ever said that Islam should be peace to people like you and Zionists? Islam is only peaceful for peaceful people. The Prophet came as a mercy for mankind generally speaking. But for some people the sword is what they have the right for.
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Yes, you radicals want the rest of us to be dhimmis. That’s your version of peace. Sadly for you, Islam is not dominant. You’ll just need to learn to be equal with the rest of us. You’ll need to learn that muhammad and Allah have let you down. You’ll need to learn to be human again. Meanwhile, the ME will continue to use the sword to slaughter their fellow muhammadans
I wish you the best..
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LOL, why should we take the advice of a dog from hell? You don’t have much experience with being “human”, do you?
It doesn’t go unnoticed that you are now avoiding all the topics that you initiated, after getting neutered so badly. Now you are just resorting to making laughable statements which any moronic troll would make. You people are a dime a dozen.
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Paulus what do you think of what the Christians said in the video about how they’re fellow Christians in the U.S are supporting policies that are causing them to suffer rather than helping them?
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Pat
Why would the policies of a foreign ruler cause hardship to a religious minority in a muslim country? Would you justify anti-muslim prejudice due to the actions of ISIS?
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Watch the video and find out, don’t be lazy.
To answer your second question, no i wouldn’t
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Pat
I’m not being lazy. There has to be a sickness in muslim palestinian society that an ancient religious minority that has lived side by side with muslims for centuries is suddenly in danger because of circumstances outside of their control.
If palestinian christians feel endangered, then blame falls entirely on the shoulders of those who are threatening them. Is Trump threatening palestinian christians? Or, are muslims a threat to palestinian christians?
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You clearly didn’t watch the video as they said they considered Palestinian Muslims as their brothers and sisters, closer to them than the U.S evangelicals that endorse the Trump who in turn supports a regime that according to them (not me) is oppressing them.
The sickness seems to be the Israeli regime backed by the U.S, surely such open support can only cause further harm?
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Hmm- I wonder why half of them sounded American? And with a sample size of 5 or 6 it’s a bit hard to comment on what “Christians in Palestine” actually think.
Given the history of palestinian rule over christians, enforcing the dhimmi pact, I’d suggest that the concentration against the Jews is a mere collaboration to redirect persecution from themselves. Numbers of Christians has and continues to fall in the area as they leave the Islamic oppression.
Basically, it’s a very selective video and hardly touches on the oppression of Christians in the area caused by Islamic rule
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Here is further proof that Palestinian Christians are suffering from Israeli rule, including a very interesting comment from the mayor of Bethlehem (the most densely population of Christians in Israel).
“But even when conservative Christians are aware that Palestinian Christians face difficulty, they tend to believe it is exclusively the result of Islamic extremism. As Baboun told me, when she travels abroad, the question she fields most frequently is about the relationship between Muslims and Christians in Bethlehem. But, she says, “I always tell them this is the wrong question. Because we are Palestinians. As Christians and Muslims, we are living under the same pressure to keep on our daily bread, the education of our children, our daily life.”
Please also take note what the article says labout the wall between Israel and Palestine, “The barrier was intended to protect Israeli civilians from terrorist attacks — hundreds of innocent people had died — but it also isolated Palestine and choked off its economic growth.
Bethlehem, and its Christians, have suffered deeply as a result. It’s difficult for local authorities there to ensure access to clean water and maintain basic infrastructure — a situation worsened by the Palestinian Authority’s own endemic graft.”
Are Muslims to blame for all this or the Israeli government(s)? The answer is obvious
Link to the article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/posteverything/wp/2016/12/23/evangelicals-side-with-israel-thats-hurting-palestinian-christians/
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Hey Coco! Where ya been, dancing monkey? What did you find out about menstruation?
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I don’t understand your logic. Muslims were killing innocent people. So a protective wall was built to help civilians. Of course something like that will have consequences. But to blame the Jews for trying to protect its people is hardly logical. Why not blame th people who were actually responsible for needing such infrastructure?
I’m also not sure why you are trying to act as if living in the dhimmi status is a good thing?
“Basing his findings on ten years of research, an Israeli expert on international human rights law has warned that the shrinking Palestinian Christian community could disappear within 15 years due to the threat of Muslim extremism. “The systematic persecution of Christian Arabs living in Palestinian areas is being met with nearly total silence by the international community, human rights activists, the media and NGOs,”
“”To understand the severity of the situation is, let us recall that in the 1950s about 86% of the population of the Bethlehem area was Christian. Today, we are only 12%. In Israel, by contrast, we have 133,000 Christians and the figure is stable. Of course, I am worried about the future of Christians here.” — Samir Qumsieh.”
The only reason some Christian will side with the Muslims is because they have no choice. Can you imagine what would happen if they supported trump? Dead. Immediately. You see, Muslims like to talk about the royhinga Muslims, but seem indifferent to the driving out of Christians from the Middle East. Muslims don’t care about innocent people- they only care about making Islam supreme. And it’s not. And they can’t handle that truth.
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Satan’s lapdog just doesn’t get it.
Lookie here, another quote with no source? Hmmm, I wonder why?
Oh and Cerbie, do you happen to know what the Jewish terrorist groups like the Irgun did to the Arab population in the 1940s? No of course you don’t, nor do you care, because in your mind, Muslims are never victims of violence.
I don’t nor will I ever support Hamas or Islamic Jihad’s terrorist attacks on civilians. In fact, I think they are hurting their cause by doing that. But no one should ever forget that the Israelis committed major atrocities against the Muslim population, so it is no surprise that some of them are so angry. Yes, they are wrong and they should be stopped, but terrorists on the other side need to be stopped as well.
Now go back to worshiping your resting and regretting Canaanite god who orders the murder of children. Maybe when you come back, some one will take you seriously for a change.
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Okay,what Paulus did here was presupposition,
THERE ARE SO MANY Christians siding with Israel,none of their Muslim neighbors come out and say “Im going to kill you”,And not only that,this is called An Ad Populum,adhering to Stereotype and Popular OPINIONS rather than any factual evidence.
I mean back in 1190s in Salahuddeen (RH)’s time,there were so many christians who fought Muslims,Salahuddeen could’ve killed their supporters completely in the kingdom of Jerusalem,but no,he let them go and live on. and till the Israeli occupation All major religions were living peacefully in Jerusalem.
Please give us a bit of a coherent thought.
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Is this a perfect illustration of occupation and invasion? And yet it still stands, unlike the many holy sites that Muslims stole from
Jews and Christians
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The pagan Romans, who are the srevatns of god according to your prophet paul, used to throw the city’s trash in that place untill the real sevrants of Allah (sw) came and cleaned that holy place from your dirty. They brought it back to the children of Abraham where it should belong to.
Stealing and occupation ?!
” They will join forces to swoop down on Philistia to the west. Together they will (ATTACK) and ( PLUNDER) the nations to the east. They will ( OCCUPY) the lands of Edom and Moab and Ammon will obey them” Isaiah 11:4
You cannot get enough of kicking your faces, can you? It’s the bedtime kiddo.
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Hahahaha, Cerbie got neutered again!
Hey Cerbie, what happened to the church of the Holy Sepulcher when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantines?
Oh and what happened to the Jews of Jerusalem when the Muslims conquered it? Oh right, I forgot! There WERE no Jews there, thanks to the pagan Romans and then the Christians!
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Here is more evidence of the Muslims oppressive conquest of Jerusalem:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-religion-jerusalem-church/muslim-holds-ancient-key-to-jesus-tomb-site-in-jerusalem-idUSKBN1DU17Q
Ohhhh, those barbaric Muslims!
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Well, maybe the zionists see you muhammadan’s like the Romans and want to cleanse the ME.
That logic you couldn’t complain against could you?
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Hey Porky long time no snort
I thought I just share this from the article you cited but clearly didn’t read
“Saladin most likely bestowed the guardianship upon the two families in order to assert Muslim dominance over Christianity in the city.“
Just another muhammadan day. But let me guess, the was Allah’s plan to liberate the Christians, right?
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LOL, so nothing substantive to add. Satan’s lapdog apparently enjoys getting neutered.
Actually Cerbie, the Zionists want to create a greater Israel in which there are no Muslims or Christians:
https://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/crimes-against-christianity/
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ROTFL!!! You are so predictable, Cerbie! I had a feeling you would go for that, but then you didn’t the full quote. I wonder why? Here is what it says:
“Historians differ on the roots of the arrangement. Some researchers say Saladin most likely bestowed the guardianship upon the two families in order to assert Muslim dominance over Christianity in the city. It also had financial implications, with a tax from visitors collected at the door.
Documentation, however, only goes back to the 16th century, Joudeh said, displaying dozens of “Fermans”, or royal decrees by rulers of the Ottoman empire, bestowing the key custodianship upon his family. ”
Oops, so Cerbie gets exposed again as a liar for Jesus…I mean Satan. You are Satan’s lapdog, right?
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“maybe the zionists”
The jewish zionists believe that God, whom they don’t believe in to begin with, gave them that land according to a book called Torah which from their perspective has nothing to do with the western values and it’s just a barbaric book.
On the ther hand, the christian zionists who ” love their enemy” believe that jews, whom Jesus considred as brood of vipers and sons of satan, must be given that land, so Jesus can easily return and slay them except 144,000.
This game has been running till now at the expense of a whole nation which has been suffering all that time.
I mean devils can send their children to your school of zionism. No one can defeat you with satanism.
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Paulus,are you gone mad?! they teach THEIR CHILDREN to kill Palestinians!!
How “peaceful”
and as for “Occupation” so Much for Occupation,your Christians were dumping that place. and so were Romans,
Muslims cleaned it,and now Muslims are being blamed for letting your religions live in peace,what a shame.
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Paulus
You said;
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
I say;
God’s Son/son?
Luke 3:38
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the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Paulus, I worship God Himself, not God’s Son/son.
Jesus destroyed peoples tables and chairs when he was not a ruler/head of state/president etc. but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.
Our prophet never raped a child but MARRIED a young woman who has reached the age of marriage that time. Age limit was set recently by some western countries. Before then, people marry young women . Even today some people marry young women. See Donald Trump and his young wife but Evangelical Christians of the USA voted for him(Trump) despite his proclaiming to be dirty and un holy by grabbing young beauty pageants p****.
I, who worship God Himself and you Paulus, who worship not God Himself but God’s Son like Adam, Jesus, Joseph, Moses etc. who will go to hell? I guess the answer is obvious. You will burn in hell fire.
Thanks.
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“but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.”
The obvious problem with this line of reasoning is that Allah also cannot be God because the Koran teaches that Allah gets angry
“The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians). “S. 1:7 Hilali-Khan
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She was six. Muhammad raped her at 9.
You’re a sick pervert and defending this sinfulness will inevitable led you to hell alongside muhammad.
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Paulus
Our prophet MARRIED Ayisha, he did not rape her. Again, age limit, consent etc. laws started in the 1960s, so it was not applicable before then. The age of marriage at that time was puberty.
Muslims do not say anger is sinfulness. It is Christians who say anger is sinfulness i.e. Pastor Ken Temple. That is why I am using it against Jesus Christ. We do not believe anger is sinfulness, so Allah can still be angry and be God because we do not consider anger as sinfulness but Christians do, so Jesus cannot be God.
Thanks.
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Now you are lying for muhammad or extremely ignorant of Christian teaching. Righteous anger is something both Muslims and Christians would agree on. So your objection against Muhammad’s creator is refute.
Aisha was playing with dolls. She would not consent to a dirty old man raping her. You are a vile human to defend such sinfulness
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Judging by Paulus’s logic,our ancestors are all Pedophiles because they followed the Norm of that time.
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Paulus
Do you call Joseph the carpenter, the husband of your God’s mother(Mary), dirty old? Because he was 90+ and yet married the mother of your God at 12 years.
Ayisha consented to our prophet and there was no age limit at that time. Ayisha’s Father, Mother and Family agreed to the marriage. You Paulus do not love Ayisha than her parents who blessed the marriage. I do not think at all, Ayisha’s parents will hand her over to a marriage that will harm her. Since when did you become the spokesman for Ayisha and her family? To be talking on their behalf with regards to her daughters marriage, when they are happy about that? The Father was our prophets best friend and Ayisha became a stateswoman.
Back to topic. Muslims still have the Mosque and its environs in Jerusalem, despite the demonic force of the zionist/Evangelical Christians to put metal detectors, cameras, and narrow gates to control it was disallowed by the Palestinians.
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Paulus
December 17, 2017 • 8:04 am
Now you are lying for muhammad or extremely ignorant of Christian teaching. Righteous anger is something both Muslims and Christians would agree on. So your objection against Muhammad’s creator is refute.
I say;
Reverend Ken Temple told me that, when a child is born, he is angry by crying and demanding things, so that anger is sinful nature and sinfulness that he acquired and needed the blood of Jesus to wash it. The Most Reverend did not tell me anything about “righteous anger” but he kept preaching about anger as sin.
Now, you are preaching about “righteous anger” which means Christians do not know what they preach. They just say things to promote their whims and caprice.
If there is something like “righteous anger”, then the baby is right to be angry when it is hungry and need food because it cannot talk. Why then blame babies as sinners because of their “righteous anger” just like Jesus’s “righteous anger”? So, babies are not sinners but righteous according to Paulus but the Very Reverend Ken will not agree with Paulus and will say babies are sinners because of their anger which they inherited from Adam and Eve. Mary the Mother of Jesus also inherited that anger and passed it to Jesus Christ.
Thanks.
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like usual, you can’t distimguish between nuances in thought. Here is a quick resource on righteous anger. Use your intellect and think about unrighteous anger aswell.
https://www.challies.com/christian-living/3-marks-of-righteous-anger/
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Cerbie is STILL avoiding the topics he initiated after getting so badly embarrassed?! Going of on tangents, eh Cerbie? 😉
You pathetic clowns are so desperate. It seems you are running out of arguments to thrown against Islam, so all you can do is repeat the same old polemics which have been refuted ad nauseum. Whether you like it or not, people were married at a young age, often times to someone much older. And whether you like it or not, it was a common Biblical practice as well, and your god never said anything against it. For example, Isaac was 40 years old when he married Rebekah. How old was she? According to Jewish sources, any where from 3 to 14. I tend to go with the higher age because it seems unlikely that a 3 year old would have the strength to draw water from a well. Any way, here is what the Jewish Encyclopedia states:
“The Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac. The statement of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (i.) and Gen. R. (lvii. 1) that Abraham was informed of Rebekah’s birth when he ascended Mount Moriah for the ‘Aḳedah, is interpreted by some as meaning that Rebekah was born at that time, and that consequently she was only three years old at the time of her marriage. Other rabbis, however, conclude from calculations that she was fourteen years old, and that therefore she was born eleven years before the ‘Aḳedah, both numbers being found in different manuscripts of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (comp. Tos. to Yeb. 61b). The “Sefer ha-Yashar” (section “Ḥayye Sarah,” p. 38a, Leghorn, 1870) gives Rebekah’s age at her marriage as ten years” (www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12610-rebekah).
Now, I know how Cerbie the neutered dog will respond:
1. “Oh well, we don’t use the Rabbinical sources for this information, only what the Bible says.”
To that we can respond by saying it is a historical fact that girls were married off at a young age. Furthermore, there is no reason why the Rabbis would have made up her age. It’s not something to make up. If anything, they would have made her older if there was some controversy about her age being too low. But that was not the case, because it was the norm in all cultures.
2. “We don’t consider Isaac to be a role model for all time, like Muslims believe with Muhammad.”
To that we can respond by simply pointing out that by Cerbie’s own standards, it doesn’t matter if Isaac is a role model or not. By your standards, he was a still a pedophile. Therefore, he is in hell for that, and so will anyone who defends that practice (which is pretty much everyone up until modern times).
So whatever argument Cerbie the neutered dog of Satan wants to bring, he will simply embarrass himself. He has already dug himself into a big hole. But hey, that’s what dogs do! They dig!
Now that you have been neutered again, will you deal with the actual topics of this thread or will you keep running away and going off on tangents? By the way, how is your personal relationship with your resting and regretting Canaanite god?
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We have to give Joel and Samaritan credit on this one. They never support the oppression against Muslims then blame the Muslim victims as Paulus is doing. Joel and Samaritan you are getting away from Satan but Paulus is eating with Satan. He always finds some articles that are neither here nor there to blame the Muslim victims and then praise the terrorists zionist and buddhists. To Paulus, anything Muslim is bad and anything demonic, barbaric, evil against Muslims is good. No wonder he will be in hell with the devil because his heart is black and can’t see any truth with regards to Muslims except everything Islam is bad. That is how the devil think.
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A constant statement I always repeat before men who say they hate me because I am a Muslim is
“Several millions hated Islam and fought against it before you. After centuries of their hatred however, all they have to show for their efforts is the continous growth of Islam. They went to their graves still hating. The religion still continued to be practiced openly after them…… Keep hating, your story will not be any different.
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Honestly,they’re just intellectually dishonest Individuals,Ad Hominems are stained in their comments,even Argument from Ignorance,Presuppositions and constant flaws.
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Brother Intellect, you are giving those dummies too much credit. The fact that they are not commenting does not mean anything other than that they are not commenting. But we all know what they think based on past discussions. They are just as brainwashed as Cerbie is. All three of them are Satan’s children.
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Paulus
Paulus will say exactly, quote exactly, argue exactly how the satanic Evangelical Christians/extreme Zionist Jews who may not be religious Jews say, quote and argue, then blame the victims who are murdered, raped, poisoned(white phosphor), houses demolished, farmland demolished, wall cut off, shoot etc in Myanmar and Israel.
Anyone who supports the above must be prepared to go to hell when he dies. I am glad Joel, Samaratan and most Christians on this blog do not support the above except Paulus with nauseating arguments from the zionist and buddhist terrorists. No sane Christians will believe the zionist and buddhist terrorists except someone without heart like Paulus.
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quranandbibleblog
December 16, 2017 • 4:09 pm
Brother Intellect, you are giving those dummies too much credit. The fact that they are not commenting does not mean anything other than that they are not commenting. But we all know what they think based on past discussions. They are just as brainwashed as Cerbie is. All three of them are Satan’s children.
I say;
Thanks brother Faiz. You know them better than I do because you always have a lengthy engagement with them than I do.
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I think you will find the majority of people, Muslims excluded, support democratic Israel over the terrorists PA. It is only Muslims and their supporters, and only because of theological reasons, not social ones, that support the terrorism of PA. They have repeatedly rejected peace agreements
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Which is why your leaders only talk about the masjid, and not the people, as cited above. They want Allah to be dominant. He isn’t. He failed you and Muslims don’t know what to do but intifada. It’s all about getting the Mosque back not reducing suffering
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Cerbie, you have been exposed as a Satanic liar. No one takes you seriously, even when you try to act like you know what you are talking about. Sorry! 😉
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Paulus
December 16, 2017 • 8:57 pm
I think you will find the majority of people, Muslims excluded, support democratic Israel over the terrorists PA. It is only Muslims and their supporters, and only because of theological reasons, not social ones, that support the terrorism of PA. They have repeatedly rejected peace agreements
I say;
You are sleep walking and seeing what satan has showed you just like your prophet, Paul of Tarsus did
with Satan and do not know the support the Palestinians(Jews, Christians and Muslims) are getting from the world.
1. New York and not in Palestine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLjUcBAleJ0
2. New York and not in Palestine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVHnXn5Ipes
3. Jews against not in Palestine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsLuPE3Zouk
As brother Chocoboy wrote, you will die and go to your grave hating Islam and Muslims like others did before you and Islam and Muslims will continue to grow.
Thanks.
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Awww, poor Cerbie is exposed again as a complete and utter fool! Nice work brother Intellect!
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Paulus
December 16, 2017 • 9:00 pm
Which is why your leaders only talk about the masjid, and not the people, as cited above. They want Allah to be dominant. He isn’t. He failed you and Muslims don’t know what to do but intifada. It’s all about getting the Mosque back not reducing suffering
I say;
The Mosque is still in the hands of Muslims i.e. the waqf of Jordan. Israel is desperate to get the site and build their temple through the help of evangelical Christians of the USA and for more than 50 years they could not dare do that.
Recently, the Palestinians prevented Israelis from taking over the Mosque by refusing metal detectors, cameras and closures of gates. If even Israelis take the Mosque we will get it back as we usually do because the place is for God(Allah) and those who worship the only one true God of Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed etc.
With regards to suffering of the Palestinians(Muslims, Christians and Jews), blame it on Israel who are the occupying force using satanic(demonic) means, money, ipac and to some extent Saudi Arabia.
It will all come to an end as it usually does in sha Allah.
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A satanic liar? Is that kinda like muhammad telling people Allah gave him a verse when it was satan? There is a aperfect example of lying for Satan. From your prophet!! Ha!!
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Paulus
Mark 12:19
Jesus:
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“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mohammed.
“In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone.”
Paulus. Jesus and Mohammed are on the same path here.
Jesus:
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Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
Mohammed:
Quran: 5:72
Sahih International:
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Jesus:
John 20:17
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Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'”
Paulus. You are finished. If you believe in Jesus, then Prophet Mohammed said exactly what Jesus said and so, he cannot be a liar.
What the devil said and cannot be found in the Bible.
-God died
-God is 3 persons 1 God.
-God Jesus is a Son. But God is not Son/son to anyone.
-God is Man. No Jew believed God is man or will become a man.
I have more. So, your Trinitarian religion is lie because Jesus never worshiped himself but worshiped the God of Mohammed, Abraham, Moses etc. whom Jesus said He(God of Mohammed, Abraham etc.) is the only true God who is not Jesus but sent Jesus.
If you fail to understand this, you will burn in hell fire.
Anyway, Muslims are still the custodians of the Mosque in Jerusalem including other small Mosques around it. Israel with all its satanic might could not install metal detectors and cameras there. Only handful of Palestinians prevented them(Israel) from carrying that control of the Mosque and its environs. If your heart is in pain for that, you will die like how Pope Urban III died because Muslims were the custodians of the Mosque and its environs.
Thanks.
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Still avoiding the topics you initiated? Satan’s lapdog is really running now!
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Intellect.
Also from Mark 12 that you cited
“Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven“
Muhammadism teaches contrary.
John 20 which you cited is jesus’ resurrection narrative.
Muhammadism teaches contrary.
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
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Paulus
You said;
Hellfire? Muhammad the murderer, child rapist and false prophet is the inhabitant of that place. And you will follow for rejecting God’s Son and following man made conjecture
I say;
God’s Son/son?
Luke 3:38
New International Version
the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Paulus, I worship God Himself, not God’s Son/son.
Jesus destroyed peoples tables and chairs when he was not a ruler/head of state/president etc. but he has sinfulness(anger) and so he is not God.
Our prophet never raped a child but MARRIED a young woman who has reached the age of marriage that time. Age limit was set recently by some western countries. Before then, people marry young women . Even today some people marry young women. See Donald Trump and his young wife but Evangelical Christians of the USA voted for him(Trump) despite his proclaiming to be dirty and un holy by grabbing young beauty pageants p****.
I, who worship God Himself and you Paulus, who worship not God Himself but God’s Son like Adam, Jesus, Joseph, Moses etc. who will go to hell? I guess the answer is obvious. You will burn in hell fire.
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“A satanic liar? Is that kinda like muhammad telling people Allah gave him a verse when it was satan? There is a aperfect example of lying for Satan. From your prophet!! Ha!!”
And your sources are????
That’s right unreliable sources. But it’s ok, we are used to your shitty ‘logic’. You can’t quote a single reliable source but I supposed you’re used to it cus every single word in your 4 ‘gospels’ that Jesus allegedly uttered can’t be traced back to Jesus. You already rely your soul on unknown potatoes which have no authenticity.
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Paulus used an Ad Populum here,adhering to Popularity,just because the view is widespread,doesn’t make it true
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Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?
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“Honestly,they’re just intellectually dishonest Individuals,Ad Hominems are stained in their comments,“
Hi there my logician. Do you see the irony in your comment above?
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“Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?”
LOL, there goes Cerbie again rehashing old arguments which even western scholars don’t take seriously.
Who said Muslims fabricated this story? What if it was a non-Muslim who wanted to discredit the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? We don’t know the original source of the story. That’s why it is unreliable. Just because Ibn Ishaq mentioned it does not mean Muslims believed the story.
Speaking of “the criterion of embarrassment”, let’s see if you are consistent. We know that “Mark” and “Matthew” were written before “Luke”. In both Mark and Matthew, Jesus’ abuse of a Gentile woman is mentioned, but not in the Gentile Luke’s gospel! Using the “criterion of embarrassment”, can we be certain that Luke was embarrassed by the story and did not want his Gentile readers knowing it, so he left it out of his gospel? What say you, lapdog of Satan. Queue your embarrassment in 5…4…3…2…1…
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“Atlas. Don’t play dumb. It’s a muslim source. A respected source. And based on the criterion embarrassment is true. Your forbears weren’t embarrassed by their prophet like you.
The question you should ask is why would Muslims fabricate stories like that against their prophet?”
You’re a moron Paulus.
So what if it’s a Muslim source?
A respected source? The collector of hadiths might be respected, does that magically give authenticity to every single hadith that the person collected.
Based on the criterion of embarrassment according to the secret gospel of Mark Jesus did unspeakable things. So it must be true right???
Christian sources contain ‘info’ that Christians reject.
Just because it’s a Muslim source doesn’t make it authentic. Islamic sources contain all sorts of hadiths.
And it’s sooo obvious you got this from the crossdressing pervert david wood and/or his ilk.
Many have missing links in the chain of narrators. So if you don’t know who those people are then how can you apply the principle of embarrassment to them? Others say that it wasn’t the Prophet who uttered them but Satan.
As Ibn Kathir states: these reports all come through MURSAL chains of narration and I do not think that any of them may be regarded as Sahih
Go on. Keep quoting bs. You wouldn’t dare apply this low level argument to your own sources.
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I’m calling you intellectually dishonest,because that’s what you exactly are,Ad Hominems are cussing down the man,or cussing against the man,or even just targetting the man instead of his arguments.
Have I ever targetted and cussed at you constantly?
No I have not,I have called you and your arguments intellectually dishonest.
And stop with the labels it wont really help you at all,
you’re just labelling people insulting things,because it makes you feel better about how pitiful your arguments are and how weak and easily refutable they are.
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As for the fabrication of the Satanic verses,
The satanic verses story was taken by Al Tabari,if you knew how Al Tabari researched,even though he was Muslim,his historical book was only showing different views on the subject of the Prophet SAW,he just took all sorts of stories and mashed them together to make his book,it depends on the chain who were lying and who weren’t,and why would Muslims fabricate stories? to fit private beliefs afcourse,you see back in the days,we didnt have a set belief,even though the Quran and Hadith were perfectly set,but the minds of the people weren’t,so many had these contradicting ideas,and these contradicting ideas can be found in the Unauthentic hadiths,whereas the Authentic hadiths,these authentic hadiths came from a chain of narrators,who were students of Companions(r.a) who would have never lied about the prophet SAW.
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Now see this hypocrisy, he tries to say I do the ad hominems,yet he’s the one cussing down our Prophet SAW, and trying to make a assertion and feed it into peoples minds.
None of us have ever cursed at Jesus A.S,so who is the fair one here?
Who is following “Love your enemies” here?
Is it christians?
No it isnt,Paulus is trying to imply that Muslims are supposed to be killed with all of his comments,and we call this Ad Baculum,trying to make the man fear to win an argument, but this is a fallacy,Paulus,would you not agree?
And lets go to many of your other intellectually dishonest arguments,you called our Prophet SAW a rapist,we call your unknown bible author a sick minded man,for he has falsely attributed such things to God
“Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'”(Exodus 32:27)
Is this your Jesus? because according to your trinity,Jesus is the one saying this,but wait you say Jesus is full of love,then how come he can command such in the Old testament?
Now dont tell me “God was strict back then”
No this argument just does not work,because your Bible says God cannot change
“I,The LORD donot Change”(Malachi 3:6)
Now this isnt the only problem with Christianity,let us assume Trinity is true,your own Bible comes in error too then
For example,in John in one place Jesus says “God and I are one”(John 10:30) then he says “God is greater than I”(John 14:28)
And then even more and more contradictions come,infact your Own Bible has a history of change
as seen in here
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-versions-and-translations/absent-from-codex-sinaiticus-oldest-new-testament/
Now how come all of this is missing?
Your Bible isnt even in its original language and form,
The author is unknown.
There are several problems in it.
Like Contradictions and re-translations in which changes occured,the Bible doesnt have its true translation or even its true text anymore,
HOW CAN YOU SAY,THE BIBLE IS RELIABLE??
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Mr Logician.
You’ve committed the common mistake of defending Muhammad’s actions by appeal to God’s. In Muslim terms you’ve committed shirk.
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You just commited a strawman,I said if the trinity were true,your own book would have problems,I don’t see how I called Jesus God,so stop with the strawman
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See how Paulus tries to escape the argument with a simple mock towards our religion,it seems he can’t refute my points against his Bible.
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Also not to mention,Your mindset,Paulus is very comparable to ISIS,in both,a person is allowed to be killed,according to ISIS,you can kill Non Muslims,according to you Muslims can be killed,no matter how much you try to escape them,you have a mindset like them.
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Mr Logician.
You defended Muhammad’s actions by appealing to God’s actions. That is shirk. If you don’t think that text applies to God, then your citation of it is redundant. Either way, your point is worthless
Refute your points? Ok, sure. Two natured Christology and divine accomodation. Jesus can be both equal to the Father in essence but subject to him in earthly purpose. Ironically, it was you who created the false equivalence to fabricate a claim of contradiction.
I get the feeling you are new to this since you think an illogical old Islamic polemic is rational and convincing. Typical muhammadan
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How can you make sense of that? Equal in essence,yet he doesn’t know the end time,and changes,yet God never changes in his essence, but somehow, He(Jesus) is somehow different aswell,this just made Two different Gods in your Bible,and please stop with the strawmanning and assertions,and even red herrings,your first argument is irrelevant. it does not matter,you believe this(The Bible) is Gods word,not me.
As for your second statement,again Strawman and Red herring,first of All,no Muslim worships Muhammad SAW,you wont find one,and the argument is irrelevant.
Seriously,does this guy ever stop using fallacies? he just comes to get embarrassed over and over,and starts to cuss down the man once refuted.
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“Then your citation of it is redundant” thats a “Genetic Fallacy” just because I’m not Christian or disbelieve in Christianity does not make my citation redundant,you’re the one thats assuming my argument is false because I’m not christian,even though I provided sufficient verses. yet your refutation against it causes a Cognitive dissonance, and infact you caused a tu quoque aswell,you ignored all my verses,everything,and then went on a fit.
Infact,where in the bible does it say “earthly essence” what?? It never says that in any of the verses,and nor in the interpretations,so this is a missing Data fallacy.
I have literally read through all you said once more,and none of my questions,literally not ONE has been answered at all. what about the evil your Lord has done that YOU believe in,not us Muslims?
what about the fact Gods essence cannot change? I wonder..
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“you’re the one thats assuming my argument is false because I’m not christian”
I did no such thing. You’ve ironically created a strawman for the genetic fallacy.
What is did do is say that you defended Muhammad (a man) by appealing to God. You did this by citing a verse from the tanakh. I have no problem with the verse. God is God. But you can’t compare Muhammad’s actions to God’s. That is shirk. Now you seem to be pretending that you didn’t cite the verse as a defence for Muhammad’s actions.
“what about the evil your Lord has done that YOU believe in,not us”
Do you know what fallacy you committed here, Mr Logician? I’d happily discuss the *possibility* of such things being “evil”, but of course you are fallacious to assume such into the question.
“Infact,where in the bible does it say “earthly essence” what?? It never says that in any of the verses,and nor in the interpretations,so this is a missing Data fallacy.”
Oh dear…I never said “earthly essence”? I said “earthly purpose”. Go back and check. I guess you might be the one guilty of this “missing data fallacy”.
“I have literally read through all you said once more”
Clearly, not very well…
“literally not ONE has been answered at all”
Hmm…what fallacy are you guilty of now, Mr Logician? I demonstrated that your citation of GJohn was based on a false equivalence. I also demonstrated that your citation of the tanakh in defense of Muhammad was shirk. You’ve admitted such by protesting about God’s essence and the evil actions of God.
Perhaps if you have a direct, clear question, you could ask it, without pretending to be a logician and making numerous illogical points along the way
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LOL, Beez Games, I see you have become acquainted with our resident loon Paulus/Cerbie. Yes, this is how this neutered dog of hell operates. He avoids all arguments against his foolish religion and makes all sorts of fallacies instead to excuse the horrible things his pagan Canaanite god ordered. It just goes to show that hypocrisy is the fruit of Christianity. Rape of virgins? Well, it’s okay if God allowed it. But the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (ra) with the blessing of her parents and completely with her agreement? And even though it was the norm in ALL cultures (including Biblical culture)? Oh how horrible, that’s child abuse! Such is the logic of the trinitarian pagans.
Hey Cerbie, how’s your resting and regretting god? I would bet that he he is regretting having you as his representative on this blog! Hahahahaha!
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Okay now I understood your saying,your argument on Earthly purpose and essence still does not make sense,why? because in Jesus’s Essence he wasn’t God neither,he was lesser than God,as he said,everything he had was by God,not him.
as per the verse:
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As for you saying I straw manned you,No I did not,you said I did not believe in the Christian God,but in Muhammad SAW,and you assumed my argument was false,because I believe in Muhammad SAW,and therefore you still commited a genetic fallacy.
and you again ignored the question and commited a tu quoque. Please give a clear answer.
I have commited only one fallacy I admit,but the rest of the fallacies you “think” I did,are made up Fallacies,therefore by assuming my question is a fallacy you commited a “fallacy fallacy”,I’m speaking from your Christian view, and you use supressed proof,to ignore my argument and focus on Islam,this is shifting the burden of proof,all you have done so far about Islam is make assumptions and assertions.
Your Jesus was not God at all,not even in the spiritual essence,as demonstrated by these verses
John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
He was a slave to God
John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me
So I dont see ANY indication of Jesus being God at all. not in Spiritual essence,nor in Earthly Purpose,Spiritually he was a Human,only a human who God made,
So where did you get the assumption that Jesus was different only on Earthly purpose? and where did you get the assumption of Spiritual essence? these aren’t biblical arguments,therefore your argument is a false argument, and a False Premise. therefore since there was absolutely no mention of anything like this in the Bible,nor the Tanakh.
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Again,the thing you said at first,how can My argument be false? if God is God,that gives your God,not ours, this is your God,it gives no excuse to your God to break promises,your Bible said “Love your enemies” your Bible said “God is all Good” yet in the end of the day,your Bible also says,God killed little children,animals,and innocent men and women,so how can we say this God is all Good? it must infact be Satan instead of God,for God would have never ordered such a thing,in this case our Prophet SAW,and OUR God,Allah SWT were more merciful,for Muhammad SAW could’ve destroyed all nations around him,but he chose not to and said “perhaps their Children will believe”,he only attacked those nations which attacked him,he only attacked those nations which planned to attack him,not any other nation
Whereas in the Bible,for little Things your God wants to Kill innocents for it,and tear our Babies from Pregnant women,how is this justified if God is all Good? your God basically promotes Barbarism and Abortion,and on top of that Sexual language and profanity,have you read the Song of Songs? is this your “All Good” God?
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http://www.texemarrs.com/112006/jesus_took_kingdon.htm
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Paulus
December 19, 2017 • 12:14 am
Why? Don’t you worship allah alone? Why then, would you be upset about me criticizing a mere human?
I say;
Jesus is a man or half man. Criticize the man part of Jesus first when he destroy peoples property, insult a woman dog and lied that he will be in Jerusalem etc. before criticizing other prophets of God.
Thanks.
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correction http://www.texemarrs.com/112006/jesus_took_kingdom.htm
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Why hasn’t the dirty paulus been blocked yet? Why is he allowed to inslut the prophet pbuh here? Throw that dolt to any garbage out of here.
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Don’t you worship Allah alone? Why are you worried about muhammad? Your
Muhammadism is really showing…
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Your dirty is really disgusting, and you need to be thrown in any garbage. Garbage is the right place for you.
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Why? Don’t you worship allah alone? Why then, would you be upset about me criticising a mere human?
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Paulus
You worship Jesus- a man. Why blame us for not worshiping Prophet Mohammed who happens to be a man like Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc. because they were all sent by the ONLY TRUE GOD who is not Jesus but sent Jesus?
Proof:
John 17:3
New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Paulus, I am sorry, if you worship the prophet of God who is a man, we Muslims do not worship Prophet Mohammed and he said several times that, he(Mohammed) is not God and he must not be worshiped.
It is disingenuous on your part to equate our RESPECT of our prophet as worship.
Jews respect David, Solomon, Moses etc. Do you think they worship God and worship their prophets?
Thanks.
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