God has put this innate belief in us that a man is not God. We can experience this in everyday life, if we look down the road and see a crowd of people NONE of us thinks God could be one of the people in that crowd.
So for people who believe in any incarnation (not just the Christian Trinitarian version) there’s a huge cognitive dissonance kicking in. Why would God put this very natural instinct in rejecting humans as God if he really wanted us to believe Jesus p was Divine? The truth is, God does not want us to believe in a mangod/godman idea.
I seriously hope the sincere Trinitarians can reflect on this.
I like this type of topic. I mentioned to Christians that, every Person/person is a Being/being. Be it human being, Angelic being, Satanic Being, Spiritual Being etc.
An Angel cannot be man and a man cannot be an angel because they were created DIFFERENTLY i.e. with smokeless fire and with mud or clay respectively by the Only, One and Alone God of Abraham. I mean God of Abraham who is One, Alone and One and nothing besides Him.
Now, if Trinitarians believe their God is 3 Persons/persons and every Person/person is a Being, then they(Christians) are indeed worshiping 3 Beings/beings as my friend madmanna accepts to worship 3 Beings/beings in 1 God. I do not know where he got that, because there is no 3 Beings/beings 1 God in the whole Bible including the so called gnostic gospels.
Worshiping 3 Beings/beings 1 God or 3 Persons/persons 1 God is Paganism and/or idolatry and is punishable in hell fire if the worshiper does not repent and start worshiping 1 and only God of Abraham who is alone before the 3 beings worshiper dies.so
Why so?
Because the Bible said worshiping multiple Beings is polytheism and/or idolatry because that one God(Divine Being) is a jealous God and that He alone must be worshiped.
Some proof;
1.”You alone [bad], Lord, is God.” Isaiah 37:20
2.”there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
3.”Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
4.”Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
5.”See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
1.”Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
6.”You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
7.”For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
8.”Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
1.”since indeed God is one [hen]” Romans 3:30
2.”to the only [monos] wise God, Amen.” Romans 16:27
3.”there is no God but one [hen]” 1 Corinthians 8:4
I have more verses but I want you to show me only one verse that that Jesus said he is God, and I do not want “he accepts worship” because that did not say he is God. Where does it say God is 3 Persons/persons in 1 God, clearly as the above. The reason why the above verse are so clear and unequivocal is that God is sincere to be clear on who He wants us to believe He is but not some councils decided by men or Paul of Tarsus who is not a disciple of Jesus but saw him in vision. Jesus might have said this important thing of salvation himself but not in a vision to someone.
God the Father=Person/person= Divine/Spiritual Being
God the Son=Person/person=Divine Being/Human Being
God the Holy Spirit=Person/person=Divine/Spiritual/ Being
So, Trinitarians are worshiping 3 Beings and they are either 3 divine beings or a combinations of human/spiritual/divine beings each with his own consciousness and intellect, and that is why Jesus Christ did not know the day of judgement on EARTH but forgave sins on EARTH, raise the dead on EARTH etc.
Jesus Christ is not the same as the Father, and the Father is God and God is 1, alone and only said the Bible and so Jesus is not God. No Christian on the surface of this earth can deny this unless he just wants to follow a blind faith and be stubborn. In the day of judgement their is no stubbornness because the intellect that you had which the donkey did not have was not provided to you for nothing. Once again, Jesus Christ is not God at all and he never said so. Depending on he accepts worship, the Jew took stones to throw at him, he is alpha and omega etc. which are not clear and is not plain like the above verses of God is one for your salvation is not a wise thing to do and it is stubbornness and must be stopped right now before it is too late.
I am one person and Mr. Temple is One person but we are 1 in bloggingtheology, does that mean I am Mr. Temple? of course no, I am not Mr. Temple and can never be Mr. Temple and we are counted as 2 and not 1 because we are 1 in blogggingtheology.
Mr. Temple countered to my argument and said because I am a human being, I cannot compare my self to God who cannot be counted like me and him(Mr. Temple). I laughed and told Mr. Temple that, “you said Jesus a Man is God and God/Man” did you not compared God to Man? to the extent of saying that God became Man? and part of Him(God) is 100% Man?
Mr. Temple, you can compare God to man and say he became man and part of Him(God) is 100% man but accuse me of comparing God to man?
I am not comparing God to man, but trying to tell you to stop comparing God to man because it is impossible and to do that I have to assume the way you think like “God is 3 Persons/person”. If you count 3 Persons/persons Mr. Temple are you not comparing your God to man? of course that is the centre believe of the Trinitarians, to compare God to man and say He has a part that is 100% man.
madmanna, and Mr. Temple, this is a bait to you to stop that idol(man) worship or answer my concerns,. If you are men, answer me, why are you worshiping Persons/persons who are 3 with each having his own consciousness and/or intellect and constitutes of 3 divine/human beings?
God has put this innate belief in us that a man is not God. We can experience this in everyday life, if we look down the road and see a crowd of people NONE of us thinks God could be one of the people in that crowd.
So for people who believe in any incarnation (not just the Christian Trinitarian version) there’s a huge cognitive dissonance kicking in. Why would God put this very natural instinct in rejecting humans as God if he really wanted us to believe Jesus p was Divine? The truth is, God does not want us to believe in a mangod/godman idea.
I seriously hope the sincere Trinitarians can reflect on this.
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Yahya,
Exactly.
You just have hit the nail on it’s head.
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I like this type of topic. I mentioned to Christians that, every Person/person is a Being/being. Be it human being, Angelic being, Satanic Being, Spiritual Being etc.
An Angel cannot be man and a man cannot be an angel because they were created DIFFERENTLY i.e. with smokeless fire and with mud or clay respectively by the Only, One and Alone God of Abraham. I mean God of Abraham who is One, Alone and One and nothing besides Him.
Now, if Trinitarians believe their God is 3 Persons/persons and every Person/person is a Being, then they(Christians) are indeed worshiping 3 Beings/beings as my friend madmanna accepts to worship 3 Beings/beings in 1 God. I do not know where he got that, because there is no 3 Beings/beings 1 God in the whole Bible including the so called gnostic gospels.
Worshiping 3 Beings/beings 1 God or 3 Persons/persons 1 God is Paganism and/or idolatry and is punishable in hell fire if the worshiper does not repent and start worshiping 1 and only God of Abraham who is alone before the 3 beings worshiper dies.so
Why so?
Because the Bible said worshiping multiple Beings is polytheism and/or idolatry because that one God(Divine Being) is a jealous God and that He alone must be worshiped.
Some proof;
1.”You alone [bad], Lord, is God.” Isaiah 37:20
2.”there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
3.”Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
4.”Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
5.”See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
1.”Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
6.”You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
7.”For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
8.”Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
1.”since indeed God is one [hen]” Romans 3:30
2.”to the only [monos] wise God, Amen.” Romans 16:27
3.”there is no God but one [hen]” 1 Corinthians 8:4
I have more verses but I want you to show me only one verse that that Jesus said he is God, and I do not want “he accepts worship” because that did not say he is God. Where does it say God is 3 Persons/persons in 1 God, clearly as the above. The reason why the above verse are so clear and unequivocal is that God is sincere to be clear on who He wants us to believe He is but not some councils decided by men or Paul of Tarsus who is not a disciple of Jesus but saw him in vision. Jesus might have said this important thing of salvation himself but not in a vision to someone.
God the Father=Person/person= Divine/Spiritual Being
God the Son=Person/person=Divine Being/Human Being
God the Holy Spirit=Person/person=Divine/Spiritual/ Being
So, Trinitarians are worshiping 3 Beings and they are either 3 divine beings or a combinations of human/spiritual/divine beings each with his own consciousness and intellect, and that is why Jesus Christ did not know the day of judgement on EARTH but forgave sins on EARTH, raise the dead on EARTH etc.
Jesus Christ is not the same as the Father, and the Father is God and God is 1, alone and only said the Bible and so Jesus is not God. No Christian on the surface of this earth can deny this unless he just wants to follow a blind faith and be stubborn. In the day of judgement their is no stubbornness because the intellect that you had which the donkey did not have was not provided to you for nothing. Once again, Jesus Christ is not God at all and he never said so. Depending on he accepts worship, the Jew took stones to throw at him, he is alpha and omega etc. which are not clear and is not plain like the above verses of God is one for your salvation is not a wise thing to do and it is stubbornness and must be stopped right now before it is too late.
I am one person and Mr. Temple is One person but we are 1 in bloggingtheology, does that mean I am Mr. Temple? of course no, I am not Mr. Temple and can never be Mr. Temple and we are counted as 2 and not 1 because we are 1 in blogggingtheology.
Mr. Temple countered to my argument and said because I am a human being, I cannot compare my self to God who cannot be counted like me and him(Mr. Temple). I laughed and told Mr. Temple that, “you said Jesus a Man is God and God/Man” did you not compared God to Man? to the extent of saying that God became Man? and part of Him(God) is 100% Man?
Mr. Temple, you can compare God to man and say he became man and part of Him(God) is 100% man but accuse me of comparing God to man?
I am not comparing God to man, but trying to tell you to stop comparing God to man because it is impossible and to do that I have to assume the way you think like “God is 3 Persons/person”. If you count 3 Persons/persons Mr. Temple are you not comparing your God to man? of course that is the centre believe of the Trinitarians, to compare God to man and say He has a part that is 100% man.
madmanna, and Mr. Temple, this is a bait to you to stop that idol(man) worship or answer my concerns,. If you are men, answer me, why are you worshiping Persons/persons who are 3 with each having his own consciousness and/or intellect and constitutes of 3 divine/human beings?
Thanks.
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