The clash between the original teachings of Jesus & later Christianity is most starkly demonstrated by Jesus unitary monotheism: Mark 12:29.

And Jesus answered him,

“The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord”



Categories: Bible, Christianity, God

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  1. Except Jesus and other first century Jews weren’t Unitarian ergo stop committing eisegesis with your Islamic bias and error (see bauckham)

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  2. But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”

    And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

    And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.~mark 14

    – Jesus is the I AM
    – Jesus invokes Daniels divine prophecy
    – Jesus is accused of blasphemy by the High priest

    Conclusion : he was not a Unitarian

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  3. Explain to me how this is an argument.

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    • Its not an argument, more like clear statements of scripture expressed by Jesus. There is no ambiguity (thus,no need to argue)in what Jesus meant, the problem arises when “post biblical trinitarianism is read back into the scriptures”! YHWH OUR GOD IS ONE YHWH! The Hebrew Scriptures proclaimed it, Jesus proclaimed it…Full stop, done deal.

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    • I agree with you. I just want to hear Mr. Williams say it himself. Jesus was a monotheist therefore Christianity is false. Makes no sense. Monotheism doesn’t mean Unitarianism. In fact when one reads the OT, its obvious that its not a Unitarian document.

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  4. Here is a Challenge to Christians: Prove that the Historical Jesus (in his human form) believed and preached the Trinity. You can not. Why? Because there is not a single statement that Jesus uttered which was even remotely Trinitarian. Mark 12: 29 does not say: ”Hear Oh Israel: The Lord thy God is One Being and Three Persons”. Why not, exactly? Jesus should have proclaimed the Trinitarian formula, but he did not. Instead, he re-affirmed Monotheism. Yes, we exclude Trinitarianism from Monotheism by definition because it is Polytheism pure and simple.

    Jesus never claimed to be the second person of the Trinity. Question: Why Not? Was he a Mute? Because as Bart Ehrman declares ”he was a Jewish Prophet” a historical reality affirmed by Islam. I know it hurts the Trinitarians, but believe me, Hell will hurt far more. Just continue to stay blind until Death overtakes you!

    Did Moses worship the Trinity? Answer: NO! So who/what/how may God(s) did he worship?

    He worshipped the One True God in Deuteronomy 6: 4 שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יהוה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יהוה אֶחָד

    It mentions nothing of ”One Being Three Persons” and neither allows for it. How do we know? Because the Hebrew word used is “אֶחָד” which is identical to the word “أَحَدٌ” used in Sura 112 Surah Ikhlas (Al-Tawhid or Monotheism) in Quran.

    Arabic: قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ – Say He is Allah the One

    This is clearly severe and absolute monotheism, excluding everything else, including the Trinity!

    1=1 NOT 3 in 1 understand?

    If x+x+x=3x NOT 1X understand?

    Moses worshipped 1 God. So did Jesus 1 God. They never spoke of the Trinity or gave anything of this strange creed. When the Israelites met God at Mt SInai, did they Meet The Trinity? Really? Christians are the ONES worshipping the Foreign God!!!

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    • Moses, David and Jesus all worshiped God as Father, something your Arab prophet denied. It isMuhammads teaching that inconsistent with the former prophets

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    • Moses, David and Jesus worshipped God as Father meaning they Worshipped a Single Person, the Father which means what? That they were UNITARIANS!! Unitarians are those that worship God as 1 Person, such as Muslims. So thanks for Disproving the Trinity.

      They worshipped God as a singular person, so meaning 1 Being 1 Person. So when Jesus repeats the Shema Mark 12: 29 he re-affirms Unitarianism, thereby rejecting anything else, including the Trinity. And this also means the More Persons you add you get more Beings!

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  5. This Video Proves that Jesus was a Unitarian Monotheist.

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  6. Paul Williams here is an excellent website destroying the Trinity completely. Please make use of it! Trust me, it is amazing!

    http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity.html

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  7. Hi guys
    I was wondering about this text in Mark 12:29-31

    Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
    Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
    Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

    Verse 29 is not a commandment “The Lord our God is one Lord” this reveals something to us about God, but it not a commandment

    Why do Muslims are use this part of the verse to try proof their case for ONE God I would like to know how they truly relate to their God that has no gender.

    Can any Muslim out explain that for I do honestly what to know.

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  8. @simple123site,

    “. Mark 12: 29 does not say: ”Hear Oh Israel: The Lord thy God is One Being and Three Persons”. Why not, exactly? Jesus should have proclaimed the Trinitarian formula, but he did not. Instead, he re-affirmed Monotheism. Yes, we exclude Trinitarianism from Monotheism by definition because it is Polytheism pure and simple.”

    The bible does not express the truth of the trinity in the form of an abstract formula using the words being and person. The closest to this I believe would be the trinitarian formula of 1 John 5 v 7, and these three are one.

    The trinity should and can be believed and understood using the plain and clear statements of the bible. Your argument is a straw man and argument from silence.

    The statement “one being and three persons” cannot fully and accurately describe the triune nature of God’s being anyway. It would just result in paradox. It is just an approximation in response to the heretical formulations of the nature of God’s being which the church apparently found necessary to counter. So in order to do this it was forced to use the same terms of the heretics to rebut their arguments.

    The trinity however does not stand or fall on any non-biblical statements or creeds. Only those who cannot accept the plain and clear teaching of the bible on this attempt to use non-biblical language to undermine it.

    In my view it’s a mistake to equate Jehovah of the OT with the Father. Jehovah of OT is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    In the OT Jehovah does not identify himself as Father by nature but only by covenant relation with Israel, i.e. through adoption.

    Ironically the only one in the OT who identifies himself prophetically by name as Father is Jesus, the Messiah of Isaiah 9 v. 6, the Everlasting Father:

    6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    The Unitarians / Muslims cannot explain why the Jews would want to stone the Unitarian Jesus who was an orthodox believer in the Shema.

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    • Hi simple123site
      Let me get this straight you say my comments are non-sensical right?

      V30 is the first commandment V31 is the second commandment.

      Well what does “The Lord our God is one Lord” mean?

      Please answer me this question because no Muslim has at present done so.

      Jesus said this.

      Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

      How is this going to take place by the spirit? How is Jesus and the Father going to live in a person?

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    • “The trinity should and can be believed and understood using the plain and clear statements of the bible.”

      OK so where does the Bible clearly say God is a Trinity of persons each co-equal with the others?

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  9. The doctrinal statements regarding the nature of God of the inspired and preserved bible, the kjv, taken together, and sometimes by themselves, eg. 1 John 5 v 7, affirm clearly the doctrine of the trinity.

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  10. What is the bible Paul? Where is it? How can you argue about what the bible teaches anyway? You can only approach the question from what the Koran affirms anyway. So really we are arguing about what the koran teaches about something, the bible, which has no fixed or absolute existence in your view, except where it agrees with the koran.

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    • “You can only approach the question from what the Koran affirms anyway.”

      Says who? I approach it from several different perspectives, including Biblical scholarship which has proven that the Bible is corrupted.

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  11. We could start with the simple and clear statements that Jesus is God, for example Romans 9 v 5, Titus 2 v 13.

    John 1 v 1 the Word is God, Hebrews 1 that the Son is God. Phillipians that Jesus is in the form of God.

    Have an open mind Paul, lay aside your prejudice if you can. Easier said than done.

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    • those verses (what have variants that do not say Jesus is God) do not say that God is three persons. You have failed to produce any evidence. Please try again – if you can.

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    • Hi Paul
      Peter said that lying to the Holy Ghost was lying to God.

      Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
      Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

      According to these verses is the Holy Ghost God?

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  12. Hi Paul
    Let’s look at a Jewish source about the word of God.

    We need at the Memra of God or rather the word of God.

    T. Deuteronomy 4:7…For what people so great, to whom the Lord is so high in the Name of the Word of the Lord? But the custom of (other) nations is to carry their gods upon their shoulders, that they may seem to be nigh them; but they cannot hear with their ears, (be they nigh or) be they afar off; but the Word of the Lord sits upon His throne high and lifted up, and hears our prayer what time we pray before Him and make our petitions. (Targum Jonathan)

    Looks at the book of Genesis and the Memra.

    Whenever the Targum orators came to passages where Yhvh is anthropomorphic (visible to humans) or where two or more Yhvhs are indicated by the text, the Turgemen often substituted “The Word of the Lord” for one of the Yhvhs.

    For example in Gen. 19:23-24 the Tanakh has:

    ● As the sun rose upon the earth and Lot entered Zoar, Yhvh rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yhvh out of heaven. (WHV)

    The Hebrew grammar here indicates that one Yhvh rained fire from another Yhvh who was up in heaven. The Targum substitutes “The Word of Yhvh” for the first of the two Yhvhs as follows:

    T. And the Word of Yhvh caused to descend upon the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah, brimstone and fire from the Yhvh in heaven. (Targum Jonathan)

    Is the word of YHVH equalled to YHVH?

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  13. Hi Paul
    I have given you evidence of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost raising Jesus from the dead.
    Let’s be honest why are all three involved in the resurrection?

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  14. Hi simple123site.

    You said this a few days ago…
    Here is a Challenge to Christians: Prove that the Historical Jesus (in his human form) believed and preached the Trinity. You can not. Why? Because there is not a single statement that Jesus uttered which was even remotely Trinitarian. Mark 12: 29 does not say: ”Hear Oh Israel: The Lord thy God is One Being and Three Persons”. Why not, exactly? Jesus should have proclaimed the Trinitarian formula, but he did not. Instead, he re-affirmed Monotheism.

    Jesus didn’t come to preach about the trinity he came to die for the sins of the world, of which he said a lot about.

    You quote Bart Erhman and he believes what the gospel say about Jesus and that is he was crucified.

    Targums are very old Aramaic translations of the Hebrew bible. They were authoritative, and spoken aloud in the synagogues along with the Hebrew of the Torah and Haftarah readings.

    Furthermore according to the following verse of scripture how many JHVH are there?

    (I sent this to Paul)

    For example in Gen. 19:23-24 the Tanakh has:

    ● As the sun rose upon the earth and Lot entered Zoar, Yhvh rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yhvh out of heaven. (WHV)

    The Hebrew grammar here indicates that one Yhvh rained fire from another Yhvh who was up in heaven. The Targum substitutes “The Word of Yhvh” for the first of the two Yhvhs as follows:

    T. And the Word of Yhvh caused to descend upon the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah, brimstone and fire from the Yhvh in heaven. (Targum Jonathan)

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