“three divine persons are three gods – two dudes and a bird. Look at all the pictures, are all the Christian painters for centuries irrational lunatics?” – wrote Burhanuddin1 on this blog.
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Blogging Theology 
Salam, I know you don’t like their belief but..
God (Exalted be He) says (translation):
“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge” (Qur’an 6:108)
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how is it insulting? There are two men and a bird – a typical Christian depiction of their beliefs. This is a painting by a Christian. There are thousands like it in galleries and churches all over the world. Unless you think that merely depicting their beliefs by their own artists is inherently insulting to God?
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Your title seems insulting.
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Marvin Henry I am sorry you feel that way. The title is an accurate, albeit demotic, description of the picture.
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To me at least.
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Salam muslimtheology, As muslim you think what title is suitable? Those two humanly depiction clearly isnt God nor His prophet… God Azza Wajall is nothiing like Him, and we dont have a photograph of prophet Isa Alayhissalam
Dudes are quite friendly term
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@muslimtheology Of course it is offensive. Your friends´ hatred for Christianity is embarrassing, and the fact that they claim to express their hatred “as Muslims” gives a bad image of Islam. I pray that God relieves them of their hatred.
@burhanuddin So, who is “irrational lunatic” ? Just one person (you) or “all the Christian painters for centuries” ? On probability grounds alone, most people will have no trouble sorting this out.
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@ Marvin Henry – This was a comment in response to “Robert Wells”, who accused me of holding an irrational position …
No need to get personal or general insinuation – like “hatred for Christianity”
Read the context. I do not mean the painters are “irrational lunatics”, on the contrary. No, their depiction of “three gods” is a perfectly rational and natural expression of understanding the “Trinity-concept” in artistic form.
I must admit though the term “lunatic” is maybe too strong and misleading.
Do all the Christian painters hold an irrational position, when they depict the Trinity as three “gods”?
A picture is worth a thousand words
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and Marvin Henry, thanks for the insult
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Lol
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Mr. Henry
You said;
@muslimtheology Of course it is offensive. Your friends´ hatred for Christianity is embarrassing, and the fact that they claim to express their hatred “as Muslims” gives a bad image of Islam. I pray that God relieves them of their hatred.
@burhanuddin So, who is “irrational lunatic” ? Just one person (you) or “all the Christian painters for centuries” ? On probability grounds alone, most people will have no trouble sorting this out.
I say;
This blog is a good blog for anyone to defend his religion especially Islam and Christianity. Words like irrational. illogical, lies, etc. is not “hatred for Christianity” but part of the brainstorm here. Christian do call our prophet liar who borrowed stories from Jewish and Christian scriptures, Christians blame our prophet for marrying a young woman, Sam Shamoun continue insult to our religion in that Islam is a false religion from a false prophet is said here on this blog.
What the Muslims here do is to try to counter with corrections to the extent that now most Christians know it is baseless to accuse our prophet of marrying a young wife because the Jews and the Christians at his time blamed him for other things but not on his marriage to Ayesha, so the Jews and Christians at that time have seen nothing wrong about that and it will be illogical for Christians of this day to use it as attack and most Christians now have stopped that attack and Dr. James White had said that attack is baseless. All this is through dialog and we are able to achieve this understanding.
If something is said about Christianity and you feel it is not true, do not get tired, continue to defend it over and over and do not leave it to Ken Temple alone who continues to defend his religion without getting tired over this recent years.
I am not tired, and I work with computers and internet, so at my free time I just scan this blog to see if I have to defend my religion. Talking about hatred, have you been reading Robert Wells comments? who declared his hatred for Islam on this blog? I and others have engaged with him for the past months to correct his erroneous thinking about Islam from war, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Crusades, Spain, slavery, Holy Land and so many topics and I hope we have enlightened him in some ways.
Still he(Robert Wells) hatred for Islam is not yet on the decline because he does not capitalize Allah and I always try to convince him to respect that name because that is what Jews and Arab Christians use as their God together with Muslims but he has still refused to listen to my plea. I even referred him to Jesus who called his God Allaha when on the cross.
Robert Wells who declared his open hatred to Islam and Muslims has refused to respect our Creator, but we are still dialoguing with him trying to enlighten him. That is a pure hatred towards Islam but not brainstorming to prove Jesus is not God but man. The later is just brainstorming but not hatred for Christianity.
Thanks.
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Marvin Henry
What Christian ministers, priests and pastors will never tell their congregations about the gospels..
The above is a recent post on this blog. A Christian said Allah lied may Allah forbid. I and Eric pointed his mistake and clearly refute him(the Christian) that Allah did not lie.
I urge all Christians who are reading to continue to dialog and do not leave every thing to Ken Temple alone who is trying like we are trying to prove our religion is the right one and we learn a lot in the process.
Thanks
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Lol and yet Allah is still not a person and still not a god lol
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Why is God not a person Bobby?
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To Paul and everyone else on this thread, it seems as though someone has been impersonating my identity. I am the real Marvin Henry. Paul since you are the administrator you can easily check by looking at the name of the emails and comparing it with the last thing that I commented on. I’m pretty sure this impersonator doesn’t know what my email is so you can easily tell that he/she is a fraud if you check. When I was last on this site I complimented Adil for his interesting article a few weeks ago. Since then I haven’t said anything else and I clearly said I would refrain from commenting here in the future unless I really wanted to say something. Looking at this thread, I can’t even be bothered to get involved with the discussion. I lean more on the Unitarian side anyway, I’m sure Intellect will remember as I would sometimes comment as anon27 on your previous site. But I would agree with muslimtheology that we should refrain from insulting people’s beliefs but deal with things in a more intellectual and humble way. That’s all I have to say.
The way this false Marvin Henry above me speaks is nothing like the way I do. Of course since I do not have an official account it’s easy for anyone to use my name so I guess I can’t expect anyone on this site to be able to tell the difference, so I don’t blame you guys.
Anyway to the fake Marvin Henry above me, whoever you are, why do you have to impersonate me? You could easily use the most random name like 123 or something and use that anonymously. What is wrong with you?
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Hi Marvin, and thanks for bringing this to our attention. The imposters comment above is registered to this email address:
harry.marry@aol.co.uk
I have confirmed what you say by cross checking your previous genuine comments.
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One more thing by the way. Although I said we shouldn’t insult people’s beliefs, Paul, if you were simply mocking the Christian pictures of God and Jesus then go right ahead. Drawing pictures of God is very blasphemous so in that case I wouldn’t consider it an insult. It is an insult to God as you said for someone to even draw Him in the first place. It’s written in the Bible so I have no clue what these Renaissance era painters were reading to get these ideas.
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And also thanks Paul for taking time out to investigate this matter. I’m off once again 😉
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Burhanuddin1
reference your comment above on September 30, 2015 • 8:26 am:
‘and Marvin Henry, thanks for the insult’
There is a fake Marvin Henry comment at the top of the tread. The real Marvin (i’ve checked that it really is the real one) has exposed the fraud. So Marvin did not make the comment you replied to.
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Paul Willaims pay attention. Christians do not say God is a PERSON we say God is three persons all sharing equally the divine nature. But putting your straw-man and false dilemma aside. Burhanuddin1 goes on and on that “THREE PERSONS” = 3 GODS and then continuing to mock god he commits shirk by comparing God to creation i.e. “Just like there are billions of human-beings all have the same nature as a human being.”
So Paul, if Three persons = THREE GODS, and ALLAH is not a PERSON then ALLAH is not a GOD. FATAL FLAW
Well thats if your consistent in your reasoning which I think we both agree that Muslims are far from consistent in anything much less reason and logic.
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Christians do say God is a person when not speaking of God as a trinity. They seem to switch between these two ways of speaking of God: God as 1 and as 3.
I don’t deny that God is a person in some sense. He is certainly not less than a person.
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So allah is a person thats called SHIRK well at least in most sects of some form of orthodox Islam, maybe not so much in Pauline Islam lol.
And Christians may use a personal pronoun as in HE to describe God, but we do not say God is ONE person. .
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why is calling God a person ‘shirk’ ie associating partners with God?
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Christians, in my experience, usually call God a “person”.
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Robert Wells
You said;
And Christians may use a personal pronoun as in HE to describe God, but we do not say God is ONE person. .
I say;
This is how God described Himself.
“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
“there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
“Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
Mr. Bob, this is how Christians describe God and it is not in the Bible.
3 Persons/persons 1 God.
Bob, Christians description of God goes against the Bible.
Yahweh said He is one, alone and only there is none.
Is Yahweh not a Person?
You said God is 3 Persons. Is the 2 of the persons NONE ELSE?
Bob, read Yahweh
“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
Yahweh is asking you Robert Wells, that “Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
So, is Yahweh not a person? When He said “I am God and there is not other”?
NONE ELSE
We know Yahweh said He is the only God and NONE ELSE. Is Yahweh not a person?
Are the other persons of the Trinity not someone else? or is their persons NONE ELSE?
Why must Yahweh as person throw the other 2 persons of the Trinitarian God head out of His divinity? and claim He as a person is the only God.
Is the Holy Spirit Yahweh?
Is Jesus Yahweh?
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‘Is Jesus Yahweh?’ – no.
He prayed to Y, he worshiped Y, he felt abandoned by Y (according to Mark). The inevitable, logical, rational conclusion: he was not Y!
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Bobby, “And Christians may use a personal pronoun as in HE to describe God, but we do not say God is ONE person.”
LOL. By using the SINGULAR PERSONAL pronoun “HE” to describe God, you are saying God is ONE person de facto, even if you try to hide behind the well known philosophical man-made smokescreens.
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Bobby, are you saying Unitarianism is not a rational option? Seriously? Seems you are not only a western, but also a trinitarian supremacist?
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Wells, “Christians do not say God is a PERSON …”
Richard Swinburne says God is a person
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Christian theologians routinely call God a ‘person’. I don’t think Bobby is familiar with the subject.
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Paul Williams wrote…
“why is calling God a person ‘shirk’ ie associating partners with God?”
My Response: Its a violation of one aspect of Tahweed, that being Allah’s attributes and names. Paul I don’t think you’re familiar with the subject.
Burhanduddin1 AKA “Sir Shirks alot” wrote…
Bobby, are you saying Unitarianism is not a rational option? Seriously? Seems you are not only a western, but also a trinitarian supremacist?
My response: No Unitarisnism is not a viable option for a number of reason. One that is not what the bible CLEARLY teaches, and two with unitarinism you get a irrational and illogical god like allah, and finally creation presupposes a Tri-une God.
Paul trying to be tricky dicky wrote…
“He prayed to Y, he worshiped Y, he felt abandoned by Y (according to Mark). The inevitable, logical, rational conclusion: he was not Y!”
My response: Paul seriously can you respond with out the either a false dilemma or a straw-man. Seriously try harder.
Well I will leave you to shirk up your own blog. I swear Islam is the shirkiest shirken religion that ever shirked.
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Bobby “No Unitarisnism is not a viable option for a number of reason.” Why don’t you give any apart from empty claims?
How many gods are depicted in the image above?
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I count three but my maths isn’t very good.
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It’s better than Bobby’s 🙂
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Robert Wells
You said;
My response: No Unitarisnism is not a viable option for a number of reason. One that is not what the bible CLEARLY teaches, and two with unitarinism you get a irrational and illogical god like allah, and finally creation presupposes a Tri-une God.
I say;
This is the Unitarian God from the Bible
“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
“there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
“Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
and a Trinitarian God i.e. Triune, 3 persons 1 God, Hypostasis, 3 distinct persons, God-Man, both divine and human nature, Jesus Christ said he is God, God the Son etc. are all not in the Bible but defined by man.
Unitarian God is defined by God Himself as can be found above but Trinitarian God is defined by man and are not in the Bible and is not good to worship that God.
Thanks.
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Burhan, only ONE god who is three persons, so that means you have NO god since your god is not a person. Unless your gonna shirk it unless you practice Pauline Islam.
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Intellect keep quoting those Trinitarian verses I love reading them. BTW your forgot one…
“Then the YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the YHWH out of heaven.”
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Robert Wells
You said;
Burhan, only ONE god who is three persons, so that means you have NO god since your god is not a person. Unless your gonna shirk it unless you practice Pauline Islam.
I say;
“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
Yahweh said He is the only one who is God. How come there are other two persons in addition to him.
Is Yahweh not a person? When He said;
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
Yahweh is obviously a person and He claim He alone is God. So the Holy Spirit and Jesus are not part of Yahweh and therefore Jesus is not God. So, your ONE God three persons have been trashed by Yahweh and He sent it into oblivion.
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Robert Wells
You said;
Intellect keep quoting those Trinitarian verses I love reading them. BTW your forgot one…
I say;
As far as the God said He is only one and alone God of Abraham and He alone must be worshiped and no man or God-man i.e. NONE ELSE must be worshiped apart from Him(only one person). Muslims do not care what the heck the name is.
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Intellect wrote..
“As far as the God said He is only one and alone God of Abraham and He alone must be worshiped and no man or God-man i.e. NONE ELSE must be worshiped apart from Him(only one person). Muslims do not care what the heck the name is.”
My response: Wow you didn’t catch it, the verse went completely over your head. Oh well I tried.
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