“Where is the Injeel?”: a christian asks.

“Where is the Injeel?”: a christian asks.

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Answered by Ibn Issam:

“The four Gospels and Christian scriptures are clearly not the injeel. They make numerous unhistorical claims about Jesus which cannot possibly be true. The injeel is a revelation given by God to Jesus Quran 5:46, it is this that is the injeel and not the fabricated and clearly uninspired books written by your unknown pseudepigraphal authors who wrote forgeries and attributed them back to the names of Patriarchs who had long since passed and could not defend their good names from such lies.

The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an and Torah that is there is only One God, absolute and unique in his oneness, we should worship only that God, live good lives doing good deeds, repent when we make mistakes, and find salvation through the forgiveness of that One true God. The Qur’an acknowledges that parts of this core message are found in existing scripture but that it is not coterminous with Qur’an.

Regretfully, the fullness of the Injeel was lost, because of short sighted Christians like yourself, who rather than focusing on that core message and the oneness of God, focused instead on worshipping a mortal man, and were then forced to innovate false doctrines like Trinity, blood sacrifice, atonement by the cross, resurrection etc. in order to justify their own misinterpretations and misunderstandings which they had become entrenched in even up until this day. While they were focused on the religion which they had created about Jesus, they failed to develop a methodology to preserve and maintain the original revelation of Injeel which Jesus had received from God. Now all that remains are questionable stories about Jesus teachings, which may or may not be true.

The Religion OF Jesus becamethe Religion ABOUT Jesus.

So in asking your questions about where is the lost injeel, Christians have no one to blame but themselves for losing it. Don’t point fingers and blame Muslims for by the Grace, blessing and Promise of Allah – we PRESERVED the text which we received.”

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  1. Salaam Eric,
    Jazakallahu khair for posting my comment, I appreciate that very much and I hope it will be of benefit to those who are interested in this subject.

    Paul Williams recently posted this on Twitter relevant quore regarding the Injeel:

    Montgomery watt (professor in Arabic and Islamic studies at the Univ. of Edinburgh and one of the foremost interpreters of Islam in the west) is quoted saying: “While it is stated that Jesus received from God a scripture called the Gospel (or Evangel –Injil) there is nothing to suggest that this was anymore like our actual gospels in the New Testament than the Taurat received by Moses was like the actual Pentateuch. Indeed, Muslims usually deny that our actual Gospels are the book received by Jesus, since that consisted entirely of revelations from God and not of historical statements about Jesus.” [William Montgomery Watt, Muslim-Christian Encounters. Perceptions and Misperceptions. Routledge ,1991 p. 24

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  2. “The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an and Torah that is there is only One God, absolute and unique in his oneness, we should worship only that God, live good lives doing good deeds, repent when we make mistakes, and find salvation through the forgiveness of that One true God.”

    We call this begging the question. You’re whole argument is fallacious

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    • I don’t think it is begging the question to ask where is the actual pure and unadulterated Evangel (message) of Jesus. I think that is a valid question to ask.

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    • “The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an”

      That’s not a question my friend. That’s begging the question and thus fallacious. The whole argument is illogical and refuted. Try again

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    • Ibn Issam says…

      “I don’t think it is begging the question to ask where is the actual pure and unadulterated Evangel (message) of Jesus. I think that is a valid question to ask.”

      No you dimwitt, asking said question as Christians ask is not “begging the question” your response to said question is what Beggs the Question. LOL

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    • Just try and get the point man, read my comment further below.

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    • What point? That you make un proven wild claims? Yah I get that point.

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    • Prove this,
      The “unproven wild claim” is that the Bible is the inerrent infallible “inspired’ word of God.

      Just try and “Prove it!”

      Hint – Its already been disproven by your own Biblical Scholars.

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    • Ibn wrote…

      “Hint – Its already been disproven by your own Biblical Scholars.”

      My response ok prove that then? Prove your claims have been proven by my own Biblical Scholars.

      Prove the following that my “own Biblical Scholars” believe the following….

      -The injeel is a revelation given by God to Jesus

      -The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an

      -Provide me one of my “own Biblical Scholars” that even believe their was such a thing as a “Book” sent down to Jesus.

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    • Prove
      I said that the “unproven wild claim” is that the Bible is the inerrent infallible “inspired’ word of God. and that this has been disproven by your own Biblical Scholars.

      Then you pivot and divert to Injil. I have already answered your questions and you are now just repeating yourself. But I will try and explain once again, just on the off chance that maybe you are an honest seeker of truth, and not a dishonest polemicist just trying to score points by any means necessary:

      Injeel = Evangel = message/Revelation = Oral Gospel of Jesus. If you don’t believe that God sent revelation to your own prophet then you have a serious problem. Many biblical scholars also agree that Jesus preached that there is only One God, absolute and unique in his oneness, we should worship only that God, live good lives doing good deeds, repent when we make mistakes, and find salvation through the forgiveness of that One true God. I have also explained that the Injil is not necessarily a reference to any physical scripture or “book,” that once existed and is lost, but that rather, it is the entirety of the divine revelation (to Jesus) itself.

      I don’t have time to keep answering your repetitive questions further. Read the comments.

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    • Prove,
      one last thing if you want scholars PW has posted a link for a widely used university textbook. Try and do some reading:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Testament-Historical-Introduction-Christian/dp/0199757534

      https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Historical-Introduction-Christian/dp/0199757534

      Robert Eisenman is a scholar who is a Professor of Middle East Religions, Archaeology, and Islamic Law and director of the Institute for the Study of Judaeo-Christian Origins at California State University Long Beach. He has noticed similarities between early followers of Jesus and Islam. Specifically, the dietary laws in the dead sea scrolls were identical to Islamic dietary laws. This similarity may indicate the followers of Jesus who wrote the DSC had continued following a dietary restriction (exactly the same as Islamic dietary restrictions) that Jesus had prescribed in his Injil or oral Gospel message.

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    • And the Logical Fallacies of Ibn just keep coming

      You wrote…

      “I said that the “unproven wild claim” is that the Bible is the inerrent infallible “inspired’ word of God. and that this has been disproven by your own Biblical Scholars.

      My response: Ok I will concede your point (even though you have provided no proof, and I do not believe such nonsense) But I conceded your point.

      So if the text of the NT we have TODAY, like we had in the time of Mohamed, like we had 300 years before Mohamed, and like we had in the first century is not inspired. That tells us NOTHING about the Islamic Injeel which you claim is inspired.

      You then try to deflect with this PROJECTION

      Then you pivot and divert to Injil. I have already answered your questions and you are now just repeating yourself. ”

      My response: NO sir you have done NO such thing. making an “unproven and wild claim” like when you wrote the following…

      – “The injeel is a revelation given by God to Jesus”
      – “The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an and Torah”
      – “Regretfully, the fullness of the Injeel was lost, because of short sighted Christians”
      – ” While they were focused on the religion which they had created about Jesus, they failed to develop a methodology to preserve and maintain the original revelation of Injeel which Jesus had received from God”

      This is not PROOF. This is an unsubstantiated UN proven claim that I am asking you to prove.

      Whats funny is that in the article you titled

      ““Where is the Injeel?”: a christian asks. ”

      Not only did you fail to address the topic of your Post, but you spent most of the words attacking what we DO have and that is the texts contained in the Bible.

      So according to you Christians “failed to develop a methodology to preserve and maintain the original revelation of Injeel which Jesus had received from God” but yet we PRESERVED the text of the Bible. LOL

      Seriously man as Yahya Snow used to say “Have a think”.

      Now where is that Islamic Injeel? Do you have any evidence of it ever actually existing. Give us a fragment, give us a quote where someone says “This is the Injeel that was sent down to Jesus” or words to that effect. Give us something other than the claims of your Prophet 600 years after Jesus.

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    • Prove
      It seems you are unable to comprehend the main thrust of my argument . Again all of your repetitive questions and remarks have been addressed by myself and others on this page.I redirect you to the above quote by Montgomery Watt see also the perceptive comment by Patrice.

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    • “the original revelation of Injeel which Jesus had received from God. “- ibn issam

      Vs

      “the fullness of the Injeel was lost”- ibn issam

      Vs

      “the Injil is not necessarily a reference to any physical scripture or “book,” that once existed and is lost”- ibn issam

      Hahaha… are you bipolar or something? you are so confused that you end up refuting yourself. I get it. The Koran gives absolutely no details of this injeel so you Muslims are left to make up hypotheses to fit your theology. But the problem is you just end up taking absolute rubbish, contradicting yourself and relying upon fallacious reasoning and arguments.

      This is a comedy show. Keep going please.

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    • Taking my comments out of context doesn’t prove or disprove anything at all.

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    • Ibn wrote…
      “It seems you are unable to comprehend the main thrust of my argument”

      I say That’s because you haven’t made an argument, you have only made speculations, wild un substantiated claims and provided absolutely no proof for your position. This is not an argument.

      You said…

      “Again all of your repetitive questions and remarks have been addressed by myself…”

      I say: My questions are only repetitive because you have not answered them. As a matter of fact you said in a reply to my original comment, “I don’t really have to prove any of my claims” and then you misinterpret a few isolated texts from the NT, something that you say makes “numerous unhistorical claims about Jesus which cannot possibly be true.” And are “fabricated and clearly uninspired books written by your unknown pseudepigraphal authors who wrote forgeries as somehow to prove what you just said you had no proof of in the first place. EPIC FAIL.

      You also said in this same response “In regard to the possibility of a written document, or scriptural text of the Gospel of Jesus, I don’t think that there is any evidence that such a document existed in the lifetime of Jesus, and even if it did, it has been lost without a trace”

      I say another epic fail. So you admit that there is no evidence for what you believe and you even admit that what you believe did not even exist. Then you claim that which you have no evidence of, and that which you have no evidence of even existing was somehow was lost without a trace?

      Question: How can something that never existed be lost in the first place?

      But your irrational reasoning is made even worse, because that which you admit you have no evidence for ever existing, something which was lost without a trace, you say in your original article. “The Qur’an acknowledges that parts of this core message are found in existing scripture”

      How can something you have no evidence of ever existing have part of its “core message” preserved when as you say it was “LOST WITHOUT A TRACE”.

      Man un scrambling your spaghetti logic has given me a head ache.

      I will leave you to ponder this.

      You believe in something you do not have, something that you have no evidence of ever existing, something you claim was “lost without a trace”. Something you say you “don’t really have to prove…”

      Man you must really be blind to have that kind of blind faith.

      I on the other hand believe in something I DO HAVE, something that I have an abundance of evidence to its existence for over 1900 years. Something that I possess between my hands. Something that I can prove existed long before Mohamed.

      I pray that God will remove the scales from your eyes so you can see just how foolish your position is.

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    • prove,
      Once again, same boring repetitive questions which have already been answered. I am sorry you are so clearly confused and can’t seem to mentally separate the fabricated forged NT texts, from actual non-physical divine revelation to Prophet Jesus. Talk about blind faith, you are the one who believes in something you don’t have……where is Gospel of Jesus?

      Taking my comments and “scrambling” them out of context does not divert attention away from that main point which you have devoted so much time and effort to try and deflect. Maybe your extreme concern really indicates that deep down you know that there truly is something to this most basic and simple question which Christians like you would not like people to reflect upon……..where is the Gospel of Jesus?

      You can keep your NT stories ABOUT Jesus that is missing the actual revelation OF Jesus. I have pristine preserved Qur’an which contains the fullness of the divine revelatory truth and message God to all mankind, and that is more than enough for me!

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    • Ok buddy you keep believing in something you DON”T have, something you say you have no evidence of ever exiting, something you say that vanished with out a trace, and I will keep believing in what I do have, in what I have an abundance of evidence for and what I have between my hands.

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    • We do have the Qur’an as mankind final revelation from God to prophet Muhammad in original form, therefore no need to look for the Injeel of prophet Jesus.

      This abundance of evidence have been analyzed by NT scholars and they say the one you have is not the original Injeel of prophet Jesus,…. you merely *think* it is.

      I invite you to accept the one we do have for certain that it is from God revealed to His prophet: the Qur’an.

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    • Eric chimes in

      “This abundance of evidence have been analyzed by NT scholars and they say the one you have is not the original Injeel of prophet Jesus,…. you merely *think* it is. ”

      You clearly have not been paying attention. We(Christians) do not and have never claimed in something called the Injeel or a Original Ingeel or an Original Gospel of Jesus as in a “revelation sent down to him”. So thats a good thing that since we don’t believe in such nonsense.

      That is your claim, that is something you believe something you have no evidence of, something that has never existed.

      So like I said you believe in something you do not have and something that never existed. Christians don’t have such blind faith.

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    • So you dont believe that Original Injil or an Original Gospel of Jesus as in a “revelation sent down to him” from God Almghty. It ‘s your choice.

      We believe there was original revealation to Jesus pece be upon him. It’s the Injil. It could have been lost , but some scholars even are trying to reconstruct it using Aramaic, Jesus’s language.

      We have no business in looking for the original Injeel, unlike with God’s final revealation: the Qur’an, we dont believe the Injil was meant to be preserved. The well preserved Qur’an is sufficient to us: it acknowledges the Injil original messages to Jesus but free of deviations and is not coterminous with it.

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  3. I am reposting one more comment (with minor changes) I made previously on same issue:
    In response to those who ask where is “The lost Injil” or who deny having lost it in the first place I think we must ask…..where is the Gospel of Jesus? Christians have the Gospels of Matthew Mark, luke and John……but where is the Gospel OF Jesus? Can they quote us something from it? I am not referring to the fabricated forgeries written ABOUT Jesus. Call it what you will “The Gospel/Evangel/Message/Revelation of Jesus” OR “The Injil” we don’t have it in its pure and unadulterated form. Clearly, without a doubt, the followers of Christ have regretfully and carelessly lost the most important piece of evidence that anyone could have lost……..the divinely inspired revelation of God to Jesus – The INJIL.

    Wallahi, It so very sad to think about how early short sighted Christians have carelessly lost the divinely inspired revelation of God to Jesus – The INJIL. If Christians would have taken care to preserve the Injil, I am sure that it would have confirmed and agreed with the most basic truths that are contained the Torah & Qur’an and which are in common with both Judaism and Islam and as a result the three faiths would have had a lot more to agree upon than disagree.

    I am saddened even more in that many if not most Christians don’t even recognize or care to acknowledge what was lost, nor do they seem to even understand the implications of the loss. Unbelievably, they satisfy themselves with the poor substitute of fabricated and forged texts which are verifiably not divinely inspired, and which have resulted in doctrinal beliefs that run totally against the true and absolute monotheistic spirit of the religion of Abraham.

    What a great and terrible loss!!

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    • A related question : Out of the 12 disciples, who was/were the scribe(s) of Jesus(as) ?” Is there anything in the NT that points to who recorded the teachings/statements of Jesus(as) ?

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    • There was no gospel given to Jesus. That is unhistorical Islamic theology based on pure fabrication. We have no historical evidence that any injeel was given to Jesus.

      That was easily answered.

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    • You may believe in the gospel given to “God knows who”, but I’d rather believe in the gospel of Jesus peace be upon him. Thank you.

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    • Paulus missionary fail says “There was no gospel given to Jesus.”

      Bible says
      “Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” Mark 1

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    • Frustrated person often go crazy 🙂 Let’s give him more references like :

      Matthew 9:35 “And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom…”

      Mark 1:14 “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God”

      Luke 20:1 And it came to pass, [that] on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel…”

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    • Ibn Adam

      Thanks. Why do Muslims know the Bible than Christian missionaries? Recently, Paul Williams confronted a Christian lady missionary at speakers corner to point to her that, the Bible kill anyone who tells you to worship another God. I heard the woman asked Paul Williams “are you sure?”.

      She is a student of Jay Smith. Apparently, Paul Williams knows the Bible than her and most Muslims here knew the Bible than Paulus-a Christian missionary.

      The Christian missionaries like Jay Smith, Sam, Nabeel, Wood etc. do not know both Islam and Christianity but lies and takkiya to see if they can convert people to worship a man and get experience/feelings of Ken Temple.

      Ken Temple on the other hand, is highly educated and knows everything but his feelings/experience will not let him see the truth. He covers the truth in place of feelings/experience and it could be satanic. Any feelings/experience that allow the person to cover the truth is satanic.

      I will rather follow the truth if even I do not have feelings/experience. I think there is no feelings/experience that can surpass when Muslims forgets everything unless God when they stand to face their creator alone in prayers like Jesus did in the Garden.

      Any experience that adds another person to the one God of Abraham can be demonic. Some protestants call the Catholic worship which was derived from Greeko/Roman rituals as unChristians but the protestants have the Son who comes to earth to love them and he is pure to sacrifice to save them just like the Greeko/Roman Gods.

      Thanks.

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    • Oh dear, you really think that Jesus preaching the gospel is equivalent to the idea that Allah gave him the injeel? Haha.

      That really is dumb. Ok then, show me a single NT scholar who believes these verses teach that.

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    • Paulus

      The point is that the Gospel of Jesus is not a book or series of books but rather his message. A message that emphasises the mercy of God toward his people and a warning of the coming judgement that comes through the disobedience of his law.

      The Gospels affirm this point:

      “Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.” – Matthew 4:23

      “After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”” – Mark 1:14-15

      “Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.” – Luke 4:14-15

      The Gospels only seek to provide accounts of his life and teaching, none of them claim to be the word of God. Why treat them in any other way?

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  4. Ibn Issam starts off with quotes but does not say who he is quoting
    “The four Gospels and Christian scriptures are clearly not the injeel. They make numerous unhistorical claims about Jesus which cannot possibly be true.”

    What un historical claims that can not possibly be true? And why can’t they be true?

    He goes on with quoting someone as yet un mentioned…

    “The injeel is a revelation given by God to Jesus Quran 5:46, it is this that is the injeel and not the fabricated and clearly uninspired books written by your unknown pseudepigraphal authors who wrote forgeries and attributed them back to the names of Patriarchs who had long since passed and could not defend their good names from such lies.”

    I challenge him Prove it. Prove that this unknown, never quoted, never cited, never mentioned, book actually existed. While you’re at it, do tell us which books of the NT where “books written by your unknown pseudepigraphal authors who wrote forgeries and attributed them back to the names of Patriarchs who had long since passed and could not defend their good names from such lies.” Please let us know.

    You continue with your un named quote…
    “The Injeel most surely contained the core teaching that is also in Qur’an and Torah…”

    Again I say Prove it. You make a bold claim “surely” ok then “surely” you can prove your claim. Show us a manuscript, show us a reference, show us anyone anywhere who mentions this Islamic Injeel this “Book” that was given to Jesus.

    You continue with your un named un referenced quote…

    “Regretfully, the fullness of the Injeel was lost, because of short sighted Christians like yourself,…”

    How can it be lost if Allah protected it? And why blame Christians for loosing something only Muslims believe in?

    You continue on with your un named un referenced quote, blame game…

    “So in asking your questions about where is the lost injeel, Christians have no one to blame but themselves for losing it.”

    Again prove it. Prove that this Injeel actually existed. Prove any of your wild bogus claims. Prove that Allah allowed “short sighted Christians” to loose what was sent down, to loose what Allah revealed to loose this book that was given to one of his Prophets. And while you are trying to prove something you have no proof of, please explain why people who believed in an Islamic Jesus (Muslims) would allow this book to be lost? Why is it we have well documented historical PROOF of the four books of the GOSPEL but you don’t even have a quote from it much less a single fragment of this alleged Islamic Injeel?

    PROVE IT.

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    • lol.

      ‘I challenge him Prove it. Prove that this unknown, never quoted, never cited, never mentioned, book actually existed.’

      New Testament scholars have spent the last century, and more, attempting to reconstruct the original gospel OF Jesus from later church tradition (eg the quite different gospel of Paul). I think they have been remarkably successful.

      You want to learn more? Read/study this widely used university textbook. I have. It is rather excellent:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Testament-Historical-Introduction-Christian/dp/0199757534

      https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Historical-Introduction-Christian/dp/0199757534

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    • Prove it,
      Firstly I want to clarify that the main post above was a comment which I had made in the comment section of this blog. My original comment had no quotation marks, so not sure where they came from. I do apologize sincerely if that caused any confusion to readers. I also apologize for the personal nature of the post, as the original comment was in response to an aggressive interlocutor and not meant as an address to everyone in the forum.

      In regard to the possibility of a written document, or scriptural text of the Gospel of Jesus, I don’t think that there is any evidence that such a document existed in the lifetime of Jesus, and even if it did, it has been lost without a trace. That is why I think the Qur’anic usage of the word “Injil” refers to the actual revelation itself, not an actual physical book or scripture. I think it would be safe to say that the original pure injil was a direct revelation from God to Jesus which he then spoke orally, much the same as our Prophet Muhammad. So although it is sometimes referred to as a “book” the Injil is not necessarily a scripture or book, that once existed and is lost, it is the entirety of the divine revelation (to Jesus) itself that is being referred to. The important difference is that the followers of Prophet Muhammad immediately documented the revelations he received and which later cumulatively formed the Qur’an while the followers of Prophet Jesus clearly did not directly document that received by Prophet Jesus.
      The early Christians did not document the revelation (injil) because they thought Jesus would return within their own lifetimes, therefore no need to write it down. Once they realized this wasn’t going to happen anytime soon, they began to write the stories and information that they could remember about Jesus, with a mixture of correct & incorrect information. This is how the Bible came into existence. But by the time they had begun the process of recording what they knew or thought they knew of Jesus life, the oral revelation of Injil had already perished along with Jesus. The only revelation which Allah promised to preserve is Al-Qur’an, and there was no promise to protect and preserve the Injil.
      Your question about, “why people who believed in an Islamic Jesus (Muslims) would allow this book to be lost?” is nonsensical. It is not Muslims who allowed it to be lost, but rather it was regrettably lost unintentionally by early Christians. See my earlier comments and posts.

      I don’t really have to prove any of my claims as they are self-evident in Biblical scripture. A Gospel or Injil did exist in Jesus lifetime, and he preached from it see Matthew 9:35; Mark 1:14; Luke 20:1 (Thanks Ibn Adam). Furthermore, as Paul Williams noted in his comment, “NT scholars have New Testament scholars have spent the last century, and more, attempting to reconstruct the original gospel OF Jesus from later church tradition (eg the quite different gospel of Paul). I think they have been remarkably successful.” But I would add that this is only what can be reconstructed from extant manuscripts and texts that we currently have. It may give a good indication of what was included in the injil, and the teachings of Jesus, but we cannot be sure that what has been reconstructed is not missing anything, and that it includes the fullness of the pure unadulterated divine message which Jesus spoke from his lips. While I, like Paul Williams and other Muslims as well, believe that there is truth to be gleaned from the Bible, I don’t believe we have the fullness of the original message of Jesus. That is why I rely on Qur’an for the truth.

      If anyone has to prove anything, Mr. “Prove it,” it is the Christians who must prove that the Bible in their hands contains the unaltered, unmitigated, unchanged, unadulterated, non-fabricated, unforged, infallible, pure and pristine divine revelation in its full and original form as Jesus received it and spoke it from his lips. The burden of proof is on you and your co-religionists.

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  5. paul who is serapion?

    quote:
    Bart Ehrman notes that “arguably the most distinctive feature of the early Christian literature is the degree to which it was forged.” [1] Consider for example Eusebius’ discussion of Serapion’s acceptance of the Gospel of Peter (H.E. 4.12.2). Serapion accepted the gospel because it was written by Peter, and only later rejected it, not because of it’s questionable authorship but instead because of it’s heretical teachings. Literary pseudepigrapha was widespread in first century Judaism (cf. 1 Enoch, 2 Baruch, etc.). Literary pseudepigrapha was
    widespread in first and second century Christianity (as argued above).

    I think one model that makes reasonable sense of this phenomena is that early doctrinal and power disputes within the church led to the use of weaponized forgery and counterforgery. In the context of a diverse early church (we have good evidence of this) spread out over large distances without good methods of documentary verification pseudepigraphy could thrive. The forgers knew what they were doing; the deceived were indeed deceived (but sometimes perhaps with some wishful thinking on their part.) Pseudepigrapha flourished in first century Judaism with a similar social environment but a different set of theological arguments. For a more complete argument, cf. Dr. Ehrmans’ book, Forgery and Counterforgery.

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  6. The true Injeel of Jesus was the message given to Him by the Father –

    John 17:8

    8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them;
    and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.

    The same message that Ibn Adam mentioned above in Mark 1:14-15, Matthew 9:35; and Luke 20:1

    Mark 1:14 “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, saying, repent and believe in the gospel . . .

    That message included everything in all the 4 gospels, as they (the disciples/ apostles) and other writers who were associates of the apostles) later wrote all things down that was necessary for our salvation and knowledge.

    John 16:12 – shows there was more revelation that Jesus was going to give them, but they could not handle it at the time; but later the Holy Spirit revealed the rest of the details of the revelation to the disciples and the apostle Paul and they wrote it all down in the 27 books of the NT. (including the apostle Paul, Mark writing for Peter, the author of Hebrews, probably Barnabas (or Silas, or Luke). Matthew, John, Peter were eyewitnesses, as was James and Jude, the half-brothers of Jesus. Luke interviewed the rest of the eyewitnesses apostles and Mary.

    John 16:12-15
    12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

    John 14:26
    26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

    All the truths and revelation of Jesus was revealed to the apostles through the Holy Spirit who guided them to write the whole message of the Injeel.

    So, the true Injeel of Jesus is all the truth of the 27 books of the NT, established centuries before your guy came along and claimed to be a prophet. Since Muhammad and the Arabs had no clue what the content of the Injeel was, he and they just assumed it was the same basic thing that he was teaching; only hearing about things orally such as Isa Al Massih (that Jesus was the Messah), born of the virgin Mary, did miracles, was the Kalimat’allah (the Word of God) = John 1:1-5; John 1:14.

    Surah 5:47, 5:68 and 10:94 shows Muhammad thought the Injeel was not corrupted and in tack at the time of his life from around 610 AD to 632 AD.

    He did not know, but Muhammad confirmed that the NT was true and not corrupted. He also said that “no one can change the words of God”. (Surah 18:27-28; 6:116; 10:65: 6:34)

    Therefore the true Injeel is the 27 books of the NT.

    The Injeel of Jesus Al Masih is the content of those books. The four gospels are:
    The Gospel of Jesus according to Matthew. (kata Matthaion)
    The Gospel of Jesus according to Mark. (kata Markon)
    The Gospel of Jesus according to Luke.(kata Lukan)
    The Gospel of Jesus according to John. (kata Iohannan)

    “according to” = Greek = Kata = κατα – very important distinction.
    One message and event in history from 4 perspectives, like one eyewitness of each corner of a traffic accident at four way intersection.

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    • “All the truths and revelation of Jesus was revealed to the apostles through the Holy Spirit who guided them to write the whole message of the Injeel.”


      So, the true Injeel of Jesus is all the truth of the 27 books of the NT”

      do you know what the plural of injeel is ?

      do you know jesus would not know any of these 27 books? none of them existed in his time.

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    • Jesus clearly said He would give the Holy Spirit to empower the apostles to be led into all the truth, and to remember all that Jesus taught them, and that Jesus would given them new insights (John 16:12) and then later, they wrote every thing down.

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    • we know this is false because peter even having the power of “holy spirit” and power to bring dead to life

      still lied and was called for his hypocrisy. just compare marks ending with johns ending and see yourself how changed and different it is .lukes ready to face death jesus is unlike marks wimping jesus.

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    • “and that Jesus would given them new insights (John 16:12) and then later, they wrote every thing dow”

      yeah they came in the form of pseudepigrapha

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    • No; they are the fullness of the 27 books of the NT.

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    • The gospels according to Paulus:

      There was no gospel given to Jesus. That is unhistorical Islamic theology based on pure fabrication. We have no historical evidence that any injeel was given to Jesus.

      The gospels according to Ken Temple:

      The true Injeel of Jesus was the message given to Him by the Father –

        

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    • In fairness to Paulus (and he can also answer if I am wrong); I think he was assuming “Injeel” as the way many Muslims popularly understand it as “the book of Jesus”. In that sense, a book, there was no Injeel given to Jesus and He did not write a book. But I think Paulus will agree that revelation was given to Jesus from the Father (John 17:8) and the Holy Spirit led the apostles into all the truth (John 14:26; 16:12-13) and then they preached the message from AD 30 to 96 AD and starting writing it all down from AD 45 to 96 AD.

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    • //So, the true Injeel of Jesus is all the truth of the 27 books of the NT, established centuries before your guy came along and claimed to be a prophet. Since Muhammad and the Arabs had no clue what the content of the Injeel was, he and they just assumed it was the same basic thing that he was teaching//

       

      Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is not mere “your guy”,  To us He is the final prophet of God.

      Show some respect if you want to be take seriously!

      Yes, Prophet Muhammad  had no clue what the content of the Injeel was, God Himself taught him what it was. That’s way it conform with Jewish monotheism but no mention of greco-roman concept of religion  like god incarnate, demi-god, god-man and all sort of things..

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    • sorry I mean no disrespect. But we don’t believe he was a prophet, just as when you deny Jesus is God in the flesh, per John 1:1-5 and John 1:14 and Philippians 2:5-8, who is Lord (Romans 10:9-10) and died on the cross for sins and rose from the dead with power, to deny all that is disrespecting Him as He really is, but I don’t get upset with that, because I understand your rational for your own rejection of Jesus as the eternal Son of God and God the Son, and Lord, etc.

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    • We know you don’t recognize him as a Prophet but ar least you can write the Prophet’s name in full , not just “your guy”. I reject Prophet Jesus as an object of worship as it violates monotheism BUT I never refer him as “your guy”. There is a difference between denying and being disrespectful.

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    • ok, sorry for writing “your guy”.

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    • Nonsense. Jesus wasn’t preaching the gospel of John or the letters of Paul.

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    • “No; they are the fullness of the 27 books of the NT.”

      did god inspire the forgeries in the nt?

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    • There are no forgeries in the NT.

      But other books written in the 2nd and 3rd centuries are forgeries – like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Peter, etc. And other books that Muhammad got information from – they are false books, like the Gnostic infancy gospels where Jesus speaks from cradle, etc. – shows Muhammad and Qur’an did not know what they were talking about.

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    • According to the overwhelming majority of NT experts there are a number of forgeries the NT. I can recommend an introductory text book on NT studies if you wish to study the subject. Just let me know.

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    • I already know about those issues. Ehrman and liberals are wrong. There are no forgeries.

      Many of the NT authors used an “amanuensis” (like a secretary who wrote down what the author dictated to them and approved of the final edit as far as content and grammar and style. Darrell Bock answered Ehrman’s claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBEFs0ihxo

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    • You have a Ehrmsn fixation, I refer to nearly all the mainstream academic experts in universities

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    • They are anti-supernaturalists secularists, agnostics, atheists, etc. – many of the same types think homosexuality and transgenderism is ok, etc. and you as a Muslim should not use their worldview to judge God’s miracles and revelation. You just keep using western Kuffar scholarship to try and attack Christianity.

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    • Ken,
      The Injil is definitely NOT coterminous with the four Gospels as you have them in the Bible, and neither does it refer to the 27 books of NT. As Edward commented, none of these texts existed in the time of Jesus so it is impossible that they could be the Injil that the Qur’an is referring to. Also the 4 perspectives theory has been shown by scholars to be an ineffective way of understanding the extant Gospels in that in merging the 4 different views you end up creating a eisegetical nonexistent 5th Gospel.

      Surah 5:47, 5:68 and 10:94 refer to the Injil, not necessarily the scriptures as Christians have them now or at the time of Prophet Muhammad. And even if it does refer to scriptures which were extant at that time, those Ayat must be qualified by other verses (7:162; 2:79; 6:91) and Hadith which clearly indicate that the Bible text had been altered before the time of the Qur’anic revelation.

      The other Ayat you mentioned from Surah 18:27-28; 6:116; 10:65: 6:34, are in reference to the eternal unchanging divine message of God whose truth none can alter, not in reference to any man-made scriptural text that came into existence after the fact.

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    • The Injil is definitely NOT coterminous with the four Gospels as you have them in the Bible, and neither does it refer to the 27 books of NT.

      There is no other true Injeel than the message of the 27 books of the NT, of the man Jesus of Nazareth, who was born of the virgin Mary, who is the Messiah, (Isa Al Massih = عیسی المسیح ) who did miracles, was crucified, dead, and rose from the dead, which the Qur’an refers to as the son of Mary, the Al Masih (above), and the Kalimat’Allah کلمه الله and whose nature was God, “a spirit from Allah” روح من الله

      It cannot be any other way, since the Qur’an seems to think that is the same one that we know who was God in the flesh and was crucified and dead and buried in a tomb, and who rose from the dead on the 3rd day. the NT and all its truths are already established some 600 years before your prophet Muhammad came along and claimed revelations from God. Unfortunately, he did not know nor understand much, and only knew about basic Monotheism and judgment day and the basic ten commandments type of laws, based on the Jewish Scriptures. Muhammad and the Arabs unfortunately never got a clear witness of what Christianity is and the Bible was not fully translated into Arabic until the 900s AD, three hundred years too late.

      http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/08/failure-of-early-church-and-rise-of.html

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    • Unfortunately, Muhammad and the Arabs never got a credible witness as to who Jesus is and what Christianity truly is.

      http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/08/muhammad-and-arabs-just-did-not-get.html

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    • The Qur’an itself is also the unchanging word of God’s eternal truth.

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    • “There is no other true Injeel than the message of the 27 books of the NT, of the man Jesus of Nazareth, who was born of the virgin Mary, who is the Messiah”

      except that there were letters , lost gospels and other christian beliefs that are long lost.

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    • “There is no other true Injeel than the message of the 27 books of the NT, of the man Jesus of Nazareth, who was born of the virgin Mary, who is the Messiah”

      quote:
      Once Marcion started trying to take over hearts and minds with the idea of a “canon,” a fixed body of scripture of his own choosing and design, his opposition needed to escalate the arms race with their own weapon in kind: they needed their own canon, and they needed it to eclipse his in popularity. The most strategically effective way to do that was to select books for inclusion in it that would win over the largest number of constituents (from all the diverse scattered congregations across three continents), while still not producing so many contradictions (either to each other or to the desired doctrine being fought for) that it no longer became possible to wash them over with clever exegesis and apologetics. Since every region or congregation had likely chosen one or another Gospel as its authoritative holy text, then to bring in the most regions and congregations, the editor of C150 cobbled together a political alliance among the largest possible number of those, using the four Gospels found in our canon. Hence those four were chosen. Because when their constituents were added up, they far outnumbered Marcion’s.

      And thus by fierce natural selection, C150 won the popularity contest, and all its competing species went extinct. All Gospels more deviant than those were, of course, rejected. Just like the Council of Nicea cobbled together a contradictory and unintelligible creed in order to unite more factions than the opposition could claim in turn (elegantly shown in the last chapters of Ehrman’s book How Jesus Became God), so the editor of the C150 Bible cobbled together a contradictory and unintelligible canon in order to unite more factions than the opposition could claim in turn. Thus, the Bible we have: Chosen based on political expediency and doctrinal bias; not by applying any historical investigation or textual science to determine the most original or authentic books or versions.

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    • Ken
      Peppering your comment with Arabic terminology is not convincing anyone. The NT was not established until long after Jesus ministry. The Injil is definitely NOT coterminous with the four Gospels as you have them in the Bible, and neither does it refer to the 27 books of NT. Call it what you will “The Gospel/Evangel/Message/Revelation of Jesus” OR “The Injil” we don’t have it in its pure, pristine, full original and unadulterated form.That the NT is 600 years prior to Qur’an is a red-herring. The fact that the Bible was not translated into Arabic until 900 C.E. just provides more evidentiary support for the divine nature of the Qur’an as a stand-alone revelation.

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    • Ken,
      In regard to the old and outdated 4 witnesses theory, Modern contemporary Biblical scholars, like Dr. Christopher M. Tuckett Prof. of NT studies Univ. of Oxford have found that contrary to what Christians have traditionally maintained, there are NO actual eyewitness accounts of the Gospel story. The Gospels were mediated by later Christian unknown authors, who wrote their own Pseudepigraphal (Forgery) accounts and (dishonestly) attributed them back to well-known patriarchs (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John). While “John represents an extensive rewriting of the Jesus tradition by a later Christian profoundly influence by his own ideas and circumstances.”

      This is only a sample of similar devastating findings that modern Biblical scholarship and textual Criticism has uncovered in regard to Christianity, Bible, and Church doctrines. There is now overwhelming scholarly consensus that the traditional devotional Christian understanding of Jesus and the scripture is distorted or false.

      However, it is interesting to note that the Qur’an contains a more accurate depiction of what Biblical Scholars call the true historical Jesus divorced of Christian mythos.

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    • Tuckett – Paul Williams has used him a lot in the past – seems similar to James Dunn, etc. – the liberalism makes scholars like these not credible for those of us who have faith in the Bible.

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    • lol,so all the contradictions(internal and external) in the bible are part of the true gospel of jesus?The unknown authors also forgot to write about the trinity,and that they were inspired.I guess the holy spirit didn’t do a great job at inspiring them.

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    • there are no real contradictions in the Bible.

      Though the word Trinity is not in the Bible, the concept is clearly taught.
      The oneness of God – mark 12:29
      The three persons – Matthew 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14
      The Deity of Christ & incarnation – john 1:1-5; 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Romans 9:5; Hebrews 1:3, 6, 8, 10-12; John 8:24; 8:56-58; 10:30; 20:28; Matthew 2:1-12; 14:33
      the relations between the persons – “the father loves the Son”, “the Son prays to the Father”, (John 17:1-5); the Spirit testifies of the Son (John 15:26).

      so the concept is there.
      The Latin phrase was Trinitas Unitas (three in one), not just trinitas by itself.

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    • And please stop with the ”the Quran affirms the bible” and ”Quran says the word of Allah cannot be changed” arguments.It’s honestly annoying now,it has been refuted many times.And what annoys me the most is when christians quote surah 10:94 and say that you should go to the bible.Just read it in context for once.

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    • No, because the Qur’an does seem to affirm the Bible in existence at the time of 610-632 AD, (Surah 5:47; 5:68; 10:94; 29:46; 2:136, 3:3, etc.) That original Injeel is the one of the 27 books of the NT – was all in existence by 96 AD and testified most of the books by Irenaeus and Tertullian in 180-200 Ad. Before them, Justin Martyr ( 165 AD), Polycarp (155 Ad), Ignatius – 110 Ad, Clement of Rome (96 AD) testified to a lot of it also and quoted from many passages. Indeed, no one can changed the holy word of God. That applies to the previous Scriptures.

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    • I wasn’t referring to the word,but to the concept.And you know as well as i do,it doesn’t exist in the bible.There is no unambiguous verse(s) in the bible which talks about the trinity as the 3 persons being 1 or jesus claiming divinity(unambiguously).I already expected you to come with matthew 28:19.Even though it isn’t unambiguous,and in no way says that the 3 are 1.It has been refuted in the link below anyways.

      http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/matthew_28_19__by_biblical_unitarian_and_misha_al_ibn_abdullah_al_kadhi

      So you actually think the bible doesn’t have any major contradictions?Wow,just wow.Also,the injil is not any of the NT books,it was something revealed TO JESUS.Why don’t you understand basic english?

      Moving on to the Quran.The verses you quoted are just desperate attempts by christian missionaries to prove that the Quran affirms the bible of today.To make it really short,it doesn’t.Surah 3:3,2:136 don’t need a detailed answer.To make it simple,muslims believe in the torah,injil and zabur as revelations from Allah to moses,jesus and david,not as false books.That’s basically what it means in a nutshell.Just like muslims believe in moses and jesus as messengers,and not false prophets.I already told you in my previous comment to read the context of 10:94 before you say it ‘affirms the bible’.The other verses are explained in links below:

      http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_the_argument_regarding_the_qur_an_ordering_the_jews_and_christians_to_judge_by_their_scriptures

      http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_the_argument_regarding_the_qur_an_being_a_confirmation_of_the_bible

      Sahih Bukhari
      Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460:
      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah’s Apostle said (to the Muslims). “Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.’ ”

      Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461:
      Narrated Ubaidullah:

      Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!”

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  7. “But other books written in the 2nd and 3rd centuries are forgeries – like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Peter, etc. ”

    so no forgeries in the first century only jewish pseudepigrapha?

    “And other books that Muhammad got information from – they are false books,”

    none of those books existed in muhammads time. so is virgin birth false?


    like the Gnostic infancy gospels where Jesus speaks from cradle, etc. – shows Muhammad and Qur’an did not know what they were talking about.”

    there is no way this could be based on ancient oral tradition but pericope adultera , tanakh stories (gap bet author and 1st manuscript is more than 1000 years) angels singing, john moving about in his mothers womb, babies yearly visits to jerusalem etc etc are all historical?

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  8. “”we PRESERVED the text which we received.””

    Congratulations you’ve managed to ‘PRESERVE’ a false book. 👏🏻

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    • FS-
      Your snide remarks do not prove anything. You can keep your faith in your own false man made book, written by unknown authors, who wrote forgeries attributed to the names of the patriarchs. The same book which has much written ABOUT Jesus but which is missing the most important “Gospel OF Jesus.” But, if I may ask……..why bother?

      I would rather place my faith and trust in the revelation of the Preserved unaltered Qur’an as received by the Prophet Muhammad (sws). Alhamdulillah, the promise of Allah is true!

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    • “”I would rather place my faith and trust in the revelation of the Preserved unaltered Qur’an as received by the Prophet Muhammad (sws). Alhamdulillah, the promise of Allah is true!””

      So you’re willing to bypass all the scientific errors within the text?

      How intellectuallly dishonest.

      The Quran is not the word of God, my friend. The Talmud has been well preserved to, and guess what? It’s a load of nonsense as well.

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    • What scientific errors you are referring to?

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    • FS-
      You are side stepping my remark about your own false book. All I am saying to you is that regardless of what you and your friends think I prefer to place my faith and trust in a revelation that has remained unchanged for the past 1437 years the Preserved unaltered Qur’an.

      You can believe what you like about Torah, Talmud, NT and Qur’an. No one is forcing you to believe anything…If it is all the same to you, and its all just nonsense then why are you commenting on this blog? Nothing better to do?

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      Oh just the small matter of sperm apparently originating between the backbone and ribs, the sun setting in a muddy spring and stars being described as missles used to keep away evil spirits.

      To name just a few.

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    • The word taraa’ib ترَائِب and sulb صلْب mean the pelvic arch and loins . It does not say that the sperm is created, but “the fluid is gushed”. That’s not a scientific error but accuracy.
      And The sun sets in muddy spring? That does not what the Quran said nor what early muslims understood it. And the shooting stars are heavenly missiles (رجوما) for the jinn? why not, they are forms of energy.

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  9. “”If it is all the same to you, and its all just nonsense then why are you commenting on this blog? “”

    First and foremost todefend my faith, and then to challenge yours.

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  10. edward wrote:
    “do you know what the plural of injeel is ?”

    yes, Anajeel اناجیل

    do you know jesus would not know any of these 27 books? none of them existed in his time.

    Yes, We know they were not written yet when Jesus died, rose from the dead, and went to heaven. ( around 30 AD)

    But He gave the disciples the authority and predicted that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all the truth and thus preach the message and eventually write it all down:
    John 14:26
    John 15:26
    John 16:12-13
    John 17:8

    The disciples started writing the truths down from around 45 AD to 96 AD.

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  11. and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee — the head, and thou dost bruise him — the heel.

    Prediction of Christ’s intervention in Genesis 3:15.

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    • 4. Gen. 5:24 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Mark 16:19, Rev. 12:5
      5. Gen. 9:26, 27 The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem Luke 3:23-36
      6. Gen. 12:3 Seed of Abraham will bless all nations Galatians 3:8, Acts 3:25, 26
      7. Gen. 12:7 The Promise made to Abraham’s Seed Galatians 3:16
      8. Gen. 14:18 A priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 6:20
      9. Gen. 14:18 King of Peace and Righteousness Hebrews 7:2
      10. Gen. 14:18 The Last Supper foreshadowed Matthew 26:26-29
      11. Gen. 17:19 Seed of Isaac (Gen. 21:12) Romans 9:7
      12. Gen. 22:8 The Lamb of God promised John 1:29
      13. Gen. 22:18 As Isaac’s seed, will bless all nations Galatians 3:16
      14. Gen. 26:2-5 The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer Hebrews 11:18
      15. Gen. 28:12 The Bridge to heaven John 1:51
      16. 16. Gen. 28:14 The Seed of Jacob Luke 3:34
      17. Gen. 49:10 The time of His coming Luke 2:1-7; Galatians 4:4
      18. Gen. 49:10 The Seed of Judah Luke 3:33
      19. Gen. 49:10 Called Shiloh or One Sent John 17:3
      20. Gen. 49:10 Messiah to come before Judah lost identity John 11:47-52
      21. Gen. 49:10 Unto Him shall the obedience of the people be John 10:16
      22. Ex. 3:13-15 The Great “I AM” John 4:26, 8:58
      23. Ex. 12:3-6 The Lamb presented to Israel 4 days before Passover Mark 11:7-11
      24. Ex. 12:5 A Lamb without blemish Hebrews 9:14; 1Peter 1:19
      25. Ex. 12:13 The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath Romans 5:8
      26. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover 1Corinthians 5:7
      27. Ex. 12:46 Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken John 19:31-36
      28. Ex. 15:2 His exaltation predicted as Yeshua Acts 7:55, 56
      29. Ex. 15:11 His Character-Holiness Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
      30. Ex. 17:6 The Spiritual Rock of Israel 1Corinthians 10:4
      31. Ex. 33:19 His Character-Merciful Luke 1:72
      32. Lev. 1:2-9 His sacrifice a sweet smelling savor unto God Ephesians 5:2
      33. Lev. 14:11 The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood Luke 5:12-14; Acts 6:7
      34. Lev. 16:15-17 Prefigures Christ’s once-for-all death Hebrews 9:7-14
      35. Lev. 16:27 Suffering outside the Camp Matthew 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
      36. Lev. 17:11 The Blood-the life of the flesh Matthew 26:28; Mark 10:45
      37. Lev. 17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement Rom. 3:23-24; 1John 1:7
      38. Lev. 23:36-37 The Drink-offering: “If any man thirst” John 7:37
      39. Num. 9:12 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
      40. Num. 21:9 The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up John 3:14-18, 12:32
      41. Num. 24:17 Time: “I shall see him, but not now.” John 1:14; Galatians 4:4
      42. Deut. 18:15 “This is of a truth that prophet.” John 6:14
      43. Deut. 18:15-16 “Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me.” John 5:45-47
      44. Deut. 18:18 Sent by the Father to speak His word John 8:28, 29
      45. Deut. 18:19 Whoever will not hear must bear his sin Acts 3:22-23
      46. Deut. 21:23 Cursed is he that hangs on a tree Galatians 3:10-13
      47. Joshua 5:14-15 The Captain of our salvation Hebrews 2:10
      48. Ruth 4:4-10 Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us Ephesians 1:3-7
      49. 1 Sam. 2:35 A Faithful Priest Heb. 2:17, 3:1-3, 6, 7:24-25
      50. 1 Sam. 2:10 Shall be an anointed King to the Lord Mt. 28:18, John 12:15
      51. 2 Sam. 7:12 David’s Seed Matthew 1:1
      52. 2 Sam. 7:13 His Kingdom is everlasting 2Peter 1:11
      53. 2 Sam. 7:14a The Son of God Luke 1:32, Romans 1:3-4
      54. 2 Sam. 7:16 David’s house established forever Luke 3:31; Rev. 22:16
      55. 2 Ki. 2:11 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Luke 24:51
      56. 1 Chr. 17:11 David’s Seed Matthew 1:1, 9:27
      57. 1 Chr. 17:12-13 To reign on David’s throne forever Luke 1:32, 33

      Just a handful of the scriptures from the Old Testament predicting the ministry of Jesus Christ. The scripture is on the left, the prophecy in the middle and the fulfillment on the right.

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    • Let’s not forget. No one can explain how chapters 12-17 in John could have been anything other than the words of God’s Son, Jesus Christ. No one else has ever made claims like those found there. No one has ever spoken in those kinds of terms, in all of history, that is known. Nothing is even remotely similar.

      No one can conceive how someone other than Christ could possibly have thought of those things which he said about himself. People have never, ever, not even one time in all recorded history defined himself and his father and their relationship and their relationship with those gathered and listening, as he did. Nothing ever written down resembles what He communicated.

      What he said is truly beyond the capacity of words to explain properly. IOW, He spoke of beauty and love and closeness and divine communion between God and man through himself that was utterly precious, intimate and wonderful.

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    • The accuracy of the Bible, the fulfillment of these prophecies, and the miracles born inside believers, all attest to the reality and the precise nature of the mission of the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It is unmatched in human history. Also, again, it is significant that no one in two millennia has been able to discredit it though many, many have tried.

      It is indeed a magnificent recording of God’s interaction with mankind over thousands of years; one that has never been refuted.

      58. 1 Chr. 17:13 “I will be His Father, He…my Son.” Hebrews 1:5
      59. Job 9:32-33 Mediator between man and God 1 Timothy 2:5
      60. Job 19:23-27 The Resurrection predicted John 5:24-29
      61. Psa. 2:1-3 The enmity of kings foreordained Acts 4:25-28
      62. Psa. 2:2 To own the title, Anointed (Christ) John 1:41, Acts 2:36
      63. Psa. 2:6 His Character-Holiness John 8:46; Revelation 3:7
      64. Psa. 2:6 To own the title King Matthew 2:2
      65. Psa. 2:7 Declared the Beloved Son Matthew 3:17, Romans 1:4
      66. Psa. 2:7, 8 The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated Acts 13:29-33
      67. Psa. 2:8, 9 Rule the nations with a rod of iron Rev. 2:27, 12:5, 19:15
      68. Psa. 2:12 Life comes through faith in Him John 20:31
      69. Psa. 8:2 The mouths of babes perfect His praise Matthew 21:16
      70. Psa. 8:5, 6 His humiliation and exaltation Hebrews 2:5-9
      71. Psa. 9:7-10 Judge the world in righteousness Acts 17:31
      72. Psa. 16:10 Was not to see corruption Acts 2:31, 13:35
      73. Psa. 16:9-11 Was to arise from the dead John 20:9
      74. Psa. 17:15 The resurrection predicted Luke 24:6
      75. Psa. 18:2-3 The horn of salvation Luke 1:69-71
      76. Psa. 22:1 Forsaken because of sins of others 2 Corinthians 5:21
      77. Psa. 22:1 “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46
      78. Psa. 22:2 Darkness upon Calvary for three hours Matthew 27:45
      79. Psa. 22:7 They shoot out the lip and shake the head Matthew 27:39-44
      80. Psa. 22:8 “He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him” Matthew 27:43
      81. Psa. 22:9-10 Born the Saviour Luke 2:7
      82. Psa. 22:12-13 They seek His death John 19:6
      83. Psa. 22:14 His blood poured out when they pierced His side John 19:34
      84. Psa. 22:14, 15 Suffered agony on Calvary Mark 15:34-37
      85. Psa. 22:15 He thirsted John 19:28
      86. Psa. 22:16 They pierced His hands and His feet John 19:34, 37; 20:27
      87. Psa. 22:17, 18 Stripped Him before the stares of men Luke 23:34, 35
      88. Psa. 22:18 They parted His garments John 19:23, 24
      89. Psa. 22:20, 21 He committed Himself to God Luke 23:46
      90. Psa. 22:20, 21 Satanic power bruising the Redeemer’s heel Hebrews 2:14
      91. Psa. 22:22 His Resurrection declared John 20:17
      92. Psa. 22:27-28 He shall be the governor of the nations Colossians 1:16
      93. Psa. 22:31 “It is finished” John 19:30, Heb. 10:10, 12, 14, 18
      94. Psa. 23:1 “I am the Good Shepherd” John 10:11, 1Peter 2:25
      95. Psa. 24:3 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Philippians 2:9
      96. Psa. 30:3 His resurrection predicted Acts 2:32
      97. Psa. 31:5 “Into thy hands I commit my spirit” Luke 23:46
      98. Psa. 31:11 His acquaintances fled from Him Mark 14:50
      99. Psa. 31:13 They took counsel to put Him to death Mt. 27:1, John 11:53
      100. Psa. 31:14, 15 “He trusted in God, let Him deliver him” Matthew 27:43
      101. Psa. 34:20 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
      102. Psa. 35:11 False witnesses rose up against Him Matthew 26:59
      103. Psa. 35:19 He was hated without a cause John 15:25
      104. Psa. 38:11 His friends stood afar off Luke 23:49
      105. Psa. 38:12 Enemies try to entangle Him by craft Mark 14:1, Mt. 22:15
      106. Psa. 38:12-13 Silent before His accusers Matthew 27:12-14
      107. Psa. 38:20 He went about doing good Acts 10:38
      108. Psa. 40:2-5 The joy of His resurrection predicted John 20:20
      109. Psa. 40:6-8 His delight-the will of the Father John 4:34, Heb. 10:5-10
      110. Psa. 40:9 He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel Matthew 4:17
      111. Psa. 40:14 Confronted by adversaries in the Garden John 18:4-6
      112. Psa. 41:9 Betrayed by a familiar friend John 13:18
      113. Psa. 45:2 Words of Grace come from His lips John 1:17, Luke 4:22
      114. Psa. 45:6 To own the title, God or Elohim Hebrews 1:8
      115. Psa. 45:7 A special anointing by the Holy Spirit Mt. 3:16; Heb. 1:9
      116. Psa. 45:7, 8 Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed) Luke 2:11
      117. Psa. 45:17 His name remembered forever Ephesians 1:20-21, Heb. 1:8
      118. Psa. 55:12-14 Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy John 13:18
      119. Psa. 55:15 Unrepentant death of the Betrayer Matthew 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
      120. Psa. 68:18 To give gifts to men Ephesians 4:7-16
      121. Psa. 68:18 Ascended into Heaven Luke 24:51
      122. Psa. 69:4 Hated without a cause John 15:25
      123. Psa. 69:8 A stranger to own brethren John 1:11, 7:5
      124. Psa. 69:9 Zealous for the Lord’s House John 2:17
      125. Psa. 69:14-20 Messiah’s anguish of soul before crucifixion Matthew 26:36-45
      126. Psa. 69:20 “My soul is exceeding sorrowful.” Matthew 26:38
      127. Psa. 69:21 Given vinegar in thirst Matthew 27:34
      128. Psa. 69:26 The Saviour given and smitten by God John 17:4; 18:11
      129. Psa. 72:10, 11 Great persons were to visit Him Matthew 2:1-11
      130. Psa. 72:16 The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground John 12:24-25
      131. Psa. 72:17 Belief on His name will produce offspring John 1:12, 13
      132. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall be blessed by Him Galatians 3:8
      133. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall call Him blessed John 12:13, Rev. 5:8-12
      134. Psa. 78:1-2 He would teach in parables Matthew 13:34-35
      135. Psa. 78:2b To speak the Wisdom of God with authority Matthew 7:29
      136. Psa. 80:17 The Man of God’s right hand Mark 14:61-62
      137. Psa. 88 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary Matthew 27:26-50
      138. Psa. 88:8 They stood afar off and watched Luke 23:49
      139. Psa. 89:27 Firstborn Colossians 1:15, 18
      140. Psa. 89:27 Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings Luke 1:32, 33
      141. Psa. 89:35-37 David’s Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever Luke 1:32, 33
      142. Psa. 89:36-37 His character-Faithfulness Revelation 1:5, 19:11
      143. Psa. 90:2 He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2) John 1:1
      144. Psa. 91:11, 12 Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ Luke 4:10, 11
      145. Psa. 97:9 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Ephesians 1:20
      146. Psa. 100:5 His character-Goodness Matthew 19:16, 17
      147. Psa. 102:1-11 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary John 19:16-30
      148. Psa. 102:25-27 Messiah is the Preexistent Son Hebrews 1:10-12
      149. Psa. 109:25 Ridiculed Matthew 27:39
      150. Psa. 110:1 Son of David Matthew 22:42-43
      151. Psa. 110:1 To ascend to the right-hand of the Father Mark 16:19
      152. Psa. 110:1 David’s son called Lord Matthew 22:44, 45
      153. Psa. 110:4 A priest after Melchizedek’s order Hebrews 6:20
      154. Psa. 112:4 His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al Matthew 9:36
      155. Psa. 118:17, 18 Messiah’s Resurrection assured Luke 24:5-7; 1Cor. 15:20
      156. Psa. 118:22, 23 The rejected stone is Head of the corner Matthew 21:42, 43
      157. Psa. 118:26a The Blessed One presented to Israel Matthew 21:9
      158. Psa. 118:26b To come while Temple standing Matthew 21:12-15
      159. Psa. 132:11 The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body) Luke 1:32, Act 2:30
      160. Psa. 129:3 He was scourged Matthew 27:26
      161. Psa. 138:1-6 The supremacy of David’s Seed amazes kings Matthew 2:2-6
      162. Psa. 147:3, 6 The earthly ministry of Christ described Luke 4:18
      163. Prov. 1:23 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7
      164. Prov. 8:23 Foreordained from everlasting Rev. 13:8, 1Peter 1:19-20
      165. Song. 5:16 The altogether lovely One John 1:17
      166. Isa. 2:3 He shall teach all nations John 4:25
      167. Isa. 2:4 He shall judge among the nations John 5:22
      168. Isa. 6:1 When Isaiah saw His glory John 12:40-41
      169. Isa. 6:8 The One Sent by God John 12:38-45
      170. Isa. 6:9-10 Parables fall on deaf ears Matthew 13:13-15
      171. Isa. 6:9-12 Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words Acts 28:23-29
      172. Isa. 7:14 To be born of a virgin Luke 1:35
      173. Isa. 7:14 To be Emmanuel-God with us Matthew 1:18-23, 1Tim. 3:16
      174. Isa. 8:8 Called Emmanuel Matthew 28:20
      175. Isa. 8:14 A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense 1Peter 2:8
      176. Isa. 9:1, 2 His ministry to begin in Galilee Matthew 4:12-17
      177. Isa. 9:6 A child born-Humanity Luke 1:31
      178. Isa. 9:6 A Son given-Deity Luke 1:32, John 1:14, 1Tim. 3:16
      179. Isa. 9:6 Declared to be the Son of God with power Romans 1:3, 4
      180. Isa. 9:6 The Wonderful One, Peleh Luke 4:22
      181. Isa. 9:6 The Counsellor, Yaatz Matthew 13:54
      182. Isa. 9:6 The Mighty God, El Gibor 1Cor. 1:24, Titus 2:13
      183. Isa. 9:6 The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth John 8:58, 10:30
      184. Isa. 9:6 The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom John 16:33
      185. Isa. 9:7 Inherits the throne of David Luke 1:32
      186. Isa. 9:7 His Character-Just John 5:30
      187. Isa. 9:7 No end to his Government, Throne, and kingdom Luke 1:33
      188. Isa. 11:1 Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer Matthew 2:23
      189. Isa. 11:1 A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse Luke 3:23, 32
      190. Isa. 11:2 Anointed One by the Spirit Matthew 3:16, 17, Acts 10:38
      191. Isa. 11:2 His Character-Wisdom, Knowledge, et al Colossians 2:3
      192. Isa. 11:3 He would know their thoughts Luke 6:8, John 2:25
      193. Isa. 11:4 Judge in righteousness Acts 17:31
      194. Isa. 11:4 Judges with the sword of His mouth Rev. 2:16, 19:11, 15
      195. Isa. 11:5 Character: Righteous & Faithful Rev. 19:11
      196. Isa. 11:10 The Gentiles seek Him John 12:18-21
      197. Isa. 12:2 Called Jesus-Yeshua Matthew 1:21
      198. Isa. 22:22 The One given all authority to govern Revelation 3:7
      199. Isa. 25:8 The Resurrection predicted 1Corinthians 15:54
      200. Isa. 26:19 His power of Resurrection predicted Matthew 27:50-54
      201. Isa. 28:16 The Messiah is the precious corner stone Acts 4:11, 12
      202. Isa. 28:16 The Sure Foundation 1Corinthians 3:11, Mt. 16:18
      203. Isa. 29:13 He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word Matthew 15:7-9
      204. Isa. 29:14 The wise are confounded by the Word 1Corinthians 1:18-31
      205. Isa. 32:2 A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place Matthew 23:37
      206. Isa. 35:4 He will come and save you Matthew 1:21
      207. Isa. 35:5-6 To have a ministry of miracles Matthew 11:2-6
      208. Isa. 40:3, 4 Preceded by forerunner John 1:23
      209. Isa. 40:9 “Behold your God.” John 1:36; 19:14
      210. Isa. 40:10. He will come to reward Revelation 22:12
      211. Isa. 40:11 A shepherd-compassionate life-giver John 10:10-18
      212. Isa. 42:1-4 The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer Matthew 12:18-21
      213. Isa. 42:2 Meek and lowly Matthew 11:28-30
      214. Isa. 42:3 He brings hope for the hopeless John 4
      215. Isa. 42:4 The nations shall wait on His teachings John 12:20-26
      216. Isa. 42:6 The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles Luke 2:32
      217. Isa. 42:1, 6 His is a worldwide compassion Matthew 28:19, 20
      218. Isa. 42:7 Blind eyes opened. John 9:25-38
      219. Isa. 43:11 He is the only Saviour. Acts 4:12
      220. Isa. 44:3 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7, 13
      221. Isa. 45:21-25 He is Lord and Saviour Philippians 3:20, Titus 2:13
      222. Isa. 45:23 He will be the Judge John 5:22; Romans 14:11
      223. Isa. 46:9, 10 Declares things not yet done John 13:19
      224. Isa. 48:12 The First and the Last John 1:30, Revelation 1:8, 17
      225. Isa. 48:16, 17 He came as a Teacher John 3:2
      226. Isa. 49:1 Called from the womb-His humanity Matthew 1:18
      227. Isa. 49:5 A Servant from the womb. Luke 1:31, Philippians 2:7
      228. Isa. 49:6 He will restore Israel Acts 3:19-21, 15:16-17
      229. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation for Israel Luke 2:29-32
      230. Isa. 49:6 He is the Light of the Gentiles John 8:12, Acts 13:47
      231. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth Acts 15:7-18
      232. Isa. 49:7 He is despised of the Nation John 1:11, 8:48-49, 19:14-15
      233. Isa. 50:3 Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation Luke 23:44, 45
      234. Isa. 50:4 He is a learned counselor for the weary Matthew 7:29, 11:28, 29
      235. Isa. 50:5 The Servant bound willingly to obedience Matthew 26:39
      236. Isa. 50:6a “I gave my back to the smiters.” Matthew 27:26
      237. Isa. 50:6b He was smitten on the cheeks Matthew 26:67
      238. Isa. 50:6c He was spat upon Matthew 27:30
      239. Isa. 52:7 Published good tidings upon mountains Matthew 5:12,15:29,28:16
      240. Isa. 52:13 The Servant exalted Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22, Php. 2:5-9
      241. Isa. 52:14 The Servant shockingly abused Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
      242. Isa. 52:15 Nations startled by message of the Servant Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
      243. Isa. 52:15 His blood shed sprinkles nations Hebrews 9:13-14, Rev. 1:5
      244. Isa. 53:1 His people would not believe Him John 12:37-38
      245. Isa. 53:2 Appearance of an ordinary man Philippians 2:6-8
      246. Isa. 53:3a Despised Luke 4:28-29
      247. Isa. 53:3b Rejected Matthew 27:21-23
      248. Isa. 53:3c Great sorrow and grief Matthew 26:37-38, Luke 19:41, Heb. 4:15
      249. Isa. 53:3d Men hide from being associated with Him Mark 14:50-52
      250. Isa. 53:4a He would have a healing ministry Matthew 8:16-17
      251. Isa. 53:4b Thought to be cursed by God Matthew 26:66, 27:41-43
      252. Isa. 53:5a Bears penalty for mankind’s iniquities 2Cor. 5:21, Heb. 2:9
      253. Isa. 53:5b His sacrifice provides peace between man and God Colossians 1:20
      254. Isa. 53:5c His sacrifice would heal man of sin 1Peter 2:24
      255. Isa. 53:6a He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind 1John 2:2, 4:10
      256. Isa. 53:6b God’s will that He bear sin for all mankind Galatians 1:4
      257. Isa. 53:7a Oppressed and afflicted Matthew 27:27-31
      258. Isa. 53:7b Silent before his accusers Matthew 27:12-14
      259. Isa. 53:7c Sacrificial lamb John 1:29, 1Peter 1:18-19
      260. Isa. 53:8a Confined and persecuted Matthew 26:47-27:31
      261. Isa. 53:8b He would be judged John 18:13-22
      262. Isa. 53:8c Killed Matthew 27:35
      263. Isa. 53:8d Dies for the sins of the world 1John 2:2
      264. Isa. 53:9a Buried in a rich man’s grave Matthew 27:57
      265. Isa. 53:9b Innocent and had done no violence Luke 23:41, John 18:38
      266. Isa. 53:9c No deceit in his mouth 1Peter 2:22
      267. Isa. 53:10a God’s will that He die for mankind John 18:11
      268. Isa. 53:10b An offering for sin Matthew 20:28, Galatians 3:13
      269. Isa. 53:10c Resurrected and live forever Romans 6:9
      270. Isa. 53:10d He would prosper John 17:1-5
      271. Isa. 53:11a God fully satisfied with His suffering John 12:27
      272. Isa. 53:11b God’s servant would justify man Romans 5:8-9, 18-19
      273. Isa. 53:11c The sin-bearer for all mankind Hebrews 9:28
      274. Isa. 53:12a Exalted by God because of his sacrifice Matthew 28:18
      275. Isa. 53:12b He would give up his life to save mankind Luke 23:46
      276. Isa. 53:12c Numbered with the transgressors Mark 15:27-28
      277. Isa. 53:12d Sin-bearer for all mankind 1Peter 2:24
      278. Isa. 53:12e Intercede to God in behalf of mankind Luke 23:34, Rom. 8:34
      279. Isa. 55:3 Resurrected by God Acts 13:34
      280. Isa. 55:4a A witness John 18:37
      281. Isa. 55:4b He is a leader and commander Hebrews 2:10
      282. Isa. 55:5 God would glorify Him Acts 3:13
      283. Isa. 59:16a Intercessor between man and God Matthew 10:32
      284. Isa. 59:16b He would come to provide salvation John 6:40
      285. Isa. 59:20 He would come to Zion as their Redeemer Luke 2:38
      286. Isa. 60:1-3 He would shew light to the Gentiles Acts 26:23
      287. Isa. 61:1a The Spirit of God upon him Matthew 3:16-17
      288. Isa. 61:1b The Messiah would preach the good news Luke 4:16-21
      289. Isa. 61:1c Provide freedom from the bondage of sin John 8:31-36
      290. Isa. 61:1-2a Proclaim a period of grace Galatians 4:4-5
      291. Jer. 11:21 Conspiracy to kill Jesus John 7:1, Matthew 21:38
      292. Jer. 23:5-6 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
      293. Jer. 23:5-6 The Messiah would be both God and Man John 13:13, 1Ti 3:16
      294. Jer. 31:22 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-20
      295. Jer. 31:31 The Messiah would be the new covenant Matthew 26:28
      296. Jer. 33:14-15 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
      297. Eze.34:23-24 Descendant of David Matthew 1:1
      298. Eze.37:24-25 Descendant of David Luke 1:31-33
      299. Dan. 2:44-45 The Stone that shall break the kingdoms Matthew 21:44
      300. Dan. 7:13-14a He would ascend into heaven Acts 1:9-11
      301. Dan. 7:13-14b Highly exalted Ephesians 1:20-22
      302. Dan. 7:13-14c His dominion would be everlasting Luke 1:31-33
      303. Dan. 9:24a To make an end to sins Galatians 1:3-5
      304. Dan. 9:24a To make reconciliation for iniquity Romans 5:10, 2Cor. 5:18-21
      305. Dan. 9:24b He would be holy Luke 1:35
      306. Dan. 9:25 His announcement John 12:12-13
      307. Dan. 9:26a Cut off Matthew 16:21, 21:38-39
      308. Dan. 9:26b Die for the sins of the world Hebrews 2:9
      309. Dan. 9:26c Killed before the destruction of the temple Matthew 27:50-51
      310. Dan. 10:5-6 Messiah in a glorified state Revelation 1:13-16
      311. Hos. 11:1 He would be called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
      312. Hos. 13:14 He would defeat death 1Corinthians 15:55-57
      313. Joel 2:32 Offer salvation to all mankind Romans 10:9-13
      314. Jonah 1:17 Death and resurrection of Christ Matthew 12:40, 16:4
      315. Mic. 5:2a Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1-6
      316. Mic. 5:2b Ruler in Israel Luke 1:33
      317. Mic. 5:2c From everlasting John 8:58
      318. Hag. 2:6-9 He would visit the second Temple Luke 2:27-32
      319. Hag. 2:23 Descendant of Zerubbabel Luke 2:27-32
      320. Zech. 3:8 God’s servant John 17:4
      321. Zech. 6:12-13 Priest and King Hebrews 8:1
      322. Zech. 9:9a Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem Matthew 21:8-10
      323. Zech. 9:9b Beheld as King John 12:12-13
      324. Zech. 9:9c The Messiah would be just John 5:30
      325. Zech. 9:9d The Messiah would bring salvation Luke 19:10
      326. Zech. 9:9e The Messiah would be humble Matthew 11:29
      327. Zech. 9:9f Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey Matthew 21:6-9
      328. Zech. 10:4 The cornerstone Ephesians 2:20
      329. Zech. 11:4-6a At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders Matthew 23:1-4
      330. Zech. 11:4-6b Rejection causes God to remove His protection Luke 19:41-44
      331. Zech. 11:4-6c Rejected in favor of another king John 19:13-15
      332. Zech. 11:7 Ministry to “poor,” the believing remnant Matthew 9:35-36
      333. Zech. 11:8a Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them Matthew 23:33
      334. Zech. 11:8b Despised Matthew 27:20
      335. Zech. 11:9 Stops ministering to those who rejected Him Matthew 13:10-11
      336. Zech. 11:10-11a Rejection causes God to remove protection Luke 19:41-44
      337. Zech. 11:10-11b The Messiah would be God John 14:7
      338. Zech. 11:12-13a Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver Matthew 26:14-15
      339. Zech. 11:12-13b Rejected Matthew 26:14-15
      340. Zech. 11:12-13c Thirty pieces of silver cast in the house of the Lord Matthew 27:3-5
      341. Zech. 11:12-13d The Messiah would be God John 12:45
      342. Zech. 12:10a The Messiah’s body would be pierced John 19:34-37
      343. Zech. 12:10b The Messiah would be both God and man John 10:30
      344. Zech. 12:10c The Messiah would be rejected John 1:11
      345. Zech. 13:7a God’s will He die for mankind John 18:11
      346. Zech. 13:7b A violent death Mark 14:27
      347. Zech. 13:7c Both God and man John 14:9
      348. Zech. 13:7d Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him Matthew 26:31-56
      349. Zech. 14:4 He would return to the Mt. of Olives Acts 1:11-12
      350. Mal. 3:1a Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah Mark 1:1-8
      351. Mal. 3:1b Sudden appearance at the temple Mark 11:15-16
      352. Mal. 3:1c Messenger of the new covenant Luke 4:43
      353. Mal. 3:6 The God who changes not Hebrews 13:8
      354. Mal. 4:5 Forerunner in spirit of Elijah Mt. 3:1-3, 11:10-14, 17:11-13
      355. Mal. 4:6 Forerunner would turn many to righteousness Luke 1:16-17

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    • Looks impressive, but those people who really knew the TaNaKH disagree:

      Check out: http://www.truth2u.org/tag/365-messianic-prophecies/

      messiah tanakh.jpg

       

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  12. Great copy & paste job, not sure how it relates to the current subject.

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  13. In a longer treatment of the issue Hurtado reiterates a number of Hill’s points
    on spacing and adds the critique that Tuckett errs primarily on methodological
    grounds by not giving due attention to all of the physical features of the papyrus and
    by not adhering to a proper historical method in establishing probabilities.
    Regarding the former, Hurtado shows that a more comprehensive assessment of the
    scribal hand of P52 reveals a certain level of irregularity in the size, shape and
    spacing of letters, a fact which should prompt hesitation in drawing conclusions from
    the number of letters presumed to be in lacunae. Regarding historical method, he
    says, “surely the right procedure is to reason from the known to the unknown in
    making inferences about the lacunae,” with “the known” being “the pervasive
    preference for nomina sacra by Christian scribes of the second century and
    thereafter,” especially for Ιησους. L D BELL 2015

    Tuckett was wrong

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  14. Whenever the accuracy of the scriptures is challenged, a myriad of proofs may be engaged to refute that position. Establishing a few of the fulfilled prophecies is one simple way.

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  15. “Jesus clearly said He would give the Holy Spirit to empower the apostles to be led into all the truth, and to remember all that Jesus taught them, and that Jesus would given them new insights (John 16:12) and then later, they wrote every thing down.”

    we all know this is a big lie because “holy spirit” clearly did not work.
    peter had the power to move mountains and raise jesus back to life (after all jesus the man bit was merely flesh) so why did peter choose to lie even with all these powers?

    all of them left jesus and forsook him. who wouldn’t after someone tells you to eat their flesh and drink their blood?

    or was it that every time “holy spirit” battery power went weak peter inspired christians to write pseudepigrapha?

    the “holy spirit” could not stop the lies of the guards and those became “known till THIS day”

    christians were lying to counter lies and forgeries.

    deciples were not in every place to see what christians were forging under their floor boards.

    j

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  16. just *

    quote:
    Attestation. Church Fathers (primarily but not limited to Irenaeus and Tertullian) attest to versions of Luke that omit the birth narratives. It is known that the version of Luke that circulated in Marcionite churches in the mid-2nd C did not have them, and that Marcionite churches were prominent. This is as good as having a physical manuscript whose papyrus and palaeography date to mid-2nd C that omit the chapters. Imagine that! Of course these Church Fathers, in trying to distance themselves from Marcion, claimed that Marcion had removed the chapters, but they fail to provide compelling evidence and argument. Scholar Jason BeDuhn in his book “The First New Testament Canon: Marcion’s Scriptural Canon” summarizes: “[criticism by the Church Fathers that Marcion edited out Luke 1 & 2] was at best a guess on their part, and it cannot be given any weight as history just on their word” (p.69/70)

    damn! how are we going to RECONSTRUCT those manuscripts which omit the birth narratives. those ARE LONG gone.

    what else did they lack?

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  17. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    He is the gospel. He is the kingdom. And He lives inside me. That is the gospel of Jesus

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  18. Check out this article of mine. I have explained what by Injeel we Muslims actually mean.

    https://izhaarulhaqq.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/what-is-injeel/

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    • A very good article brother, it really is helpful in explaining the muslim position. Now the thing that continue to fascinate me is theoretically there should have been original aramaic “gospel” of nabi Isa still intact..

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    • Amazing article , br Ibn Adam.

      Br. Eric, I think your question is very good one. I believe Ibn Taymiyya has dealt with it in his masterpiece (Al jawab Al Sahih).
      Also, In Islamic traditions about the end of days, there are some hadiths (((which are very weak))) about the true injil, and where we can find it.
      In addition, Quran told us about that Injil. It has the parable of Sahaba, for example. The main message of Injil is reaffirming the teaching of Torah.
      And we need to be aware that the word (book) in Quran doesn’t mean document necessarily. Therefore, parables/sayings of Jesus (could) be seen as part of that injil even if he didn’t command to be written. Allah knows the best.

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