LOL So Muslims appeal to a Rabid ZIONIST JEW, who believes that Yeshua is the son of a whore, who is boiling in semen. Who in Jewish circles will not even pronounce Jesus name instead saying “that J person” or miss pronouncing it so his name means “May his name be blotted out”
You said;
LOL So Muslims appeal to a Rabid ZIONIST JEW, who believes that Yeshua is the son of a whore, who is boiling in semen. Who in Jewish circles will not even pronounce Jesus name instead saying “that J person” or miss pronouncing it so his name means “May his name be blotted out”
Yup Muslims are consistent as ever.
I say;
With all the insults of Jesus Christ by Jews, Christians now worship Jews and are contributing a lot of money for them(Jews). Some Christians on this blog went further to believe what Jews say by adding them to his Christian faith and combined them as Judeo-Christian. That is Ken Temple, who does not believe his Christian value alone saved the West but he includes the Jewish(who believes Yeshua is the son of a whore) as part of what saved him. Why did you not question Ken Temple for believing and appealing to Jews who insults his God? YOU ARE INCONSITENT TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE. You just want to attack Islam and Muslims when you get the chance.
It is amazing for a Zionist Jew to tell the truth, even though Christians are helping him to annihilate the Palestinians but he can’t resist telling the truth and saying what is true in that Muslims worship one God like his(the Rabbi) God but Christians are idol worshipers. The Rabbi and Jews will pray in a Muslim Mosque but will not even enter into a Christians Church because they are worshiping idolatry.
Some Jewish Zionist try to hide the truth by not saying what this brave Rabbi said into to continue to get their money from Christians but this Rabbi and others will not care about the donations he is getting from Christians but will tell the truth.
Not all Jews are Zionist and some prominent Jews in British Parliament have resigned as Zionist because of the evil involved in Zionism and now he and millions of Jews are openly supporting the Palestinians from the white phosphorous poison and other deadly weapons used on them by the donation of the Christians Zionists who worship the state of Israel according to the Bible. These type of Christians like some Christian commenters here on this blog will always find fault for the Palestinians but worship the Zionist and support any killings the Zionist do and that is BARBARIC AND LACK OF HEART IN THEIR CHEST.
Jewish Rabbi Crushes Yahya Snow and all other Muslims who appeal to Jewish Rabbi’s to attack Christ.
The great Jewish Rabbi Maimonides writing to Jews in Yemen about 1172 had these wonderful things to say about Mohamed, Islam and Muslims.
After attacking Jesus (saying repeatedly “May His bones be turned to dust”), as un believing apostate Jews usually do, he has this to say about Mohamed.
“After him arose the Madman who emulated his precursor since he paved the way for him. But he added the further objective of procuring rule and submission, and he invented his well known religion. All of these men purposed to place their teachings on the same level with our divine religion.” (Letter to the Yemen Section IV)
After calling Mohamed a “MADMAN” he then calls Muslims Simpletons.”But only a simpleton who lacks knowledge of both would liken divine institutions to human practices. ” (Letter to the Yemen Section IV)
It seems that Muslims where using the same arguments for Mohamed in the bible back in the 12th century that they use today….
“n your letter you mention that the apostle has spurred on a number of people to believe that several verses in Scripture allude to the Madman, such as “bimeod meod”5 (Genesis 17:20), “he shined forth from Mount Paran”6 (Deuteronomy 33:1), “a prophet from the midst of thee” (Deuteronomy 18:15), and the promise to Ishmael “I will make him a great nation” (Genesis 17:20). ” (Letter to the Yemen Section VIII)
Maimonides crushes Muslims who use this argument calling them “nauseating…feeble…ridiculous and absurd in the extreme.”
“These arguments have been rehearsed so often that they have become nauseating. It is not enough to declare that they are altogether feeble; nay, to cite as proofs these verses is ridiculous and absurd in the extreme.” (Letter to the Yemen Section VIII)
He calls Muslims “duped… and… deluded by such specious proof,”
“You write in your letter, that some people were duped by the argument that Mohammed is alluded to in the verse “A prophet will the Lord thy God raise up unto thee, from the midst of thee, of thy brethren” (Deuteronomy 18:15), while others remained unconvinced because of the phrase “from the midst of thee.” It is most astonishing that some folks should be deluded by such specious proof, (Letter to the Yemen Section IX)
He goes on Crush Muslims even more in section XVIII saying that Islam is a punishment for the sins of the Jews… saying that the Arabs persecute Jews severely… “Remember, my co-religionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins, God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us,”
He continues on saying that Arabs have persecuted, molested, degraded, debased and hated the Jews even more than the Christians. He even points out that King David prayed on behalf of future generations who fell into the hands of the Ishmaelites… “Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they. Therefore when David, of blessed memory, inspired by the holy spirit, envisaged the future tribulations of Israel, he bewailed and lamented their lot only in the Kingdom of Ishmael, and prayed in their behalf, for their deliverance…”(Letter to the Yemens XVIIII)
He continues to call Mohamed a Madman and imbecile. “Note the distinction between Kedar and the children of Ishmael, for the Madman and imbecile is of the lineage of the children of Kedar as they readily admit.” (Letter to the Yemen Section XVIII)
I could quote a lot more but I think that is enough for now. Enjoy
Muslims do not appeal to Jews or Christians, on the contrary you as a Christian would be lost without Muslims and in order to prove my point, I would challenge you and all of your Christendom to prove the following 2 points from reliable, external (non-Christian) sources:
1- Prove that Yeshua was the Jewish messiah.
2- Prove that Yeshua was born of a virgin
If you cannot produce reliable non-Christian evidence to the above, then you must admit that you believe what the Jews, even inside your own New Testament, called Jesus, at best “son of Joseph” and at worse, I do not want to utter it because my Islamic faith has respect for the messengers of God, regardless of what your Christian opinion tells you about Islam.
If you cannot meet the above challenge, then please accept what you Jewish masters have to say about him according to the texts on the following Christian site:
But let’s not be carried away and accuse the Jews of anything with regards to who Jesus is, your own New Testament says enough all by itself in: Luke 4:22 “All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.”
NONE OF THE ABOVE IS A MUSLIM/ISLAMIC VIEW, ALL ARE VIEWS OF THEIR AUTHORS, NAMELY THE NT AND THE TALMUD.
Rise up to the challenge or keep your peace.
As for Maimonides, may I suggest that you Christians stop forging and falsifying history, it is bad enough that you falsified the word of God, the works of Josephus, you have been caught red-handed falsifying even the works of Maimonides. Maimonides lived and died under Muslim rule, so imagine him writing such words about Islam, Mohammad or the Quran, and living after it. You Christians are pathetic, you have forsaken the great gift of God, brains, for the lies your churches have brainwashed you with.
Answer the challenge, if you can, or be quiet and do not brag. Islam came to correct both Judaism (on their rejection of Yeshua the Jewish messiah) and to correct Christianity (on their trinity, deity of Yeshua and vicarious sacrifice falsehoods). It’s no surprise that Christianity has been so eager to eradicate Islam ever since its advent because it opposes its pagan man-made doctrines.
“Oh dear Bobby – have you forgotten to take your medication again?”
My response: So you can’t refute what I wrote so instead you make false attacks against me. Yup consistent as ever. BTW I’m not on meds, I’m not a Muslim I don’t follow a “Madman and Imbecile” like “simpleton” Muslims do, according to one of Judiasm’s greatest sages and Rabbi’s the Great Rambam, Maimonides.
But here is something even funnier according to the Rambam…
““…it is permitted to teach the commandments and the explanations according to [rabbinic] law
to the Christians, but it is prohibited to do likewise for the Muslims. You know, in effect, that
according to their belief this Torah is not from heaven and if you teach them something, they will
find it contrary to their tradition, because their practices are confused and their opinions bizarre
mippnei she-ba’uu la-hem debariim be-ma`asiim [because a mish-mash of various practices
and strange, inapplicable statements were received by them.] What [one teaches them] will
not convince them of the falseness of their opinions, but they will interpret it according to their
erroneous principles and they will oppress us. [F]or this reason…they hate all [non-Muslims]
who live among them. It would then just be a stumbling block for the Israelites who, because of
their sins, are in captivity among them. On the contrary, the uncircumcised [Christians] admit
that the text of the Torah, such as we have it, is intact. They interpret it only in an erroneous way
and use it for purposes of the allegorical exegesis that is proper to them Ve-yirmezuu bah ha-
remaziim hay-yedu`iim la-hem [They would exchange secret signs known only to them.] If one
informs them about the correct interpretation, there is hope that they will return from their error,
and even if they do not, there is not stumbling block for Israel, for they do not find in their
Why?
The question is by the caller and that is “does the Rabbi view Muslims and Christians as polytheists and idol worshipers?”. The Rabbi said, Muslims are monotheists and he the Rabbi and Jews will pray in a Muslim Mosque but Christians are idol worshipers and polytheists because they worship man and he will not even enter into a Church except for a purpose.
You have just quoted a Jew who hate Muslims like your self and both he and yourself never addressed why Muslims are polytheists.
It is on record and history that Muslims saved the Jews from the barbaric Christian persecution and all Jews whether they are Zionist or not acknowledge the help of the Muslims and no distortions by your source Robert can erase that.
The Christians, if they have any opportunity will exterminate and annihilate others including themselves like how Protestants and Catholics were at the verge of eliminating each other after they exterminated the Jews and the Muslims from Spain and Europe and luckily the liberals stopped the Christians from their extermination and annihilation process and brought rule of law, constitution and freedom of religion to disallow the annihilation and extermination instincts of Christians. Now, except few good God fearing evangelical Christians, most evangelical Christians are Zionists and have taken their extermination and annihilation instincts to the poor Palestinians by donating money to Zionists to use poison to annihilate the Palestinians and some heartless Christians on this blog supports that. It is a shame.
Some Christians are indeed Good and God fearing and it was written in the Quran. Most Jews are good except a few Zionist who are bent of exterminating the indigenous Palestinians by building settlements on the Palestinians lands and armed to the teeth and will shoot any Palestinian within few meters to the settlement and some heartless commenters here supports this racist and barbaric act.
You miss the point. Nobody is claiming we must accept what every Jew in history said based on our use of Tovia Singer. That would be silly.
However, the Jews believe in the same book as you (you call it an Old Testament), Singer is basing his objections to the Trinity and the alleged divinity of Jesus p on the very texts Trinitarians believe to be the 100% inspired words of God.
You’ve got an issue, don’t you not think?
Rather than thinking about it, you spam a load of negative comments attributed to Jews towards Muslims. On top of this you claim this Jews (and others) believe/say horrible things about Jesus (I won;t quote what you have pasted out of respect for somebody who I love, Jesus p) yet you America Christians are bank rolling Jews everyday through your taxes. Many of you guys go around saying ‘I love Israel’.
And let’s not forget, you believe Jesus p was a Jew and he was God. Thus, you believe the Jews, including Singer, are relatives of God.
I think you need to start thinking about these points.
Due to his cut and paste “research”, Robert Wells forgets that it was Maimonides who said that Jews could pray in a mosque but not in a church, as Rabbi Singer mentioned! Maimonides, despite all his vitriol against Islam and the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), nevertheless recognized that Muslims shunned idol worship and were true monotheists, whereas Christians were guilty of idolatry due to their worship of Jesus (peace be upon him). It was for this reason that he forbade Jews from ever praying in a church, but allowed them to pray in a mosque if the need ever arose.
You said;
You miss the point. Nobody is claiming we must accept what every Jew in history said based on our use of Tovia Singer. That would be silly.
I say;
Not only Rabbi Tovia, you could use any Jew and that Jew will tell you that Muslims are monotheists and they believe in Muslim God, but Christian God is a man and that Christian God is not their(Jews) God and that Christians are idol worshipers and polytheists.
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And all the Jews believe Muslims are monotheists but the most of the Jews and Christians did covert during our prophets time but some will remain their religion, no matter how they have seen the truth.
I want an evidence of only one practicing Jew who will say Jesus is his God or he the Jew worships 3 persons. Just only one practicing Jew. Yet all Jews are on our(Muslims) side that we do worship only one, true and alone God of Abraham.
Yahya, I am your fan and I pray Allah to strengthen you to continue your work on exposing the lies of the Islamohobes like Robert Wells as he himself admits he is an Islamophobe and it needs a true researcher like you and other dedicated Muslims like Paul Williams, Eric, Ijaz, Dr. Shabbir etc. to reduce their impact.
I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.
I am interested if Wells can you provide the original arabic this letter to the Yemen from Maimonides / Rambam
A good friend of mine who is a rabbi (whom I learnt biblical hebrew from) have studied many of Rambam works said that in general Rambam view is positive toward Islam as a genuine continuation of monotheistic teaching from Abraham. Islam is not Avodah Zarah
The Epistle Concerning Yemen was composed as the result of specific occasion in Jewish community in Yemen in response to a Yemenite sage, Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi . It was during a period of violent confrontation in the hand of a Jewish apostate who embraced Islam. To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he even began persecuting his Jewish communities. Also at just about this time, an jewish rabbi appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
My Response to the both of you: NO I’m not a Muslim so I’m not confused and since both of you
really miss the point I will POINT it out to you.
Point number 1:
You appeal to a Lying Zionist JEW to validate your false belief. So you turn to someone who
under any other circumstances you would say is a liar to justify your claim.
Point number 2. This lying Zionist Jew, believes that Jesus (whose peace and blessings in on
Christians) is a bastard child, who is in hell, boiling in semen and excrement.
Point number 3. Not only do you want such a man to pray in your Masjid but you are proud that
un believing blaspheming apostate Jews can do such. I for one do not want and I rejoice
that such people can not an do not pray in Christian churches. I SAY AMEN TO THAT.
Pint number 4. This lying Zionist Jew is Lying to you. Since no where in the Talmud, there is no
Mishna that declares Christians to be Idolatrous. Actually just the opposite as I have already pointed
out. BTW my Rabbi trumps your Rabbi lol. As the Rambam has stated, Jews can teach Torah to Christians
as we are just in error in interpreting it, where as you Muslims are complete blasphemers and teaching
the divine law to you, which you find “contrary…” to your “confused…” and “bizarre…” practices and opinions
will cause Israel much hardship.
There is more I could say on this but hey you keep appealing and praying with lying Zionist Jews who insult
your prophet Jesus(who’s peace and blessings is on Christians). I’m sure allah is really pleased with that.
Eric wrote…
“I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.”
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
Eric wrote…
A good friend of mine who is a rabbi (whom I learnt biblical hebrew from) have studied many of Rambam works said that in
general Rambam view is positive toward Islam as a genuine continuation of monotheistic teaching from Abraham.
My response: LOL yah so positive that he forbids Jews from teaching Torah to Muslims, so positive that he calls Mohamed a MADMAN, so positive that
he calls Muslims “imbeciles and simpletons” so positive that he declares your practices “confused…” and your “opinions bizare”.
So positive that he considers Islam to be a ” mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements”. So positive that he believes Muslims “hate all [non-Muslims]who live among them.”… Well if that’s the case, then I have a very positive opinion of Islam, because I believe the same things
about Islam.
Yah the Rambam is so Positive about Islam that he considers it punishment for Israel’s SINS, so positive that even though he lived during the time of all four crusades he still says that Muslims “persecuted…, molested…, degraded…, debased and hated…” the Jews even more than the Christians.
Erick I think you need a English dictionary, none of these things are even generally positive… lol
Erick Wrote…
The Epistle Concerning Yemen was composed as the result of specific occasion in Jewish community in Yemen in response to a Yemenite sage, Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi .
It was during a period of violent confrontation in the hand of a Jewish apostate who embraced Islam. To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he even began persecuting his Jewish communities.
Also at just about this time, an jewish rabbi appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
My Response: Ok and? How does that change any of the things he wrote? How does that soften his words?
One last thing Erik, you do realize that the Rambam believed in something called “Negative theology” and in such any statement you find from him in regards to Islam is not about Tahweed, its not about Sunni Muslims. Nope he is referring to the Mutazilites. As a matter of fact he said of your “confused” doctrine that you are worse then the Christians for you have turned one God into 99 gods lol.
Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.
The point you can not refute is Rambam/ Maimonides has generally positive view of Islam.
He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,
This is very very serious charge against christianity.
Not only Rambam rules explicitly that christians are idolaters and Avodah Zarah (foreign worship – this is the greatest sin in Judaism punishable by death ), he even prohibits any commerce with them on their weekly feast-day, i.e. Sunday. See (Avodah Zarah 9:4). This is a very strong condemnation and he says nothing of this kind against Islam.
In Judaism , Jews are compelled to martyrdom rather than embrace avodah zarah. Yet the Rambam argues in his Iggeret ha-Shemad that even Jews who had been forcefully converted to Islam were not embracing avodah zarah and should not have accepted death rather than conversion. But any who had been forcefully converted to christianity must then better accept death in order to avoid the path of eternally of those eternally damnation by God.
The point remain no matter how you want to abuse Rambam writings against Islam, Maimonides view lean much more positive view of Islam compared to Christianity.
Thats why from the halachah in Hilchot Ma’achalot Assurot, many jewis rabbi understands Islam as being on the same level as the religious practice of the ger toshav, the non-Jew accepting the seven Noahide commandments. Islam is not idolatry, and as thus the prohibitions being instituted for idolaters don’t apply for Muslims.
“I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.”
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
I say;
Who ever Rabbi Tovia is, Rabbi Tovia agreed with Muslims in that, Muslims worship One, Only and Alone God of Abraham as the Bible said and therefore Muslims are monotheists and Muslims are not polytheists and he like any Jew will support Muslims on this one.
Rabbi Tovia can be whoever he is, but he tells the truth on the issue that Muslims do not worship any idol but Muslims worships one God and He and any Rabbi can pray in a Muslim Mosque.
Rabbi Tovia and other Rabbi said Christianity is idol worshiping because they worship man and the Bible clearly forbids worshiping of a man and so Christians are polytheist and punishable by the hell fire and He the Rabbi and any Jew is not required to enter into a Christian Church- a very SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS charge for Christianity and merits a Christian to prove why he the Christian is not worshiping a man Jesus, than relying on how another Jew insults Muslims.
Robert Wells, Sam Shamoun, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and so many people insults Islam and Muslim everyday and we know that, but the issue here is about polytheism, idol worshiping and a worship of a man and Christianity falls in all these.
The onus is on Robert Wells is to prove he is not worshiping Jesus Christ-a man because the Bible clearly said God is not a man.
You said;
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
I say;
Who created and support Zionism? Christians because at any given time Christians needs someone to persecute and to exterminate from this earth and Christians at least some of them, I must be careful here because some Christians are indeed very God. Some Christians exterminated all other religion from Europe, America and the west by persecuting and killing Muslims and Jews in Spain and the Holy Land. The Christians then start to exterminate each other i.e. the Protestants and the Catholics but they were stopped by the liberals in the west and the rule of law, constitution, freedom of religion etc. was forced on the Christians. The Christians must have some one to persecute and exterminate, so they turn to Palestinians to help the Zionists to persecute and exterminate the Palestinians with white phosphorous poison and other deadly weapons like the bulldozers to destroy Mosques, Churches, farmlands, homes, neighbourhoods, businesses etc. to pave way for theocratic Zionist Jew settlers and to render Palestinians face brutal and barbaric occupation but the Palestinians survived this for 50 years and still live in their land without extermination. The Muslims and the Jews were exterminated from Spain in a few years but the brave Palestinians could not be exterminated from their land for 50 years by the Zionist and a brutal Zionist who does not have heart on this blog, prays that, the Palestinians must be exterminated or at least all of them removed from West Bank and be sent to Gaza and pave way for only Jews West Bank which is racist, Zionism and cruelty to humans and a Prominent Zionist from the British Parliament has denounced that idea and resigned as a Zionist publicly on video and now he and many millions of Jews are actively supporting the independent Palestinians except a heartless barbaric person commenting here who does not sympathise with Palestinians but celebrate any death of Palestinian babies bombed at the UN compound by Israel.
Erick wrote…
“Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.”
My response: Well Rambam did say that Muslims are “simple minded” and “imbeciles” so no wonder its hard for you to follow. But I will try to dumb it down for you.
You wrote…
The point you can not refute is Rambam/ Maimonides has generally positive view of Islam.
My Response: Only a “simple minded…” imbecile” would have that opinion. But as Rambam also pointed out, Muslims do have some “Bizare Opinions” with their ” mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements”. Yah he heaps on the praise.
Erik wrote…
“He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,”
My response: That is a very serious charge against you Tahweedy Muslims. Since the Rambam railed against Tahweed and Sunni Muslims saying that you are worse than Christians for you have turned ONE god into 99 GODS.
Erik Wrote…
“Not only Rambam rules explicitly that christians are idolaters and Avodah Zarah (foreign worship – this is the greatest sin in Judaism punishable by death ).”
My Response: Ok so an apostate un believing jew, who prays that Jesus “bones be ground to dust” who will not pronounce the name of Jesus, instead calling him Yesu which means “may his name be blotted out” considers Christianity to be idolatrous. Not only that but just as Jews did to Christ and Christians he wants them put to death. So how does this help you?
Really man its no secret, that un believing apostate Jews who belong to the “synagogue of Satan” persecuted and killed Christians. So you go ahead an bow your head with them in prayer in your masjid. I’m sure it pleases allah.
Erik Wrote…
“he even prohibits any commerce with them on their weekly feast-day, i.e. Sunday. See (Avodah Zarah 9:4). This is a very strong condemnation and he says nothing of this kind against Islam. ”
My Response: You must not know, but the Lords day i.e. Sunday was traditionally a day when Christians did not DO COMMERCE. In fact in a lot of denominations that is still the case and in a lot of small towns everything is closed on Sunday. So forbidding Jews from doing business with Christians on a day that Christians do not do business with anyone is not even a shallow victory lol.
But hey you Muslims go ahead an do business and pray with those that curse the “Islamic Prophet Jesus”. As for me I’m glad that those that pray in the “synagogue of Satan” do not do business with Christians on the day we worship the True living God.
Erik wrote…
“Thats why from the halachah in Hilchot Ma’achalot Assurot, many jewis rabbi understands Islam as being on the same level as the religious practice of the ger toshav, the non-Jew accepting the seven Noahide commandments. Islam is not idolatry, and as thus the prohibitions being instituted for idolaters don’t apply for Muslims.
My response: I do agree that Islam is on the same level as those that worship in the synagogue of Satan, and that devil worshipers can worship together. So congratulation you have proven to me that Islam and Judiasim are from the devil.
God haters who hate each other will stand together against God because they hate God more than they hate each other.
You said;
Erik wrote…
“He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,”
My response: That is a very serious charge against you Tahweedy Muslims. Since the Rambam railed against Tahweed and Sunni Muslims saying that you are worse than Christians for you have turned ONE god into 99 GODS.
I say;
Each name of God is not a person/being/man but just a name or attribute or characteristic and name, attribute or characteristic of God is not God Himself. Unlike Christianity who took the word of God as God Himself, Muslims do not take the word of God as a person/being/man and so do not worship the Quran as Dr. Tony Costa use to analyze but he Dr. Tony worship Jesus a man and is against the Bible and it is idol worship and polytheism.
So 99 names of God are not 99 persons/beings for any rational human being to understand and something that is not a being i.e. God’s word, mercy, love, etc. cannot be God Himself, so the 99 names of Allah each is not God Himself and therefore stupid for anyone to think the 99 names of God which each cannot be a person, man or being by itself is God for God is a being i.e. Divine being but love, mercy, grace by themselves are not being and cannot be God because they are not being or person.
The Christians turn the attributes to being i.e. man Jesus and worshiping him and it is polytheism. Muslims do not worship the Quran because the Quran is not a person or a being or man or God but the Quran is Quran or Word of God or the Speech of God but not God Himself and God Himself needs worship according to the Bible.
You said;
Erick wrote…
“Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.”
My response: Well Rambam did say that Muslims are “simple minded” and “imbeciles” so no wonder its hard for you to follow. But I will try to dumb it down for you
I say;
Repeating somebody’s insults to Muslims and Islam will not help you because that is not the topic here and it does not address why you are worshiping a man Jesus and worshiping a man is an abomination and a serious crime punishable by hell according to the Bible.
You said;
My Response: Ok so an apostate un believing jew, who prays that Jesus “bones be ground to dust” who will not pronounce the name of Jesus, instead calling him Yesu which means “may his name be blotted out” considers Christianity to be idolatrous. Not only that but just as Jews did to Christ and Christians he wants them put to death. So how does this help you?
Really man its no secret, that un believing apostate Jews who belong to the “synagogue of Satan” persecuted and killed Christians. So you go ahead an bow your head with them in prayer in your masjid. I’m sure it pleases allah.
I say;
But you Christians contribute a lot of your Church contribution to the above to go and destroy the Palestinians. And a single Christian of this blog support the Christians donating to the above to exterminate other human beings with poison I.e. white phosphorous.
You said;
My response: I do agree that Islam is on the same level as those that worship in the synagogue of Satan, and that devil worshipers can worship together. So congratulation you have proven to me that Islam and Judiasim are from the devil.
God haters who hate each other will stand together against God because they hate God more than they hate each other.
I say;
You did not prove they worship man like you worship man Jesus which is against the Bible. Islam and Judaism does not worship man and that is what you have to prove but you failed to prove that. But we can prove that you worship man Jesus and is punishable by the hell fire.
Muslims do hate Jews and they lived together for a long time and continue to live together despite your propaganda bullshit and any Jew including Rabbi Tovia will acknowledge the deep love Muslims and Jews lived but for Christians to march with songs like onward Christian soldiers to persecute and kill the Muslims and the Jews and when the Muslims were running and leaving from the Christians the Jews left with them(Muslims) to the Muslims lands and they continue to be there today and Morocco, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, Turkey, etc. took a lot of Jews from the master exterminators i.e. Christians like Robert Wells-His comments here clearly proves that if he has power, he would have persecuted and exterminated the Muslims and Jews like his Christian ancestors did for the Jews and Muslims.
I admit not all Christians are like Robert Wells and Some are good and God fearing and the Quran acknowledges that. So If I say Christians, I mean the evangelical Christians like Robert who are contributing to the Zionists money to buy poison like white phosphorous to kill Palestinians and establish racist Jews only theocratic state. Most Jews are not Zionists and some of them are Palestinian Jews who also want their land not to be occupied by the Zionist Jews supported by Zionist Christians and prominent Zionist resigned to support the Palestinians.
Repeating somebody’s insults to Muslims and Islam will not help you because that is not the topic here and it does not address why you are worshiping a man Jesus and worshiping a man is an abomination and a serious crime punishable by hell according to the Bible.
My Response: Speak to Erik about that, as he seems to think those words are “generally positive” lol. And we do not worship a Man and you have been told that countless times so I stopped reading after that.
Paul we do not divide we do not worship a man, or worship the divine or just the divine, we worship Jesus who is God and Man do not divide. So if Intellect would have said “you worship the God Man I would agree with him. But Muslims have a hard time of accuertly respresenting what Christians believe.
Your confused… hmmm guess The Rambam was right lol.
You ask ne the one hand you indignantly protest that “we do not worship a Man”
then you say on the other hand “we worship Jesus who is God and Man”
and then you ask…
so which is it?
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
so then you DO commit idolatry. You believe Jesus was 100% man and you worship him. Even if in your worship you join his 100% humanity to 100% deity you still commit egregious sin.
You mix the Creator with His creation and worship the whole thing. Jews and Muslims worship God alone.
1) Fact: according to Christian theology Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Christians tell me this all the time.
2) Fact: you worship Jesus
3) Conclusion: you worship a person who is both man and God. To the extent that your worship includes worshipping Jesus as a man you commit egregious sin.
Wile Rambam quite clearly considered Islam not AvodahZarah and going so far as to condone praying within a mosque, and many Orthodox Jewish Rabbis take the same position on the subject,.
In his Letter to Obadiah the Proselyte, Rambam said:
“These Ishmaelites are not idol worshippers in the least, and [paganism] has been long since cut off from their mouths and their hearts, and they worship the singular God properly and without any blemish.”
It is impossible that Rambam believe Islam worship 99 gods then at the same time he considered not polytheistic ??
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!
With regards other Rambam writings, I have the impression that you are unable differentiate Rambam view on Islam as a religion and his view on the actions of the muslims who claim to follow the religion of Islam. These two different issue.
Irrefutable fact remain that according to Rambam and many Orthodox Jewish Rabbis: Christianity are idolaters and thus violate the Noahide laws against idolatry and the commandment to worship the one God.
You said;
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
I say:
Then Christianity is not a true religion according to you and all Trinitarians Christianity is false, false, false, false, false and Christianity is not true.
Why?
Because according the Christians they do not separate the two i.e. God and Man of Jesus, but when pressed further and cornered as to Why should they kill God and say God died but the Bible clearly said God is immortal and the same and God does not die then, Christians will now
SEPARATE, SEPARATE, SEPARATE the God and Man parts of Jesus and say well the Man part of Jesus died but the divine part did not die. Christians will tell you he does not separate the two parts of Jesus but when faced with defeat a Christian will SEPARATE, SEPARATE, SEPARATE THE two parts of Jesus i.e. God and Man.
This is intimidating, bullying, changing of words, changing of stance, changing of believe etc. by Christians.
They will tell you 3 is 1, finite is infinite, eternal is ending, death is alive or life, God does not change but God changed by coming into the womb of Mary and adding a man part, etc.
Robert Wells, God Man is not God Sir. So your worshiping of God Man is still blaspheme and punishable by hell fire. It is like mixing sugar and water, then you dilute the sugar and the sugar is not as strong or sweet as it is. So mixing God and man is blaspheme and diluting God. God is God and Man is Man. You cannot mix them. Can you be mixed with cow? so that you become cow man? or man cow? No, because you were born a man and can never ever be a cow or man cow. Similarly God is God and only one and alone eternal being said the Bible not me. So, He(God) cannot be God Man that is why there is no where in the Bible that God said He is God Man but it is clearly in the Bible that God is not a Man and God does not change.
Mr. Wells you ignored the Bible and worship God Man who changed by entering into the womb of Mary and adding a Man part to Himself and became God Man. You changed the God who does not change and worshiping him and you are still and idol worshiper and the punishment is hell fire according to the Bible.
You said;
No we don’t mix the Creator with his creation lol The Rambam was spot on describing Muslims in 12th century, as true then as it is now.
I say;
You see, God Man is impossible according to the Bible because the Bible clearly states that God is One, only and alone and God is not a man and there is no where did the Bible said God is God Man.
Man is obviously created and God is not created, so you cannot mix the two, but Christians mix the two by saying God man. When you go to pizza pizza and ordered cheese pizza, was not cheese mix with pizza? how about butter bread? was the bread not mixed with bread? You cannot say God Man and say you are not mixing them. By saying God Man you indeed mix God and Man. You said you do not separate them and so since it is God and Man which are 100% each, it is obvious you have mixed God and Man and that is a very big sin because the Bible said God is the same and does not change and there is no where in the Bible does God referred to Himself as God Man.
You and the Rambam and all Christians who believe God is God Man are confused but not us. It is like me drinking hot or cold milk chocolate and say the milk chocolate that I am drinking is not mixed. People will laugh at me and say I am insane. That is what exactly the God Man means and it is insane and the you and the Rambam are insane if that is what he said with regards to God Man. I do not think the Rambam support the God Man. You are just bringing him into the argument.
Provide us with evidence where the Rambam said God Man is not confusing? You cannot because you lied to the Rambam concerning your God Man which the Rambam did not endorse.
Bob, I bet you and all Christians who believe in God Man are confuse but not us.
Why?
You said “God Man”, “We do not separate them”, “We don’t mix them”. You do not separate two things and you do not mix the same two things? It is just like me saying “I am walking to work”, “I am not walking to work” at the same time and how absurd it was. The Rambam obviously will not support you on the God Man concept and ridicule his One, only and alone God. You did lie to say the Rambam supported you on the God Man and say we are confused about that. No where did he say that.
God Man is not possible and it is an impossibility but if you insist for the possibility of God Man, then you are not alone and all the possibility will not be ignored and Jesus will have his type of being i.e. God Men like Emperor Haile Selaissie of Ethiopia who is also a God Man, Sai Baba of India who is also a God Man and we have so many God Men in this world, so Jesus has his possible creatures in the form of God Men. all of you will be punished in hell fire according to the Bible if you do not repent.
You said;
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
I say;
With all due respect the above is nonsense and rubbish and must be thrown in away and any rational human being must not say this to his fellow human being because he indeed insults the intelligence of all human beings.
Why?
You cannot be asked by a doctor not to drink milk at all because it very bad to your health then you go and by cold or hot milk chocolate and be drinking it and tell the Doctor that, well you do not drink milk, and you do not drink chocolate as well, but you are drinking hot chocolate or refrigerated hot chocolate, and you are ok. with that.
The Doctor will tell you that, you are a fool because the drink contains called hot milk chocolate contains 100% milk and 100% chocolate, so you are indeed consuming milk and you are not doing yourself a favor and your health will deteriorate and that is what Christians are doing by saying they do not worship man in their God Man concept and they are deceiving themselves and ignored the Bible saying “God is not a man” and “God does not change” or “God is the same” and the hell fire is waiting for them according to the Bible, common sense, truth, all Rabbi’s, all Unitarian Christians, all monotheists and of cause the Quran.
You do not listen to what the Bible said by worshiping God Man like how the confused patient will be drinking milk chocolate and say he does not drink milk but drinks milk chocolate. Robert Wells, you need to think and convert from Christianity to any religion that is monotheistic to avoid hell fire than be stubborn and insulting Muslims and Islam.
It is like a diabetes patient drinking no diet coca cola everyday and say to the Doctor I am drinking coca and sugar but I am not drinking sugar. How wise and stupid could this patient do to himself by deteriorating his health by not listening to his Doctor but want to outsmart his doctor but ended up destroying himself.
Now I am genuinely confused with what Wells really believe.. Should he rather say “We worship the God Man and the God father and the God holy ghost” ??
Thanks for those interesting vids. It’s great to see Muslims and Jews unite in intellectual Jihad against shirk beliefs such as the trinity.
Keep up the good work brother. Your comments on here are a really good feature to Paul’s blog. Rest assured they have an impact on people.
I’m in regular email contact with Robert, I’ve seen a normal side to him so clearly underneath that front of Islamophobia there is a human being. Personally I think he knows the trinity is false, he prefers to talk more about politics. Perhaps he’s an American patriot more than somebody interested in Trinitarianism.
“Wile Rambam quite clearly considered Islam not Avodah Zarah”
My response: Are you a Mutiziliate or a Tahweedy Sunni Muslim? Do you believe that Allah has 99 attributes? If so then The Rambam is not talking about your flavor of Islam, he is refering to the Mutizilites not Tahaweedy Muslims like yourself. So you can appeal to the Rambam all you want who said of you…. well read up for all the nice things he had to say about Muslims and Islam.
Oh yes brother, it has been a faith strengthening while at the same time amusing experience interacting with christians like Wells …I pray that God AlMighty give him hidaayah someday InsyaAllah
Erik Asked
” want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!”
And now Erik receives…
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one”
Erik do you believe that allah is ONE and that he has many attributes? If so then according to The Rambam you are like the Christians, that is unless you are a Mutazilite who believes that God has NO attributes?
Wells, I insist that you respond to my request to you below:
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!
And now Erik receives
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one. “
Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed – Translated From the Original Arabic Text by M. FRIEDLÄNDER, PHḌ, 2ndedition [London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd., 1904], Ch. L, pp. 67-68.)
Erick do you believe that allah is One and he has many attributes? Or are you a Mutazilite?
Erik Ask’s
“Wells, I insist that you respond to my request to you below:
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!”
And now Erik receives
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one. “
Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed – Translated From the Original Arabic Text by M. FRIEDLÄNDER, PHḌ, 2ndedition [London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd., 1904], Ch. L, pp. 67-68.)
Erick do you believe that allah is One and he has many attributes? Or are you a Mutazilite?
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one. “
Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed – Translated From the Original Arabic Text by M. FRIEDLÄNDER, PHḌ, 2ndedition [London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd., 1904], Ch. L, pp. 67-68.)
I will rather see the original arabic to understand it myself btw nowhere it says Islam teaches 99 gods like you claim before, O dear.
Who are “those” in your quote? Only triniarians use plurality in their theological vocabulary
You said;
lol I knew u would answer that way. Muslim’s are so predictable. So who teaches god has 99 attributes?
I say;
And Paul Williams the real Englishman corrected you. He corrected you again when you wrote hypocracy as hypocrisy. So, it means you are not English or a Westerner to ask migrants not to migrate to west and they speak and write English more than you. May be you are a Chinese or Korean immigrant to the west yourself who learnt English a couple of months ago.
I do a lot of mistakes but will be forgiven because I am not English. You are not English either to ask immigrants not t migrate to west and to call Palestinians Pali and to disrespect Allah by disrespecting the name without capitalizing it. Now a I know, it is lack of your English language.
Blogging Theology 
LOL So Muslims appeal to a Rabid ZIONIST JEW, who believes that Yeshua is the son of a whore, who is boiling in semen. Who in Jewish circles will not even pronounce Jesus name instead saying “that J person” or miss pronouncing it so his name means “May his name be blotted out”
Yup Muslims are consistent as ever.
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Oh dear Bobby – have you forgotten to take your medication again?
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Robert Wells
You said;
LOL So Muslims appeal to a Rabid ZIONIST JEW, who believes that Yeshua is the son of a whore, who is boiling in semen. Who in Jewish circles will not even pronounce Jesus name instead saying “that J person” or miss pronouncing it so his name means “May his name be blotted out”
Yup Muslims are consistent as ever.
I say;
With all the insults of Jesus Christ by Jews, Christians now worship Jews and are contributing a lot of money for them(Jews). Some Christians on this blog went further to believe what Jews say by adding them to his Christian faith and combined them as Judeo-Christian. That is Ken Temple, who does not believe his Christian value alone saved the West but he includes the Jewish(who believes Yeshua is the son of a whore) as part of what saved him. Why did you not question Ken Temple for believing and appealing to Jews who insults his God? YOU ARE INCONSITENT TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE. You just want to attack Islam and Muslims when you get the chance.
It is amazing for a Zionist Jew to tell the truth, even though Christians are helping him to annihilate the Palestinians but he can’t resist telling the truth and saying what is true in that Muslims worship one God like his(the Rabbi) God but Christians are idol worshipers. The Rabbi and Jews will pray in a Muslim Mosque but will not even enter into a Christians Church because they are worshiping idolatry.
Some Jewish Zionist try to hide the truth by not saying what this brave Rabbi said into to continue to get their money from Christians but this Rabbi and others will not care about the donations he is getting from Christians but will tell the truth.
Not all Jews are Zionist and some prominent Jews in British Parliament have resigned as Zionist because of the evil involved in Zionism and now he and millions of Jews are openly supporting the Palestinians from the white phosphorous poison and other deadly weapons used on them by the donation of the Christians Zionists who worship the state of Israel according to the Bible. These type of Christians like some Christian commenters here on this blog will always find fault for the Palestinians but worship the Zionist and support any killings the Zionist do and that is BARBARIC AND LACK OF HEART IN THEIR CHEST.
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Jewish Rabbi Crushes Yahya Snow and all other Muslims who appeal to Jewish Rabbi’s to attack Christ.
The great Jewish Rabbi Maimonides writing to Jews in Yemen about 1172 had these wonderful things to say about Mohamed, Islam and Muslims.
After attacking Jesus (saying repeatedly “May His bones be turned to dust”), as un believing apostate Jews usually do, he has this to say about Mohamed.
“After him arose the Madman who emulated his precursor since he paved the way for him. But he added the further objective of procuring rule and submission, and he invented his well known religion. All of these men purposed to place their teachings on the same level with our divine religion.” (Letter to the Yemen Section IV)
After calling Mohamed a “MADMAN” he then calls Muslims Simpletons.”But only a simpleton who lacks knowledge of both would liken divine institutions to human practices. ” (Letter to the Yemen Section IV)
It seems that Muslims where using the same arguments for Mohamed in the bible back in the 12th century that they use today….
“n your letter you mention that the apostle has spurred on a number of people to believe that several verses in Scripture allude to the Madman, such as “bimeod meod”5 (Genesis 17:20), “he shined forth from Mount Paran”6 (Deuteronomy 33:1), “a prophet from the midst of thee” (Deuteronomy 18:15), and the promise to Ishmael “I will make him a great nation” (Genesis 17:20). ” (Letter to the Yemen Section VIII)
Maimonides crushes Muslims who use this argument calling them “nauseating…feeble…ridiculous and absurd in the extreme.”
“These arguments have been rehearsed so often that they have become nauseating. It is not enough to declare that they are altogether feeble; nay, to cite as proofs these verses is ridiculous and absurd in the extreme.” (Letter to the Yemen Section VIII)
He calls Muslims “duped… and… deluded by such specious proof,”
“You write in your letter, that some people were duped by the argument that Mohammed is alluded to in the verse “A prophet will the Lord thy God raise up unto thee, from the midst of thee, of thy brethren” (Deuteronomy 18:15), while others remained unconvinced because of the phrase “from the midst of thee.” It is most astonishing that some folks should be deluded by such specious proof, (Letter to the Yemen Section IX)
He goes on Crush Muslims even more in section XVIII saying that Islam is a punishment for the sins of the Jews… saying that the Arabs persecute Jews severely… “Remember, my co-religionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins, God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us,”
He continues on saying that Arabs have persecuted, molested, degraded, debased and hated the Jews even more than the Christians. He even points out that King David prayed on behalf of future generations who fell into the hands of the Ishmaelites… “Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they. Therefore when David, of blessed memory, inspired by the holy spirit, envisaged the future tribulations of Israel, he bewailed and lamented their lot only in the Kingdom of Ishmael, and prayed in their behalf, for their deliverance…”(Letter to the Yemens XVIIII)
He continues to call Mohamed a Madman and imbecile. “Note the distinction between Kedar and the children of Ishmael, for the Madman and imbecile is of the lineage of the children of Kedar as they readily admit.” (Letter to the Yemen Section XVIII)
I could quote a lot more but I think that is enough for now. Enjoy
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Bob,
Muslims do not appeal to Jews or Christians, on the contrary you as a Christian would be lost without Muslims and in order to prove my point, I would challenge you and all of your Christendom to prove the following 2 points from reliable, external (non-Christian) sources:
1- Prove that Yeshua was the Jewish messiah.
2- Prove that Yeshua was born of a virgin
If you cannot produce reliable non-Christian evidence to the above, then you must admit that you believe what the Jews, even inside your own New Testament, called Jesus, at best “son of Joseph” and at worse, I do not want to utter it because my Islamic faith has respect for the messengers of God, regardless of what your Christian opinion tells you about Islam.
If you cannot meet the above challenge, then please accept what you Jewish masters have to say about him according to the texts on the following Christian site:
http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter5.htm
But let’s not be carried away and accuse the Jews of anything with regards to who Jesus is, your own New Testament says enough all by itself in: Luke 4:22 “All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.”
NONE OF THE ABOVE IS A MUSLIM/ISLAMIC VIEW, ALL ARE VIEWS OF THEIR AUTHORS, NAMELY THE NT AND THE TALMUD.
Rise up to the challenge or keep your peace.
As for Maimonides, may I suggest that you Christians stop forging and falsifying history, it is bad enough that you falsified the word of God, the works of Josephus, you have been caught red-handed falsifying even the works of Maimonides. Maimonides lived and died under Muslim rule, so imagine him writing such words about Islam, Mohammad or the Quran, and living after it. You Christians are pathetic, you have forsaken the great gift of God, brains, for the lies your churches have brainwashed you with.
Answer the challenge, if you can, or be quiet and do not brag. Islam came to correct both Judaism (on their rejection of Yeshua the Jewish messiah) and to correct Christianity (on their trinity, deity of Yeshua and vicarious sacrifice falsehoods). It’s no surprise that Christianity has been so eager to eradicate Islam ever since its advent because it opposes its pagan man-made doctrines.
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Paul said…
“Oh dear Bobby – have you forgotten to take your medication again?”
My response: So you can’t refute what I wrote so instead you make false attacks against me. Yup consistent as ever. BTW I’m not on meds, I’m not a Muslim I don’t follow a “Madman and Imbecile” like “simpleton” Muslims do, according to one of Judiasm’s greatest sages and Rabbi’s the Great Rambam, Maimonides.
But here is something even funnier according to the Rambam…
““…it is permitted to teach the commandments and the explanations according to [rabbinic] law
to the Christians, but it is prohibited to do likewise for the Muslims. You know, in effect, that
according to their belief this Torah is not from heaven and if you teach them something, they will
find it contrary to their tradition, because their practices are confused and their opinions bizarre
mippnei she-ba’uu la-hem debariim be-ma`asiim [because a mish-mash of various practices
and strange, inapplicable statements were received by them.] What [one teaches them] will
not convince them of the falseness of their opinions, but they will interpret it according to their
erroneous principles and they will oppress us. [F]or this reason…they hate all [non-Muslims]
who live among them. It would then just be a stumbling block for the Israelites who, because of
their sins, are in captivity among them. On the contrary, the uncircumcised [Christians] admit
that the text of the Torah, such as we have it, is intact. They interpret it only in an erroneous way
and use it for purposes of the allegorical exegesis that is proper to them Ve-yirmezuu bah ha-
remaziim hay-yedu`iim la-hem [They would exchange secret signs known only to them.] If one
informs them about the correct interpretation, there is hope that they will return from their error,
and even if they do not, there is not stumbling block for Israel, for they do not find in their
religious law any contradiction with ours.”
LOL oh SNAP
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Robert Wells
With all due respect, it seems you are confused.
Why?
The question is by the caller and that is “does the Rabbi view Muslims and Christians as polytheists and idol worshipers?”. The Rabbi said, Muslims are monotheists and he the Rabbi and Jews will pray in a Muslim Mosque but Christians are idol worshipers and polytheists because they worship man and he will not even enter into a Church except for a purpose.
You have just quoted a Jew who hate Muslims like your self and both he and yourself never addressed why Muslims are polytheists.
It is on record and history that Muslims saved the Jews from the barbaric Christian persecution and all Jews whether they are Zionist or not acknowledge the help of the Muslims and no distortions by your source Robert can erase that.
The Christians, if they have any opportunity will exterminate and annihilate others including themselves like how Protestants and Catholics were at the verge of eliminating each other after they exterminated the Jews and the Muslims from Spain and Europe and luckily the liberals stopped the Christians from their extermination and annihilation process and brought rule of law, constitution and freedom of religion to disallow the annihilation and extermination instincts of Christians. Now, except few good God fearing evangelical Christians, most evangelical Christians are Zionists and have taken their extermination and annihilation instincts to the poor Palestinians by donating money to Zionists to use poison to annihilate the Palestinians and some heartless Christians on this blog supports that. It is a shame.
Some Christians are indeed Good and God fearing and it was written in the Quran. Most Jews are good except a few Zionist who are bent of exterminating the indigenous Palestinians by building settlements on the Palestinians lands and armed to the teeth and will shoot any Palestinian within few meters to the settlement and some heartless commenters here supports this racist and barbaric act.
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Robert Wells
You miss the point. Nobody is claiming we must accept what every Jew in history said based on our use of Tovia Singer. That would be silly.
However, the Jews believe in the same book as you (you call it an Old Testament), Singer is basing his objections to the Trinity and the alleged divinity of Jesus p on the very texts Trinitarians believe to be the 100% inspired words of God.
You’ve got an issue, don’t you not think?
Rather than thinking about it, you spam a load of negative comments attributed to Jews towards Muslims. On top of this you claim this Jews (and others) believe/say horrible things about Jesus (I won;t quote what you have pasted out of respect for somebody who I love, Jesus p) yet you America Christians are bank rolling Jews everyday through your taxes. Many of you guys go around saying ‘I love Israel’.
And let’s not forget, you believe Jesus p was a Jew and he was God. Thus, you believe the Jews, including Singer, are relatives of God.
I think you need to start thinking about these points.
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Due to his cut and paste “research”, Robert Wells forgets that it was Maimonides who said that Jews could pray in a mosque but not in a church, as Rabbi Singer mentioned! Maimonides, despite all his vitriol against Islam and the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), nevertheless recognized that Muslims shunned idol worship and were true monotheists, whereas Christians were guilty of idolatry due to their worship of Jesus (peace be upon him). It was for this reason that he forbade Jews from ever praying in a church, but allowed them to pray in a mosque if the need ever arose.
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Brother Snow
You said;
You miss the point. Nobody is claiming we must accept what every Jew in history said based on our use of Tovia Singer. That would be silly.
I say;
Not only Rabbi Tovia, you could use any Jew and that Jew will tell you that Muslims are monotheists and they believe in Muslim God, but Christian God is a man and that Christian God is not their(Jews) God and that Christians are idol worshipers and polytheists.
Some examples
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Three
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euEV4m1qaSU
Four
And all the Jews believe Muslims are monotheists but the most of the Jews and Christians did covert during our prophets time but some will remain their religion, no matter how they have seen the truth.
I want an evidence of only one practicing Jew who will say Jesus is his God or he the Jew worships 3 persons. Just only one practicing Jew. Yet all Jews are on our(Muslims) side that we do worship only one, true and alone God of Abraham.
Yahya, I am your fan and I pray Allah to strengthen you to continue your work on exposing the lies of the Islamohobes like Robert Wells as he himself admits he is an Islamophobe and it needs a true researcher like you and other dedicated Muslims like Paul Williams, Eric, Ijaz, Dr. Shabbir etc. to reduce their impact.
God bless and keep it up.
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With the name of Allah
I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.
I am interested if Wells can you provide the original arabic this letter to the Yemen from Maimonides / Rambam
A good friend of mine who is a rabbi (whom I learnt biblical hebrew from) have studied many of Rambam works said that in general Rambam view is positive toward Islam as a genuine continuation of monotheistic teaching from Abraham. Islam is not Avodah Zarah
The Epistle Concerning Yemen was composed as the result of specific occasion in Jewish community in Yemen in response to a Yemenite sage, Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi . It was during a period of violent confrontation in the hand of a Jewish apostate who embraced Islam. To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he even began persecuting his Jewish communities. Also at just about this time, an jewish rabbi appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
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Intellect wrote…
With all due respect, it seems you are confused.
and Yahya SNow wrote…
You miss the point.
My Response to the both of you: NO I’m not a Muslim so I’m not confused and since both of you
really miss the point I will POINT it out to you.
Point number 1:
You appeal to a Lying Zionist JEW to validate your false belief. So you turn to someone who
under any other circumstances you would say is a liar to justify your claim.
Point number 2. This lying Zionist Jew, believes that Jesus (whose peace and blessings in on
Christians) is a bastard child, who is in hell, boiling in semen and excrement.
Point number 3. Not only do you want such a man to pray in your Masjid but you are proud that
un believing blaspheming apostate Jews can do such. I for one do not want and I rejoice
that such people can not an do not pray in Christian churches. I SAY AMEN TO THAT.
Pint number 4. This lying Zionist Jew is Lying to you. Since no where in the Talmud, there is no
Mishna that declares Christians to be Idolatrous. Actually just the opposite as I have already pointed
out. BTW my Rabbi trumps your Rabbi lol. As the Rambam has stated, Jews can teach Torah to Christians
as we are just in error in interpreting it, where as you Muslims are complete blasphemers and teaching
the divine law to you, which you find “contrary…” to your “confused…” and “bizarre…” practices and opinions
will cause Israel much hardship.
There is more I could say on this but hey you keep appealing and praying with lying Zionist Jews who insult
your prophet Jesus(who’s peace and blessings is on Christians). I’m sure allah is really pleased with that.
Eric wrote…
“I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.”
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
Eric wrote…
A good friend of mine who is a rabbi (whom I learnt biblical hebrew from) have studied many of Rambam works said that in
general Rambam view is positive toward Islam as a genuine continuation of monotheistic teaching from Abraham.
My response: LOL yah so positive that he forbids Jews from teaching Torah to Muslims, so positive that he calls Mohamed a MADMAN, so positive that
he calls Muslims “imbeciles and simpletons” so positive that he declares your practices “confused…” and your “opinions bizare”.
So positive that he considers Islam to be a ” mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements”. So positive that he believes Muslims “hate all [non-Muslims]who live among them.”… Well if that’s the case, then I have a very positive opinion of Islam, because I believe the same things
about Islam.
Yah the Rambam is so Positive about Islam that he considers it punishment for Israel’s SINS, so positive that even though he lived during the time of all four crusades he still says that Muslims “persecuted…, molested…, degraded…, debased and hated…” the Jews even more than the Christians.
Erick I think you need a English dictionary, none of these things are even generally positive… lol
Erick Wrote…
The Epistle Concerning Yemen was composed as the result of specific occasion in Jewish community in Yemen in response to a Yemenite sage, Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi .
It was during a period of violent confrontation in the hand of a Jewish apostate who embraced Islam. To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he even began persecuting his Jewish communities.
Also at just about this time, an jewish rabbi appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
My Response: Ok and? How does that change any of the things he wrote? How does that soften his words?
One last thing Erik, you do realize that the Rambam believed in something called “Negative theology” and in such any statement you find from him in regards to Islam is not about Tahweed, its not about Sunni Muslims. Nope he is referring to the Mutazilites. As a matter of fact he said of your “confused” doctrine that you are worse then the Christians for you have turned one God into 99 gods lol.
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Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.
The point you can not refute is Rambam/ Maimonides has generally positive view of Islam.
He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,
This is very very serious charge against christianity.
Not only Rambam rules explicitly that christians are idolaters and Avodah Zarah (foreign worship – this is the greatest sin in Judaism punishable by death ), he even prohibits any commerce with them on their weekly feast-day, i.e. Sunday. See (Avodah Zarah 9:4). This is a very strong condemnation and he says nothing of this kind against Islam.
In Judaism , Jews are compelled to martyrdom rather than embrace avodah zarah. Yet the Rambam argues in his Iggeret ha-Shemad that even Jews who had been forcefully converted to Islam were not embracing avodah zarah and should not have accepted death rather than conversion. But any who had been forcefully converted to christianity must then better accept death in order to avoid the path of eternally of those eternally damnation by God.
The point remain no matter how you want to abuse Rambam writings against Islam, Maimonides view lean much more positive view of Islam compared to Christianity.
Thats why from the halachah in Hilchot Ma’achalot Assurot, many jewis rabbi understands Islam as being on the same level as the religious practice of the ger toshav, the non-Jew accepting the seven Noahide commandments. Islam is not idolatry, and as thus the prohibitions being instituted for idolaters don’t apply for Muslims.
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Robert Wells
You said;
Eric wrote…
“I know Rabbi Tovia he visited my city often and he befriended with a good friend of mine. One thing for sure he does not have the view that Wells want to portrait him.”
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
I say;
Who ever Rabbi Tovia is, Rabbi Tovia agreed with Muslims in that, Muslims worship One, Only and Alone God of Abraham as the Bible said and therefore Muslims are monotheists and Muslims are not polytheists and he like any Jew will support Muslims on this one.
Rabbi Tovia can be whoever he is, but he tells the truth on the issue that Muslims do not worship any idol but Muslims worships one God and He and any Rabbi can pray in a Muslim Mosque.
Rabbi Tovia and other Rabbi said Christianity is idol worshiping because they worship man and the Bible clearly forbids worshiping of a man and so Christians are polytheist and punishable by the hell fire and He the Rabbi and any Jew is not required to enter into a Christian Church- a very SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS charge for Christianity and merits a Christian to prove why he the Christian is not worshiping a man Jesus, than relying on how another Jew insults Muslims.
Robert Wells, Sam Shamoun, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and so many people insults Islam and Muslim everyday and we know that, but the issue here is about polytheism, idol worshiping and a worship of a man and Christianity falls in all these.
The onus is on Robert Wells is to prove he is not worshiping Jesus Christ-a man because the Bible clearly said God is not a man.
You said;
My response: Really, so Rabbi singer is not a ZIONIST? Rabbi Tovia Singer pronounces the name of Jesus to Jewish audiences?
I say;
Who created and support Zionism? Christians because at any given time Christians needs someone to persecute and to exterminate from this earth and Christians at least some of them, I must be careful here because some Christians are indeed very God. Some Christians exterminated all other religion from Europe, America and the west by persecuting and killing Muslims and Jews in Spain and the Holy Land. The Christians then start to exterminate each other i.e. the Protestants and the Catholics but they were stopped by the liberals in the west and the rule of law, constitution, freedom of religion etc. was forced on the Christians. The Christians must have some one to persecute and exterminate, so they turn to Palestinians to help the Zionists to persecute and exterminate the Palestinians with white phosphorous poison and other deadly weapons like the bulldozers to destroy Mosques, Churches, farmlands, homes, neighbourhoods, businesses etc. to pave way for theocratic Zionist Jew settlers and to render Palestinians face brutal and barbaric occupation but the Palestinians survived this for 50 years and still live in their land without extermination. The Muslims and the Jews were exterminated from Spain in a few years but the brave Palestinians could not be exterminated from their land for 50 years by the Zionist and a brutal Zionist who does not have heart on this blog, prays that, the Palestinians must be exterminated or at least all of them removed from West Bank and be sent to Gaza and pave way for only Jews West Bank which is racist, Zionism and cruelty to humans and a Prominent Zionist from the British Parliament has denounced that idea and resigned as a Zionist publicly on video and now he and many millions of Jews are actively supporting the independent Palestinians except a heartless barbaric person commenting here who does not sympathise with Palestinians but celebrate any death of Palestinian babies bombed at the UN compound by Israel.
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Erick wrote…
“Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.”
My response: Well Rambam did say that Muslims are “simple minded” and “imbeciles” so no wonder its hard for you to follow. But I will try to dumb it down for you.
You wrote…
The point you can not refute is Rambam/ Maimonides has generally positive view of Islam.
My Response: Only a “simple minded…” imbecile” would have that opinion. But as Rambam also pointed out, Muslims do have some “Bizare Opinions” with their ” mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements”. Yah he heaps on the praise.
Erik wrote…
“He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,”
My response: That is a very serious charge against you Tahweedy Muslims. Since the Rambam railed against Tahweed and Sunni Muslims saying that you are worse than Christians for you have turned ONE god into 99 GODS.
Erik Wrote…
“Not only Rambam rules explicitly that christians are idolaters and Avodah Zarah (foreign worship – this is the greatest sin in Judaism punishable by death ).”
My Response: Ok so an apostate un believing jew, who prays that Jesus “bones be ground to dust” who will not pronounce the name of Jesus, instead calling him Yesu which means “may his name be blotted out” considers Christianity to be idolatrous. Not only that but just as Jews did to Christ and Christians he wants them put to death. So how does this help you?
Really man its no secret, that un believing apostate Jews who belong to the “synagogue of Satan” persecuted and killed Christians. So you go ahead an bow your head with them in prayer in your masjid. I’m sure it pleases allah.
Erik Wrote…
“he even prohibits any commerce with them on their weekly feast-day, i.e. Sunday. See (Avodah Zarah 9:4). This is a very strong condemnation and he says nothing of this kind against Islam. ”
My Response: You must not know, but the Lords day i.e. Sunday was traditionally a day when Christians did not DO COMMERCE. In fact in a lot of denominations that is still the case and in a lot of small towns everything is closed on Sunday. So forbidding Jews from doing business with Christians on a day that Christians do not do business with anyone is not even a shallow victory lol.
But hey you Muslims go ahead an do business and pray with those that curse the “Islamic Prophet Jesus”. As for me I’m glad that those that pray in the “synagogue of Satan” do not do business with Christians on the day we worship the True living God.
Erik wrote…
“Thats why from the halachah in Hilchot Ma’achalot Assurot, many jewis rabbi understands Islam as being on the same level as the religious practice of the ger toshav, the non-Jew accepting the seven Noahide commandments. Islam is not idolatry, and as thus the prohibitions being instituted for idolaters don’t apply for Muslims.
My response: I do agree that Islam is on the same level as those that worship in the synagogue of Satan, and that devil worshipers can worship together. So congratulation you have proven to me that Islam and Judiasim are from the devil.
God haters who hate each other will stand together against God because they hate God more than they hate each other.
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Robert Wells
You said;
Erik wrote…
“He maintain that Jews and Muslims are monotheists while Christians are polytheists and idolaters,”
My response: That is a very serious charge against you Tahweedy Muslims. Since the Rambam railed against Tahweed and Sunni Muslims saying that you are worse than Christians for you have turned ONE god into 99 GODS.
I say;
Each name of God is not a person/being/man but just a name or attribute or characteristic and name, attribute or characteristic of God is not God Himself. Unlike Christianity who took the word of God as God Himself, Muslims do not take the word of God as a person/being/man and so do not worship the Quran as Dr. Tony Costa use to analyze but he Dr. Tony worship Jesus a man and is against the Bible and it is idol worship and polytheism.
So 99 names of God are not 99 persons/beings for any rational human being to understand and something that is not a being i.e. God’s word, mercy, love, etc. cannot be God Himself, so the 99 names of Allah each is not God Himself and therefore stupid for anyone to think the 99 names of God which each cannot be a person, man or being by itself is God for God is a being i.e. Divine being but love, mercy, grace by themselves are not being and cannot be God because they are not being or person.
The Christians turn the attributes to being i.e. man Jesus and worshiping him and it is polytheism. Muslims do not worship the Quran because the Quran is not a person or a being or man or God but the Quran is Quran or Word of God or the Speech of God but not God Himself and God Himself needs worship according to the Bible.
You said;
Erick wrote…
“Wells you always wrote long incoherence ramblings just like shameoun, so very hard to read and impossible to respond to.”
My response: Well Rambam did say that Muslims are “simple minded” and “imbeciles” so no wonder its hard for you to follow. But I will try to dumb it down for you
I say;
Repeating somebody’s insults to Muslims and Islam will not help you because that is not the topic here and it does not address why you are worshiping a man Jesus and worshiping a man is an abomination and a serious crime punishable by hell according to the Bible.
You said;
My Response: Ok so an apostate un believing jew, who prays that Jesus “bones be ground to dust” who will not pronounce the name of Jesus, instead calling him Yesu which means “may his name be blotted out” considers Christianity to be idolatrous. Not only that but just as Jews did to Christ and Christians he wants them put to death. So how does this help you?
Really man its no secret, that un believing apostate Jews who belong to the “synagogue of Satan” persecuted and killed Christians. So you go ahead an bow your head with them in prayer in your masjid. I’m sure it pleases allah.
I say;
But you Christians contribute a lot of your Church contribution to the above to go and destroy the Palestinians. And a single Christian of this blog support the Christians donating to the above to exterminate other human beings with poison I.e. white phosphorous.
You said;
My response: I do agree that Islam is on the same level as those that worship in the synagogue of Satan, and that devil worshipers can worship together. So congratulation you have proven to me that Islam and Judiasim are from the devil.
God haters who hate each other will stand together against God because they hate God more than they hate each other.
I say;
You did not prove they worship man like you worship man Jesus which is against the Bible. Islam and Judaism does not worship man and that is what you have to prove but you failed to prove that. But we can prove that you worship man Jesus and is punishable by the hell fire.
Muslims do hate Jews and they lived together for a long time and continue to live together despite your propaganda bullshit and any Jew including Rabbi Tovia will acknowledge the deep love Muslims and Jews lived but for Christians to march with songs like onward Christian soldiers to persecute and kill the Muslims and the Jews and when the Muslims were running and leaving from the Christians the Jews left with them(Muslims) to the Muslims lands and they continue to be there today and Morocco, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, Turkey, etc. took a lot of Jews from the master exterminators i.e. Christians like Robert Wells-His comments here clearly proves that if he has power, he would have persecuted and exterminated the Muslims and Jews like his Christian ancestors did for the Jews and Muslims.
I admit not all Christians are like Robert Wells and Some are good and God fearing and the Quran acknowledges that. So If I say Christians, I mean the evangelical Christians like Robert who are contributing to the Zionists money to buy poison like white phosphorous to kill Palestinians and establish racist Jews only theocratic state. Most Jews are not Zionists and some of them are Palestinian Jews who also want their land not to be occupied by the Zionist Jews supported by Zionist Christians and prominent Zionist resigned to support the Palestinians.
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Muslims do not have Jews and they lived together for a long time………………………..
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Intellect wrote…
Repeating somebody’s insults to Muslims and Islam will not help you because that is not the topic here and it does not address why you are worshiping a man Jesus and worshiping a man is an abomination and a serious crime punishable by hell according to the Bible.
My Response: Speak to Erik about that, as he seems to think those words are “generally positive” lol. And we do not worship a Man and you have been told that countless times so I stopped reading after that.
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“we do not worship a Man”
So when you worship Jesus I assume you focus on his deity and avoid worshipping his humanity right?
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Paul we do not divide we do not worship a man, or worship the divine or just the divine, we worship Jesus who is God and Man do not divide. So if Intellect would have said “you worship the God Man I would agree with him. But Muslims have a hard time of accuertly respresenting what Christians believe.
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Bobby I am terribly confused.
One the one hand you indignantly protest that “we do not worship a Man”
then you say on the other hand “we worship Jesus who is God and Man”
so which is it?
Surely you understand that worshiping things God has made like the human body and human beings is idolatry. We must worship God alone.
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Your confused… hmmm guess The Rambam was right lol.
You ask ne the one hand you indignantly protest that “we do not worship a Man”
then you say on the other hand “we worship Jesus who is God and Man”
and then you ask…
so which is it?
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
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so then you DO commit idolatry. You believe Jesus was 100% man and you worship him. Even if in your worship you join his 100% humanity to 100% deity you still commit egregious sin.
You mix the Creator with His creation and worship the whole thing. Jews and Muslims worship God alone.
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No we don’t mix the Creator with his creation lol The Rambam was spot on describing Muslims in 12th century, as true then as it is now.
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Let me try again:
1) Fact: according to Christian theology Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Christians tell me this all the time.
2) Fact: you worship Jesus
3) Conclusion: you worship a person who is both man and God. To the extent that your worship includes worshipping Jesus as a man you commit egregious sin.
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No Paul lets not since it is clear you are as Rambam said a simpleton and an imbecile.
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Bobbly you cannot engage the argument so you resort to abuse. My bad – I momentarily forgot you are a troll.
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Wells never ceases to amaze me.
Wile Rambam quite clearly considered Islam not Avodah Zarah and going so far as to condone praying within a mosque, and many Orthodox Jewish Rabbis take the same position on the subject,.
In his Letter to Obadiah the Proselyte, Rambam said:
It is impossible that Rambam believe Islam worship 99 gods then at the same time he considered not polytheistic ??
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!
With regards other Rambam writings, I have the impression that you are unable differentiate Rambam view on Islam as a religion and his view on the actions of the muslims who claim to follow the religion of Islam. These two different issue.
Irrefutable fact remain that according to Rambam and many Orthodox Jewish Rabbis: Christianity are idolaters and thus violate the Noahide laws against idolatry and the commandment to worship the one God.
The biggest sin in the sight of God AlMighty.
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Robert Wells
You said;
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
I say:
Then Christianity is not a true religion according to you and all Trinitarians Christianity is false, false, false, false, false and Christianity is not true.
Why?
Because according the Christians they do not separate the two i.e. God and Man of Jesus, but when pressed further and cornered as to Why should they kill God and say God died but the Bible clearly said God is immortal and the same and God does not die then, Christians will now
SEPARATE, SEPARATE, SEPARATE the God and Man parts of Jesus and say well the Man part of Jesus died but the divine part did not die. Christians will tell you he does not separate the two parts of Jesus but when faced with defeat a Christian will SEPARATE, SEPARATE, SEPARATE THE two parts of Jesus i.e. God and Man.
This is intimidating, bullying, changing of words, changing of stance, changing of believe etc. by Christians.
They will tell you 3 is 1, finite is infinite, eternal is ending, death is alive or life, God does not change but God changed by coming into the womb of Mary and adding a man part, etc.
Robert Wells, God Man is not God Sir. So your worshiping of God Man is still blaspheme and punishable by hell fire. It is like mixing sugar and water, then you dilute the sugar and the sugar is not as strong or sweet as it is. So mixing God and man is blaspheme and diluting God. God is God and Man is Man. You cannot mix them. Can you be mixed with cow? so that you become cow man? or man cow? No, because you were born a man and can never ever be a cow or man cow. Similarly God is God and only one and alone eternal being said the Bible not me. So, He(God) cannot be God Man that is why there is no where in the Bible that God said He is God Man but it is clearly in the Bible that God is not a Man and God does not change.
Mr. Wells you ignored the Bible and worship God Man who changed by entering into the womb of Mary and adding a Man part to Himself and became God Man. You changed the God who does not change and worshiping him and you are still and idol worshiper and the punishment is hell fire according to the Bible.
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Robert Wells
You said;
No we don’t mix the Creator with his creation lol The Rambam was spot on describing Muslims in 12th century, as true then as it is now.
I say;
You see, God Man is impossible according to the Bible because the Bible clearly states that God is One, only and alone and God is not a man and there is no where did the Bible said God is God Man.
Man is obviously created and God is not created, so you cannot mix the two, but Christians mix the two by saying God man. When you go to pizza pizza and ordered cheese pizza, was not cheese mix with pizza? how about butter bread? was the bread not mixed with bread? You cannot say God Man and say you are not mixing them. By saying God Man you indeed mix God and Man. You said you do not separate them and so since it is God and Man which are 100% each, it is obvious you have mixed God and Man and that is a very big sin because the Bible said God is the same and does not change and there is no where in the Bible does God referred to Himself as God Man.
You and the Rambam and all Christians who believe God is God Man are confused but not us. It is like me drinking hot or cold milk chocolate and say the milk chocolate that I am drinking is not mixed. People will laugh at me and say I am insane. That is what exactly the God Man means and it is insane and the you and the Rambam are insane if that is what he said with regards to God Man. I do not think the Rambam support the God Man. You are just bringing him into the argument.
Provide us with evidence where the Rambam said God Man is not confusing? You cannot because you lied to the Rambam concerning your God Man which the Rambam did not endorse.
Bob, I bet you and all Christians who believe in God Man are confuse but not us.
Why?
You said “God Man”, “We do not separate them”, “We don’t mix them”. You do not separate two things and you do not mix the same two things? It is just like me saying “I am walking to work”, “I am not walking to work” at the same time and how absurd it was. The Rambam obviously will not support you on the God Man concept and ridicule his One, only and alone God. You did lie to say the Rambam supported you on the God Man and say we are confused about that. No where did he say that.
God Man is not possible and it is an impossibility but if you insist for the possibility of God Man, then you are not alone and all the possibility will not be ignored and Jesus will have his type of being i.e. God Men like Emperor Haile Selaissie of Ethiopia who is also a God Man, Sai Baba of India who is also a God Man and we have so many God Men in this world, so Jesus has his possible creatures in the form of God Men. all of you will be punished in hell fire according to the Bible if you do not repent.
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Wells “We worship the God Man …”
You worship Jesus, who is one person with two natures. You worship the human nature alongside the divine nature.
And you also worship two distinct other persons, the Father and the HS. The divine nature explicitly without a human nature.
But you insist the divine nature (A) with a human nature is identical to divine nature (B) without human nature.
You worship an impossible absurdity.
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Robert Wells
You said;
My response you answered your own question. We worship the God Man, not the Man God, not a Man and not the divine of Jesus but we worship the GOD MAN since we do not separate the two natures as you keep doing and insisting that we do likewise.
I say;
With all due respect the above is nonsense and rubbish and must be thrown in away and any rational human being must not say this to his fellow human being because he indeed insults the intelligence of all human beings.
Why?
You cannot be asked by a doctor not to drink milk at all because it very bad to your health then you go and by cold or hot milk chocolate and be drinking it and tell the Doctor that, well you do not drink milk, and you do not drink chocolate as well, but you are drinking hot chocolate or refrigerated hot chocolate, and you are ok. with that.
The Doctor will tell you that, you are a fool because the drink contains called hot milk chocolate contains 100% milk and 100% chocolate, so you are indeed consuming milk and you are not doing yourself a favor and your health will deteriorate and that is what Christians are doing by saying they do not worship man in their God Man concept and they are deceiving themselves and ignored the Bible saying “God is not a man” and “God does not change” or “God is the same” and the hell fire is waiting for them according to the Bible, common sense, truth, all Rabbi’s, all Unitarian Christians, all monotheists and of cause the Quran.
You do not listen to what the Bible said by worshiping God Man like how the confused patient will be drinking milk chocolate and say he does not drink milk but drinks milk chocolate. Robert Wells, you need to think and convert from Christianity to any religion that is monotheistic to avoid hell fire than be stubborn and insulting Muslims and Islam.
It is like a diabetes patient drinking no diet coca cola everyday and say to the Doctor I am drinking coca and sugar but I am not drinking sugar. How wise and stupid could this patient do to himself by deteriorating his health by not listening to his Doctor but want to outsmart his doctor but ended up destroying himself.
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Wells
Now I am genuinely confused with what Wells really believe.. Should he rather say “We worship the God Man and the God father and the God holy ghost” ??
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@Intellect
Thanks for those interesting vids. It’s great to see Muslims and Jews unite in intellectual Jihad against shirk beliefs such as the trinity.
Keep up the good work brother. Your comments on here are a really good feature to Paul’s blog. Rest assured they have an impact on people.
I’m in regular email contact with Robert, I’ve seen a normal side to him so clearly underneath that front of Islamophobia there is a human being. Personally I think he knows the trinity is false, he prefers to talk more about politics. Perhaps he’s an American patriot more than somebody interested in Trinitarianism.
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Thanks Yahya, Eric and all who contribute and may Allah guide us all including our Christian brothers-Ameen,
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Erik Wrote…
“Wile Rambam quite clearly considered Islam not Avodah Zarah”
My response: Are you a Mutiziliate or a Tahweedy Sunni Muslim? Do you believe that Allah has 99 attributes? If so then The Rambam is not talking about your flavor of Islam, he is refering to the Mutizilites not Tahaweedy Muslims like yourself. So you can appeal to the Rambam all you want who said of you…. well read up for all the nice things he had to say about Muslims and Islam.
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Wells, I insist that you respond to my request to you below:
Otherwise you resort to lies
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What is this Mutiziliate or a Tahweedy Sunni Muslim??.. I have never heard this terms all my life 🙂
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Eric, Wells is a troll. Do not take anything he says seriously. He is tolerated on my blog for amusement purposes only.
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Lol. He’s smoking too much weedy probably
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Oh yes brother, it has been a faith strengthening while at the same time amusing experience interacting with christians like Wells …I pray that God AlMighty give him hidaayah someday InsyaAllah
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Eric did you get my email?
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I did, I have replied to it. Thanks
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Erik Asked
” want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!”
And now Erik receives…
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one”
Erik do you believe that allah is ONE and that he has many attributes? If so then according to The Rambam you are like the Christians, that is unless you are a Mutazilite who believes that God has NO attributes?
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Erik Ask’s
Wells, I insist that you respond to my request to you below:
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!
And now Erik receives
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one. “
Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed – Translated From the Original Arabic Text by M. FRIEDLÄNDER, PHḌ, 2ndedition [London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd., 1904], Ch. L, pp. 67-68.)
Erick do you believe that allah is One and he has many attributes? Or are you a Mutazilite?
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Erik Ask’s
“Wells, I insist that you respond to my request to you below:
I want you to provide the reference for your bizarre claim that Rambam ever said that Islam teach to worship 99 gods thus an idolatry!”
And now Erik receives
“Those who believe that God is One, and that He has many attributes, declare the unity with their lips, and assume plurality in their thoughts. This is like the doctrine of the Christians, who say that He is one and He is three, and that the three are one. “
Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed – Translated From the Original Arabic Text by M. FRIEDLÄNDER, PHḌ, 2ndedition [London: Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd., 1904], Ch. L, pp. 67-68.)
Erick do you believe that allah is One and he has many attributes? Or are you a Mutazilite?
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Bismillah
I will rather see the original arabic to understand it myself btw nowhere it says Islam teaches 99 gods like you claim before, O dear.
Who are “those” in your quote? Only triniarians use plurality in their theological vocabulary
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lol I knew u would answer that way. Muslim’s are so predictable. So who teaches god has 99 attributes?
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‘Muslim’s are so predictable’
Your grammar is atrocious. The plural of ‘Muslim’ is ‘Muslims’. No apostrophe.
So it should read ‘Muslims are so predictable’
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Answering Eric
You said;
lol I knew u would answer that way. Muslim’s are so predictable. So who teaches god has 99 attributes?
I say;
And Paul Williams the real Englishman corrected you. He corrected you again when you wrote hypocracy as hypocrisy. So, it means you are not English or a Westerner to ask migrants not to migrate to west and they speak and write English more than you. May be you are a Chinese or Korean immigrant to the west yourself who learnt English a couple of months ago.
I do a lot of mistakes but will be forgiven because I am not English. You are not English either to ask immigrants not t migrate to west and to call Palestinians Pali and to disrespect Allah by disrespecting the name without capitalizing it. Now a I know, it is lack of your English language.
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LOL poor Bobby
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lol so no response OK then lol well go back to ur 99 gods
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Poor Muslims
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POOR CHRISTIANS …… THEY UNDERSTAND THE 3 in ONE format TRINITY …. but they cannot understand the ATTRIBUTE NAMES of ONE TRUE GOD ALMIGHTY …..
AMONG ALL THE BEST of BEST ATTRIBUTAL NAMES of *HA-SHEM* 99 are DISTINGUISHED for CHANTING USES in DAILY LIFE of A COMMON BELIEVER
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