Muslim: My dear Christian brother, why are you worshiping man? Three persons who are each a 100% God?
Christian: You see, my dear Muslim brother, God is complex and your Quran says there is nothing like God and no one can comprehend God, so the nature or God is too complex for us to understand. We Trinitarians worship 3 persons 1 God. GOD IS NOT LIKE HIS CREATIONS.
Muslim: But any person is a being. So worshiping 3 persons is worshiping 3 beings. Worshiping 3 beings amounts to polytheism and or idolatry according to the Bible. A being can be divine, human, angelic, demonic, satanic etc.
The Bible forbids us to worship any being apart from the only one true God of Abraham as Jesus said ” you are the only true God” excluding himself(Jesus) from being a true God.
Christian: But Jesus is not like any human being so he is qualified to be God.
Muslims: Adam is not like any human being so he is also qualified to be God and we have 2 Gods in addition to the one God of Abraham who said He is One, Only and Alone. Wait we can add Eve because she is also not like any human being.
Christian: You miss the point. Adam and eve were created but Jesus was not created.
Muslim: Really? All babies staying in their mothers womb and coming out at birth were created.
Christian: But Jesus did not have a Father.
Muslim: Adam did not have a Father as well so he is also God.
Christian: Adam did not have a miraculous birth but Jesus had a miraculous birth, so Jesus is not like his creations but Adam was created.
Muslims: Birth is a process of creating human being, so whether miraculous or not any birth is like God’s creations and so Jesus is disqualified as being God because any “Birth” is “LIKE GOD’S CREATION”.
Any birth is miraculous because no one knows the force that allows the process of birth to take place.
Conclusion: According to Trinitarians God is not like His creations but the process of birth he suffered is like Gods creations.
Some birth have caesarian section, invitro fertilization without Father present at all in the process, some animals were cloned etc. and all are births to produce and create humans through birth.
Muslim: You said as a Christian that “God is not like His creations” but you also said God became man(His creation). Are you not contradicting your self to the highest order?
Christian: I mean God shares His “being” in 3 persons
Muslim: 3 humans can share their “being” in 3 persons as well, so that 3 persons 1 being is something we human beings already knew and it makes God “like His creations”
God’s being is not shared by anyone and that is what the Bible said the God is “One”.
Christian: The one is complex and it is like grape with so many.
Muslims: But you said God is not like His creations and now you are comparing God with grape(His creations).
Besides Abraham was called “one” and cows were called “one” in the Bible. Are cows complex and therefore cows are Gods like in Hindu.
When Abraham was referred to “one” in the Bible, does that makes Abraham complex and multiple persons?
Christian: Abraham is a human so he cannot be multiple persons but God can be multiple persons.
Muslim: But you said God became man, in fact 100% man. are you not contradicting yourself to the highest order when you said God became 100% man? knowing very well he could not have been the multiple persons you are talking about.
Christian: Well, our God is a multi-personal i.e. 3 persons one God and it is only God that can have that nature.
Muslim: Unless God Himself tells us from scripture that a person is not a being before Christians Trinitarians will not be qualified as polytheist and idolaters because no where in the Bible does it say a person is not a being and no one will accept that a person is not a being.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING AND WORSHIPING MORE THAN ONE BEING IS IDOLATERY AND/OR POLYTHEISM
Christian: You see, Jesus is not like any human being because he has 2 natures
Muslim: Is Jesus as a person i.e. second person of the Trinity a “being”? divine being? human being? angelic being? or both human and divine beings?
Christian: What I can say is that Jesus has 2 natures.
Muslim: Nature is not a being because “nature” does not have intellect, nature does not think well, nature does not have consciousness, nature by itself does not have weight and occupy space, nature is a description of a phenomena but it is not a “being” by itself.
So, saying Jesus has 2 natures means the one saying that has said nothing about Jesus of God.
Christians, you keep saying man has sinful nature. Is the nature man? is the nature a human being by itself?
So 2 natures means nothing to keep saying a being is 2 natures instead of being. Either divine being or human being.
Christians: OK. Jesus is both divine and human being.
Muslims: Thanks, so Jesus has got “one” being or “two” beings? because we all have natures and we do not count our natures as our selves. Our natures are not our selves. Our nature as human among others are to fight, love, hate, lie, tell the truth, do good etc. and all these natures can not be counted as “human beings” or “beings” by themselves. They are just natures but not beings.
So, Jesus having 2 natures is only his description but not existence with consciousness.
Christian #1: I will say Jesus is one “being” with both natures
Christian #2: I will say Jesus is two “beings” with 2 natures
Christian #3: I cannot separate the two natures but I am worshiping the God-Man.
Christian #4: You know? My Muslim brother, God is complex and difficult to understand.
Muslim: Question to Christian #4; Well, if God is complex to understand why are you explaining something that is complex to understand?
Christian #4: That is how God revealed Himself to us for the love He has for us.
Muslim: If you love someone, you do not have to reveal something complex for him to understand by force other wise he must be punished.
Christians: What we can say is God is a mystery
Muslims: EVERY PERSON CAN NOT BE A PERSON WITHOUT BEING A “BEING” IS NOT A MYSTERY BUT KNOWLEDGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN TO US AS HUMAN BEINGS.
To deny every person is a being, is to lie and God does not lie, so every person is a being and therefore the Trinity has got 3 or 4 beings in them and worshiping all of them is polytheism and/or idolatry.
Jesus is a being #1
God the Father is a being #2
If Jesus’s 2 beings i.e. human and divine are to be counted as 2 beings which they are, instead of natures, then we have 2 beings. So Jesus alone will have 2 beings.
A Unitarian Christian said, he does not know who the holy spirit is. If the Holy Spirit exists as part of God as a person then He is a being as well.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
Worshiping more than one being is polytheism and/or idolatry.
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Muslim and Christian dialogue.
Muslim: My dear Christian brother, why are you worshiping man? Three persons who are each a 100% God?
Christian: You see, my dear Muslim brother, God is complex and your Quran says there is nothing like God and no one can comprehend God, so the nature or God is too complex for us to understand. We Trinitarians worship 3 persons 1 God. GOD IS NOT LIKE HIS CREATIONS.
Muslim: But any person is a being. So worshiping 3 persons is worshiping 3 beings. Worshiping 3 beings amounts to polytheism and or idolatry according to the Bible. A being can be divine, human, angelic, demonic, satanic etc.
The Bible forbids us to worship any being apart from the only one true God of Abraham as Jesus said ” you are the only true God” excluding himself(Jesus) from being a true God.
Christian: But Jesus is not like any human being so he is qualified to be God.
Muslims: Adam is not like any human being so he is also qualified to be God and we have 2 Gods in addition to the one God of Abraham who said He is One, Only and Alone. Wait we can add Eve because she is also not like any human being.
Christian: You miss the point. Adam and eve were created but Jesus was not created.
Muslim: Really? All babies staying in their mothers womb and coming out at birth were created.
Christian: But Jesus did not have a Father.
Muslim: Adam did not have a Father as well so he is also God.
Christian: Adam did not have a miraculous birth but Jesus had a miraculous birth, so Jesus is not like his creations but Adam was created.
Muslims: Birth is a process of creating human being, so whether miraculous or not any birth is like God’s creations and so Jesus is disqualified as being God because any “Birth” is “LIKE GOD’S CREATION”.
Any birth is miraculous because no one knows the force that allows the process of birth to take place.
Conclusion: According to Trinitarians God is not like His creations but the process of birth he suffered is like Gods creations.
Some birth have caesarian section, invitro fertilization without Father present at all in the process, some animals were cloned etc. and all are births to produce and create humans through birth.
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Muslim and Christian dialog continue.
Muslim: You said as a Christian that “God is not like His creations” but you also said God became man(His creation). Are you not contradicting your self to the highest order?
Christian: I mean God shares His “being” in 3 persons
Muslim: 3 humans can share their “being” in 3 persons as well, so that 3 persons 1 being is something we human beings already knew and it makes God “like His creations”
God’s being is not shared by anyone and that is what the Bible said the God is “One”.
Christian: The one is complex and it is like grape with so many.
Muslims: But you said God is not like His creations and now you are comparing God with grape(His creations).
Besides Abraham was called “one” and cows were called “one” in the Bible. Are cows complex and therefore cows are Gods like in Hindu.
When Abraham was referred to “one” in the Bible, does that makes Abraham complex and multiple persons?
Christian: Abraham is a human so he cannot be multiple persons but God can be multiple persons.
Muslim: But you said God became man, in fact 100% man. are you not contradicting yourself to the highest order when you said God became 100% man? knowing very well he could not have been the multiple persons you are talking about.
Christian: Well, our God is a multi-personal i.e. 3 persons one God and it is only God that can have that nature.
Muslim: Unless God Himself tells us from scripture that a person is not a being before Christians Trinitarians will not be qualified as polytheist and idolaters because no where in the Bible does it say a person is not a being and no one will accept that a person is not a being.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING AND WORSHIPING MORE THAN ONE BEING IS IDOLATERY AND/OR POLYTHEISM
because His being is shared by 3 persons
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Muslim and Christian dialogue continue
Muslim: Is Jesus not a being?
Christian: Jesus has 2 natures
Muslim: Is human being a nature or being?
Christian: You see, Jesus is not like any human being because he has 2 natures
Muslim: Is Jesus as a person i.e. second person of the Trinity a “being”? divine being? human being? angelic being? or both human and divine beings?
Christian: What I can say is that Jesus has 2 natures.
Muslim: Nature is not a being because “nature” does not have intellect, nature does not think well, nature does not have consciousness, nature by itself does not have weight and occupy space, nature is a description of a phenomena but it is not a “being” by itself.
So, saying Jesus has 2 natures means the one saying that has said nothing about Jesus of God.
Christians, you keep saying man has sinful nature. Is the nature man? is the nature a human being by itself?
So 2 natures means nothing to keep saying a being is 2 natures instead of being. Either divine being or human being.
Christians: OK. Jesus is both divine and human being.
Muslims: Thanks, so Jesus has got “one” being or “two” beings? because we all have natures and we do not count our natures as our selves. Our natures are not our selves. Our nature as human among others are to fight, love, hate, lie, tell the truth, do good etc. and all these natures can not be counted as “human beings” or “beings” by themselves. They are just natures but not beings.
So, Jesus having 2 natures is only his description but not existence with consciousness.
Christian #1: I will say Jesus is one “being” with both natures
Christian #2: I will say Jesus is two “beings” with 2 natures
Christian #3: I cannot separate the two natures but I am worshiping the God-Man.
Christian #4: You know? My Muslim brother, God is complex and difficult to understand.
Muslim: Question to Christian #4; Well, if God is complex to understand why are you explaining something that is complex to understand?
Christian #4: That is how God revealed Himself to us for the love He has for us.
Muslim: If you love someone, you do not have to reveal something complex for him to understand by force other wise he must be punished.
Christians: What we can say is God is a mystery
Muslims: EVERY PERSON CAN NOT BE A PERSON WITHOUT BEING A “BEING” IS NOT A MYSTERY BUT KNOWLEDGE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN TO US AS HUMAN BEINGS.
To deny every person is a being, is to lie and God does not lie, so every person is a being and therefore the Trinity has got 3 or 4 beings in them and worshiping all of them is polytheism and/or idolatry.
Jesus is a being #1
God the Father is a being #2
If Jesus’s 2 beings i.e. human and divine are to be counted as 2 beings which they are, instead of natures, then we have 2 beings. So Jesus alone will have 2 beings.
A Unitarian Christian said, he does not know who the holy spirit is. If the Holy Spirit exists as part of God as a person then He is a being as well.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
EVERY PERSON IS A BEING.
Worshiping more than one being is polytheism and/or idolatry.
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But God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one being. So we only worship one God. So we are monotheists after all.
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