Why a Christian Can View Muhammad As A Prophet

Dr. Craig Considine is a Catholic American of Irish and Italian descent. Craig is currently a Lecturer in the Department of Sociology at Rice University in Houston, Texas. As a sociologist, he focuses on the sociology of religion, race and ethnicity, Christian-Muslim relations, interfaith studies, as well as comparative research and ethnography.

As an advocate of interfaith dialogue, particularly between Christians and Muslims, I’m often faced with the issue of conversion. People ask me, “If you admire Prophet Muhammad so much, why don’t you convert to Islam? Why don’t you accept him as “the seal”? I see these questions popping up on my Twitter and Facebook feeds more than you might imagine.

Basically, me admiring Prophet Muhammad isn’t “enough” for Muslims; in their eyes, I must take a few concrete steps towards Islam to be fully recognized as a “true believer.” Otherwise, I’m just a weirdo Christian who respects Muhammad, but doesn’t recognize him as a “the man.” Christians, on the other hand, have called me “pseudo Catholic” and “infidel” for my positive writings about Muhammad. For these Islamophobes, I’m quite simply a heretic. There’s no way around it. Perhaps my work is irritating to Muslims and Christians because I’m pushing a few traditional boundaries and making people question the very heart of their religious traditions and identities.

Here’s the main issue according to popular narratives: Muslims must recognize Jesus as a prophet of God, as laid out explicitly in the Qur’an. Muslims are’t at risk of anything when they say “I believe in Jesus.” However, if we switched the situation (“I’m a Christian. I believe in Muhammad as a prophet”), people might start to question my credibility as a self-professed Christian. People might say, “Jesus is the only way. You’ve turned your back on God. You’re no longer Christian.”

I’m writing this piece to explain why I disagree with the idea that Christians can’t recognize Muhammad as a prophet. Really, what is in question here is the definition of “prophet.” “Prophet” can be defined as “a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God.” Outside of the dictionary, I’ve always understood “prophet” to mean a messenger of a Higher Power who works on earth to bring justice and peace to humanity.

Let me say this right off the bat: I fully recognize Muhammad’s greatness. He was an exceptional person; he might even be the greatest and most influential human being ever to walk the face of the earth. Prophet Muhammad brought love, peace, and much more to a part of the world that had little of these things.

One of the most overlooked aspects of Muhammad’s character is his fierce anti-racist stance. He made the unprecedented move of considering both white people and black people as equals in the eyes of God. Yet many Christians still refuse to recognize Muhammad as an “inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God” (read: a prophet). The issue for some Christians, perhaps, is that Muhammad claims to have the last and universal truth. This rubs some Christians the wrong way. Only Jesus can make this claim.

In conversations I’ve had with Muslims, a frequent topic of discussion is Muhammad is “the seal of the prophets.” They add that both Moses and Jesus predicted his arrival. Christians, however, find it difficult to “find” Muhammad in their Bible. While some Muslims cite John (14: 16-17) as proof that Jesus predicted the coming of Muhammad, many Christians find it difficult to interpret this verse as the “truth.” Perhaps they’re in denial, though it doesn’t even matter. Christians don’t buy it.

Nonetheless, Christians argue that it is “anti-Christian” to say that Muhammad is a prophet. Because Jesus is the clear-cut revelation of God as noted in the Bible, Christians (the argument goes) must not accept any other figure besides him. However, I see nothing “anti-Christian” in recognizing Muhammad as a prophet. As I mentioned earlier, I like to view the word “prophet” as having a very broad meaning. In fact, I don’t even like to place it in the realm of “religion,” especially not in the Abrahamic tradition. To me, a prophet is someone who has valuable insight and intuition, who is sensitive about the well-being of others regardless of their ethnic or religious backgrounds.

I realize that some Muslims may not be happy with me putting Muhammad on par with other prophets. To be honest, I don’t see Muhammad as the “final prophet.” That’s too limiting for me, but it’s also why I’m able to consider him to be a prophet on equal footing with Jesus and others. To be clear, neither Jesus or Muhammad is the “final prophet” in my mind. I can’t imagine a Higher Power that stops allowing prophets on earth. This world of ours is broken, and so prophets will emerge as the days move forward. I don’t believe in “seals” either. Nothing is “sealed.” My views on life in general are too infinite for that kind of “truth.”

With that being said, both Muslims and Christians will say that I’m “confused” or “insane.” How can you be a Christian if you say Muhammad is a prophet? Why, then, are you not a Muslim? What are the boundaries of your religious identity? Are you both Christian and Muslim? What is going on with you?

I understand. It’s confusing, but life is messy, and “religion” perhaps even more so. A clarification is in order: Do I believe in everything that Prophet Muhammad said according to the Qur’an and hadiths? No, I don’t, but I also don’t believe in everything that Jesus or Moses said according to the Gospel or Talmud. Things kind of cancel out, even out. I accept aspects of both, but neither in their entirety.

When I read the Qur’an, I don’t interpret it as a book for Muslims, but rather for all human beings. The Qur’an (5:47) requests people to “discern what God has sent down to him.” The word “discern” is a crucial one. Literally, discern means to “perceive something.” My mind tells me that Jesus and Muhammad have equally valuable messages. Both men shared some “truths,” but let’s be real: they were human beings. They were prone to error. They made some mistakes. They missed some things.

Let me wrap this up by returning to the question: Is Prophet Muhammad worthy of admiration among Christians? I believe he is. His central concern was to lead mankind on the “right path.” By right path, I mean justice, mercy, compassion, love, tranquility, and peace. For these reasons, I elevate him to “prophet status.”

In conclusion, as a Christian, I don’t see my “religion” or “faith” as having a rigid set of principles. The meaning of my religion and faith changes from time to time, from moment to moment. “Christianity” has gone through a similar process. What it means to be Christian today differs significantly from what it might have meant in the 1st or 15th centuries. In short, my religion is fluid. My code is not set in stone, and to be honest, it never will be. I’ll always allow space for new ideas, new people, new movements. I’ll always find a way to make things “Christian.” That’s the beauty of “religion” – it can always be made relevant to our current situations.

To push that boundary of “Christian identity” is to pave the way for a future that makes more room for the “Other.” Isn’t that what prophets expect of us anyways?



Categories: Bible, Christianity, God, Hadith, Islam, Quran, Wisdom

62 replies

  1. Thanks for sharing Paul.

    It is refreshing to read this heartfelt and reflective perspective by Dr. Craig Considine.

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  2. “One of the most overlooked aspects of Muhammad’s character is his fierce anti-racist stance. He made the unprecedented move of considering both white people and black people as equals in the eyes of God.”

    Except, of course, Muhammad had black slaves. But hey, don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of pseudo history

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  3. More nonsense from the resident brainwashed Christian Mark. Let’s see if he can provide any evidence for those “pesky facts”…cough….

    Speaking of slavery, what did Jesus say about that in the New Testament? Oh right…absolutely nothing. Pesky facts…tsk, tsk, tsk.

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    • I quite like the enlightened view of the New Testament:

      ‘You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you–not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.’

      1 Peter 2:18

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  4. Mark: Except, of course, Muhammad had black slaves.

    And that makes him a racist?

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  5. I love the story of Zayd who was a slave given to him but (eventual Prophet) Muhammad ibn Abdullah freed him. Zayd’s father later found him (Zayd was a slave made by war in the past) and wanted to take him back but Zayd chose to stay instead with Muhammad ibn Abdullah’s household.

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  6. If you recognize a Prophet of God, you should practice what he preaches. In for a penny, in for a pound.

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  7. I quite like the enlightened view of the New Testament:

    ‘You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you–not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.’

    1 Peter 2:18

    Ouch! That’s gotta hurt! Good point brother Paul.

    So Mark, hast thou anything to say? You keep barking up the wrong tree and then get bitten yourself. LOL!

    I have tried many times to understand the psychology (or perhaps it’s pathology?) of your kind, but I just can’t explain your sickening hypocrisy. Is it simply due to your hatred of Islam, that it leaves you incapable of rational thought? Or is it that you are simply ignorant, both of Islam and your own religion? Or maybe…it’s both?

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  8. I found this very interesting, hope Br Paul wouldn’t mind me sharing?

    http://www.thecatholicthing.org/2015/12/17/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god/

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  9. ‘When I read the Qur’an, I don’t interpret it as a book for Muslims, but rather for all human beings’
    I thought that the Koran was a book only for (Muslim) believers.
    How else can it tell believers to fight unbelievers wherever they find them?

    Where does the Koran say anything to unbelievers?
    I suppose if it did say something, it might be along the lines of ‘If you don’t convert to Islam, you must pay the jizya or die’

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  10. “Muhammad had a number of black slaves. One of them was named ‘Mahran’. Muhammad forced him to do more labor than the average man. Whenever Muhammad went on a trip and he, or his people, got tired of carrying their stuff, he made Mahran carry it. Mahran said “Even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load”. Tabari and Jawziyya both record this, so Islam accepts this as true.”

    And just to clarify, the Apostle Paul gave Christian slaves instructions on how to live under the Roman rule. If you keep reading that text, he does the same for masters, men, women, children etc…

    That is very different to Muhammad the racist slave trader and pillager of women slaves.

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  11. ‘Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad’s companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Muhammad personally freed 63 slaves, and his wife Aisha freed 67. In total his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves. The most notable of Muhammad’s slaves were: Safiyya bint Huyayy, whom he freed and married; Maria al-Qibtiyya, given to Muhammad by a Sassanid official, whom he freed and who may have become his wife; Sirin, Maria’s sister, whom he freed and married to the poet Hassan ibn Thabit and Zayd ibn Harithah, whom Muhammad freed and adopted as a son.’

    Wiki

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  12. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said:

    “Fear Allah in regards of those whom your right hands possess. They are your brothers whom Allah placed under your hands (authority). Feed them with what you eat, clothe them with what you wear and do not impose duties upon them which will overcome them. If you so impose duties, then assist them.” [Muslim]

    Muslim narrated on the authority of Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “One of you should not say: My slave (abd) and my slave-girl (amati). All of you are the slaves of Allah and all of your women are the slave-girls of Allah. Rather let him say: My (ghulam) boy and my (jariyah) girl and my (fata) young boy and my (fatati) young girl.”

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  13. Muhamad said:

    “Whoever slaps his slave or strikes him, his atonement (kaffara) is to free him.”

    (Narrated by Muslim on the authority of Ibn Umar).

    However the NT orders slaves to suffer brutal treatment:

    ‘You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you–not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.’

    Much better be a slave under Islamic teaching than NT teaching!

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  14. Allah (swt) says:

    وَٱلَّذِينَ يَبۡتَغُونَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُكُمۡ فَكَاتِبُوهُمۡ إِنۡ عَلِمۡتُمۡ فِيہِمۡ خَيۡرً۬ا‌ۖ وَءَاتُوهُم مِّن مَّالِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِىٓ ءَاتَٮٰكُمۡ‌ۚ

    “If any of your slaves wish to pay for their freedom, make a contract with them accordingly, if you know they have good in them, and give them some of the wealth Allah has given you.” [24:33]

    If the master contracts his slave by saying to him: “If you give me so much, in such and such time, then you are free,” it is obligatory upon the master to enable his slave to attain the money which he contracted upon him. It is obligatory upon the master to free the slave if he brings the money, and it is not correct for him to withdraw from this manumission contract.

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  15. Mark you claimed Muhammad was a racist. These words refute you.

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  16. Dr. Cook

    Long time brother. Well come back. I look forward with good discussion on this one.

    You said;
    ‘When I read the Qur’an, I don’t interpret it as a book for Muslims, but rather for all human beings’
    I thought that the Koran was a book only for (Muslim) believers.
    How else can it tell believers to fight unbelievers wherever they find them?

    Where does the Koran say anything to unbelievers?
    I suppose if it did say something, it might be along the lines of ‘If you don’t convert to Islam, you must pay the jizya or die’

    I say;
    Christianity will be the worse offender when you read it with regards to Jesus preaching about Christians alone rather than all human beings. Jesus consider those who do believe him and allow him to be their king to be his enemy. Did you think about that before attackning Islam?

    Luke 19:27
    New International Version
    But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”

    Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Lost sheep of Israel aren’t all human being my dear Dr.

    Mathew 15:24

    New Living Translation
    Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep–the people of Israel.”

    With regards to the Quran, you did not mention where it says

    1. Fight only those who fights you.
    2. If they stop fighting you stop fighting them because Allah does not want aggressors.
    3. If any of the polytheists seek your help, then help him to a secure place.
    4. No compulsion in religion
    5. If you kill a soul it is as if you kill all humanity

    6. The Most Honored in the Sight of Allah

    7. Qur’an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat (The Inner Apartments)

    O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

    You did not read the Quran well or may be you have to re-read it again and probably have some Islamic scholars read the Quran in Arabic and explain it for you because some of the translations we do not consider as Quran but it is clear for you to see God has addressed all human in many verses.

    It only addresses those who believe in his message in some cases where others did not believe that because He will not force thosw who do not believe his message to obey his command. For example if He wants us to pray 5 times a day and go to hajj, will a non Muslim do that? You will not do that, so God has to address thos who will accept his command.

    For example, command like taking about 15% of your total wealth annually for charity is compulsory for those Muslims who has wealth, so it is not appropriate to address all humans except they believe. Defending against aggressors is compulsory to able bodied Muslims only if they can do that but if they cannot do it is not compulsory.

    Do not bring me abrogation nonsense by Christian missionary lies who will abrogate our Quran for us. Muslims and non Muslims who have Doctorate, Masters, Degrees etc. in Islamic theology have written a lot on abrogation in Islam and they do not interpret it how the Christian missionaries who do not have any qualification in Islam does..

    To be able to correctly interpret what abrogation is in Islam, please you must be Islamic scholar who reads fluent Arabic and degree in Islamic theology. Not Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Nabeel Quraish, Walid Shoebat, Irshad Manji, Aayan Ali Hirsi etc. who are all no scholars of Islam and most do not speak Arabic.

    Dr. Cook, it is not difficult but easy today to go to youtube and you will find white boys and men who memorized the Quran and have degrees in Islamic theology to tell you about Islam than Robert Spencer who does not speak Arabic and has zero(0) degree in Islamic studies.

    Try

    1. Imam John Ederer

    2. Imam Joe Bradford.

    Thanks.

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  17. Since you are defending Muhammad’s slave trading, I have nothing else to add. How evil of you to even try to defend his racism and sexism. Time to grow up I think?

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  18. Dr. Cook

    Sorry Paul for posting more videos. I just want to correct Dr. Kemball-Cook once and for all.

    Dr. Kemball-Cook this is John Ederer again refuting you or should I say teaching you. He memorized the Quran and some hadiths as a convert and he is a white man.

    Thanks.

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  19. Hi Intellect
    Yes, long time, no speak!
    I did not notice Paul had revived his blog until just recently

    We are not talking about the Bible or Christianity here
    I was saying that (surely) the Koran is a book for Muslims, not for all people
    It is never addressed to unbelievers
    Is that not so?

    I quoted 9:29
    It does say fight the unbelievers until they pay the jizya
    Is this verse still valid?
    If so, under what circumstances is it valid today?
    Where in the world might it apply?

    regards
    David

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  20. David Kemball Cook: I was saying that (surely) the Koran is a book for Muslims, not for all people
    It is never addressed to unbelievers

    Actually, there are verses in the Quran that directly address mankind (verses that begin with “O mankind!”). Last time I checked, mankind is made up of both believers and unbelievers.

    David Kemball Cook: I quoted 9:29. It does say fight the unbelievers until they pay the jizya
    Is this verse still valid? If so, under what circumstances is it valid today? Where in the world might it apply?

    If the Quran doesn’t address unbelievers, why do you care?

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  21. Mark, you are so full of crap, it’s not even funny. Oh wait…yes it is! LOL!

    Your hypocrisy is showing again. You defend NT’s sickening and evil views on slavery, yet criticize Islam’s progressive views on it.

    Also, not surprisingly, you cut and pasted nonsense from some anti-Muslim website regarding the story from Tabari. How typical of an ignoramus like you. I particularly like the last sentence: …so Islam accepts this as true. LOL! Not quite. Muslims don’t accept all of the stories from sources like Tabari. We only accept the Quran and the authentic ahadith. But I guess you are too stupid to know that.

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  22. David Kemball-Cook

    I have answered all your questions above with quotation from the Quran that addressed all human as all-mankind but as a friend of mine you should have read all my answer to you including the videos I posted that addressed all your concern.

    You did not read the answer to the questions you asked above but just to ask the same questions again. Do not behave that way.

    Jews call their religion for Jews alone and when you open the Old Testament you see God address Jews as Jews, Children of Israel etc. and you do not have problem about that.

    Well, If you are concerned about something the Quran with regards to something that Bible has similar, then you have to be concerned with both to be fair.

    Jews, Judaism and their scripture talks about them alone and no one else but you are ok with that, but Islam has Chinese Muslims, Korean Muslims, Japanese Muslims etc. and they all believed in the Quran but I never heard of a Japanese Jew or Korean Judaism person. If you are fair, then be concerned about a religion that talk about particular people but not Islam.

    Thanks.

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    • Hi Intellect
      I am a Christian, and according to the Koran, I am one of the worst of creatures (98:6)
      So I do not consider that the Koran speaks to me
      Am I being unfair in saying so?

      I originally quoted 9:29
      i asked you whether it still applies today, and if so where
      You did not answer
      If you think one of those videos gives the answer, can you tell me what it says?

      regards
      David

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  23. The golden rule and the royal law show that it is never God’s will and always forbidden for one person to treat another person cruelly. Slaveowners are not exempt from the law.

    The command to endure the cruel behaviour of the slaveowner is probably only for Christians because it is a special way for them to glorify Jesus similar to the turning of the other cheek. Paul and Jesus agree with each other.

    In certain limited situations Christians are called to forgo their rights to honour the way in which they were saved by Jesus. It probably doesn’t make sense for all people to do this and the bible doesn’t expect this.

    I wonder if trying to portray Muslims as reluctant slaveowners really works? All you have to do is punch a slave on the nose and tell him he is free to go.

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  24. So if i punch my slave in the face it ‘glorifies Jesus’?

    Good God what a barbaric masochistic/sadistic religion!

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  25. ‘The golden rule and the royal law show that it is never God’s will and always forbidden for one person to treat another person cruelly. Slaveowners are not exempt from the law.’

    Yet if slave owners do act cruelly the NT – horrifically – orders slaves to meekly endure it!

    If Christians had been faithful to their Bibles slavery would never have been abolished in the US or UK.

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  26. David Kemball-Cook

    Where did the Quran said Christians are worse of creatures? Please offer us a proof, otherwise you lied against the Quran.

    The Quran said there were previous revelations before the Quran and mentioned them, but the Quran is the furqhan or quality control.

    The Quran said the Christians and the Jews are the people of the book and Muslims must engage them in meaningful dialog as we are doing here.

    The last video is Imam John Ederer who converted to Islam and attended Islamic universities, Institutions and studied with notable scholars from country to country and memorised the Quran and some hadith and has credentials for that. He is telling you that reading a translated version of the Quran is not helpful but it is good to start for a non Muslim.

    If you start to deeply understand Islam, you need scholars as he(John) did and also with knowledge if you can and he explained that, the Quran never said you cannot be a friend to non Muslims but you can find it in some of the English translation “do not take Jews and Christians as friends”-wrong translation. He explained why it is not so together with the “dreadful, misunderstood and misrepresented” 9:29 by Christian missionaries.

    This Christians forgot the killing of babies by their God in the Bible.

    Imam John has credentials from Egypt in Arabic language Mastery. He knows Arabic both classical and Quranic than some Arabs because he does teach some Arabs Arabic. That is the spirit of our religion. Can you recite the Christian Lords prayer in Aramaic? Greek? Hebrew?

    The translated versions have bugs in them. We Muslims consider the translated Quran as not a Quran but the one in Arabic. So after reading the Quran ask questions from different scholars and from so many blogs like this rather, than drawing a conclusion.

    Watch the last video and if you have questions, then ask us, we will respond inshaAllah.

    Muslims main interest with Christians is about who God is and a man dying for sins but a Muslim will not waste his time arguing with a Jew about God because we worship the same God and Jews do not believe a man died for their sins.

    With regards to violence, all scriptures do contain some violent verses and any of us will make its violent verse good. We do not have violet verse that says kill innocent babies but Jesus said “Bring my enemies in front of me and kill them”

    Thanks.

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  27. Where did the Quran said Christians are worse of creatures? Please offer us a proof, otherwise you lied against the Quran.’intellect’ tell us what is the meaning of najs?

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  28. mooshrikoen najs (disbelievers are filthy).

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  29. ‘intellect’ go and do lot of googling as you always do.

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  30. David Kemball-Cook

    Mark 10:33

    New Living Translation
    But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 19:27

    New Living Translation
    And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king–bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’

    Thanks.

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  31. beerfordear

    A Christian accused the Quran for saying what it did no say and I asked you to provide a proof. The ball is in your court. The Quran never said Christians are worse creatures but Jesus said dog referring to a woman because he feels he(Jesus) is not for her.

    We have technology now and David Wood was googling while on debate with Shabbir Ally.

    Thanks.

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  32. who are muhsriek? arabic word mushirk meaning is some1 who believes there is more than one person in Godhead, right? so there you have it muhsriekon najs means disbelievers are filthy.

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  33. beerfordear

    The Quran never said Christians are the worse creatures. Please you did not provide a proof. It is simple, just google it.

    Read below what the Bible said about unbelievers and those who worship any God who is not one, only and alone God of Abraham. The Bible also insulted unbelievers with all sorts of names.

    .”Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
    .”Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
    .”See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
    .”Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
    .”You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
    .”For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32

    Revelation 21:8

    New International Version
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    My good friend beerfordear, I cannot find ” more than one person in Godhead” in both the whole Bible and the whole Quran, so it seems some people invented “more than one person in Godhead” and the Christian friend I was dialoguing do not believe in ” more than one person in Godhead”.

    Thanks.

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  34. Chapter 9 verse 28, worst creatures or disbelievers are filthy whats the difference?

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  35. beefordeer

    It did not say Christians are filthy. I googled and saw it. The Bible, and I quote above said unbelievers are cowards, vile etc. and will be burned in fire. We do not want double standards.

    Thanks.

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  36. the word najasun means filthy. that’s what it says. mushriek are najasun (disbelievers are filthy)

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  37. People of the book is referred to Christians and Jews. The Bible about unbelievers.

    Bible: Titus 1:15 – Unbelievers are impure and their mind is defiled and corrupt. Impure means filthy but more than filthy because everything with regards to unbeliever in the Bible is filthy.

    English Standard Version
    To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

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  38. beerfordear

    The Bible said unbelievers are impure/filthy/defiled. Since you cannot find “3 persons 1 Godhead” in the Bible but 1 only and alone God, then it seems those worshiping 2,3.4.5.6……….and any multiple person is filthy and impure according to the Bible. People do worship multiple persons as God.

    Quran never said Christians a filthy or worse creatures. No proof for that.

    Christians, you are living in a glass house so do not throw stones. Never ever.

    Thanks.

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  39. Hi Intellect
    98:6
    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
    Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

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  40. David Kemball-Cook

    The verse said those who disbelieved AMONG, AMONG, AMONG,AMONG people of the bood and the polytheists.

    The verse the not say “People of the book are worse creatures”

    The Bible said the same about unbelievers and I quote above. It means if I do not believe Jesus died for my sins, I am impure/filthy/ corruptible person/defiled etc. and you did not see anything about that.

    Sahih International: Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

    Pickthall: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

    Yusuf Ali: Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

    Shakir: Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

    Muhammad Sarwar: The disbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans will dwell forever in hell; they are the worst of all creatures.

    Mohsin Khan: Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

    Arberry: The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.

    If you read the translations well, it is not talking about the people of the book but among them who do not believe and we have different type of Christians and you are one of such.

    Bible Titus 1:15

    English Standard Version

    To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

    Thanks.

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  41. Hi Intellect
    I am not a Muslim and I am one of the People of the Book
    So I am an ‘unbeliever’, am I not?
    So I am one of the worst of creatures, according to the Koran, am I not?
    So I hope you understand when I say that the Koran is not a book for me
    The Koran is a book for Muslims only, and it tells them that they are the best of creatures

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  42. David Kemball-Cook

    You said;
    Hi Intellect
    I am not a Muslim and I am one of the People of the Book
    So I am an ‘unbeliever’, am I not?
    So I am one of the worst of creatures, according to the Koran, am I not?
    So I hope you understand when I say that the Koran is not a book for me
    The Koran is a book for Muslims only, and it tells them that they are the best of creatures

    I say;

    You are an intellectual. This argument is for people like Sam Shamoun who has no qualification. I tried to tell you that you made a mistake or you are in error by saying this;
    ————————-

    David Kemball-Cook

    February 2, 2016 • 6:54 pm

    Hi Intellect
    I am a Christian, and according to the Koran, I am one of the worst of creatures (98:6)
    So I do not consider that the Koran speaks to me
    Am I being unfair in saying so?

    I originally quoted 9:29
    i asked you whether it still applies today, and if so where
    You did not answer
    If you think one of those videos gives the answer, can you tell me what it says?

    regards
    David
    ———————————

    I said, the Quran did not say “Christians are one of the worst creature” (98:6).
    The Quran said “unbelievers” AMONG “the people of the book and the polytheists”. I then warn Christians not to throw stones when living in a glass house because anything they will accuse Islam can be found more worse in the Bible.

    Read what Bible said about unbelievers and the Bible is not for me or any one who is not a Christian.

    Bible Titus 1:15

    English Standard Version

    To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

    David, once again you are an intellectual, so do make me a favour, to put forward an intellectual argument when in dialog but do not behave like Sam Shamoun who even Christians start to see is lacking in knowledge. Both Islam and Christianity is strongly against unbelievers or those who reject the truth.

    Bible: Titus 1:15 – Unbelievers are impure and their mind is defiled and corrupt. Impure means filthy but more than filthy because everything with regards to unbeliever in the Bible is filthy.

    Mark 10:33

    New Living Translation
    But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 19:27

    New Living Translation
    And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king–bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’

    Revelation 21:8

    New International Version
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Dr. David

    Fact: The Quran never ever said Christians are worse Christians but instead the Quran speaks well about the Christians and said there are good people among them and we must dialog with them in a friendly way and can marry them but we cannot marry an idol worshiper.

    Fact: All religion including Christianity is harsh on “unbelievers” and call them all sorts of names and will burn them in the hell fire.

    Fact: I am sorry to say, you did not behave like an intellectual here. Why? You criticize what you believe either you did not researched well or trying to be disingenuous because both Bible and the Quran “insults” the unbelievers or those who rejects the truth.

    I can equally say the Bible is not for me because I am an “unbeliever” and vile, defiled, filthy, unclean, enemy, worse creature, corrupt, impure etc.

    Do a little bit of research on Islam by not depending on the translated Quran but if possible consult a lot of Islamic scholars and find the truths. You can listen to lectures on Islam from the Islamic scholars. Most of us Muslims do read Christian books with open minds.

    I swear by Allah, I do listen to Christian pastors/scholars on TV, youtube, internet etc. because it is part of our religion to seek knowledge anywhere.

    I will not childishly say Christianity is not for me because it is harsh on unbelievers or those who reject the truth. All religion are here for truths and not lies.

    Thanks.

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  43. David Kemball-Cook

    We can recommend Islamic books and videos for you on youtube, so that you can research on Islam very well so that in future you will not bring an argument like this one.

    You are an intellectual and a researcher and so can research very well to know all religions like this woman who spent close the thirty years researching on all religions and even though she is not a Muslim but Islam is on top of her list.

    You can also read books of John L. Esposito of Georgetown University who is a Christian, but an Islamic scholar and because he is an academic, he is unbiased than Robert Spencer who do not speak or know Arabic and have no Islamic qualification you are depending on for your knowledge on Islam.

    Thanks.

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  44. I guess I just might have to disagree with your explanation brother Intellect. Although your efforts are fair, they don’t seem to answer all of Dr Cook’s allegations. You perhaps need a helping hand.
    Dr Cook, the first question you haven’t stopped to ask yourself is: ‘WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE FILTHY? HOW HAS THE VERSE IN QUESTION (AND OTHERS) APPLY IT?
    From a holistic view, the explanation isn’t far-fetched. A christian is’ spiritually’ impure, will burn in hell and therefore is the worst creature in the sight of the most high. He rejected the truth even after several divine warnings and failed (betrayed) the purpose of his creation. A verse nicely sums everything up ‘Those are the worst creatures in the sight of Allah…. (ulaa’ika shararul khalq inda Allah)’
    A good analogy will be that of a slave who arrogantly disobeyed and flaunted the orders of his master even after dozens of reproaches. There surely wouldn’t be any wrong done if he’s called his master’s worst slave.
    If the Quran had meant what you read into it, it surely wouldn’t have allowed us to eat your food and live peacefully with you keeping all covenants and agreements (even protecting your churches if need be). Ultimately, We are forbidden even from insulting you or your objects of worship!
    So yes Dr Cook, you are a filth and the worst of creatures in the sight of Allah if your disbelief persists. Hell sir is no pleasant abode.
    NOTE: THE WORD ‘NAJS’ WAS USED TO DESCRIBE DISBELIEVERS WHEN THE INJUNCTION FORBIDDING THEM FROM PERFORMING PILGRIMAGE WAS REVEALED. THIS FURTHER PROVES THE EXPLANATION PROVIDED ABOVE. BUTTRESSING THIS FURTHER IS THE STORY OF THE CONVERSION OF UMAR DURING WHICH HIS SISTER TOLD HIM ‘YOU ARE AN IMPURE POLYTHEIST AND WILL NOT TOUCH MY COPIES OF THE QURAN’
    Allah knows best sir. Hope I have been helpful.

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  45. Hi Intellect
    Thanks
    But I do not understand your point
    Please tell me, am I ‘an unbeliever’ according to Islam?

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  46. Of course you are sir. I thought that has been settled.

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  47. David Kemball-Cook

    You said;
    Hi Intellect
    Thanks
    But I do not understand your point
    Please tell me, am I ‘an unbeliever’ according to Islam?

    I say;
    Both the Bible and the Quran clearly said ‘an unbeliever’ is filthy, defiled, impure, worse creature and any nasty word you can think of.

    My point is, as an intellectual who has gone high to attain good academic credential should know this by researching before drawing any conclusion on Islam alone but being disingenuous or ignorant either not to know Christianity as your believe is guilty in condemning others who do not believe it.

    The Quran did not say Christians are worse creatures but AMONG THEM, AMONG THEM who rejects the truth and therefore are unbelievers. Any religion comes to speak the truth and any one who rejects it is a liar and the same applies to Christianity and I have the verses up for you.

    A person like you is automatically a researcher, analyst, investigator etc. with regards to your credential and so one expect you to have good deliverable or output in your stance.

    Unfortunately, you appear to not believe what you believe i.e.

    Bible Titus 1:15

    English Standard Version

    To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

    Bible Revelation 21:8

    New International Version
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Mark 10:33

    New Living Translation
    But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 19:27

    New Living Translation
    And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king–bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’

    Some people do say Bible is not for them because of the above verses. I believed the above verses just like the Quran is talking about those who reject the word of God as truth, like the people of Abraham rejecting the true God instead they worshiping idols.

    Are this people not impure?

    When I started dialoguing with you, it is evident you depend on Robert Spencer for learning your Islam and he is not a qualified Islamic scholar and he does not know Arabic and that is unfortunate.

    Thanks.

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  48. Paul said: “So if i punch my slave in the face it ‘glorifies Jesus’?

    Good God what a barbaric masochistic/sadistic religion!”

    I reply:

    That would depend on your motivation:

    Matthew 5:

    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    Hebrews 11:

    36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

    39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

    If the Christian chooses to do so he can seek redress, provided the state in which he lives enforces the right of all men to protection from violence in accordance with the law of Moses. Unfortunately the state itself often turns a blind eye or even actively participates in this cruelty.

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  49. ‘Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad’s companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance.

    The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said:

    “Fear Allah in regards of those whom your right hands possess. They are your brothers whom Allah placed under your hands (authority). Feed them with what you eat, clothe them with what you wear and do not impose duties upon them which will overcome them. If you so impose duties, then assist them.” [Muslim]

    I reply:

    A millionaire can afford to be generous can he not? After he gives to charity there is still plenty left is there not? It makes him feel good if he goes to the charity ball and helps the poor. Nothing wrong with that.

    So this is just referring to fellow Muslims as slaves, “they are your brothers”.

    That’s a nice religion that enslaves it’s fellow believers?

    ““If any of your slaves wish to pay for their freedom, make a contract with them accordingly, if you know they have good in them, and give them some of the wealth Allah has given you.” [24:33]”

    So where is this money supposed to come from? The slave has been stripped of all his possessions. Did Mohammed pay his slaves a wage so they could save up for their manumission?

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  50. “Muhamad said:

    “Whoever slaps his slave or strikes him, his atonement (kaffara) is to free him.”

    (Narrated by Muslim on the authority of Ibn Umar).”

    The easy way around this for the slaveowner would just be to let someone else do the slapping or striking on his behalf. It is not necessary for the slaveowner to have personal contact with his slaves to enforce discipline or punishment as he sees fit.

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  51. “Both the Bible and the Quran clearly said ‘an unbeliever’ is filthy, defiled, impure, worse creature and any nasty word you can think of.”

    But the law is the same for believers and unbelievers alike in the bible. The law doesn’t distinguish between them as Sharia does. In the bible it is not a function of the law to oppress the unbeliever.

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  52. I am not aware of any Christian law at all in the NT. Probably because they didn’t bother concerning themselves with such a problem – they thought the world was going to end soon.

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  53. madmanna

    You said;
    “Both the Bible and the Quran clearly said ‘an unbeliever’ is filthy, defiled, impure, worse creature and any nasty word you can think of.”

    But the law is the same for believers and unbelievers alike in the bible. The law doesn’t distinguish between them as Sharia does. In the bible it is not a function of the law to oppress the unbeliever.

    I say;
    It is not the function of the law to oppress the unbelievers alike in the Quran.

    -Will you allow idol worshipers to bring their idol sprinkled with the blood sacrificed in the name of idol to worship in the name of their idol in your Church?

    -Will the Jewish law in the Bible allow an idol worshiper to sacrifice a pig in the name of an idol in their temple?

    -Will the protestant allow the Catholic statue of Mary in their Church for veneration?

    -Can a Muslim eat the flesh of Jesus in some Churches? or Hindu take the flesh of Jesus? madmanna, will you give your flesh of Jesus to a voodoo priest from Haiti?

    You people chidishly keep on blasting Islam without looking at your backdoor.

    YOU WILL SAY JIZYA.

    That is why I keep advising you people to learn Islam from the appropriate sources and not FOX news, David Wood or Irshad Manji because they are not qualified.

    Jizya is a tax for non Muslims. Why?

    Allah want to be fair to the non Muslims because He will not like to force them to do what they do not believe and also Muslim or sharia for withdrawing your money as a Muslims is mandatory and more than the Jizya.

    a. Some percentage(stated) of your total wealth as a Muslim must be paid as tax/charity

    b. You are required to pay any tax in addition to that.

    c. You are required to contribute for anything that has to do with Muslims if you have the money except you do not have it.

    d. You are required to pay tax before, during and at the end of Ramadan and the ending which includes anyone in your household including a new born baby, babysitter etc. as far as the person is under you.

    c. You have to sacrifice in eidul adha to serve the poor and friends and before or after the salat you have to again pay money on behalf of yourself and your dependants authority for the development of Islamic society.

    There are more.

    Apart from all these you have to pay anything your government or ruler asks you to pay. Muslims pay double taxes. They pay taxes in the western countries and pay all the above, except one sincerely do not have.

    The non-Muslims under Muslim rule are exempted from paying all the above because to be fair they are not Muslims and must not be subjected to what they do not believe.

    Their Jizya is something small and the Muslims keeps paying and paying but Christians will use it against Muslims but the Jews who became richer than most Muslims in the Muslim empire paying Jizya will not complain.

    The Jews were successful under Muslim rule despite paying Jizya(tax).

    madmanna and others would have been the first to accuse Islam of forcing its own law on non Muslims to extort money from them had the sharia forced all the above to non-Muslims.

    Thanks.

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  54. Thanks Intellect
    You did not answer my question
    I am not a Muslim
    Am I an ‘unbeliever’ among those of the People of the Book, according to the Koran?

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  55. Denial is no good response in academics brother Temple. However intelligent you try to sound, you seem to have swerved (dodged) the point I have been trying to drive home.
    Why not have a go at the reasons I mentioned and tell me why Dr Philip Schaff is wrong? A mere repetition (‘Ignatius’ seven letters are genuine’) without proofs will surely not move ‘morons’ like myself. Hardly any wonder I left christianity.
    By the way, I find it odd that you buttressed my comment on the views on how Ignatius’ views are catholic without even realising it. I said he recounts a church hierarchy absent today in all except catholic churches. That the new testament talks of a hierarchy isn’t really affecting my argument. Ignatius’ structure was too different.

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  56. @Intellect,

    Thanks, interesting points.

    you said “-Can a Muslim eat the flesh of Jesus in some Churches? or Hindu take the flesh of Jesus? madmanna, will you give your flesh of Jesus to a voodoo priest from Haiti?

    You people chidishly keep on blasting Islam without looking at your backdoor.”

    I reply,

    Of course each religion should be sovereign inside it’s own private places of worship and amongst it’s own people but I don’t see the law going any further than that in the NT. Sharia goes much further than that in exerting it’s influence over other religions in addition to it’s own.

    You didn’t mention blasphemy and apostasy laws, or laws which reduce the rights of reparation of non-Muslims if they have been wronged by Muslims, for example. These laws are designed to oppress non-Muslims living in a Muslim state. We can see this going on all the time in Pakistan and other Muslim majority states against the non-Muslim minorities there.

    The jizya was not a fixed rate for all non-Muslims. There is no upper bound stated anywhere. The Caliph can take as much as he wants. If he is in financial straits or needs money to finance wars he can fix the jizya much higher to finance this. Or if he wants to keep the dhimmi in a destitute state he can use the jizya to do this. In contrast to this the tithe in the OT is a tenth of the produce of the land and cannot be changed.

    Thanks.

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  57. madmanna

    You said;
    Of course each religion should be sovereign inside it’s own private places of worship and amongst it’s own people but I don’t see the law going any further than that in the NT. Sharia goes much further than that in exerting it’s influence over other religions in addition to it’s own.

    I say;
    Do you want lawlessness? In a state? It is only when Islam is in rule that a sharia can be applied and there is no Islamic country today but Muslim majority countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan which follows some western laws and some Islamic laws twisted for their whims and caprice.

    You forgot the Church used its law by killing non Christians and killing Catholics and Protestants? until the atheist and liberalists in the west fought them(Christians) to bring freedom of religion?

    There was no freedom of religion in the Catholic and Protestant lands but there was freedom of religion in Sharia and in Muslim lands under sharia law and it is proved today with Jews, Christians and other religions scattered in the Muslim majority countries from century to century. The creation of Israel and the bribes for the Iraqi Jews to live Saddam Hussein who has a Christian vice president reduced the Jews from Iraq and Morocco. Iran still is one of the Most populous Jews apart from Israel who paid for most Jews to migrate to Israel.

    madmanna, you are a learned man and do not confuse yourself to think the western law and freedom of religion is from Christianity. It is not. It is rather the opposite.

    Just 70 years ago, a catholic would have been beaten or killed in the USA by the protestants Christians and that is the Christian law but it has to be gradually challenged and phased out to allow for the liberal law that allow Muslims to practice their religion but Ben Carson, Donald Trump and all republicans want a Christian law.

    Christian law to ban all Muslims and to kill all doctors in the abortion clinics despite worshiping in a Church, and abortion Doctor was killed in a Church by other Christians-that is the Christian law.

    JIZYA again.
    The Jizya is an extremely agreeable poll tax. The Jizya is ALWAYS whatever amount both parties agree upon if the amount ever exceeds the set minimum. Now is that so scary? No.

    The minimum non-Muslim poll tax is one dinar (n: 4.235 grams of gold) per person (A:per year). The maximum is whatever both sides agree upon.
    It is collected with leniency and politeness as are all debts and is not levied on women, children, or the insane. [o11.4 Reliance of the Traveller, Ahmad ibn Naqib al Misri, edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana Publications, 1994]

    http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.ca/2010/11/jizya-is-not-scary-jizyah.html

    Thanks.

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  58. correction

    …………..for Iraqi Jews to leave Saddam Hussein with his Christian vice president……

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  59. madmanna

    You said;
    Of course each religion should be sovereign inside it’s own private places of worship and amongst it’s own people but I don’t see the law going any further than that in the NT. Sharia goes much further than that in exerting it’s influence over other religions in addition to it’s own.

    I say;
    Because the NT is written by men according to Christians, so it did not provide a divine law like in the Torah and Quran to guide humans and to maintain law and order in society.

    Law and order is needed in every society and God’s law is better. Any scripture without God’s law in it is not from God or may be corrupted at best. So the NT is either not from God or corrupted to without providing law and order to encourage lawlessness.

    Sharia does not exert its influence on other religions but it provides law and order to everyone under its rule and it is fair to recognise those who do not believe in it to exempt them from its sovereign inside it’s own private places by not forcing them to pray like Jesus, fast like Jesus, give charity like Jesus etc.

    Sharia only enforces law that any state will enforce to all citizens and that is punishment for murder, rape, stealing, corruption etc.

    Every state has its own law for murder for instance in the USA so many states have laws to execute and kill a murderer and it is applicable to any one who is under its jurisdiction to send a message to murderers. So in Islamic state, there are similar laws to everyone whether Muslims or non Muslims to send a message to evil doers.

    What is wrong with that? A biased Christian will always find fault with the Sharia law.

    The sharia will not force Jews or Christians to fast or pray but will judge a murderer or a rapist in the state and it is applicable to all. What is wrong with this? Do not steal or rape anyone or you will be punished whether Muslim, Christian or Jew or anyone and this is our punishment. What the heck is wrong about this? When states in the USA or Christians in Europe before being beaten up has the same laws?

    If you are a Christian and you do not follow his way by fasting, falling down on the ground to pray to the God of Abraham like Muslims are doing, then that is your problem not to follow Jesus. Sharia will not force you on this for it is your own choice and freewill.

    Thanks.

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