Bart Ehrman’s new book ‘Jesus Before the Gospels’ makes the case that the stories about Jesus would have changed and evolved before they were written down as the Gospels.Richard Bauckham, author of ‘Jesus and the Eyewitnesses’, defends the view that the Gospels were written by those with access to eyewitness testimony of Jesus’ first followers. They debate who wrote Mark, whether the the Gospels came from anonymous traditions and how they received their titles.
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I enjoyed their lengthy discussion about Mark.
Bauckham made some useful admissions at the end. I think some fundamentalist Christians will be a disappointed. I know one experienced apologist was worried about this dialogue beforehand because Bauckham is not a debate.
Awaiting the evangelical reaction…
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Yahtya yah some very useful admissions like Mark was written by JOHN MARK and that it was PETER’s Gospel and MARK was his TRANSLATOR. Yup fundamentalist Muslims I’m sure are very disappointed.
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Bart Ehrman refutes this idea very well
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BTW what do you think of Bart’s new book, which destroys Islam lol
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So crazy hippy troll went from being an extremist Muslim troll to a evangelical troll. Lol!
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Refutes? Himmm well you would have to assume a bunch of speculation first in order to believe Bart ehrman. Second you also have to ignore the evidence that Bart asks for i.e. Greek Writers in first century Palestine. Bart is definitely a PATRICK.
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Bart gave good reasons why Mark is unlikely to be an eyewitness account
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One of the funniest parts was when Bart Ehrman said that evidence of Mark writing Mark would be that if Mark put his name on it, and then went to the Gospel of Thomas which he rejects. Funny thing is that the Gospel of Thomas actually has that it was written by Thomaas. But he rejects that evidence LOL.
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Ok name one?
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I don’t think I can
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LOL wow his refutation must be really mind blowing since you can not even name one lol.
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Oh well
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Yah evidently I have a slightly higher standard for what counts as a “Refutation”
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Would seem so
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Completely off topic…i was going through old you tube debates and couldn’t find the sami zataari and nabeel qureshi’s dabate they did years ago. I think they were the series of easter debates. The one where qureshi makes fun of sami’s accent and shows the legendary ‘christian love’ . Does anyone know where i could get hold of it? I think Paul was in one of the debates?
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a lot of my debates are kept off out of the public domain for various reasons beyond my control.
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I think this one has been deliberately deleted because it shows qureshi to be the bigot that he is! Sami totally annihilated nabeel and at one point in the debate james white wanted to answer one of the questions, although he was moderating the debate! Utter shambles from the christian side! No wonder they deleted it!
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Two of the biggest assumptions that many Christians make regarding the truth claims of Christianity is that, one, eyewitnesses wrote the four gospels. The problem is, however, that the majority of scholars today do not believe this is true. The second big assumption many Christians make is that it would have been impossible for whoever wrote these four books to have invented details in their books, especially in regards to the Empty Tomb and the Resurrection appearances, due to the fact that eyewitnesses to these events would have still been alive when the gospels were written and distributed.
But consider this, dear Reader: Most scholars date the writing of the first gospel, Mark, as circa 70 AD. Who of the eyewitnesses to the death of Jesus and the alleged events after his death were still alive in 70 AD? That is four decades after Jesus’ death. During that time period, tens of thousands of people living in Palestine were killed in the Jewish-Roman wars of the mid and late 60’s, culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem.
How do we know that any eyewitness to the death of Jesus in circa 30 AD was still alive when the first gospel was written and distributed in circa 70 AD? How do we know that any eyewitness to the death of Jesus ever had the opportunity to read the Gospel of Mark and proof read it for accuracy?
I challenge Christians to list in the comment section below, the name of even ONE eyewitness to the death of Jesus who was still alive in 70 AD along with the evidence to support your claim.
If you can’t list any names, dear Christian, how can you be sure that details such as the Empty Tomb, the detailed resurrection appearances, and the Ascension ever really occurred? How can you be sure that these details were not simply theological hyperbole…or…the exaggerations and embellishments of superstitious, first century, mostly uneducated people, who had retold these stories thousands of times, between thousands of people, from one language to another, from one country to another, over a period of many decades?
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But consider this, dear Reader: Most scholars date the writing of the first gospel, Mark, as circa 70 AD. Who of the eyewitnesses to the death of Jesus and the alleged events after his death were still alive in 70 AD? That is four decades after Jesus’ death. During that time period, tens of thousands of people living in Palestine were killed in the Jewish-Roman wars of the mid and late 60’s, culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem.
Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
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The majority of NT scholars, including NT Wright, now say that the Gospels were most likely NOT written by eyewitnesses:
https://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/majority-of-scholars-agree-the-gospels-were-not-written-by-eyewitnesses/
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