‘Complete refutation of ex-Muslim liar on female captives and rape’

Published on 21 Jun 2016. Radush Shubuhaat writes, 

‘Here we do a complete refutation of the ignorance and lies of this newly ex Muslim on the claimed immoral teachings of Islam. Although his claim to knowledge and extensive learning, he has proven himself completely ignorant or completely deceitful with his claims to not being able to find refutation for the lying story of rape being acceptable in Islam. We challenge this opportunist to view our refutation and respond with real proofs of his claims, or an open apology for his lies!!!’ 

Categories: Islam, Islamophobia, Quran

42 replies

  1. Did that man convert to Christianity now?


  2. Williams, could you have found a bigger joke than Radush? The guy is one of the worst and nastiest “debaters”. You are better than that Williams.


  3. Sam I’d vote you for the worst and nastiest debator joke ever mate…


  4. Yeah Sam, as your such a loving and respectful debator? LOLZZZZ.
    And Sam, don’t address the issues, use ad hominem attacks!!! Attack the character of the person, not the content of the presentation/debate! LOL


  5. Wow after watching this “Complete refutation” I am convinced that the Islamic way of treating captives of war is the way to go.

    The Israeli’s should adopt this policy ASAP

    Palestinian Muslim woman taken captive (if married) should have their marriages dissolved
    Israeli Soldiers should then be allowed to have sex with their captives outside of marriage to their Jewish wives.

    And NATO and all other western military’s should adopt the same policy
    Afgani Woman, Syrian, Iraqi woman taken captive should have their marriages dissolved.
    And Western Soldiers allowed to have sex with their female captives outside of any marriages they have with their own wives.

    Don’t you Muslims agree that this is much better.


  6. Hadith, Sahih Al Bukhari – VOLUME 3, # 432:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that while he was sitting with Allah’s messenger we said, “Oh Allah’s messenger, we got female captives as our booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

    (also refer to Bukhari Vol. 3, #718)

    Hadith Sahih Al Bukhari – VOLUME 9, # 506:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relations with them without impregnating them. So they asked the prophet about coitus interruptus. The prophet said, “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection”.
    Qaza’a said, “I heard Abu Said saying that the prophet said, “No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it.””

    (also ref. Bukhari 5:459).

    Hadith Sahih Al Bukhari – VOLUME 5, #637:
    Narrated Buraida: The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (part of the war booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, “Don’t you see this (i.e. Ali)? When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, “O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Do you hate him for he deserves more than that from the Khumus.”

    Hadith Sahih Muslim, VOLUME 2, # 3371
    Abu Sirma said to Abu Said al Khudri: “O Abu Said, did you hear Allah’s messenger mentioning about al-azl (coitus interruptus)?” He said, “Yes”, and added: “We went out with Allah’s messenger on the expedition to the Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl” (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: “We are doing an act whereas Allah’s messenger is amongst us; why not ask him?” So we asked Allah’s messenger and he said: “It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born”.

    Hadith Sahih Muslim, VOLUME 2, # 3432

    Abu Said al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah’s messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran – 4:24), (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda (menstrual) period came to an end).


  7. Oh this is going to be fun, mr that’s so wrong. Especially when we get int the bible’s express teaching on slavery and POW’s!

    No, what the christian general should do is kill all the ALL the men, ALL the women, ALL THE CHILDREN. The only ones spared are the VIRGIN GIRLS, without exception. And then these girls have to be distributed among the soldiers who slaughtered THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES. And this is according to numbers 31 in the ot.

    And the hot ones amongst these virgins, who these murdering soldiers fancy, will be allowed one whole month to get over this genocide of their entire people, then they will be forced to mutilate themselves by shaving their heads before marriage to these very soldiers.

    Wow! So humane and considerate. They need to re-write the Geneva Conventions to include this kind of treatment promoted in the ot!!!



    Abu Said al-Khudri said: “The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.

    Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess”. That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.” [The Quran verse is 4:24].


  9. Before I go further, as a Muslim I have to clarify that (my wife pointed this out to me, she’s an amazing woman!) when i write about God,Yahweh, in no way am i making fun of the Almighty God and i seek refuge from ever doing this. I am only pointing out the absurdities and the incorrect portrayal of the Almighty in the bible. And also, as a Muslim i am forbidden to ever make fun of any of the Almighty’s Prophets, including the amazing, wonderful Jesus Christ (AS). Again i am trying to point out the absurd and contradictory way Jesus is portrayed in the bible. To love and respect all Prophets is the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (SAW).


  10. Now having clarified that…..


  11. The Quran never encourages slavery, on the contrary freeing slaves is encouraged, and seen as a good deed.


  12. The Quran encourages marrying of slaves In fact after the verse discussed by neil/ismael (4:24), the next verse is
    And whoever among you has not within his power to marry free believing women then (marry) of those whom your right hand possess… (4:25).
    They are not required to undergo any humiliating ritual like shaving their hair as in the ot!


    ‘Wed not an idolatress til they believe for a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress” (2:221)


  13. There are many verses which encourage freeing of slaves in the Quran.

    Did we not show him the two paths?He should choose the difficult path.Which one is the difficult path? THE FREEING OF SLAVES. 90: 10-13

    Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west, righteousness are those who believe in God, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture and the prophets, and they give money to the relatives, the orphans, the needy,the traveller, the beggers AND TO FREE THE SLAVES 2:177

    ‘…And if any of your slaves ask for a deed (to gain freedom) give them such a deed, if you know any good in them. Give them someting yourselves out of the means God has given you’ 24:33

    Charity goes to the poor, the needy, those who work to collect it, those whose hearts have been united AND TO FREE THE SLAVES… 9:60

    One of the expiations for bad deeds is freeing slaves,

    a) accidental death of a believer 4:92
    b)deliberately swearing false oaths 5:89
    b)divorcing ones wife and then wanting her back 58:3-4

    As the above proves, the Quran does not encourage slavery but encourages freeing them. Now that slavery no longer exists, Islam does not allow the reintroduction of it.


    • Sahih International: But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess – then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.


  14. For those who are wondering, the brother who made that video is Aqil Onque.

    A couple of thoughts on this ex Muslim’s approach::

    1. If Converted2Islam is following he Torah does that not smack of inconsistency as his basic spiel is Islam does not conform to his idea of morality. If Islam doesn’t conform to his idea of morality then how does the Torah?

    2. This guy is a threat to Christianity, although some Christians are promoting him due to their anti-Muslim stance. The same arguments could be used against the Trinitarian view of Jesus. For example, ex 21 contains a teaching allowing slave masters to beat their female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days.


    • Yes Yahya it’s in Exodus 21.
      The hypocrisy of neil. Let him try defending that. Does beating slaves to near death, including women, conform to his morality!


  15. Now mr that’s so wrong, lets look at what the bible says regarding slaves. If Willy Wilberforce followed the instructions from the bible, he would never have campaigned to abolish it!!!

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you, from them you buy slaves…and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property AND CAN MAKE THEM SLAVES FOR LIFE. !!!!!! leviticus 25: 44-46

    So the slavery practiced by the christian americans was directly in line with the ot teachings. Those white slave masters were acting as good christians should by purchasing the slaves ‘from nations around you’i.e. Africa!!! Remember, you christians will not allow any contaxt when addressing Islam, so right back at ya!!!


  16. And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl she will not go out in the way a slave man goes out… Exodus 21: 7-8

    There is no condemnation in this verse!!!! a man is allowed to sell his own DAUGHTER INTO SLAVERY!!!!!


  17. Masters are allowed to beat to NEAR DEATH the slaves, so long as they do not kill them! wow how merciful!! another example of the loving yahweh/jesus!!

    ‘When a slave owner strikes a male or female with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment, for the slave is the owners property’
    Exodus 21: 20-21

    Notice, a man can beat his woman slave as well, no distinction made here!! great way to treat women. The only punishment is if the slave dies immediately. If beaten to near death, including a woman, then there is NO punishment at all. How Humane!!!

    Contrast this with authentic hadith that if a master so much as slaps the slave, the penalty is freedom for the slave.

    And the christians have the audacity to criticise the morality of Prophet Mohammed. Where’s the condemnation of yehweh/jesus for commanding this!!


  18. Ye, yes, I know the pathetic excuses from the christians…’we’re under the new covenant, the new testament’

    Well lets see what jesus the lamb god has to say..hmmm

    ‘Slaves submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only those who are good and considerate BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO ARE HARSH’ 1 Peter 2:18

    ‘Let all those who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honour, so tht the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful, rathe they must serve them more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved of . TEACH AND URGE THESE DUTIES, WHOEVER TEACHES OTHERWISE DOES NOT AGREE WITH OUR LORD JESUS.’

    The horrific christian american slave trade was directly in line with the NEW TESTAMENT. The abolitionists were going against jesus’s teachings. The slaves had no right to demand freedom, according to jesus, they have to ‘submit’ , even to cruel, harsh treatment, as this would mean they are good christians.

    The slave masters were following the sources of christianity. There’s no greater source for christians than the nt, right?? Right back at ya!!


  19. Hey sammy boy, and mr that’s wrong and the rest of you hypocritical christians are you going to condemn the verse from the old and new testament and be consistent? And are you guys going to right the wrong that has been done to humanity by reintroducing slavery??? Because your bible NEVER wanted to abolish it. The good christian slaves were those who obeyed their masters and never rebelled and the good Christian masters are those who beat their slaves, so long as they did not kill them. That’s what jesus the loving man lamb god thing, wants.

    So don’t kid yourselves and think the bible advocates the abolition of slavery, it doesn’t. The African/Americans should just have put up with it and never demanded their freedom According to the bible and lamb god jesus!!!
    Right back at ya!!!


  20. Jacob you convinced me, Islam is so much more moral than the bible. So much so that I think the Israeli’s and the west should adopt that morality when it comes to captive she-Muslims.

    You agree right. Palestinian Muslims captured by Israeli’s should be divorced if they are married and the Israeli soldier should be allowed to have sex with her.


    • You keep mentioning this so I will explain it to you. Yes, there is no fundamental problem in the IDF doing what the Muslims do too. But the intercourse must be consensual and Muslim women cannot have intercourse with non-Muslims so they would have to refuse.


    • Nadir thanks for answering me something every Muslim has failed to do.

      So tell me is the mandatory divorce of the woman CONSENSUAL?


  21. Mr that’s wrong, oh of course biblical morality concerning captives of war is much better. I mean jesus just solved the whole problem of married women by commanding them to be slaughtered, as well as all the men. You know, because genocide is soooo much better!! LOLZZZ

    Obviously, in old testament times jesus hadn’t yet read the geneva conventions!!! And he forgot the ‘love’ thing! At this point jesus was into mass murder!


  22. Oh and lets not forget the only people that genocidal jesus spared are virgin girls to share among the soldiers, after they had killed all the others, including children and all the animals, and then burnt the entire town down.

    Now after these virgin girls had witnessed the brutal genocide of their people, the pretty ones are given a whole month to get over it and then marry one of these mass murderes, after humiliating themselves further by shaving their hair.

    However the plain virgins who are left behind are forever condemned to slavery, where they can be beaten to near death by their masters and ill treated in any other way. The only thing is, the master is not allowed to kill them and have sex with them. Other than that all other mistreatment is allowed.

    Now all the above is something to be real proud of.


  23. And lest you use the usual christian tactic and throw the ot under the this-is-indefensible-bus, lets go to the nt, where now jesus is in the-love-triangle, and now he’s a lamb god, so surely he’s going to encourage these sweet virgin slaves girls be given their freedom? Right? …. NO WRONG!!

    The contrary , split personality disorder jesus, who’s not loving at the moment, wants these little virgins slave girls to forever remain slaves, with no hope of emancipation, ever. 1Peter 2:8
    Colossians 3:22
    1 Timothy. 6: 1-5

    Basically, spilt personality disorder jesus’s command to the abolitionists would have been, ‘hey slaves, put up and shut up!’ If you want to be good christian slaves then ask for your freedom, ever!

    Thank God the abolitionists DIDN’T obey the bible.


    • We see that they cannot answer the problems in the Bible. They bring up some explanations to either relativise it or to make up some context. Since they know that their explanations are modern ones and have no basis in classical Bible commentaries they are diverging from the topic.

      The only two things they can come up with then are:

      -but Jesus
      -but IS

      But none of these arguments solves the problem they brought for themselves when they morally objected on Islam for the same things found in the Bible.


  24. Typo. If you want to be good christian slaves then don’t ever ask for your freedom!


  25. It’s obvious that Mr that’s wrong and co, are so entrenched in their hatred of Prophet Mohammed and his followers that no matter what proofs are brought before them, they just can’t see passed their hatred! If we use the same standards, taking biblical verses out of their historic context as these hate filled christians do, then the bible becomes indefensible. And these hypocrites only tactics are defection, sarcasm and and ad hominems!

    Well, my hypocrite christian friends, i have to go now. I’ll leave you to stew in your hatred and bile!!!


  26. Typo, ‘deflection, not defection’ !


  27. @Paul’s Pal & all christians who copy from David Wood’s site.
    (Deut 21:11-14) has nothing to do with marriage .
    Satanic Christians have been always playing with the translations.

    If the (Deut 21:11-14) had anything with marriage, why would God command that Israeli man to (release )that captive woman and not (divorce) her?

    We read in (Deut 21:14) “But if you marry her and she does not please you, you must let her go free. You may not sell her or treat her as a slave, for you have humiliated her”
    Why would God command that man not to SELL her ? Wasn’t that the normal situation when a husband divorces her wife? Why was there a need to instruct that man?
    Then, what kind of (Humiliation) that man did for that woman?

    If we read the Hebrew text, we will find the answer.
    The term which is used in Hebrew is (עִנִּיתָֽהּ׃)!!
    Guess what?
    The same term (עִנִּיתָֽהּ׃) has been used in Genesis 34:2 in the story of Dinah which has been translated to (Rape).
    The term in Hebrew is pronounced as (anah). in Arabic is (anna)

    I’m an Arabic man, and I know how that term is used. It’s used to describe any act which has been done by FORCE.

    Note (Deut21:11-14) has nothing to do with Marriage. Baal could be used as (husband). However, it means the (owner) in Arabic and Hebrew.


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