Calling Christians highlights a common confusion in Christian explanations of the Trinity

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As someone commented under this post on Facebook:

By saying Jesus was “part Divine” & “part man”, you create a huge problem for yourself.

Did God die then? The Christian says “No, only the man died”.

But, on the same hand, “a man dying” isn’t good enough for them for remission of sins, the need a “divine man”.

The Christian can’t even explain his own position without contradicting himself somewhere…and, an explanation is not a proof, as I just showed you.

You explained HOW your theory works, & I showed you WHY it can’t be the case ; an explanation is not a proof.



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  1. Start of conversation with Trinitarian: “You are wrong because you do not understand the trinity”.

    End of conversation with Trinitarian: “You are wrong because no one can understand the Trinity.”

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    • What can be more contradictory than a god who cannot enter the creation of his own making, yet who is all powerful.

      Worse still, muslims claim that god is unknowable, yet claim with absolute certainty that god cannot be triune. The problem is that your god’s oneness is only an attribute and attributes do not reveal who or what your god is.

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    • ‘Only an attribute’ LOL

      Your ignorance of the Islamic concept of God is laughable

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    • Paul W

      Muslims are ignorant of the islamic concept of god – not one has been able to explain it on this blog. Besides, isn’t his oneness an attribute?

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    • Dude it is not Muslims who are ignorant about Whom they worship. You are obviously a troll – nothing more nothing less

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    • The confusion in Christian explanations of the Trinity is not only noticed by Muslims.

      “One may say with one’s lips: ‘I believe that God is one, and also three’ – but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.” (What is Religion by Leo Tolstoy).

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “The confusion in Christian explanations of the Trinity is not only noticed by Muslims.

      “One may say with one’s lips: ‘I believe that God is one, and also three’ – but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.” (What is Religion by Leo Tolstoy).”

      And what’s your point? Tolstoy would then have been skeptical about the quantum world in which particles exist only as potentials or in more than one form simultaneously until consciously observed.

      Besides I suspect you have lifted that quote from some muslim apologetics site without context and without having actually read the work itself. As far as I know, Tolstoy remained a christian.

      And muslims are confused by their own god, so it is no surprise they are confounded by ours.

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    • Paul Williams

      “Dude it is not Muslims who are ignorant about Whom they worship. You are obviously a troll – nothing more nothing less”

      Really?

      “Explain tawheed and islam’s god”

      Answer – “god is one!!!”

      “yes, but that doesn’t explain it”

      Answer – “god is one!! Simple!!”

      “yes, but that does not explain it, it only describes it.”

      Answer – “TROLL! The trinity doesn’t make sense!”

      That’s how much muslims understand their own god.

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    • So D do you have a life outside of my blog?

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    • Change the subject why don’t you.

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    • Indeed.

      So do you have a life outside of this blog? Cos it seems you have an obsessive compulsive disorder…

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    • I’ll take that as a signal that once again, there will be no explanation of islam’s concept of god coming from anyone on this blog.

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    • Lol you are a silly billy. You just don’t get it D

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    • D
      “And what’s your point?”

      The point is Trinitarians can not substantiate their truth claims without contradicting themselves or being inconsistent.

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    • Burhanuddin1

      And that makes no sense whatsoever. Your argument is; Tolstoy didn’t understand the trinity therefore christians contradict themselves.

      Good reasoning. LOL!!

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    • Not only Tolstoi doesn’t understand the trinity.

      “Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten–just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.”

      (Ingersoll’s Works, Vol. 4, p. 266-67).

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    • Burhanuddin1

      You’re quoting an atheist to prove your point? What would he have said about mohammed flying up to heaven on a winged beast and having a chat with moses and allah? Or the idea of the moon being split? Or investigating murder cases by reviving dead victims by slapping them with a piece of flank steak?

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    • Paul Williams

      ” You just don’t get it D”

      Well yes, exactly. I don’t get it. I’ve said that all along.

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    • The problem lies within you D. You just lack the humility to acknowledge it.

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    • omar

      “Here you go darling D @.. some information about Allah’s oneness, names and attributes for your *sincere* consideration”

      Thanks. I look forward to reading it. Now how does posting a link answer the questions about tawheed and islam’s conception of god?

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    • “Thanks. I look forward to reading it. Now how does posting a link answer the questions about tawheed and islam’s conception of god?”

      Easy!.. Think is the answer that will make your answers disappear!.. Refer to the table of content that specify the sections about Tawheed and the concept of God that directly relate to the specific answers you seek…Read D and May God Almighty guide you to Islam..Ameen

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    • omar

      “Easy!.. Think is the answer that will make your answers disappear!.. Refer to the table of content that specify the sections about Tawheed and the concept of God that directly relate to the specific answers you seek…Read D and May God Almighty guide you to Islam..Ameen”

      The upshot is that, once again, there are no muslims on this site who are willing or able to do the thing that they demand of christians – explain their concept of god. Won’t you give a shoot omar?

      Paul Williams

      “The problem lies within you D. You just lack the humility to acknowledge it.”

      All I’ve done is post a question.

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    • “All I’ve done is post a question.” and i have provided you the answer you seek!😊 now read D and learn from a knowledgeable person on the topic you raise…if you have any clarifying questions after reading and sincerely seeking an answer..let me know…all you questions are answered… seek and the truth will set you free..😉

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    • omar

      “”All I’ve done is post a question.” and i have provided you the answer you seek!😊 now read D and learn from a knowledgeable person on the topic you raise…if you have any clarifying questions after reading and sincerely seeking an answer..let me know…all you questions are answered… seek and the truth will set you free..😉”

      Well, a link is not an answer omar, it’s a deflection. And still no muslim on this site can explain their conception of god. Why are you even theists?

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    • “Well, a link is not an answer omar, it’s a deflection”..ahh no its not D.. the answer is one click away!😉 Just click.. you’re salvation may depend on it!…if you have a sincere heart you will click and read… Just do it mate..!😊

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    • omar

      ““Well, a link is not an answer omar, it’s a deflection”..ahh no its not D.. the answer is one click away!😉 Just click.. you’re salvation may depend on it!…if you have a sincere heart you will click and read… Just do it mate..!😊”

      You’re funny.

      Why are you presuming I don’t know you concept of god? It isn’t the point – the point is that none of you guys can explain it. Link away, it doesn’t change this fact – you guys demand that christians explain the trinity and claim that its supposed complexity somehow disproves its veracity.

      All I’m doing is asking you the same – explain your concept of god. every muslim that I’ve talked to online or otherwise cannot do it.

      Why is that if it is such a simple concept?

      Poor Burhanuddin had to resort to atheism to make a point because he is unable to argue from an islamic point of view – muslims just cannot explain their god.

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  2. The only thing being demonstrated here is Ijaz’s CONFUSION regarding Nestoriansim.

    No where does Dr White say the following.

    “By saying Jesus was “part Divine” & “part man”,”

    No where does Dr White say Christ was TWO persons instead he says he was ONE person with two natures.

    Nature != Person.

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    • Actually on second thought its not “CONFUSION” on Ijaz’s part, since no where does Dr White say “PART” or “Two Persons”. Instead it is total dishonesty. So its just Ijaz as normal

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    • Paul Wrote…

      “Like I said, it takes a man to admit he is in the wrong. You have failed the test. ”

      My response: And thats why Paul you will never admit you are wrong. Failure is not the same as success.

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    • Kmak

      So do you have anything else you are looking for Jesus to do to prove that he is God?

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  3. Nothing to loose D but much to gain😉.. just click!

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  4. Omar do you even know what the meaning of Tawheed is?

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  5. The question remains – who died on the cross?

    Some Trinitarians say Jesus died “via his human nature”.

    But then he did not die “via his divine nature”.

    The trinitarian Jesus seems stuck in nowhere land.

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    • Jesus died on the Cross. Nope not really a question on that.

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    • Do you deny he did never died via his divine nature?

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    • I reject your premise in its entirity. We do NOT divide the substances. The ONE person JESUS Christ died. Full stop. This one person is UNIQUE one of a kind, in that he had TWO natures divine and human, these two natures are not mixed up they are not separate persons and we do not say the divine nature starts or stops here, and the human nature stops and starts here.

      So your whole premise is a false premise.

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    • I think you are in a state of denial.
      It’s not my premise, it’s reality. Many trinitarians say (and said on this blog) Jesus died “via his human nature”only. James White says “you cannot crucify the divine nature”.

      Seems you contradict James White.

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    • LOL of course you can not crucify the divine nature lol. AGAIN we DO not divide the natures. The PERSON Jesus Christ died on the cross. He was had both DIVINE and HUMAN nature. Two natures not two persons. So yes you CAN NOT crucify a NATURE. ,But you can crucify a human being who had both natures divine and human.

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    • Oh dear. Jesus was a “human being who had both natures divine and human.”?

      Really? Doesn’t sound like orthodox incarnation to me. More like this comment under the discussed post on Facebook:

      “To keep things more simple we idealist Christians argue the universe is a simulation inside the mind of God

      So god therefore can have a human nature by simulating a human for him character just like you do in sim city

      When you character in the video game dies your real self doesn’t die

      Your avatar and you are the same person because it is controlled by the same mind (yours)

      But when he dies you don’t die”.

      LOL!

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    • Burhan wrote…

      Oh dear. Jesus was a “human being who had both natures divine and human.”?

      Really? Doesn’t sound like orthodox incarnation to me.

      My response LOL again LOL. Since that is precicley orthodox Christianity. Its so ORTHODOX that if you read the screen shot from Ijaz site on this thread you will see Dr White saying the very same thing I just said.

      “he is speaking of Christ as one person with TWO natures.”

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    • “you will see Dr White saying the very same thing I just said.”

      That’s incorrect. White says “he is speaking of Christ as one person with TWO natures.” That’s correct, the orthodox understanding, one DIVINE person with two natures.

      You say Jesus is a “human being who had both natures divine and human”.
      That’s utter nonsense in trinitarian terms. Please give me a creed or a Council decree that says that.

      A “human being WHO had … whatever” is a human person. Seems like your own personal Jesus is a Nestorian one after all, a divine and a human person. LOL.

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    • Burhan wrote….

      “one DIVINE person with two natures.”

      Wow you are really too stupid for words. Yes Jesus was one DIVINE person in that he had the divine nature. He was also a real human being in that he had the human nature.

      So saying Jesus was one person who had two natures one divine and one human, or One DIVINE person who had two natures one divine and one human is the same thing.

      You are making a distinction with out a difference.

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    • That’s right: Yes Jesus was one DIVINE person in that he had the divine nature. He was also a real human being in that he had the human nature.

      I’m convinced Jesus had a human nature. I’m not convinced Jesus had a divine nature. What kind of divine properties did Jesus have?

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    • Kmak asked….What kind of divine properties did Jesus have?

      My answer

      The problem with your question is that it implies you are looking at the human nature while trying to find qualities of the divine nature.

      The purpose of the incarnation was not for Christ to display his divine attributes (which he emptied himself of Phil 2:5-11) but instead for God to fulfill the covenant in himself and save his people.

      So let me ask you what divine qualities are you looking for?

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    • That’s right: So let me ask you what divine qualities are you looking for?

      Let’s start with omnipotence.

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    • Omnipotence means having unlimited or very great power. Since as I stated above he emptied himself to take on human flesh what great or unlimited power are you looking for?

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    • So Bobby you disagree with St Paul when he said of the incarnate Jesus:

      “For God in ALL his fullness was pleased to live in Christ”

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    • Paul wrote… So you disagree with Paul

      “For God in ALL his fullness was pleased to live in Christ”

      What did I write to ever make you think I did not believe the fullness of God did not dwell in Christ?

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    • When you wrote

      “Omnipotence means having unlimited or very great power. Since as I stated above he emptied himself to take on human flesh what great or unlimited power are you looking for?”

      emptiness and fullness are opposites dear boy

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    • Paul having a little trouble seeing your point. He emptied himself does not mean he emptied himself of his full divine nature. Unless you believe that attributes or qualities are God? But that would be big shirk for you.

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    • you are being a little cryptic or maybe you are just confused. So lets start over:

      Was Jesus on earth fully God? Yes or no?

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    • That’s right: Omnipotence means having unlimited or very great power. Since as I stated above he emptied himself to take on human flesh what great or unlimited power are you looking for?

      Without presupposing that he is God, to what extent can we determine Jesus’ omnipotency based on his actions alone?

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    • Paul I”m not being cryptic at all. And what have I written EVER that would prompt you to ask me that question. So just because you can’t keep up doesn’t mean I have to slow down the class for you. It just means you have to pay better attention.

      So lets continue. You made the implication that since Jesus emptied himself or made himself of know reputaion or humbled himself or set aside or veiled his divine attributes. That this means the divine nature is no longer fully divine. Ok so now demonstrate why that is he case.

      If that is not your position then please state what your position is.

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    • before we continue you need to clarify your cryptic Christology.

      Which of the following of your list best represents your position:

      1) Jesus emptied himself (meaning what exactly?)

      2) or made himself of know (sic) reputation

      3) or humbled himself

      4) or set aside his divine attributes

      5) or veiled his divine attributes

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    • Kmak asked

      “Without presupposing that he is God, to what extent can we determine Jesus’ omnipotency based on his actions alone?”

      My response, and tha is a good question. See Paul we don’t have to start the class over.

      I can only answer on what is “Great” or “Unlimited” in a biblical sense. So what you think is great or unlimited power as a Muslim may be different from my view. Thats why I asked you for something specific. But since you have nothing specific in mind I will answer from a biblical perspective.

      Jesus did things that the OT says only God can do.

      Jesus walked on the water, only God walks on the water. “He alone stretches out the heavens
      and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:7

      That is a very great power, and since only God can do it and God is unlimited it is also an unlimited power, as he can do it any time he pleases.

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    • “Jesus did things that the OT says only God can do.
      Jesus walked on the water, only God walks on the water.’

      LOL have you ever heard of a dude named Peter?

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    • Paul that would be all of the above. Obviously. Really man please try to keep up or remain silent to let the other kids learn. I can get you a special tutor later.

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    • so if you agree to all the aforementioned list let us focus on one: 5)

      ‘Jesus set aside his divine attributes’.

      Which of God’s attributes (in your theology) did he set aside when he become a man – was it his:

      1) omniscience?

      2) omnipotence?

      3) immortality?

      4) his eternal nature?

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    • Paul dude did you ever hear that Peter sank like a stone an said “LORD SAVE ME” becasue he took his eyes off of Christ. Really man have some self control and remain silent.

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    • I thought the gospels said Peter walked on water too:

      ‘Peter went over the side of the boat and *walked on the water* toward Jesus. But when he saw the strong wind and the waves, he was terrified and began to sink.’

      So you must worship Peter because ONLY God can walk on water. You have proved that.

      btw there is no mention in the passage that “he took his eyes off of Christ” – you just made that up.

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    • YAh Paul you really need to read the material before you raise your hand in my class
      “But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!””

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    • but he was walking on water BEFORE he said that. You have proved brilliantly from the Bible:

      ‘Jesus did things that the OT says only God can do.
      Jesus walked on the water, only God walks on the water. “He alone stretches out the heavens
      and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:7
      That is a very great power, and since only God can do it and God is unlimited it is also an unlimited power, as he can do it any time he pleases.’

      AND

      “Peter went over the side of the boat and walked on the water toward Jesus”

      Hail Peter the God of Robert!

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    • So attempting to do something and then failing to do something means you actually did it. YAh I guess Maybe its because I’m a Christian, or maybe its because I’m an American, or maybe a little of both. But I have a higher standard of what it means to actually do a thing then you.

      Really Jesus walks on water of his own power and commands Peter to come and do the same, Peter attempts to walk to Jesus and then looses faith and begins to sink and cries out for Jesus to save him. ANd you equate that with actually doing what Jesus did on his own.

      Yah like I said I just have a higher standard.

      Anyway Kmac you got anything else?

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    • Bobby looses argument. Not man enough to admit it.

      He claimed:

      “Jesus walked on the water, only God walks on the water.”

      His own Bible states:

      “Peter went over the side of the boat and walked on the water toward Jesus”

      Robert must now worship Peter as his God.

      Robert is not very good at debating with Muslims.

      CRASH AND BURN

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    • That’s right. Jesus walked on water. You insist only God can do that. Jesus said that a person with a mustard’s weight of faith can move mountains and that nothing would be impossible for him. Matthew 17.20. So if nothing is impossible for a person of faith, then he can also walk on water. Will you consider such a person God? Also, to what extent was Jesus’ walking on water due to his immense faith rather than divinity?

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    • Excellent points Kmak. I fear Bobby has run away. He is out of his league.

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    • LOL yah Paul. You remind me of a guy who got fired at a contract I worked.

      He had ONE job, just one. To test applications installs on web servers. He only had to make sure they installed. Did not have test functionality just if they installed.

      Well he marked a work order as “Test completed successful”, and come patch Wednesday everyone gets a call at 3 am, saying the applications failed to install on several hundred web serves.

      Turns out he ran the test, the applications all failed to install but in his mind it was a successful test because he successfully ran the test.

      The guy is a legend, his screw up is literally in a text book on problem management.

      Thats who you remind me of lol.

      Failures are not successes.

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    • a silly non-refutation of my point.

      Like I said, it takes a man to admit he is in the wrong. You have failed the test.

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    • Kmak wrote…

      “That’s right. Jesus walked on water. You insist only God can do that. Jesus said that a person with a mustard’s weight of faith can move mountains and that nothing would be impossible for him. Matthew 17.20. So if nothing is impossible for a person of faith, then he can also walk on water. Will you consider such a person God? Also, to what extent was Jesus’ walking on water due to his immense faith rather than divinity?”

      My response: Yes as I proved only God walks on water, as Paul Williams pointed out Peter tried and failed(I know he thinks failure is a success, all I can say is I hope you have higher standards then Paul)

      So now the question is faith. If you have FAITH. What kind of faith and faith in what? Faith in yourself? That just leads to disaster. Faith in God? Yes absolutely, faith in God leads to miraculous things. As Peter demonstrated he had faith but then lost it, he failed and had to call on Jesus to save him.

      Jesus on the other hand walked on water on his own. by his own will by his own power because he is God, where as men like Peter try to do things on their own and with out God they fail.

      So no a man who does things by faith in God is not God since he is doing those things in faith of God.

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    • Sorry where did you prove only God walks on water? The passage from Job has to be understood within light of the fact it is allegory unless you want to say that God has feet? Interestingly neither Mark nor Matthew refer to this text when Jesus is performing the miracle as they do with many other incidents.

      You imply that Peter managed to walk on water due to faith in God because faith leads to miraculous things but then say that Jesus walked by his own will and power because he is God? That is begging the question that Jesus is God which you have thus far not provided any argument for as Kmak pointed out.

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    • That’s right: So now the question is faith. If you have FAITH. What kind of faith and faith in what? Faith in yourself? That just leads to disaster. Faith in God? Yes absolutely, faith in God leads to miraculous things. As Peter demonstrated he had faith but then lost it, he failed and had to call on Jesus to save him.

      So as long as one has strong faith he will be able to walk on water. Peter wavered in his faith so he slipped.

      That’s right: Jesus on the other hand walked on water on his own. by his own will by his own power because he is God, where as men like Peter try to do things on their own and with out God they fail.

      This presumes Jesus was God. If strong faith is all it takes, then Jesus was able to walk on water due to simply being strong in faith. Why is it more reasonable to believe that walking on water necessitates divinity especially since Jesus himself didn’t think one needs to be divine to be able to perform even greater miraculous feats such as moving mountains?

      Let’s say two people are able to genuinely walk on water. Would both be Gods to you?

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    • Kmak wrote…

      “his presumes Jesus was God. If strong faith is all it takes, then Jesus was able to walk on water due to simply being strong in faith. Why is it more reasonable to believe that walking on water necessitates divinity especially since Jesus himself didn’t think one needs to be divine to be able to perform even greater miraculous feats such as moving mountains?

      Let’s say two people are able to genuinely walk on water. Would both be Gods to you?”

      My response: No it does not “presume” instead it PROVES since 1. Only God walks on water. 2. Only Jesus walked on water. 3 It was by the “command” of Jesus, and faith in him that Peter was able to attempt to walk on water and it was demonstrated that a loss in faith in Christ meant that Peter started to sink like a stone and had to call out “LORD SAVE ME”.

      Your question: “Let’s say two people are able to genuinely walk on water. Would both be Gods to you?” is non sensical since as I have proven only GOD walks on water, so there would not be “Two” three would be only one and that one is God.

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    • Patrice wrote…”The passage from Job has to be understood within light of the fact it is allegory unless you want to say that God has feet? ”

      My response yes Jesus had feet.

      Patrice please I know your late in joining the class but please try and catch up

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    • That’s right: Only God walks on water… It was by the “command” of Jesus, and faith in him that Peter was able to attempt to walk on water

      That’s a contradiction. If only God can walk on water then Peter couldn’t have walked on water. However, Peter was able to walk on water through faith. Therefore, it is not necessary that one has to be God in order to be able to walk on water. Once again, all it takes is faith unless you say Jesus was the exception in which case you are special pleading.

      Now let me ask you another question. If a person is able to walk on water, why should I assume that he is God as opposed to a really powerful demon? Heck, if Satan could pick up Jesus and put him on top of the highest mountain, what’s stopping him from walking on water?

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    • Kmak wrote….” Peter couldn’t have walked on water. ”

      My response: And Peter didn’t walk on water, he SANK lol

      Seriously how are you not getting this.

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    • Your argument is that God only walks on water and then since Jesus walked on water therefore Jesus is God. However Peter also was able to walk on water by having faith. You assume that Jesus does this by his own command however there is no mention of this in the story. Where does Jesus say that he does his miracles by his own power and authority? This is the heart of the matter and needs answering.

      In your response to me you say that Jesus had feet, i can only say in response that the Bible says that God is not a man and does not possess human attributes:

      God is not a human being, that he should lie,
      or a mortal, that he should change his mind.
      Has he promised, and will he not do it?
      Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? – Numbers 31:19 NRSV

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    • Does Jesus do miracles by his own power? According to the Bible No.

      Acts 2:22 Peter says:

      “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

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    • That’s right: My response: And Peter didn’t walk on water, he SANK lol. Seriously how are you not getting this.

      He sank because his faith wavered. Unwavering faith equals ability to walk on water without sinking, lol. Seriously how are you not getting this?

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    • Patrice wrote… “However Peter also was able to walk on water by having faith.”

      NO he didn’t HE SANK. Sinking is not the same as WALKING. How are you guys not getting this. Really this isn’t that difficult a concept.

      If you sink you have to swim or drown. If you walk on water you niether sink no do you swim and you definitely wont drown.

      It has to be supernatural, this has to be God saying “You are not my people, I will not let you understand, I will not let you believe for as the word of God said “they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'”

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    • Bobby you deliberately ignore what the gospel says: before he sank, Peter actually walked on the water. Why are you so dishonest?

      “Peter went over the side of the boat and walked on the water toward Jesus”

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    • He said, “Come.” So Peter got out of the boat, started walking on the water, and came toward Jesus. But when he noticed the strong wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!” – Matthew 14:29-30

      Dude i have to thank you i’ve never seen a teacher fail their own class! 😉

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    • Bobby just doesn’t agree with his own Bible!

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    • I imagine the Bible will have to seek a chiropractor considering how many contortions it has been forced to make today by Mr Bobby!

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  6. D says

    “What would he have said about mohammed flying up to heaven on a winged beast and having a chat with moses and allah? Or the idea of the moon being split? Or investigating murder cases by reviving dead victims by slapping them with a piece of flank steak?”

    He would have said there is nothing self contradictory or inconsistent about these statements.

    Let me give you another opinion by one of the greatest logicians of the last century, Kurt Godel:

    “I like Islam, it is a consistent idea of religion and open-minded.”

    As quoted in A Logical Journey: From Gödel to Philosophy (1996) by Hao Wang

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    • burhanuddin1

      Speaking of the opinions of famous people…..

      “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

      …and…

      “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”

      ADOLF HITLER

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    • D
      you seem a bit confused. The topic is consistency – can you supply a major contemporary mathematician/ logician who supports the consistency of the trinitarian philosophy?

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “you seem a bit confused. The topic is consistency – can you supply a major contemporary mathematician/ logician who supports the consistency of the trinitarian philosophy?”

      You’d have to show me some evidence that Godel was qualified to assess the theological and doctrinal merits of islam, or even that he had done any meaningful study of the faith.

      This is a clear example of how islam rots the brain and makes muslims easily lead and gullible. Just as you follow the guidance of expert clerics into suicide bombings, you follow any authority as long as they seem to support your irrational religion. Stop looking for the experts to tell you what to think and start thinking for yourself.

      My guess is that you copy-pasted that quote from some islam apologist site, but didn’t bother checking the wikipedia page it was taken from. If you did, you would have read that Godel read his bible every night – not the quran – and believed in a personal god, not the unattainable, transcendent god of islam.

      Try again, but this time, do yourself a favour and think before you type.

      Eid al Mubarak and have a nice day.

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    • So you cannot supply a major contemporary mathematician/ logician who supports the consistency of the trinitarian philosophy?

      Surprise: No

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “So you cannot supply a major contemporary mathematician/ logician who supports the consistency of the trinitarian philosophy?

      Surprise: No”

      Can you show any evidence that any of these authorities have studied islam in any depth? Or can read arabic?

      Surprise: No.

      Like I said, think before you type – not everyone is as gullible as the muslims you are used to preaching to.

      And, it is a measure of islam’s lack of substance that you have to look to atheist to provide the logic and reasoning for you. LOL!!!

      Poor burhanudder1

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  7. “Jesus on the other hand walked on water on his own. by his own will *by his own power*because he is God, where as men like Peter try to do things on their own and with out God they fail.”

    nope Jesus the man didn’t walk on water by his *own power*…God gave the man Jesus the power to do his miracles…😉

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  8. Preforming miracles doesn’t make Jesus Chrst the man God..even false Christs will perform great miracles😊

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  9. I don’t understand how He could simply speak and create the universe. (As God, He hasn’t seen fit to explain it to me, yet.) I don’t understand how the physical universe emerged from Spirit. I don’t get how our local thermonuclear reactor warps time and space and fuses 200,000,000 tons of hydrogen per second while its light warms our oceans and feeds Juno as it flirts with Jupiter one half billion miles away with enough energy to run its equipment for the next 2 years, taking 43 minutes to arrive.

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  10. That’s right says
    Jesus is “a human being who had both natures divine and human.”

    You seem terribly confused. Jesus’ “being a human” is identical to “his human nature”.

    Or is there anything else HUMAN in “Jesus the human being” apart from his human nature?

    You are saying Jesus is a human being who had a divine nature. Orthodox? LOL.

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  11. Thats right says:

    “AGAIN we DO not divide the natures.”

    Really? Only if you have to come up with another creative fairytale. In fact you do it ALL the time.

    “But of that day and hour no one knows neither the angels in heaven nor the Son but only the Father.’ We are not to think that the Son of God as he is God did not know the day or hour but only that his human nature did not know it because his divine nature had not chosen to reveal it to his human nature.”
    ― John Owen, The Holy Spirit

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  12. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.…

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