Agree. Islam will never accept seperation of mosque and state so will never fit into a modern western country hence the ongoing problems with religious Muslims
LOL No so Paulus. Muslims fit in fine in London where I live. The shariah is clear that of we live in non-Muslim countries we must respect the law of the land and be good citizens. We have a Muslim mayor! Only bigots like yourself wish to stir up hatred and civil strife against European and American citizens who are Muslim.
the two are quite compatible. Muslims have rules to do with inheritance and divorce which need to be settled according to the shariah. This is perfectly acceptable in a multicultural society like the UK.
But Sharia is not the law of the land. Remember you said Muslims are to “we must respect the law of the land”. Doesn’t sound like you are respecting the law of the land if you are trying to have a separate law for Muslims
Muslims are not trying to have a “separate law”. The law of the land permits Muslims to arrange their own inheritance matters and divorce maters according to their own religious rules. Only a bigot would object to that.
We have to accept that we live in a secular society that sometimes does things we disagree with.
Putting your ad-hom attack aside, you didn’t even come close to addressing the points. I will repeat them…
1. I believe that Gay Marriage is the “Law of the Land” in the UK. How is Sharia compatible with that law?
2. I believe that a husband physically disciplining his wife is against the law of the land in the UK so how sharia compatible with that law?
3. I believe that monogamy is the law of the land in the UK so how is Sharia law compatible with that law?
Second their are Sharia courts, that would be a separate judiciary and separate law for Muslims. So yes you are establishing a separate civil legal system. So how are you respecting the law of the land if you not only reject it, but establish your own civil legal system.
My being a Christian or not has nothing to do with Muslim sharia law, and your claim that Sharia was “quite compatible” with UK law. But if it makes you feel better, yes I am a Christian.
Getting back to the topic, from your last statement. Sharia law is not compatible with UK law when it comes to point 1 and 3, and when it comes to point 2, UK law is incompatible with the “Many interpretations of the shariah” that call for actual physical discipline that being striking ones wife.
So in light of these startling admissions on your part, it would seem that you previous statement that Sharia and UK law being “quite compatible” was erroneous at best, if not patently dishonest .
Well if it wasn’t dishonest it was erroneous then?
No “gay marriage” is not compatible with Gods law. But I never made the claim as you did that Gods laws(in my case) are compatible with UK or US laws, as you did with Sharia law.
“LOL No so Paulus. Muslims fit in fine in London where I live. ”
As long as you don’t drink alcohol near the mosque or eat and drink openly during Ramadan, for example, or dress in the wrong way as a woman. Or don’t walk hand in hand as a male couple. The list of does and donts for non Muslims goes on and on.
Madmanna the only way Sharia, even its “mild” non head and hand chopping, no stoning adulterous or killing apostate version could be “quite compatible” is if you ignore some or all of one or the other.
That’s not the reality but it would be good if it was like that. There is nothing wrong with that from a Christian point of view. Even not drinking alcohol is understandable.
If I may, no-Sharia Law is not entirely compatible with secular UK laws. However, this doesn’t mean Muslims can’t live in secular countries like the UK.
Point 5 sounds good to me.
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Agree. Islam will never accept seperation of mosque and state so will never fit into a modern western country hence the ongoing problems with religious Muslims
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LOL No so Paulus. Muslims fit in fine in London where I live. The shariah is clear that of we live in non-Muslim countries we must respect the law of the land and be good citizens. We have a Muslim mayor! Only bigots like yourself wish to stir up hatred and civil strife against European and American citizens who are Muslim.
Despicable.
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Paulus, what ongoing problemd with religious Muslims?
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Paulus doesn’t like to defend his claims. Most bigots are like that.
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If you’re to respect the law of the land as you say then why the want and need for Sharia courts in the UK?
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the two are quite compatible. Muslims have rules to do with inheritance and divorce which need to be settled according to the shariah. This is perfectly acceptable in a multicultural society like the UK.
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But Sharia is not the law of the land. Remember you said Muslims are to “we must respect the law of the land”. Doesn’t sound like you are respecting the law of the land if you are trying to have a separate law for Muslims
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Another few points.
1. I believe that Gay Marriage is the “Law of the Land” in the UK. How is Sharia compatible with that law?
2. I believe that a husband physically disciplining his wife is against the law of the land in the UK so how sharia compatible with that law?
3. I believe that monogamy is the law of the land in the UK so how is Sharia law compatible with that law?
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sounds like you a bit of an Islamophobe.
Muslims are not trying to have a “separate law”. The law of the land permits Muslims to arrange their own inheritance matters and divorce maters according to their own religious rules. Only a bigot would object to that.
We have to accept that we live in a secular society that sometimes does things we disagree with.
Tell me, are you a Christian?
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Putting your ad-hom attack aside, you didn’t even come close to addressing the points. I will repeat them…
1. I believe that Gay Marriage is the “Law of the Land” in the UK. How is Sharia compatible with that law?
2. I believe that a husband physically disciplining his wife is against the law of the land in the UK so how sharia compatible with that law?
3. I believe that monogamy is the law of the land in the UK so how is Sharia law compatible with that law?
Second their are Sharia courts, that would be a separate judiciary and separate law for Muslims. So yes you are establishing a separate civil legal system. So how are you respecting the law of the land if you not only reject it, but establish your own civil legal system.
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1) sharia of course does not accept gay marriage. So what? You have a problem with that? We UK muslims accept we do not live in an Islamic society.
2) depends wha you mean by ‘physically disciplining’. Many interpretations of the shariah suggest a purely symbolic action in this instance.
3) The Quran of course permits a man to marry more than 1 wife with certain caveats. As this is not legally permissible in the UK we cannot do it.
British law (unlike you) has no problem with shariah courts operating in the UK dealing with divorce and inheritance.
You cannot get it into your head how one can respect the law of the land which accepts Muslims doing this. I see no issue.
Other religious communities do the same thing. But as a bigot you only target Muslims. Typical.
Your problem is in your head.
You failed to tell me if you are a Christian. Got something to hide?
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My being a Christian or not has nothing to do with Muslim sharia law, and your claim that Sharia was “quite compatible” with UK law. But if it makes you feel better, yes I am a Christian.
Getting back to the topic, from your last statement. Sharia law is not compatible with UK law when it comes to point 1 and 3, and when it comes to point 2, UK law is incompatible with the “Many interpretations of the shariah” that call for actual physical discipline that being striking ones wife.
So in light of these startling admissions on your part, it would seem that you previous statement that Sharia and UK law being “quite compatible” was erroneous at best, if not patently dishonest .
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No it is not dishonest in the slightest.
Now tell me:
as a Christian is gay marriage in accordance with God’s law or not?
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Well if it wasn’t dishonest it was erroneous then?
No “gay marriage” is not compatible with Gods law. But I never made the claim as you did that Gods laws(in my case) are compatible with UK or US laws, as you did with Sharia law.
Which you have now proven is not the case.
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It is not proven in the slightest.
So your religious laws are in conflict with American and UK law.
Which comes first God or man made law?
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UK law says that “Gay Marriage” A OK. Sharia law says its HARAM. Please explain how these two laws are compatible if they disagree with each other?
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Paul where did u go? Did u give up defending the indefensible position that Sharia law and UK are ” quite compatible”
Really interested in hearing how the laws of man are compatible with the laws of Allah?
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“LOL No so Paulus. Muslims fit in fine in London where I live. ”
As long as you don’t drink alcohol near the mosque or eat and drink openly during Ramadan, for example, or dress in the wrong way as a woman. Or don’t walk hand in hand as a male couple. The list of does and donts for non Muslims goes on and on.
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Madmanna the only way Sharia, even its “mild” non head and hand chopping, no stoning adulterous or killing apostate version could be “quite compatible” is if you ignore some or all of one or the other.
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you obviously know nothing about London and its people. You say such silly things.
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That’s not the reality but it would be good if it was like that. There is nothing wrong with that from a Christian point of view. Even not drinking alcohol is understandable.
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If I may, no-Sharia Law is not entirely compatible with secular UK laws. However, this doesn’t mean Muslims can’t live in secular countries like the UK.
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