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  1. The music in that clip is annoying.

    Watch and listen to the whole sermon here. “We will not bow down” by John MacArthur.
    You can also read the transcript of the sermon at the link I provide here.


    “This nation, at its highest level [ the Supreme Court, and the liberal Democrats like President Obama and Hillary Clinton and those that agree with them] , has taken a position against God. Such blasphemous rebellion is energized—it is energized by the corruption of the collection of sinful hearts, which make up this nation or any nation. There’s no question about that. But behind that collection of sinful, corrupt, human hearts—that make this kind of thing possible and acceptable—is the realm of Satan and demons. The Bible says Satan holds the whole world in his hands; the whole world lies in the lap of the evil one.

    God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and the Bible, and the church, and truth are the enemies of Satan. And Satan rules the world. He rules the world of sinners. And he has his power in high places. He is the ruler of the kingdom of darkness, and he hates and seeks to destroy all that is light, all that is truth, all that is pure, all that is holy, all that is virtuous, and all that is good.” John MacArthur
    [my comment in brackets added]


  2. Since you think that was awesome, and I hope many listened to the whole sermon.

    Here is a very interesting interview with John MacArthur by the Sat-7 Arabic TV station.

    The Arabic speaking interviewer asks him some very pointed questions.


  3. The sign is Arabic says, “God is Love”. الله محبه


  4. Scholarly believing response to Ehrman and James D. G. Dunn arguments (and other liberal and cultic attacks on the Deity of Christ and the Trinity). The book refutes Dunn in chapter 7, interacting with his writings extensively.


  5. How do you explain how he believes in the Deity of Christ and the Trinity, given the statements he makes (that you use all the time) that undermine those doctrines as true and historical from the earliest gospel traditions. (synoptics, etc.) ??


    • You ask him dude. It’s a classic case of having your cake and eating it. He knows the historical problems with orthodox belief. But he believes anyway. He has a great deal more integrity than you and your fellow fundamentalists would are always attacking him – a fellow believer!


  6. For example, this one you used just recently, proves he really does not really believe in the Deity of Christ as objectively true from history and the beginning of Christ’s life.


    How do you explain how he can hold 2 contradictory ideas at the same time in his heart and mind?


    • Good point. I do not explain it. But I realise that many evangelical Christians are forced by the texts to change their views over time. Many like Dunn still hold onto their theology though.

      Some like me leaving the sinking ship and embrace Islam.


    • “Good point” – thanks for that. Though Islam is even more broken and sinking. Liberalism and free thinking has not been allowed in the Muslim world for centuries, but with the internet and more access to study for those willing to look and research, liberalism will also sink Islam, along with the violence of the terrorists and the civil war within the house of Islam as to how to deal with ancient texts in the modern world that seem to contradict each other.


    • Classical Islam is not broken at all. The Quran and Sunnah remain intact. I see no comparable thread to Islam that I have seen with your faith. Islam is much more robust – it is also protected by God.


    • Why does Allah allow all the killing and violence of Muslim vs. Muslim for centuries? (especially Sunni vs. Shiite) ? Wahabi vs. Sufi, etc. ?


  7. “He believes anyway”

    Doesn’t that show that he really doesn’t believe?


  8. “great deal more integrity” – no; if he had consistent integrity he would go all the way like Ehrman and become an agnostic or atheist.


    • Perhaps. But it is a shame that evangelical belief cannot survive a critical busty rival approach to the Bible

      Just think of the massive historical problems with John’s gospel. Top evangelical historian Craig Evans has said some very important things about it which I completely agree with.


  9. “having your cake and eating it”

    Yes, I agree with you on that. Same with Raymond Brown. Geza Vermes accused R. Brown of that and I agree.


  10. Evangelical belief does survive in true believers; and is vibrant today in healthy churches. See the 4 kinds of soils in Jesus’ parable of the soils and the Sower. 3 of them are responses to the Word, one – the devil comes and snatches the word away from them; 2 soils are false believers. One kind survives.

    Luke 8, Matthew 13, Mark 4


    • The problem is that historical investigation suggests Jesus did NOT think he was God. This is the consensus of critical scholarship.

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    • No; He clearly did – Mark 14:60-64;

      And He affirmed substitutionary atonement for forgiveness of sins
      Mark 10:45 (substitutionary atonement), Luke 24:46-47

      which Islam also affirms in a way that they could not help but to, by Surah 37:107


    • No Ken. He did not claim to be God. Wishful thinking. Your reading of these verses in Mark does not support your view. I see why you want them to do so though. I did once too.


    • He said yes to being God by nature, His only Son, and the Messiah, and the Jewish leadership understood His claim and then proclaimed Him guilty of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God; ie, God by nature/ essence.


    • both Jesus and the Jewish leadership knew God the Father has a Son who is eternal and is the same nature as Himself – Proverbs 30:4 – “What is His name?; and What is His Son’s name?”

      Also Psalm 2:1-12 demonstrate this.


    • Ken I’m familiar with evangelical apologetics. I’m also familiar with critical scholarship which you reject out of hand (that makes you a fundy). Real scholarship has a very different understanding of that passage. Go, read, learn, educate yourself.

      If you dare.


    • And John MacArthur is an “Awesome preacher” according to you; also a “fundamentalist” (believing in the fundamental, foundational truths of the Christian faith.


    • of course. I was not endorsing his religious errors but the good things he said in the video.


  11. All four are responses, 3 of them are different kinds of unbelief.


  12. The good things he said are based on the Scriptures, which teach the historical and truths of God, the Deity of Christ, the atonement of Christ, the resurrection of Christ, and the doctrine of the Trinity.


  13. Ken Temple

    You said;

    Ken Temple

    July 20, 2016 • 5:03 pm

    both Jesus and the Jewish leadership knew God the Father has a Son who is eternal and is the same nature as Himself – Proverbs 30:4 – “What is His name?; and What is His Son’s name?”

    Also Psalm 2:1-12 demonstrate this.

    I say;
    I so, then why did the Jews want to kill and killed the Son of God who is eternal and is the same nature as Himself? Why will the Jews kill their God?

    Besides, Paul Williams said scholars did not believe Jesus thought he was God. Not what the Jews thought about him. We want it from the horses own mouth like how Yahweh keep saying “I am God”, “I am one”, “I am the only and alone God” etc. all over the Bible and Jesus himself saying clearly “My God” referring to someone who is not him.

    Jesus said “the only true God who sent me” again distinguishing himself from the only true God. If Jesus is God Man he would have said

    -to the God Man who the Father has sent
    -to the second person of the Trinity who is also the same God as the Father

    Jesus never ever said what Trinitarians are putting into his mouth, and they will go and refer to what Jews think.

    It is just like believing what a killer thinks about his victim. You believed a killer thinks he is killing God. You believed what that killer thinks but not what comes out from the one being killed.

    You believed in the thoughts of some Jews and they killed God anyway. If they thought he is God why will they kill God? They did not believe he is God.



    • Intellect:
      use your intellect a little more.

      The Jewish leaders asked Jesus, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of God?” Jesus said, “yes, I am”
      and they condemned Him to die because of blasphemy.

      Mark 14:60-64
      Matthew 26:63-66

      Their question shows that they understood from the OT that the Messiah would also be the Son of God.
      Proverbs 30:4 and Psalm 2:1-12

      But I never said that they (the Jewish leaders) believed that Jesus was that person (Messiah and Son of God); but their question proves that they thought there is somebody that will come who would be Messiah and Son of God.

      and, to refute Paul’s point, Jesus Himself believed He was the Messiah and Son of God, since He said yes to their question.


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