Unbelievable

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  1. The photo is misleading because the guy is NOT reading J. I. Packer, so he is not turning up his nose at that book.

    A Great book by J. I. Packer
    I recommend it.

    The quote is on page 53.
    God the Son became a baby, yes. that is amazing love and no human could have come up with the whole revelation of all of it together.

    but you should read the entire book before you judge one or two statements.

    https://www.amazon.com/Knowing-God-J-I-Packer/dp/083081650X

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    • Ken Temple

      To say God became Son/son baby and staring people and helpless is not love for God but insult to God and also blaspheme.

      Psalm 147:5, NIV
      Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.
      Job 9:4, NLT For God is so wise and so mighty.

      Job 26:14, NLT These are just the beginning of all that he does, merely a whisper of his power. Who, then, can comprehend the thunder of his power?

      Psalm 145:3, ESV Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised, and his greatness is unsearchable.

      Any baby who shits on hi diaper and his mother cleanse it like Jesus Christ is not God. A mighty and powerful God is not like that. The Quran says those who says that is as if the world is going to tremble asunder. It is an insult to God but not love. What love is that.

      Turning a man into pig which is impossible anyway and eating worms in decomposed human excreta is love for your pigs? Instead of cleaning them and providing them with good foods? Most pig owners who love their pigs will rather clean their pigs and provide good food for them than becoming pigs themselves. Some people will not like to be called pig or monkey, They consider it insult. How will you call a man or helpless baby God and say it is love?

      It is not love and God will not like that and He is said in the Bible God is not a man.

      Thanks.

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  2. All of those verses are true “Intellect”. God is all powerful. Why are you afraid of the way God created our bodies? Did you know God created the bowel system and urinary system of getting rid of waste? Think about that . . . God came up with the whole idea of how the body gets rid of waste.

    The Son became a baby, but the Father did not become a baby. See John 17 – Jesus prays to the Father in heaven. Nothing is lost; no power, not Almightiness, by the Son becoming a baby and a human for 33 years and humbling Himself, allowing unjust sinners to kill Him, and then rise from the dead in power.

    Jesus rose from the dead in POWER, and ascended to heaven in POWER and sits at the right hand of the Father in POWER.

    God is Almighty,

    Yes it was love for the Son to become a baby and experience all our human experiences.

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  3. English Standard Version
    God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

    Again, from the jump, I admit that I am horrible when it comes to Trinitarian logic, but I swear this verse is saying:

    1) God is not man. Nor is he
    2) A Son of man.

    The Bible said it right to your face that God is not man. Not that God is not man though he will be in the near future. The Bible also states that God is not a son of man. I know, I know, I’m just proof texting and if I only read the Bible in context I would see the errors of my heretical ways.

    My Spidey sense are tingling and they call BS.

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    • New International Version
      “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!

      Seems self explanatory to me.

      Or

      New International Version
      God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth

      The scriptures actually say God is a spirit.

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  4. True that God is not a man. God was never a man in eternity past nor in His essential nature, etc.
    The passage in Numbers 23:19 means that God’s eternal nature is not human. The Father is not human; and the Holy Spirit is not human; and Jesus’ Divine Nature is not human either.

    That is different than saying that later the Second person of the Trinity, the Son, the Word, became a man.
    Jesus added a human nature later, much later, after Numbers 23:19 was revealed, about 1400 years later.

    the second person of the Trinity, the Son, became a man in time – from around 4 BC to 30 AD.

    He rose from the dead, etc.

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    • Ken Temple

      True that God is not a man. God was never a man in eternity past nor in His essential nature, etc.
      The passage in Numbers 23:19 means that God’s eternal nature is not human. The Father is not human; and the Holy Spirit is not human; and Jesus’ Divine Nature is not human either.

      I say;
      The verse did not say ” God’s eternal nature is not human. The Father is not human; and the Holy Spirit is not human; and Jesus’ Divine Nature is not human either.”

      Ken, Ken, Ken you are really bullying us as the Trinitarian kept bullying people thousands of years ago till today.

      This is what the verse clearly said;
      English Standard Version
      God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

      Ken, the verse did not mention Father, nature, Holy Spirit, Jesus, divine nature, human nature and all the Bull Shit Trinitarians keep adding to the word of God.

      You have added your wish to the word of God and that is under the influence of Satan I am afraid.

      Why are you doing that?

      You said;
      The Son became a baby, but the Father did not become a baby. See John 17 – Jesus prays to the Father in heaven. Nothing is lost; no power, not Almightiness, by the Son becoming a baby and a human for 33 years and humbling Himself, allowing unjust sinners to kill Him, and then rise from the dead in power.

      I say;
      God said He is 1, Only and Alone clearly in the Bible. How can one part of God become man and the other part remain divine if God is 1? Nobody believed God Man at the same time which is impossibility except Trinitarians again.

      How do you know God did not reveal Himself to Hindus as a Hindu God at one point in time?

      -Dr. Shabbir Ally

      Thanks.

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    • “Intellect”
      Your demand for exact words is such an uneducated and un-intelligent characteristic.
      Also, using the word, “Bull-s–t” is sin, since that is a bad word. Does Islam have any rules agaisnt dirty talking and cursing?

      we have verses against that kind of thing- Ephesians 4:29 and 5:3-11

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    • Ken Temple

      I am very sorry for using the B word. Very sorry. I am just frustrated how can 100% God and 100% man can be a possibility and it is not in the Bible. Forgive me for the B word.

      Thanks.

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    • Thanks.
      It is in the Bible, you just have to read all of it. Have you ever read all the through starting in Matthew 1:1 and going straight through to Revelation chapter 22 ?

      I have read the Qur’an straight through, so I challenge all Muslims to read the New Testament straight through instead of reading a verse here and there from Islamic web-sites that criticize the New Testament and Bible.

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    • I’ve read the NT through many times.

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    • Good for you; but, you are all the more accountable for rejecting it’s message.

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    • i accept the monotheism as taught by Moses and Jesus. It is you who reject their message.

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    • You don’t accept the New Testament’s message that Jesus is the eternal Son of God who became man and lived and taught the truth and was crucified, dead, buried, and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
      Mark 10:45
      Luke 24:44-47
      Luke 22:19-20
      Mark 14:60-64
      Matthew 20:28
      Matthew 28:18-20
      John 1:1-18
      John 20:28
      John 8:56-58
      Matthew 14:33

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    • Ken Temple

      You cannot give me where in the Bible it said Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. It is an impossibility that is why you cannot find it in the Bible. You have been quoting verses from the Bible but you cannot find this one. It is unbelievable.

      Thanks

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  5. Ken,

    Question if “Gods eternal nature is not human” then how does Jesus human nature share in the divine nature of the Godhead? How do they or could they coexist? You define God as F/S/HS but you would be hard pressed to find a single scripture that defines God in that way! On the contrary, God is defined as “one” God;it’s your post Biblical Trinitarian theology that you smuggle back into the concept of God. It’s called anachronistic Trinitarian Eisegesis. You guys simply redefined God (e.g. the various councils) and then took that post Apostolic anti Biblical definition and perverted the clear definition of God. So every time a Trinitarian see’s the word God in scripture he interprets God to means F/S/HS. What an amazing magic trick! Unfortunately for you and your ilk, true Christian have never been fooled and as the end times come to a close you will only see more and more Trinitarians embrace the sound and true doctrine of Biblical Unitarianism! It’s already happening the ruse is up.

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  6. Thing is whether you believe Jesus was God or not, according to the Quran he did non of those things mentioned in the picture.
    According to the Quran Jesus was strengthened by the Holy Spirit at birth, spoke in the cradle at birth also to bare witness to God and created birds out of clay when he was just a toddler.

    I’m pretty sure he wasn’t helpless, nor did he lie, stare, wiggle or make noises. I mean according to the Quran his voice box was already fully functioning at birth, and he is also called a pure boy so can’t imagine him lying or commiting any sins whether major or minor. He must not then have acted as other ordinary babies act since he was set apart from the rest by God.

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  7. How do you know God did not reveal Himself to Hindus as a Hindu God at one point in time?

    Because the Bible demonstrates that would be false. That is too easy, as the whole Hindu religion is a false religion.

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    • Ken Temple

      You do not have proof. You only use your belief and bullying tactics to call all religion false. You have no proof.

      If God can enter into this world to love as you believe, then He can enter to reveal Himself as a Hindu God just as He revealed Himself to Trinitarians. Trinitarians have no prove to disprove Hindu God as entered into this world except bully and referring the scripture the(Trinitarians) believed.

      Hindu have their scriptures too, and it says their God revealed Himself to them. If it is possible for a Trinitarian come down to love them according to their scripture, then it is possible for Hindu God to come down to love them according to their scripture.

      Ken has no proof except to say his scripture says. Not everyone believe his scripture but he is bullying and forcing it down the throats of everyone as a proof.

      Thanks.

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    • Since their “scriptures” are not anything that is from God; the Hindu religion demonstrates itself to be false. Their ugly paintings of blue gods with elephant trunks and six arms, etc. prove the whole religion is false. Their veneration of cows (and yet many starving people in India), monkeys, snakes, and rats, and multitude of gods, and reincarnation and other practices prove it is a false religion.

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  8. “You define God as F/S/HS but you would be hard pressed to find a single scripture that defines God in that way!”

    Matthew 28:19
    2 Corinthians 13:14
    Matthew 3:13-17
    I Peter 1:1-2
    Ephesians 1:3-14

    All three persons of the Trinity are in these passages.

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    • Ken,

      You seem like a nice enough guy and I don’t doubt your sincerity nor belief in God for one second. I do enjoy your responses/rebuttals especially where it helps clarify what you i.e. Trinitarians believe and corrects any error or false assumptions I may make on my end.

      With that said, I looked up all the Scriptures you supplied to corroborate your claim. In my opinion I find them unconvincing and weak. I find, at least personally, that dealing with Trinitarians is rather draining; literally! No trying to be rude nor is it meant as an insult to you or your beliefs, but it really seems like mental gymnastics and complete eisegesis of any text used to support the doctrine of the Trinity.

      I think I may humbly bow out of these online exchanges for a minute and be a quiet observer as I do love this blog.

      Anyhow, take care Ken and may guide bless and continue to guide you.

      Peace out 🙂

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    • ok; but have you ever read a book that puts all the verses together and why there is a distinction between nature and person? 1 God in substance, and 3 persons. Robert Bowman’s, “Why You Should Believe in the Trinity” is a good book to start with. James White’s “The Forgotten Trinity” also very good.

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    • Ken,

      I read Rob Bowmans book “Why you should believe in the Trinity” when I was around 14 years old. I am 38 now. I do have his latest book putting Jesus in his place and I do plan on reading it soon. (I just got it recently)

      My Born again Aunt on my step Fathers side gave me WYSBITT when I started studying with the JW’s back when I was 14 years old. Of course my Grandmother from my biological Fathers side (confused yet..lol) was an extremely devout Jehovah Witness (actually my Great Grandmother/Father were JW’s back in the mid 30’s) and she always witnessed to me from the Bible (well the NWT..lol) and naturally I gravitated to her position. I admit it, I was groomed to be a Unitarian. Lol

      Though I admit my leanings,I do feel it is the superior and best attested position in scripture! I’m no longer a JW due to certain doctrinal issues I have with them. ( Raymon Franz sealed the deal for me, he was an ex member of the governing body, his uncle was Fred Franz, who was responsible for translating the NWT, or most of it at least. Ray has written two books exposing the WTBTS, Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom, sadly Ray died a few years back, though he remained a Unitarian even after leaving the JW’s)

      Though as you can obviously tell, I haven’t rejected all of the beliefs that JW’s hold. Though in my estimation and belief, Unitarianism predates the Jdubs by millennia!

      I sincerely do try to keep an open mind Ken. I have been wrong before and realize I may be in error about something..lol

      I’m confirmed in my beliefs and while I understand the derision that Trinitarians hold us Unitarians in, and how marginalized we are from the Christian community, to me the scriptures are crystal clear!

      I’m no theologian, philosopher or great thinker, I’m a very average ? dude who is trying his best to seek the truth.

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    • Wow; that was a long time ago that you read Bowman’s book. You are smarter than me; I would not have understood the book at 14 years old. It would be interesting to know if you read it again now at 38 and tell us whether you gained a different understanding that you got then.

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    • Though I do live right down the street from BIOLA, literally 2 miles away. Maybe I should give J P Moreland a holler? Lol

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    • Ken,

      I never said I understood all the subtle points that Bowman made or tried to at least. Lol

      Like I said, I have his book putting Jesus in his place that I just recently got, and I plan on reading it soon.

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    • More explanation of the doctrine of the Trinity along with links to several good books on the issue.
      https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-trinitas-unitas-unitas-trinitas/

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  9. How is telling you about Bible verses and explaining them, “force” ??

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  10. Ken Temple

    You said;

    Ken Temple

    August 24, 2016 • 11:15 pm

    Since their “scriptures” are not anything that is from God; the Hindu religion demonstrates itself to be false. Their ugly paintings of blue gods with elephant trunks and six arms, etc. prove the whole religion is false. Their veneration of cows (and yet many starving people in India), monkeys, snakes, and rats, and multitude of gods, and reincarnation and other practices prove it is a false religion

    I say;
    You worship Jesus a man who shits and eat food. You are more of worshiping false God than the Hindus. All Churches have crosses either painted or erected into them or outside and Trinitarians venerating these wooden structures, paintings, metals, statues, bronze, gold etc. It is similar to Hinduism and Sikhsm and voodooism and all idol worship. Trinitarianism is no different from Hinduism.

    Thanks.

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    • Ken Temple

      Ken Temple

      You said;

      Ken Temple

      August 24, 2016 • 11:15 pm

      Since their “scriptures” are not anything that is from God; the Hindu religion demonstrates itself to be false. Their ugly paintings of blue gods with elephant trunks and six arms, etc. prove the whole religion is false. Their veneration of cows (and yet many starving people in India), monkeys, snakes, and rats, and multitude of gods, and reincarnation and other practices prove it is a false religion

      You said;
      If your God can enter into the world and become a man or God Man or 3 persons 1 God to love you how can’t Hindu God enter into the world and become a man(Sai Baba), cow, monkey, Mormons persons 1 God, Rastafarians God Man(Haile Selaissie), voodoos snake Gods etc. to love them?

      They have their scriptures as well. Do not tell me your scripture says this or that. That will be off topic. I mean they believe what you believed and you are the same i.e. God can enter into the world and take a creation and add it to Himself and love them.

      Ken, you have to watch out. Trinitarians are idol worshipers like the Hindus, Sikhs and voodoos. Unitarian Christians, Muslims and Jews worship only one God of Abraham who is alone and that is not idol worship. We do not believe God can enter into our small space and turn Himself into any creature to love us.

      God loves us and He does not need to come down on earth and turn Himself a creature. That is an insult to God. GOD DOES NOT HAVE TO COME DOWN IN OUR WORLD BEFORE HE CAN LOVE US. God created us in the first place and sends His prophets, angels etc. to help us and he gives us food, partners, scriptures etc. to help us.

      Trinitarians, just like the Greeko-Roman mythologists needs more from God. They want God to be like them before the consider His love. That is expecting too much love from God and it is an insult to God.

      Ken, according to you, your God stayed in a woman’s womb for 9 months and became baby who shits in his diaper and urinated and cannot clean it and you are happy to think that is good love from you to him, so how hypocritical are you to attack someone’s God who is also a cow, man(Sai Baba), monkey, snake etc. for the love their God has for them?

      Thanks.

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  11. The Son of God became a baby; the Father did NOT and the Holy Spirit did NOT.

    You mention Restroom/Bathroom issues again (bowel movements and urination).

    Do you realize that God Himself created the bowels and urinary systems in order to get rid of waste?
    God thought of that.

    No, it is not a problem to us to know that God the Son, the 2nd person of the Trinity became a baby and grew and had to go to the bathroom, etc. – there is no sin in that.

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