Often Christians tell us that God’s justice can only be fully satisfied in order to forgive human beings. Islam by contrast tells us that through repentance of our sins God will forgive us and not even that but also guide us toward forgiveness for those who sincerely desire it.

 …Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

Qur’an 2:37






Categories: Islam

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  1. Islam is not found in the quran.


  2. Trey in what way does your response address the post?

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    • Patrice

      The post claims that islam “tells us” something and then the quran is quoted. Islamic practice is not in the quran – even paul could only come up with a solitary islamic practice in the quran. So, if what muslims practice is islam, and this is not on the quran, then islam is not in the quran.


    • You do know that Islam is not the Qur’an alone? The teachings of the Prophet are also considered authoritative and indeed necessary to interpret the Qur’an.

      Your argument would be more relevant to the ‘Qur’an only’ position.

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    • Does the quran tell muslims to follow Sahih al bukari?


    • The Qur’an says to follow God and his Prophet:

      Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger’s duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. – Qur’an 5:92

      O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination. – Qur’an 4:59

      Say: “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance – Qur’an 24:54

      And whoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger, Allâh shall admit him in the Gardens underneath which rivers flow. – Qur’an 4:13

      And whoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has won a great success – Qur’an 33:71

      And we sent no messenger, but that he should be obeyed by the leave of Allâh – Qur’an 4:64

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    • Who’s the messenger? None of those quotes name mohammed as the messenger.


    • Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah – Qur’an 48:29

      still not answering the point of the post?

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    • Patrice

      Surah 48 was one of the very last revelations sent down and so you have to wonder if it was a later redaction by the writers of the hadith. Surely, allah would have made it clear that mohammed was the messenger from the very beginning?


    • I’m seeing a lot of assertion and very little evidence to back them up. But we will play the game if you wish but i think it is time i asked you a question.

      Where does the Bible say Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity.

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    • isnt it true that Jesus did not preach the doctrine of the trinity?

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    • I’m sure Trey will clear it all up for us no need to worry 😉


    • Patrice

      “I’m seeing a lot of assertion and very little evidence to back them up. But we will play the game if you wish but i think it is time i asked you a question.

      Where does the Bible say Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity.”

      I haven’t asserted anything. Paul can only come up with one thing from the quran that muslims practice, that’s pretty strong evidence.


    • You mean apart from asserting that Surah 48 might be a later redaction by hadith compilers like Imam Bukhari?

      Besides i’ve answered all of your challenges for references about the authority of the Prophet and the command to follow his instruction. Yet you do not answer my question. But of course this has nothing to do with the post. Intellect made a series of very interesting comments with regards to the topic of this post. Care to share your thoughts on those?


    • Patrice

      I suggested that we could wonder whether the sura was a later redaction – hardly an assertion. Regardless, sura 48 was one of the last to be revealed which means that it could have been decades after the first encounter in the cave. That is strange – surely this should have been one of the earliest suras?

      As for intellect, his post is on the verge of being incoherent, so best to ignore what doesn’t make sense.

      As for addressing the post – it makes a huge error in misrepresentation. Christians say that god’s justice is satisfied with the cross, and that forgiveness has been freely given and that repentance is our acceptance of this gift. Whoever wrote the post does not know what they are talking about.

      The muslim view is that allah simply forgives without administering justice – he forgives a repentant murderer without addressing the injustice they have wrought on others.

      So there’s your answer, the post sets up a straw man, and knocks it down with a non-sequitur.

      The problem remains, allah allows injustice to go without redress.


    • One could also suggest that the moon landing was fake or that Elvis is still alive and well or that 9/11 was an inside job, but the point must always rest on whether or not there is any good reason to take such thoughts seriously. No?

      Moving on to the bulk of your response, you say that God is satiated through the death of Christ (a sinless man) for the sake of sinful humanity. This statement contradicts the clear teaching of Jesus who had stated that righteousness can be achieved through repentance (which coincidentally has nothing to do with accepting something but rather turning away from ones past sins and changing their ways).

      Although you say that Intellect doesn’t make any sense, I think he makes a good point, one that any person can relate to which is that forgiveness of sins and administering justice are two different things. Human beings are capable of forgiveness without needing to punish anyone and would reject such an idea as two-faced. One cannot forgive someone after punishing them. The debt has been paid already, its like saying that a convicted criminal released from prison is forgiven after having spent the time they were told to do. Or that a person who is paid their wages should show be grateful. They were given what was due to them. That is justice in short.

      I find it rather interesting that God breaks his own law of ‘you shall not murder’ by glorifying the murder of Jesus. Those who did this inadvertantly caused the salvation of the world. They should declared saints!

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    • Patrice

      False equivalence. If the authority of mohammed was supposed to be of such paramount importance, then why wasn’t it made absolutely clear from the earliest revelations? It’s not as far fetched as claiming fake moon landings, in fact it is completely reasonable.

      Muslims follow the sunnah and the “example” for muslism was only given absolute authority by name in one of the very final revelations that could have been given decades after the first.

      More later…..


  3. Trey

    Quran: Surat Maidah Chapter 5:3

    This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

    Source: http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=3

    Back to topic. It is about Justice and punishment. Islam teaches that forgiveness is free of charge when one sincerely repents. God is the Sovereign commander of everything and forgiveness and Mercy CANCELS, CANCELS, CANCELS, CANCELS Justice and Punishment.

    Where there is justice and punishment at all cost, then there is no forgiveness and mercy at all. Patrice and is it Faiz asked a Christian this question.

    So, the victim of a Christian who murdered him gets his justice from Jesus hanging on the cross and forgiving the murderer?

    The Christian never answered that question and since then no Christian was able to answer the question. Patrice also asked a question and directed it to Christians.

    How about the victim of a Trinitarian who murdered him? Does this non Trinitarian or non Christian gets his justice from Jesus hangings on the cross? and forgiving this Trinitarian murderer?

    The Trinitarian murderer was forgiven but his victim did not get justice and put in the hell fire as well. The victim did not get justice from the Trinitarian God but instead the Trinitarian God forgave the murderer and punishes the victim as well.

    What kind of God is this?


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  4. To kill the innocent instead of the guilty is not just.

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  5. “Islam is not found in the quran.”

    Trey, do you want to be taken seriously?

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  6. Few words, yet great effects.


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