A no-brainer surely?

I’m not an Evangelical (obviously) but I was surprised by this question from Denny Burk, Professor of Biblical Studies at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary


Categories: Christianity

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  1. It seems like you did not read the article.

    If you had read the whole article and what Denny Burk is saying, he totally disagrees with Stan Gundry and the minority who objected to the recent decision that the ETS made, to formally say that those disagree with those 4 points (all against so called “gay marriage” and transgenderism, etc.) see the article.



  2. An excerpt from the article. I cut it to the main issues, because your readers may not have the time or interest in reading the whole thing. But if you want to read the whole thing, I gave you the link.

    “At last year’s meeting Owen Strachan offered a resolution affirming traditional marriage and the sexual binary taught in scripture. These kinds of resolutions are unusual at ETS, but the rationale was that such a resolution might be in order given the extraordinary Obergefell decision handed down by the Supreme Court just months before the annual meeting. I made the motion that the four points of the resolution be taken together and voted up or down. Here are the four points.

    1. We affirm that all persons are created in the image and likeness of God and thus possess inherent dignity and worth.

    2. We affirm that marriage is the covenantal union of one man and one woman, for life.

    3. We affirm that Scripture teaches that sexual intimacy is reserved for marriage as defined above. This excludes all other forms of sexual intimacy.

    4. We affirm that God created men and women, imbued with the distinct traits of manhood and womanhood, and that each is an unchangeable gift of God that constitutes personal identity.

    During the discussion, some members objected to the resolution. There was a motion to table the resolution and to refer it to the Executive Committee. Members voted overwhelmingly not to table the resolution but to have the vote (104 to 48). In the final vote, 84 percent of the members who cast votes voted in favor of the resolution, and only 16 percent voted against (135 to 22). In short, it passed overwhelmingly.”

    . . .

    “Differences over eschatology, the new perspective, and even the gender issue are one thing. Differences over homosexuality and gay marriage are another. The apostle Paul says that those who embrace sexual immorality will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9-11). To get the issue wrong is not only anti-evangelical. It is also standing squarely against the 2,000-year-old consensus of the Christian church. More importantly, it denies the faith once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3).”

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  3. It is an odd question; but it is meant to draw readers into reading the whole thing, I guess.

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  4. Yes, I am also shocked by that 16 percent. I should have been 100 % unanimous in agreement.
    I agree with you on this issue.

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  5. Paul, I’m not shocked at all seeing the numbers. You compare the LGBT issue with adultery etc. It all boils down to this question: “Is homosexuality a sin?” It was John Boswell who started this issue, posing this question while looking at the 1 Cor 6:9 verse. The late John Boswell was a Yale professor, questioning the greek word “arsenokoitai” which is traditionally rendered as “homosexual”, which he believed wasn’t the appropriate translation.

    I’m seeing that the church was split over this issue. I think that was why the whole question of admission arises in the first place.


    • the late John Boswell’s exegesis has been criticised by many New Testament scholars since then, for example:

      The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics by Robert A. J. Gagnon


      “No Christian concerned with homosexuality can afford to ignore this book….a meticulous scholarly account…showing the weakness of many modern discussions.” — John Barton, Oriel and Laing Professor of the Interpretation of Holy Scripture, University of Oxford

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    • Yes I’m aware of that. I just thought that you didn’t know the issue…

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    • ok thanks then. As a former Christian with SSA I took a great interest in this subject, for obvious reasons. I never found the revisionist attempt compelling.

      Where do you stand?


    • Where do I stand? Next question please! 😅

      Ok seriously, as a Christian, I’m still struggling over this issue. Both camps have convincing arguments. But as an engineer who values facts over beliefs, I do believe that many gays suffered a genetic problem (i.e. anomaly in the chromosom Xq28), which means that being gay is not a choice. Please note that it is not (yet) proven scientifically that lesbians have this genetic anomaly.

      So I cannot answer your question. This is one tough question, and definitely for me is not a “no brainer” question. But one thing for me is sure: I won’t throw the first stone.


    • Boswell was a homosexual himself, and his “scholarship” on that issue has been completely refuted. He was certainly a heretic and caused lots of damage in feeding such lies to people who have used his material.

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    • Ken, I am also aware of this fact.😀


    • ‘I do believe that many gays suffered a genetic problem (i.e. anomaly in the chromosom Xq28)’

      It is far from being proven scientifically that homosexuality is genetic. The current scientific view seems to be that the causes are mixture of nature and nurture.

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    • Yes u r right. I was overexagerating. What I mean was there is *probably a link* to the chromosome Xq28 (hence I said “genetic”). What really bugs me is that many preachers never bother to look for/consider the scientific findings about LGBT… IMHO, true religion should walk hand in hand with science.

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  6. Robert Gagnon was totally right.

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  7. I think there are people who struggle with same sex attractions, didn’t choose them (but some others do choose the perversion and celebrate it and are political activists to try and destroy decent culture) (and others choose to go back and forth for different periods of their life, some out of experimentation and some to be “cool” by modern trendy standards in the western media) I have met several who I have talked to about the gospel and Christ and they admitted they experimented in their youth and then later settled down and got married the normal (one man and one woman) way.

    but they are supposed to reject those evil desires and repent and realize it is wrong and fight against them. The grace of God in the true gospel in Jesus Christ the true Messiah can help people be free from those enslaving desires. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    The saying is still true, “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”.

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  8. Ken, I don’t think the admission issue over gay marriage included the homosexual behavior of people who are experimenting and adventuring on their sexual life.

    The fact is: people who was struggling for SSA (which I consider having genetic problem, i.e. not by choice), cannot be “cured”. The Exodus movement is a clear example. While these “ex”-gays claimed to be “cured” (i.e. now heterosexual), when they were asked of their sexual fantasy, they’re still fantasizing on men… not women. I cannot say that they are “cured” at all. Mind you, that exodus was a christian organization who believes in the power of the gospel (as I do).


  9. Ken the shift in opinion on these matters in countries like the UK is alarming:

    In others words, while clear majorities disapproved in 1983 (highest at 74.8 per cent for Catholics and 79.7 per cent for other Christians), in 2010 opposition had fallen to lower than 50 per cent in each group – lowest at 37.4 per cent for Anglicans and 20.4 per cent for those with no religion. [Dr Ben Celements, Leicester University]


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