The three Christs

Catholicism knows the Christ of faith.

Protestantism knows the Christ of Paul.

Islam knows the Christ of history.

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Categories: Christianity, History, Islam, Judaism

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  1. Christ of Faith. Explain this bro. Is this the ‘you have to just believe’ attitude? But if so, is this not an evangelical thing (and therefore protestant?) Or is it to mean Christ of Church – I.e. whatever the religious organisation says (e.g. via the Pope)? Or is it something I’ve missed (which is very possible)?

    Just curious.

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  2. Ps. Aren’t the Catholics affected by Paul?

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  3. Catholicism knows the Christ of faith: the faith of the church, the Faith as such, meaning its beliefs about Jesus. Salvation is through the Church.

    Protestantism knows the Christ of Paul: evangelicals/Protestants focus on the theology and writings of Paul (especially his soteriology) and tend to ignore the Jesus of the gospels (especially his soteriology).

    Islam knows the Christ of history: the actual flesh and blood Jesus of Nazareth – who was just a man not a divinity. The soteriology of Jesus is Islamic not ‘Christian’.

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  4. “Islam knows the Christ of history.”

    That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all week!

    Maybe now one of the muslims will show us where in the quran it mentions the historical details of jesus’ life.

    While you’re at it, tell us what the quran means by “christ”?

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    • Here are some specific questions that would help people understand the historicity of the quranic account of jesus…..

      When does the quran say jesus lived?

      What country did he live in? WHere did he travel to?

      What were the names of his disciples?

      WHich cities did he perform his miracles in?

      What was the name of the religious figures who tried to crucify him?

      Who was the governor of Israel at the time?

      WHere is the ministry of the Apostle Paul refuted?

      Where does the quran mention the Apostle Paul?

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  5. its predictable that you choose not engage with my comment.

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    • Paul

      I don;t see how I could possibly engage more directly with your comment.

      Your assertion is that islam knows the christ of history. For this to be true, you have to provide evidence from the quran that details jesus’ life and works, and, just as importantly, the quran has to explain the significance of the term “christ”.

      It should be a straightforward case of providing the necessary verses from your holy book.

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    • All this has been answered ad nauseum on this blog. Happy trolling somewhere else dude.

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    • Paul

      I guess I still won’t get an answer LOL.

      But we both know that the quran provides no historical information about jesus.

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    • Do you not have a LIFE?

      It must be very sad being a troll on a Muslim website.

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  6. Then Jesus and His disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way, He questioned His disciples: “Who do people say I am?” They answered, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others say You are one of the prophets.” “But who do you say I am?” He asked. Peter answered, “You are the Christ.” And Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about Him.…

    And that is the question in reality that every person has to answer; not answering is the same as denying him. Either he and the father are one, or not. Either he said, “You have heard that it was said to your ancestors,‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.’* “But I say to you, whoever is angry* with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.”

    When Christ says, “But I say to you”…he is raising his authority above the Torah, he is placing himself as an equal to YAHWEH.

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  7. Catholicism knows the Christ of faith.

    Catholicism knows the Christ of Paul.

    Catholicism knows the Christ of history.

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    • The Christ of history is very unlike the Christ of the Creeds.

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    • Allan, would you take a minute and fill in your contention with the reasons you believe it is true? Thank you my friend.

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    • To Mr. Williams and Mr. Birnbaum;

      The Creeds for the most part quote straight from scripture. The pre-Pauline Creeds in Philippians 2 and 1 Corinthians 15 affirm the death, resurrection, and deity of Christ. These are our earliest sources.

      Peter was the right hand man of Jesus. The one who he built his Church on. In Acts 3:15 he says “But the author of life you killed, whom God hath raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.”

      That is why I believe what I believe. The earliest sources confirm it. The Catholic Jesus is that of history and not the Islamic Jesus.

      I would like to see the earliest source that denies the crucifixion of Jesus as Islam teaches. If you cannot find one then I don’t see how you can state that Islam believes in the Christ of history.

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    • “The Creeds for the most part quote straight from scripture. The pre-Pauline Creeds in Philippians 2 and 1 Corinthians 15 affirm the death, resurrection, and deity of Christ. These are our earliest sources.

      Peter was the right hand man of Jesus. The one who he built his Church on. In Acts 3:15 he says “But the author of life you killed, whom God hath raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.”

      That is why I believe what I believe. The earliest sources confirm it. The Catholic Jesus is that of history and not the Islamic Jesus.

      I would like to see the earliest source that denies the crucifixion of Jesus as Islam teaches. If you cannot find one then I don’t see how you can state that Islam believes in the Christ of history.” AR

      Thanks.

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  8. Qur’an’s denial of the crucifixion and death of Jesus is a denial of history (Surah 4:157), therefore the Christ of Islam is not historical at all. That it was Jesus who was crucified and killed is a denial of history. Anyone can come along 600 years later and say, “it just looked like the Jews killed him, but they really did not crucify him, nor kill him; Allah made it appear that that was Jesus, but it really was not; he was saved and taken to heaven and what people saw was someone else that was made to look like Jesus or a false vision or avatar that looked like Jesus. All those details in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all not historical, even though confirmed by multiple witnesses and even by Jewish and Roman and Greek written sources.

    Also using Apocryphal gospels written in 2nd and 3rd and 4th centuries is not historical. (they were heretical forgeries)

    Protestants and Catholics are agreed about Jesus and the early creeds. (Nicea (325 AD), Constantinople (381 AD), Ephesus (431 AD), Chalcedon (451 AD). They are theology derived directly from Scripture.

    The problem was the Roman Catholic Church later exalted Mary too much and added her to worship context and piety, etc. and added lifelong virginity as some how “more holy” than marriage for some people, and added the bishop of Rome as bishop over all over bishops and things like Purgatory, priests, praying to statues, relics, praying at grave sites to the dead saints, Indulgences, Transubstantiation(800s-1215 declared de fide dogma), the earning of justification by adding good works as merit to increase justification so that no one knows if they are saved until final justification after death and then after Purgatory – additions to the Scriptures and the faith once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)

    But the Jesus of Islam is not historical.

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