Īsā Al Masih: a Qur’anic disposition

In response to br. Mozer  G. inquiry  to understand, what exactly does the quran mean when he calls Jesus -messiah to me, here allow me to present a very brief summary on my musing on the subject.


Disclaimer: this is by no mean an authoritative exposition as I disqualify my self as a scholar.


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Unlike in the hebrew bible, the Qur’an mentions only one Messiah,  this is a title: the Messiah or  al-Masīḥ المسيح in Arabic or  המשיח in hebrew. This title is mentioned  11 times in 9 different Qur’anic verses. I tend to believe although the designation of the definite article the Messiah it does not necessarily mean that the Qur’an implies that there was only one Messiah even though that Jesus (or Īsā in Arabic Qur’an) was the one special Messiah. The reason is the Qur’an set itself as the continuation of the earlier revelation from God, many of the Qur’anic stories and phrase are “recall”, as some scholars put it, of the major figures and narratives in the Hebrew Bible therefore it assumes its readers familiarity with previous scriptures so all the basic principles of its stories and terminology as well as their relationship had been set and enunciated.

Although the Qur’anic Messiah may share a few similarity with the Christian Messiah and with the Jewish one, it presents itself with some contrasting differences, I try to list here the attributes of the Qur’anic messiah:

  • Having been born of virginal conception, the Messiah did not have a father, he is only called after his mother, Īsā bin Maryam “Jesus the son of Mary” .
  • The Messiah was a miracle worker.
  • There are no mention in the Qur’an that the  Messiah was descendant from King David. But the Qur’an refer Jesus’s mother Mary to Aaron kinship. It emphatically gives a particular significance that Mary’s son ie. Jesus  has the birth right as “the Messiah” or anointed one. From Shemot/Exodus 30:30-31 we read that God ordered prophet Moses to anoint his brother Aaron with a special type of anointment with a particular oil for kings …..from this anointing it give him and his heirs  the right to the priesthood title down to prophet Īsā / Jesus, hence the title Jesus “the Messiah”.
  • There are no mention of Jesus depicted as being  a warrior or a military leader like Moses or Muhammad.  He was mainly in a spiritual mission like most of the ordinary prophets.
  • The Qur’an does not present the Messiah as an eschatological figure. He lived, died, and will be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection like everyone else.
  • The Qur’an rejects presenting Jesus as a unique kind of prophet and it refutes portraying the Messiah’s appearance as the climax of history. Jesus was very much part of history in the same way that every other prophet was.
  • One attribute that the Qur’anic Jesus shares with the Jewish  concept of a messiah perhaps is his human nature.  Jesus was a just prophet and messenger — a servant of God.
  • Qur’an 3:45  gives an indication that the Messiah was a concept that God had previously revealed: a prophecy, although this prophecy is not specifically cited anywhere in the Qur’an as mentioning it centuries after it was fulfilled would not serve any purpose.
  • The Qur’anic Messiah neither presents Messiahship of Jesus as a savior to bring the Jews to restore its own kingdom nor the one who save people from sin by playing role as atoning agent. Jesus in the Qur’an  is no unique savior,  he is just a messenger and prophet albeit one of special messenger who was conceived miraculously and performed impressive miracles.
  • The Qur’an rejects the idea that the Messiah ever suffered the Passion, it never teaches a suffering or resurrected messiah.

As a final point I tend to hold the position that the messiahship of Jesus in the Qur’an represent the original concept of the messiah or one messiah which was revealed by God, the title is just for any past figures who were anointed as a gesture to sanctify themselves. Thus Jesus saw his messiahship as teaching Jewish people to salvation by showing them the right way to God, a mandate which was to confirm the divine messages that had been revealed to previous prophets, that is calling people back to the way of God of Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Aaron and all Hebrew prophets.  That is the historical Messiah the Qur’an is telling us about.

Allah Knows best.



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  1. Well written but, substantiate with Quran verses.

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  2. Two things Eric, the majority of sunnis believe in an eschatological Messiah, 2. he’s going to be a warrior/king/ ruler
    …in his second coming.

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    • Kabir,
      you are right about Sunni belief in an eschatological Messiah, but is that belief founded in the Qur’an or Hadeeth? I think Mozer was specifically asking about Qur’an.

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    • Salam Kabir,

      It depends on the what eschatological definition we subscribe to. We see from the gospels that the christian understanding of Jesus second coming might have been developed by Jesus early followers to explain his failure to deliver what they thought the Christ was sent because the end time was near 2,000 years ago. Neither the Qur’an mention this concept of returning Messiah, the Qur’anic messiah fulfilled his earthly mission. Nevertheless, I am aware there are a number of hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad that seems to confirm Jesus second coming.

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  3. sorry ‘the majority of sunnis believe in Jesus as an eschatological messiah…

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    • Yes, I agree good explanation of Qur’anic understanding of Masih.

      I am now waiting for Mozer and his “Top 10 Reasons Jesus is not the Messiah”………….deep sigh.

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  4. بارك الله فيك أخي

    This my thought about the subject as well:

    “The main feature of the Messiah is to be a prophet. That what Quran stated about him.
    His far grandmother is Aaron because Mary was from Aaronic lineage according to Quran,and according to the Hebrew bible, Aaron is the first one to be anointed. This is interesting since scholars found that jews had developed many types of messiahs in the Dead Sea scrolls, one of which is the priest one.
    Moreover, the term (Massih) in Arabic is known linguistically. The verb (M-S-H) in Arabic means to anoint,and if you transformed that verb using this template ( XaXeeX) فعيل, it would mean the anointed one. In fact, many things could be said about this template in Arabic and how we can understand it.

    And as any prophet in Quran, if you obey that prophet and obey the One who sent him (i.e Allah), you will have your rewards, otherwise you’ll be punished .

    Surah 5:12-13
    ” And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We raised from among them twelve chieftains. And Allah said, “I am with you. Surely, If you establish prayer and give zakah(alms) and believe in My messengers and support them and lent unto Allah a goodly loan, I shall surely absolve you of your evil deeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.”
    “Then for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.”

    It’s quite interesting that jews have been waiting for a salvation by a messiah while they don’t even consider to observe the Mosaic law. If you want God’s Salvation, you have to keep your covenant which includes obeying all prophets of Allah. God’s covenant has been always conditional. Jews are waiting for messiah from God while God is waiting you to keep his covenant,and you can’t do that except by believing in Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all” .

    Notes :
    *I don’t consider Qur’an 3:45 as indication for a prophecy rather it’s just a glad tiding for Maryam.
    *In Quran, Jesus has not died yet. He is a sign that the the day of judgement is so close.

    Allah knows the best.

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    • “The main feature of the Messiah is to be a prophet. That what Quran stated about him.”

      Why do you suppose he was born to a virgin?

      “And as any prophet in Quran, if you obey that prophet and obey the One who sent him (i.e Allah), you will have your rewards, otherwise you’ll be punished.”

      It seems that some have nothing but contempt, bitterness and hatred for him and those trying to do as he commands.

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    • وَفِيْكَ بَارَكَ اللهُ أخي

      Good input.

      Wrt Q 3:45, the Qur’an seems to suggest that this title the Messiah was already familiar to Mary. So the Messiah to come was a concept God had previously revealed: a prophecy thus confirming the divine origin of this prophecy.

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    • Eric

      “Wrt Q 3:45, the Qur’an seems to suggest that this title the Messiah was already familiar to Mary. So the Messiah to come was a concept God had previously revealed: a prophecy thus confirming the divine origin of this prophecy.”

      the fact that the quran only “suggests” any meaning for the title of messiah shows that whoever wrote it simply did not know what it meant or its significance.

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    • Graham,
      Quran doesn’t suggest any meaning, nor does he copy the notion developed by rabbinic literature about messiah. Quran is an authority by itself.
      Aaron was the first one who got anointed in your bible. What does that mean?
      Christians linked themselves with Jewish rabbinic concept, so we find them got stumbled with many facts contradicting with Jesus of history! Your gospeles invented many stories such as the place of birth of Jesus and The lineage of Jesus. You ended by so contradictory result. You may read the lineage of Jesus in each gospel! You did that just to make Jesus fit with Jewish one.

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    • Abdullah

      Christianity is fundamentally a sect of judaism – granted, this was long forgotten by christians – and perhaps denied by jews – but it is a fact nevertheless.

      I agree that the quran gives no meaning to the term “messiah” and this one of the things that makes islam not part of the judeo-christian tradition even though it appropriates a huge amount of its mythology from judeo-christian fables, mythology and apocrypha.

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    • Graham

      You said;
      I agree that the quran gives no meaning to the term “messiah” and this one of the things that makes islam not part of the judeo-christian tradition even though it appropriates a huge amount of its mythology from judeo-christian fables, mythology and apocrypha.

      I say;
      But the Jews just like Muslims do not accept the messiah to be the Almighty God. Enough of your judeo-christian lies when you kick the Jewish ship from entering the USA.

      What tradition do you have with the Jews when you kick them out of Europe and they scattered in the Muslim majority lands?

      Enough of this your judeo-chrisian tradition lies because you know how dare you touch any Jew today. They fought hard to be respected today and the Catholics you persecuted in the USA are also untouchable now. It is the turn of Muslims and they are now forming alliance with Jews i.e. Joe Lieberman and some Catholics to make sure they are oft the hook of you evangelical Christians following the examples of Jesus Christ to hate and persecute others like how he ransacked peoples tables, called a woman dog and said this

      Luke 19:27

      New International Version
      But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”

      Thanks.

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    • greyhound dog/animal

      1. show me where the messiah is predicted to be sacrificed yhwh

      2. show me where it is predicted to be “lord of the sabbath”

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    • Intellect

      As stupid as ever.

      None of that comes close to disputing my claim that christianity is fundamentally a jewish sect. Different sects are known to persecute each other – sunni and shia come to mind – so your point is pretty much senseless.

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    • “Different sects are known to persecute each other – sunni and shia come to mind – so your point is pretty much senseless.”

      greyhound gentile dog , out of curiosity, which one of the 4 known sects in josephus thought that yhwh, according to the torah, was murdered messiah?

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    • LOL

      The fruits of islam.

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    • failed and crucified peasant worshipper, which 4 known sects in josephus thought that yhwh was a sacrificed messiah

      better question

      which verse in the torah says that yhwhs salvation was through his execution ?????

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    • A better question would be – why doesn’t allah know the meaning of “messiah”? Why didn’t mohammed teach him what it meant? LOL.

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    • “A better question would be – why doesn’t allah know the meaning of “messiah”? Why didn’t mohammed teach him what it meant? LOL.”

      quran can redefine as it pleases. what’s your problem? lol
      quran doesn’t need to take “judeo-crosstian” stand on it just like it did not understand “hanif” according to how aramaic speaking christians would have understood it.

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    • Let me clarify,
      This statement of yours ” the fact that the quran only “suggests” any meaning for the title of messiah shows that whoever wrote it simply did not know what it meant or its significance” is FALSE.
      Why ?
      Because the promised meesaih is a concept developed by rabbinic let literature. In fact, many jews stated the term ( messiah) is not mentioned in the whole OT while it’s related to that concept. One of the them is Dr. Immanuel.
      Quran repeatedly blamed jews for rejecting God’s prophets if those prophets are not according to jews’s desires.
      The most important thing about Jesus that he’s a prophet speaking by a revelation given by God.
      Christianity which Paul statred was a cult. That’s true. I agree with you.

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    • funnily the new testament says this

      20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said,

      no body witnessed that joseph’s pregnant wife was impregnated by one person from the trinity

      israel never had dreams like this and joseph never uses his dream as evidence /proof for convincing people that jesus was born from 1 person in trinity

      quote:
      “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

      this means joseph had to pretend to be jesus’ dad. he knew dreams wouldn’t work as evidence. poor joseph, lived with guilt all his life.

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    • edward

      “quran can redefine as it pleases. what’s your problem? lol
      quran doesn’t need to take “judeo-crosstian” stand on it just like it did not understand “hanif” according to how aramaic speaking christians would have understood it.”

      The quran doesn’t define the meaning of messiah – that’s the point of this whole discussion. Classic islamic thinking at work there. LOL.

      The problem is that the human beings who constructed the quran had no idea of the significance of the messiah. Your book screams ignorance.

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    • Abdullah

      “Because the promised meesaih is a concept developed by rabbinic let literature. In fact, many jews stated the term ( messiah) is not mentioned in the whole OT while it’s related to that concept. “

      That is a huge problem for islam. If the concept of the messiah is man-made, then the quran should have corrected its misconceptions. Islam is supposed to “correct” the errors of the previous people of the book isn’t it? So why doesn’t the quran provide a corrected and clear understanding of what the messiah means?

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  5. There is also a mention….I forgot where….in the Qur’an about Jesus being sent to bring back Jews away from their very legalistic focus and to bring back the spiritual and ethical focus.

    Does anyone remember the verse that mentions or hints at that?

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  6. Eric

    The cliff notes version of your post is that the quran uses the term “messiah” but doesn’t have a clue what it means.

    “He lived, died, and will be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection like everyone else.”

    WHere does it say in the quran that jesus died?

    “The Qur’an rejects presenting Jesus as a unique kind of prophet and it refutes portraying the Messiah’s appearance as the climax of history. Jesus was very much part of history in the same way that every other prophet was.”

    Jesus was sinless – completely unlike any other prophet, and he did not die, but was raised up to god – according to the quran. Which other prophets did this happen to?

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    • “Jesus was sinless”

      jesus was born with the stain of original sin. mary gave him the disease.

      “– completely unlike any other prophet, and he did not die, but was raised up to god ”


      Which other prophets did this happen to?”

      everyone will be returned to God

      “Sahih International: So exalted is He in whose hand is the realm of all things, and to Him you will be returned.”

      if God was speaking the last line in the first person, He would say

      Wa Raajiukum ILLAYA

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    • //WHere does it say in the quran that jesus died?//

      Jesus has stated in Q 19:33 there is time for him when he dies and resurrect (like everyone else in the day of judgement). This invocation is the same with the one regarding  John the baptist.

      //Jesus was sinless – completely unlike any other prophet, and he did not die, but was raised up to god – according to the quran. Which other prophets did this happen to?//

      All prophets are incapable to sin. Thats Islamic position. As human they might have done humanly mistakes (not sin) but God corrected them directly. Prophet Muhammad too was taken up to God during his night journey when he met other prophets there… even he was taken at the place higher no other prophets had been allowed to enter where he received the injunction of daily prayers

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    • edward

      The qruan says that jesus was sinless – have you apostatized?

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    • Eric

      Jesus has stated in Q 19:33 there is time for him when he dies and resurrect (like everyone else in the day of judgement). “

      What manuscript evidence from the time of jesus do you have that proves jesus said this? And can you name some credible NT scholars who identify this statement as historical and authentic?

      “All prophets are incapable to sin. “

      Where in the quran does it say this?

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    • With the name of Allah

      There are no manuscripts evidence from the time of Jesus peace be upon him, you know it too well. Fortunately the Qur’an is from God, and it is well preserved and memorized from day one, so we can trust it.

      “All prophets are incapable to sin. “

      //Where in the quran does it say this?//

      The Holy Qur’an:  Al Hijr 39-40, 42

      قَالَ رَبِّ بِمَا أَغْوَيْتَنِي لَأُزَيِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَأُغْوِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ

      [Satan] said, “My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all

      إِلَّا عِبَادَكَ مِنْهُمُ الْمُخْلَصِينَ

      Except, among them, Your chosen servants.”

       

      إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ إِلَّا مَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ

      Indeed, My servants – no authority will you have over them, except those who follow you of the deviators.

      The fact that Satan cannot reach His servants,  is obvious that all  prophets cannot sin.

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    • “The qruan says that jesus was sinless – have you apostatized?”

      your god couldn’t protect the fatherless and motherless flesh of adam from sinning, what makes you think he protected his own flesh from sinning considering that it was raised by an original sin stained woman AND that it was not protected from the curse of original sin when it was born.

      the quran says no such thing about “jesus”.
      who is “jesus” ? the word is esa

      esa wasn’t sinless.

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    • quote:
      The fact that Satan cannot reach His servants, is obvious that all prophets cannot sin.

      thanks for this bro. so according to the quran no prophet can disobey God when wahi is received?

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    • Yes, after the wahy prophets are protected from disobeying. God Himself guide them.

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    • “Indeed, My servants – no authority will you have over them, except those who follow you of the deviators.”

      “Sahih International: And indeed, Hell is the promised place for them all.”

      this is obviously referring back to the deviators, isn’t it?

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    • Eric

      “Fortunately the Qur’an is from God, and it is well preserved and memorized from day one, so we can trust it.”

      That is as circular as it gets – the quran is true because the quran is true. That is a very gullible and credulous position.

      Regardless, no credible NT scholar has argued for the historicity of that statement because there are no ancient manuscripts from jesus’ time that show it to be authentic. The hadith are barely historically credible and the quran’s version of jesus is far less so since it is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

      Indeed, My servants – no authority will you have over them, except those who follow you of the deviators.

      This actually destroys your argument – and shows allah’s convoluted reasoning. From the above, clearly some of allah’s chosen (the “deviators”) will sin. Either way, the quote does not even come close to establishing any doctrine of sinlessness as an attribute of all the prophets.

      of course, mohammed sinned…..

      https://quran.com/40:55

      So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt [ Allah ] with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning.

      https://quran.com/47:19

      So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And Allah knows of your movement and your resting place.

      https://quran.com/48:2

      That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path

      Why do muslims ignore the words of their god and commit shirk by claiming that mere human beings can be sinless? Only god is pure enough for sinlessness.

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    • With the name of Allah

      “Fortunately the Qur’an is from God, and it is well preserved and memorized from day one, so we can trust it.”

      //That is as circular as it gets – the quran is true because the quran is true. That is a very gullible and credulous position.

      Regardless, no credible NT scholar has argued for the historicity of that statement because there are no ancient manuscripts from jesus’ time that show it to be authentic. The hadith are barely historically credible and the quran’s version of jesus is far less so since it is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.//

      No credible NT scholars  believe NT is ” authentic” and that modern day “gospels” are from Jesus time. Those are anonymous writings, forged along the way to become what it is.

      We know the Qur’an can be trusted because it is memorized from the day it was revealed till now. Even the hadiths are in far better position than NT writings because the collection of hadiths are equipped with proper documentation regarding its sources and chain of transmissions. So we can  be certain who were the authors nor there biographies of the transmitters.  Read what I have written here here for introductory  info on the method of authenticating hadiths vs the bible.

      When it comes to information on prophet Jesus I trust the Qur’an because we know it is revelation from God.

       

      Indeed, My servants – no authority will you have over them, except those who follow you of the deviators.

      //This actually destroys your argument – and shows allah’s convoluted reasoning. From the above, clearly some of allah’s chosen (the “deviators”) will sin. Either way, the quote does not even come close to establishing any doctrine of sinlessness as an attribute of all the prophets.//

      No prophets, had been known to deviate. Had some of them became deviators they were definitely false prophets.

      //of course, mohammed sinned…..//

      https://quran.com/40:55

      So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt [ Allah ] with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning.

      https://quran.com/47:19

      So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And Allah knows of your movement and your resting place.

      https://quran.com/48:2

      That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path

      //Why do muslims ignore the words of their god and commit shirk by claiming that mere human beings can be sinless? Only god is pure enough for sinlessness.//

       

      Wrong.

      #1 This is a prayer, not that actually the prophet have sinned.

      #2 The word ‘zanb’ ذنب  which the verse use dont necessarily mean “sins” but can mean humanly mistake.

      There is nothing in the Qur’an mentioning that prophet Muhammad did any sin, big or small. On the contrary what we have is a promise from God command to prophet Muhammad that he has protected him from past and future sin and bestowed His favor to the Prophet to guide him and his followers to the straight path eternally.

       

      لِيَغْفِرَ لَكَ اللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِنْ ذَنْبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَاطًا مُسْتَقِيمًا

      “That Allah may forgive thee (لِيَغْفِرَ لَكَ ) thy mistakes dzanbika (ذَنْبِكَ) of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;” (Holy Quran 48: 2)

      The same exact word is used in gospel Matthew 6 when prophet  Jesus  prayed to his God for the forgiveness of his faults.

      Read in Arabic translation (van Dyke) as follows

      Jesus said:

      أبانا ألذي فى السموات Abānā alladhī fīs samāwāt My Father who is in Heaven,
      خبزنا كفافنا واعطنا الرزق أليوم khubzanā kafāfanā wa´tinā rizq al yawm Give us provision for today
      واغفر لنا ذنوبنا  waghfir lanā dzunūbanā forgive our sins

       

      You see exactly the same arabic word is used for “fault” in Matthew is  “dzanb” ذنب‏ the same  as in the Qur’an.  As I explained earlier  It does mean that prophet of God like Muhammad and Jesus has committed intentional grave “sin” thus makes them a “sinner”. God always guided them and keep them in the state of holiness whenever they made humanly faults.

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    • Eric

      “Wrong.

      #1 This is a prayer, not that actually the prophet have sinned.

      #2 The word ‘zanb’ ذنب which the verse use dont necessarily mean “sins” but can mean humanly mistake.”

      Special pleading – the text clearly states in all translations that mohammed sinned.

      “There is nothing in the Qur’an mentioning that prophet Muhammad did any sin, big or small. “

      I just gave you three very clear and unequivocal verses that show that mohammed did sin. You are exceeding the limits and applying divine traits of sinlessness to a human being – hence, shirk.

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    • If that’s how you read scripture then Jesus also did sin like he did in Matthew 6 begging to Allah to forgive his sins: waghfirlana dzunubana

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    • akhi, erik, you completely mauled the greyhound!

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  7. Salam my dear friends, may HaShem/Allah bless all the true seekers…
    First of all, Thanks Eric for this great post, it just confirmed what I thought of you as a learned man of God. Secondly, I couldn’t comment until now for it was the Sabbath…
    Thirdly, this conversation is very interesting to me, and very educational. for as you understand the Jewish positions on this subject is quite different.
    Sorry our dear friend Ibn Issam, I don’t mean to make you sigh..
    I hope to follow up on my word ASAP
    God bless all of us…

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  8. You have said “The Qur’an does not present the Messiah as an eschatological figure. He lived, died, and will be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection like everyone else.”

    Can you clarify what you mean by Jesus died?

    There is no verse in the Quran that mentions that he has already died. Only that Jesus said that he will die which if we are only going by the Quran could still be in the future. We have multiple Hadith statements that speak of his second coming. So his coming is one of the signs of the end.

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    • That Jesus hasn’t died yet, and his return is a sign for the day of judgement is in Quran, indeed.

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    • As br. Abdullah has pointed , the Qur’an use imperfect verb fi’il maadhi it suggest Jesus hasnt died yet but he is God’s mortal creation and he dies like everyone else at some point.

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    • “There is no verse in the Quran that mentions that he has already died.”

      If He hasn’t died yet, where did He go? Where is He now?

      Are you suggesting during His second coming that He will die at that time?

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    • “As br. Abdullah has pointed , the Qur’an use imperfect verb fi’il maadhi it suggest Jesus hasnt died yet but he is God’s mortal creation and he dies like everyone else at some point.” Eric

      “Hence it is fully and conclusively proved that Jesus died long ago, and belief in his continued life is against the clearest teachings of the Holy Quran.” Maulana Hafiz Sher Mohammad

      Translated into English by Dr. Zahid Aziz

      1. Evidence of the Holy Quran

      The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement
      presenting Islam as peaceful, tolerant, rational, inspiring

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    • Overwhelming Islamic scholarly concensus on prophet Jesus is that he hasn’t died yet. He will die later in his 2nd coming.

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    • “O Jesus, I will cause you to die, and exalt you to My presence, and clear you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the day of Judgment.” (3:54)

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    • If He hasn’t died yet, where did He go? Where is He now?

      Are you suggesting during His second coming that He will die at that time?

      What kind of man doesn’t die for hundreds of years?

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    • What kind of man prophet Adam was, he came into being without human parents. what kind of man prophet Muhammad was able to travel to highest heaven where no other human able to go, what kind of man prophet Moses was , splitting the sea to make way for him and his followers, they are all men of God.

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  9. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. Surah 19:19

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    • correct me if i am wrong but to talk about a new born as purified /faultless/ without sin etc etc is normal talk in islamic discourse. even moses , in the quran consider children faultless.

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    • Hank L. Birnbaum III

      November 19, 2016 • 5:02 pm

      He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. Surah 19:19

      I say;
      Faultless is not sinless. Every child is born sinless and will continue to be sinless but not faultless until he/she reaches puberty where he/she automatically knows right and wrong. He/she is responsible for his actions when he/she reaches puberty.

      Jesus committed sin in the Bible by calling a woman Dog. He insulted poor woman and he expressed hatred towards women and gentiles including you. Jesus ransacked peoples properties by destroying their properties(chairs and tables) which land him in jail today for disorderly conduct and property damage.

      Jesus allowed prophet Abraham to rape his slave and gave birth to illegitimate child. Sex outside marriage is a sin and Jesus allowed that.

      Thanks.

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    • 19:19 He said, “I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy.” 19:20 She said, “How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?” 19:21 He said, “Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.’ “

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    • Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! [Maryam 19:33]

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  10. correct me if i am wrong but quran claims to be a mercy from God

    humans other than esa are A mercy from God

    sign = unmarried gave birth = sign for d.o. j

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  11. Faultless. Born to a virgin. Pure. Performed miracles. Highly regarded by Muhammad PBUH.

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    • None of the above makes him divine though.

      Faultless – There are other Biblical prophets who are faultless.
      Born to a virgin – Adam(ra) and Eve(ra) were created in unique ways as well.
      Pure – Is similar to being faultless right ?
      Performed miracles – Many Biblical prophets performed miracles
      Highly regarded by Muhammad PBUH – All the prophets are highly regarded by Muhammad (pbuh). We consider some of the Biblical prophets in a higher station than the Jews and the Christians themselves.

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