What we never see on TV

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Categories: Abortion, Quotation

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  1. I see no one has touched this taboo subject. Let me be the first. Abortion is cold-blooded murder. No 2 ways about it. You can liberalise and sugar coat it all you like. Also, I won’t stand for the deliberate diversion of throwing in “why would you force victims of rape to keep a baby” which is a blatant straw man as if every abortion is down to a result of rape when in fact it is a tiny, tiny fraction of cases. I was watching an unrelated podcast one day and the subject came up for some reason. One guy mentioned he watched a documentary about it and how companies are making a profit from selling aborted baby fetuses and limbs for experimentation… He mentioned that what he saw haunts him to this day and you will never be the same again when you see babies arms, hands, feet, legs and heads lying in a pile as if meat at a butchers store ready to be processed. Those who have babies due to promiscuity should be forced to have them and give them up for adoption to responsible people who can’t have children or some other civilised solution and I absolutely will not have the minority of sex abuse cases provide some sort of cover excuse or justification for the vast majority of abortions.

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  2. Reblogged this on Apologetics and Agape and commented:
    Peter Hitchens, an Evangelical Christian and brother of the infamous atheist author and debater, Christopher Hitchens, who died of cancer in 2011 – Peter Hitchens gives a great analysis of the left wing political evil of endorsement of abortion.

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  3. Thanks for posting that Paul.
    All Evangelical Christians in the west agree with this assessment and the abortion evil is the # 1 political and moral concern of Christians in the west.

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  4. Ken Temple
    November 28, 2016 • 2:35 pm
    Thanks for posting that Paul.
    All Evangelical Christians in the west agree with this assessment and the abortion evil is the # 1 political and moral concern of Christians in the west.

    I say;
    But over 80% of evangelical Christians in the USA voted for Donald Trump who said he is expert in grabbing MARRIED women p****. This guy will now normalize having sex with women and disrespecting women as he continued during his campaign. His example as a leader is to be grabbing MARRIED women ***** and obvious leads to sex. Where there is sex, there is pregnancy, pregnancy with someone’s MARRIED woman leads to abortions.

    The evangelical Christians still put his morality aside and voted for him to overturn Roe v Wade.

    Donald Trump after election said;
    -The gay-marriage law is a law and he will not overturn it
    -Roe v Wade is a law and he will appoint anti abortion judge but that will not stop Roe v wade and he(Trump) has advised people to do abortions in a state that allows it. So he cannot overturn the law.

    Now, the evangelicals and conservatives are furious and they will not like his starting disappointment to them.

    Ken Temple said, there is a separation of Church and state. Why is the Church forcing what is in the Bible i.e. anti abortion to a state and voting for someone whose moral actions is about abortion?

    I guess they follow Paul of Tarsus tactics to use any method to get what will satisfy them.

    Aunt Hilary is not better but she did not grab MARRIED men c***** so the children will not use that as an example to be having sex and causing abortion. She wins on this one. The law is there and it is difficult to change it and we all do not like the law. Voting for someone whose moral actions is an example to cause abortion is not a good thing to do.

    Thanks.

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    • Intellect,
      They don’t approve of Donald Trump’s sexual immorality, adulteries, fornications, and dirty talk and boasting. It was a matter of Hillary being worse, because murder of innocent babies and chopping them up a few minutes before birth, is indeed worse.

      Hillary also would continue the anti-Christian bias and laws against freedom of speech and freedom of religion, against all who disagree with “same sex marriage” as the left is coming after employers and Christian colleges, Universities, and even churches just for saying “homosexuality is sin” and “there is no such thing as “same sex marriage”, even if the Supreme court says it is ok.

      If Trump did that actual sin, or in the future does any kind of that action, and it is proven in court of law, he will be prosecuted and face the consequences of sexual assault.

      Everyone condemned that; even those that were voting for him over Hillary at the last minute.

      Was he just bragging ?

      He is very arrogant and immoral in that area; but claims since he married Melania, he has changed. We will see.

      In the light of the abortion holocaust, the murder and chopping up of babies (per Hitchen’s excellent analysis) was deemed worse that Donald Trump’s ugly and immoral talk.

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    • “If Trump did that actual sin, or in the future does any kind of that action, and it is proven in court of law, he will be prosecuted and face the consequences of sexual assault.”

      can his money atone for his sins?

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  5. Ken Temple said, there is a separation of Church and state. Why is the Church forcing what is in the Bible i.e. anti abortion to a state and voting for someone whose moral actions is about abortion?

    You don’t know what you are talking about. Freedom to vote for the one that comes closer to better principles is not “forcing” anything.

    There is not a complete separation of moral principles of ethics from the USA government. The word “separation” is not used in the US constitution. The phrase came from Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists assuring them that the US government would not interfere in the church’s affairs or doctrines.

    The first amendment of the US Constitution says that “congress shall make no law that establishes a state religion (like in England and western Europe at the time), and shall not prohibit the free exercise of religion” (my paraphrase) . The intent was to keep the government out of the church; it was not saying that we could not talk about God or religion or morality in public or base laws on God’s morality or ethics. That is a left wing revisionists method of history.

    It was the supreme court that FORCED all the state to conform to the right to abortion in the 1973 Roe vs. Wade case. Even liberal justice Ginsburg admitted that.

    The Church cannot force anything, as it has no power of the sword or government, (unlike Islam from 622 AD onward, which used the sword and military conquest to conquer and enforce Sharia law, Dhimmitude, Jaziye, under Caliphate, etc.)

    Read this about Donald Trump’s inconsistency on the Abortion and “Same Sex Marriage” issue and the Supreme Court. The Oberfeld case for same sex marriage was also a forcing of the homosexual agenda onto all other states that had already decided that marriage was between one man and one woman. the Obama-Hillary- Left Wing agenda philosophy is the one that forces, not the church.

    http://www.dennyburk.com/trump-is-not-with-social-conservatives-on-gay-marriage-but-we-already-knew-that/

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  6. sorry for typo and mis-spelling.

    The “same sex marriage” case was:
    Obergefell

    Denny Burk is very good and warned about Trump. Many still did not vote for him, nor Hillary either. (like Dr. White made clear.) But the majority of people in the USA are not Christians.

    the non-Christians that voted for Trump put things like these first in priority:

    Economics
    Jobs
    Tax breaks for businesses to bring manufacturing jobs back to USA
    Repealing Obama Care Insurance law
    Stopping Illegal Immigration – note illegal, no one is against legal immigration.
    Re-negotiating Trade deals
    Federal Regulations
    Taking care of Veterans and cleaning up problem with Veteran’s Administration and Hospitals
    Defeating ISIS more aggressively

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  7. The Christians also understand those things (along with being anti-abortion) as positive things for the USA.

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  8. Ken Temple

    You said;
    Hillary also would continue the anti-Christian bias and laws against freedom of speech and freedom of religion, against all who disagree with “same sex marriage” as the left is coming after employers and Christian colleges, Universities, and even churches just for saying “homosexuality is sin” and “there is no such thing as “same sex marriage”, even if the Supreme court says it is ok.

    I say;
    With all due respect, there is no such thing as “God-Man”, even if Trinitarians says it is ok. It is hybrid creature avatar in Hollywood movies or Kerberos from Greek mythology, the ferocious three-headed guard dog of Hades according to Dr. William Lane Craig is an American analytic philosopher, Christian theologian, and Christian apologist.

    Before the bloody fight in Europe that defeated the Christians, they were forcing this “God-Man” absurdity on people. The Trinitarians started by killing Arians, Ebionites, and Calvin killing Michael for the God-Man. And subsequently the North in the USA fought the South to liberate USA from Christians forcing these God-Man on people and eventually force converting All of their Muslim slave from Africa to Christianity. That is why before the war, almost all the blacks are Christians.

    Go to Egypt, Iraq and all Muslims countries and you will see indigenous Christians, Jews, Buddhist etc. who were never converted and lived there centuries and Iraqi Christians were said to be there as one of the worlds first Christians in the ancient times.

    They are still there despite the Bush/Blair war again supported by evangelical Christians knowing very well it will kill babies, children and adults and the evangelical Christians did not care to support the war and embed themselves into some Army and evangelize Christianity under hash war, for them to say they voted for Trump to stop killing of babies.

    As a Muslim, I do not like gay marriage and gay life and it is a sin. The liberals will allow any one to live his life why will the evangelical Christians force their Biblical laws on a state, if Ken Temple supports separation of Church and a state?

    The evangelical Christians hate Muslims and Jews and either want to convert them in any way they can or kill them. A commenter on this blog said he hates Muslims and want Donald Trump to ban all of them and that is the sentiments of most evangelical Christians and that is why they voted for Trump.

    You Ken do not want Hilary to force gay life styles on you but you are forcing Christian life styles on others even to the extent of some of you disguising yourselves as Muslims and have fake website designed like it is for a Muslim to distort our religion. And many more.

    So, the honest vote is to vote for anyone who will protect all people in the USA but not conservatives and their agenda alone.

    I am glad after winning Donald Trump is disappointing the conservative Christians a little and they are beginning to sense danger and are fighting to put him back to his promise to ban all Muslims.

    By voting for Donald Trump, you have accepted immorality and it means any sex maniac can be voted by Christians and his example will inspire society to be having sex with married women and causing abortions because of unwanted pregnancies. Hilary has her problem but she is not immoral and society will not use her example to grab married men crotch and have sex and cause abortion. That is my point.

    Thanks.

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    • I say;
      With all due respect, there is no such thing as “God-Man”, even if Trinitarians says it is ok.

      You jumped to a subject that had nothing do with the issues.
      Goofy.

      But anyway, even though it is off topic, John 1:1-5 and 1:14 and Philippians 2:5-8 and Hebrews 1:3, 1:6, 1:8; 1:10-12; Colossians 1:15-20; John 20:28; Matthew 2:1-12; 14:33, Mark 14:60-64, all proves that Jesus was the “God-man” – 100 % God by substance and 100% human also.

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    • rewording what ken said : that 1 person, 2 natures was the “God-man” – 100 % God by substance and 100% human also.

      yeah, when god was saying “my soul is deeply troubled” this meant “100 % god + 100 % human ” were saying simultaneously “my soul is deeply troubled”

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    • by the way, Calvin did not kill Michael Servetes.

      The state government of the city council of Geneva did that, after trials and evidence of his heresy in spreading heresy against the Trinity and the eternality of the Son.
      They inherited that cruelty from the Roman Catholic eras of state government and punishing heresies by physical punishments.

      Calvin did not do it.

      though he approved of it; he did not kill him. Calvin wrote letters to him while he was in prison, and Calvin pleaded with him to repent.

      But Baptists don’t agree with Calvin on that point. (executions for beliefs) They baby baptizers would have drowned us Baptists also.

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    • the hypocrisy goes all the way to the new testament

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  9. can his money atone for his sins?

    NO

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    • of course it can.

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    • No it cannot.

      Acts 8:20-22

      Acts 8:20-22New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.

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    • nonsense. if trumps repents , then his money can atone for him.

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    • ivanka trump by the way is jewish. so according to her, money can atone for her sins.

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    • So? It has no bearing on Christian truth or theology; but she is free to believe that, if she does.

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    • repentance + money atones for sins .

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    • “But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God”

      coming from the one who was in charge of collecting cash for the church and denied and forsook his god. who cured him of his faithlessness? money?

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  10. The Trinitarians started by killing Arians, Ebionites, . . .

    You don’t know what you are talking about. The Ebionites were not killed; and their little group was much earlier (100s – 200s) than after 380 AD, after Christianity became the state religion.

    Arius was not killed either, rather, he was exiled. (at 325 AD the Council of Nicea)

    The Ebionites are mentioned by Justin Marytyr ( 150 AD) and Origen (250 AD) and Ephiphanius in 375 AD. Christians had no power of state government and did not kill them. Their ideas were bad, and some apparently fled to more deserted areas. They died out after that.

    Muslims claim that Warqa Ben Naufal was an Ebionite. Maybe he was; they were small and only existed in the deserts of Syria, North Arabia, if at all.

    In 375, Epiphanius records the settlement of Ebionites on Cyprus, but by the mid-5th century, Theodoret of Cyrrhus reported that they were no longer present in the region.[28]

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  11. “They don’t approve of Donald Trump’s sexual immorality, adulteries, fornications, and dirty talk and boasting. It was a matter of Hillary being worse, because murder of innocent babies and chopping them up a few minutes before birth, is indeed worse”

    I think it’s matter of being a hypocrite as much as you can. Isn’t this what all christianity today about?

    1:13′

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  12. Actually, several TV shows/movies have portrayed abortion, so that entire statement is wrong.
    It was portrayed in Scandal rather effectively.
    In Revolutionary Road, it showed effectively what can happen to a woman who can’t have an abortion, and doesn’t want to be pregnant, and how damaging unsafe abortions are.
    It was portrayed more than once in Underbelly.
    Recently, it was shown on Jessica Jones, when a rape victim found out she was pregnant with her rapist’s baby, and her devastation upon learning this fact.
    In an older episode of Criminal Minds, a woman committed suicide after she’d been raped, and learnt that she was pregnant.
    In Grey’s Anatomy, Cristina has an abortion after accidentally falling pregnant. It’s also not the only abortion shown.
    An episode of House dedicates an entire episode in Season Three about a woman struggling to decide between keeping her baby and having an abortion – and that’s not all the other episodes that include abortions.
    These are just shows that I can think of, off the top of my head. Can you imagine how many I’d find if I Googled it?
    The quote is wrong. And you’re wrong.
    It is shown. Some shows get into the nitty gritty scenes, others don’t. Some of the women have abortions because they were raped. Others have abortions because they don’t want to have a child.
    Some women don’t survive the abortion, because they were forced to keep a child they didn’t want, and sought other means.
    It’s also not ‘unwanted babies’, the term you’re looking for is a ‘fetus’. And a woman is allowed to decide, for whatever reason, that she does not want a fetus living inside her. You don’t get to make that call.
    And yes, I damn well know exactly what a fetus looks like. Unless you have a medical degree, I imagine I know a lot more than you.

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    • So your evidence against is entertainment television, which is produced by people who mostly oppose the statement in the original post.

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    • Quote: “Abortion is the only event that modern liberals think too violent or obscene to portray on TV. [It] would destroy their pretense that is a civilized answer to the problem of what to do about unwanted babies”.

      No, my point is that television and movies both show abortion. The quote doesn’t say, ‘in documentaries’. In fact, he’s quite specifically implying main-stream television and movies, because he says ‘portray’. Not any other word … portray. Which, if you’re obviously lacking such an understanding of the word, means to depict, describe or act … which means creating something. Which means he’s not referring to an actual abortion, which you can see on TV if you watch medical documentaries (have), he’s referring to the depiction – the portrayal – of an abortion.
      Hence, mainstream movies and TVs, is what he’s talking about.
      So all the things I listed that I’ve seen – without Google, where I’m sure I could find more – are wrong. He’s wrong. You’re wrong. Abortion is depicted all the time. It’s really that simple.
      And again, unless you have a medical degree, I’m pretty sure I know far more about abortion than you ever will.
      And I’m guessing, because of your stance, I’m right … because, for the most part, doctors have to be a) okay with abortion to at least some extent (because abortion can save lives) and not being okay with it – at least in certain circumstances – would be violating the Hippocratic Oath and b) you’d have a better understanding of what a fetus is, when a fetus is aborted, what a fetus actually looks like at certain weeks, and the sad reality of late-term abortions (that usually occur no later than 25 weeks, and only happen when absolutely necessary – i.e. when the mum’s life is at danger/the baby won’t survive, again putting the mum’s life in danger).
      But, as you’re unaware of all of that, and more, I’m going to make a wild guess and go with … you don’t have a medical degree.
      Which means: a) I’m right, because I understand the quote better than you, and the definition of ‘portray’, and b) I understand what abortion means better than I imagine most people on this thread.

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