The British PM is right to speak up for our Christian heritage which has come under relentless secular pressure for generations. Christianity is on its deathbed in the UK. Islam is the faith of the future, but I for one am appreciative of our beautiful Cathedrals; the English literature inspired by the Christian faith (TS Eliot and Charles Dickens come to mind); the foundation of great hospitals and world class universities.
Prime Minister Theresa May speaks during Prime Minister’s Questions in the House of Commons
Reblogged from Premier
The Prime Minister has told MPs “our Christian heritage is something we can all be proud of”.
Theresa May was responding to a question from the Conservative MP for Congleton and Christian Fiona Bruce, who asked the Prime Minister if she would endorse a recently published book called Speak Up.
Speak Up was created by the Lawyer’s Christian Fellowship and the Evangelical Alliance.
It’s designed to help readers understand what their rights are and what the law says in terms of sharing and practising faith in everyday British life.
There have been concerns among some Christians that currently laws, as well as counter-extremism measures by the government, restrict a believer’s ability to share their faith or their views on certain issues like gay marriage.
Fiona Bruce’s question comes after the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commissioner David Isaac said earlier this week that British employers should fully embrace Christmas without fear of offending staff who do not celebrate it.
Responding to the MP’s question, Theresa May told the House of Commons: “My honourable friend raises an important issue which matters to both her and me, and I think that the phrase that was used by the Lawyer’s Christian Fellowship was ‘the jealously guarded principle’ of that ability to speak freely… about one’s religion.
“I’m happy to welcome the publication of this report and its findings.
“Of course, we’re now into the season of Advent and we have a very strong tradition in this country of religious tolerance and freedom of speech and our Christian heritage is something we can all be proud of.
“I’m sure we would all want to ensure that people at work do feel able to speak about their faith and also feel able to speak quite freely about Christmas.”
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“Islam is the faith of the future,”
How do you know that?
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God’s will will be victorious.
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but how?
will it grow and start to implement Sharia, Jiziye, Dhimmitude, Caliphate , Jihad?
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don’t be obtuse Ken. God always has the last word. On the day of Judgement all disputed matters will be cleared up. Even you will acknowledge the truth of Islam and the prophethood of Muhammad.
But this article is not about that.
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We believe in the One true God also and He will have the last word on judgement day; but Christianity does not grow by Jihad or forcing Jiziye or Dhimmitude or a political dictator like a Caliphate who has complete unity of state government and religion.
According to the Scriptures, on judgment day, it is you who will be forced to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord – Philippians 2:5-11
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lol boring. Always the preacher who has to have the last word.
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Don’t you know the good architecture and literature you speak of was inspired by the very doctrines that you now abhor?
Incarnation, Atonement, the cross, forgiveness, God’s love condescending, resurrection, Deity of Christ, Trinity ?
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indeed. I am aware of the teachings of Christianity Ken. But thank you for the reminders.
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you are not answering the question as to how Islam will grow in England.
It seems inherently violent in areas like India and Nigeria, where it seeks political power over the Christians or Hindus, etc.
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Because that is not the point of the post Ken.
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one of your points of the post is that “Islam is the faith of the future”. I am wondering how that can be?
The Jihadists are making it negative for all other folks – atheists, skeptics, secularists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians, nominal and evangelical, Roman Catholic and liberal Anglican. The Jihadists are making it a negative thing with everybody in the world, it honestly seems.
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Since the beginning of time God has always sent the same primordial divine message to all his Prophets who called on all true believers to obey his commandments and worship only him alone. Those who restrain their own will in obedience to the will of God, worshipping only him and no other associates, are on the spiritual path of Islam.
Historical Islam as we know it today, is the last inheritor of this message, with the Qur’an being the last and most recent restatement and reaffirmation of the divine primordial message. Prophet Muhammad reestablished the One True God’s religion and law and, with Allah’s blessing and promise, assured that the divine message would be kept preserved and maintained in its complete purity for the benefit and clear guidance of all who come after.
Since God’s will is always victorious in the end, his divine primordial message will be triumphant in the end as well. In time, the Truth (Haqq) will become manifestly clear, as falsehood and deceit will also be unveiled, and Islam will be redeemed in the eyes of all who witness. This is true despite what we may see today on the political scene, as intelligent reflective people will eventually be able to differentiate between the truth of the divine message of Islam apart from the negative things that are falsely attributed to it. The Judgment belongs to Allah in the end.
Therefore, yes, Islam both in the abstract and concrete sense is the religion of the future.
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“It seems inherently violent in areas like India and Nigeria, where it seeks political power over the Christians or Hindus, etc.”
you would prefer to live under donald trumps governing powers, right?
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He has no power to do anything like a king or monarch, etc. Even many things he boasted of that he would do, USA law does not allow him to implement. He was just boastful talk. Even now, he is modifying and pulling back on many things he said. He is actually making some wise and practical decisions now and appointing people who seem to be good and qualified.
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The Congress made up of Democrats and Republicans (if he tries something really goofy or stupid; but he is not that stupid; just a boastful talker), the Media, and USA law prevents him from doing anything stupid. We have checks and balances. Congress can stop him from doing stupid things.
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Is Islam really the driving force behind violence in Nigeria? I do admit to having never read a more STUPID statement in years. There seems to be little hope trying to change Mr Temple.
Abu A’ala Al-Ma’arri was likely half correct when he wrote the words : ‘Men are of two sorts;those with religion but no brain and brainy (but) irreligious folks’.
Time for some education about my country. It would be nice to have a bag of popcorn beside you before reading on.
Violence in Nigeria is as complex as the christian trinity. Although it surprisingly often wears a religious (Christianity Vs Islam) outlook, unbiased commentators have identified its root causes as
1. Media fuelling of Islamophobia/Islam bashing in the western world
2. Poverty as well as rising cost of living
3. Disappointment in policies of successive (western-foisted) governments.
4. Ethnic distrust and ‘hyper-conservatism’ alongside ancient inter-ethnic antagonism.
As statistics has always confirmed, all parties have been guilty. Thousands from the different sides have fallen to opposing foes in clashes. At the height of Boko Haram suicide bombings in 2010 and 2011, ‘would-be’ bombers were arrested by the police from both camps. I list below a few incidences from the christian (holier-than-thou) side:
*A certain JOHN from the northern state of Nassarawa
was arrested at the gates of the Nigerian Television Authority. On him were timed explosives which had to be deactivated.
* Bulus(Paul) Haruna led a gang of 8 youths (all of them christian) to bomb a church in Plateau state. All were apprehended afterwards.
*An unknown christian group carried out arson and shootings on an Islamic madrasa in Jos. Some 150 kids (among which was a cousin of my friend) lost their lives.
*Grace Shehu attempted to set alight a ‘deeper life bible church’. She never made it however.
Guess ‘Holier-than-thou’ could make anyone look stupid. Think it is about time to investigate matters before taking judgement.
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Ken is just an ignorant American fundamentalist. Because he belongs to the only world superpower he feels entitled to lecture other peoples and faiths. There are millions of these people. Sadly they elected Trump. He will never learn. Invincibly ignorant. And proud of it.
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Ok, I apologize for not knowing much about Nigeria. Sorry.
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Neither sir do you know enough about ‘India’ to justify the link between Islam and the violence there. Will appreciate if you can get a lock on your tongue.
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I am glad you appreciate the Christian heritage, literature and architecture, etc. and, I also know, the basic morality and ethics that Christianity taught – family values, marriage, basic 10 commandments morality and ethics.
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Ken,
Islam teaches the same basic morality, all of the 10 commandments are included in the Qur’an. The difference is that Muslims take the 1st commandment much more seriously than Christians.
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But the punishments and Sharia law and lack of freedom to choose, Dhimmitude, Jiziye, Caliphate, Jihad – these are all very evil things and should never be allowed in the west.
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…marriage, basic 10 commandments morality and ethics.
by “basic” you mean you don’t keep the sabbath holy?
you keep about 3-4 from the 10?
do you know these are LINKED to the parts which tells you what to do if they are broken?
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Sunday is the New Testament day of rest and worship.
All other 9 commandments, Christians follow.
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where does it say that in the NT?
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Acts 20:7
Revelation 1:10
I Corinthians 16:1-2
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I agree that there is much to admire about Christian heritage (architecture, literature, etc.), but there is also a lot to disparage. I think that when people look at the negative aspects of the Christian past, it far outweighs the positive things and in the end there is not much there to be proud of, especially since the past trajectory has resulted in Christians today having strayed so far from the true historical teachings of Jesus and the traditional culture and moral values of the Abrahamic faith. Christianity as a faith tradition, does not really offer anything (including salvation) that cannot be obtained elsewhere in more rational based religious traditions. This is why in the face of secularism and other religious options, Christianity cannot compete in the long run and is dying a slow death, and while it may experience ups and downs, the general trend will be a decline from which it will never truly recover.
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Ken
those references do NOT say “Sunday is the New Testament day of rest and worship”.
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The practice was based on those verses. You are demanding exact words, like the common Muslim demand for exact words, “where does it say that Jesus said “I am God, Worship Me”.
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There is nothing negative about Christianity, when it is properly followed, with freedom, and without “state church” Roman Catholic pre-USA (pre 1776 stuff).
The problem is that radical secularism, the liberalism that Paul Williams and Shabir Ally constantly extol, Darwinism/atheism as dogma – and political correctness – these things took over western governments slowly and is forcing revisionist history, abortions, and homosexuality and transgenderism and atheism (Darwinianism in schools and education).
Those are the negatives in the west; not Christianity per say.
That is probably why Theresa May said what she said; she is trying to overcome the self-hatred of many modern westerners. (self-hatred and guilt of the mistakes of the past – like the Crusades, slavery, treatment of North American Indians (but that was not in Europe).
Hard to understand why western Europe has drifted from Christian faith, except that infant baptism, Darwinian secularism, socialism, Marxism, political correctness, lack of true conversions, guilt over colonialism, etc. has left a great vacuum.
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Infant baptism gives people the feeling that are “in the kingdom” or “saved”, but it does nothing for a baby – just gets them wet.
the problem with all state churches in Europe, both Roman Catholic and mainline Protestant, is that they retained the unbiblical practice of infant baptism, thus giving people the impression they are Christians, but they are not.
True Biblical Christianity is first heartfelt repentance and faith in the heart (Romans 10:9-10; Acts 15:9-11; Romans 5:5; John 7:37-39) and water baptism come later, after a credible profession of faith is communicated.
“there arose another generation who did not KNOW the LORD.” Judges 2:10
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Ken,
“Infant baptism gives people the feeling that are “in the kingdom” or “saved”, but it does nothing for a baby – just gets them wet.”
I can agree with you on that. But how is infant baptism, really any different than faith based redemption, which gives people the same feeling that they are “in the kingdom” or “saved”? Many people say a sinners prayer, are baptized and believe in Atonement by cross, they may even believe it in their hearts but continue in their sinful ways, with no real change or transformation in their sinful actions or lives. Regardless of what you may think, these people truly believe that they are Christians.
It this lazy Christian belief in an effortless easy “salvation on demand” and Paul’s innovated Gospel of Freedom from the law which has resulted in the licentiousness of the vast majority of Christian people and set them on the trajectory which caused them to stray so far from the true historical teachings of Jesus and the traditional culture and moral values of the Abrahamic faith.
Almost every other religion has some sort of legalistic framework to guide the believer in the right direction.Without a legalistic framework, there are no boundaries, no clear line between what is acceptable (Halal) and what is forbidden (Haraam), and this opens the door to innovation, deviation, and straying from the righteous path. This is why we see so many who identify as Christians acting in deviant and sinful ways, that the Prophets would never have approved. According to Paul’s Gospel of Freedom, Good deeds are like unto “filthy rags” and the Christian is “Free” to choose to abide by the law, OR NOT. Either way the Christian still believes he is saved by faith belief in Crucifixion. Even though some more straight Christians would like to disassociate themselves from them, these people are still the fruit of Christianity, and they are absolutely 100% Christian.
So it is really a cop out to blame the shameful Christian immorality that we see today on various Secular ideologies and political creeds, when it is Paul’s teachings which really opened the door and allowed such deviation to enter into the house of Christianity.
If Christianity as a faith tradition, leads to such sinful immorality and it does not really offer anything (including salvation) that cannot be obtained elsewhere in more rational based religious traditions, then why remain a Christian?
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If anyone does not have a changed life, or good works, or evidence, or fruit; they are not true believers. The Reformers said, “We are justified by faith alone, but true faith does not stay alone; it necessarily results in good works, fruit, a changed life, deeper levels of repentance and holiness, growth, etc. Galatians 5:19-21 – ” those who constantly practice those things will not inherit the kingdom of God”
Hebrews 12:14 – “pursue peace and the holiness without which, no one will see the Lord.”
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Pauls rejection of the law has confused and misguided Christians ever since lulling them into the belief that they are saved by faith alone. A hollow faith in the atonement by the cross does not necessarily result in good works, because faith based redemption ultimately does not require action and without a divine law there is no clear guidance to usher people forward along the right path. A Christian is good only because he chooses to be good not because it is required of him. He is good despite his religion not because of it.
Given this, of what use or benefit is Christianity to mankind?
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Paul did not reject God’s law.
He wrote:
“the law is good and holy and righteous” Romans 7:12
“the law is good is one uses it correctly” 1 Timothy 1:8-11
The difference is what the law’s purpose is.
The law was never meant to provide salvation.
The law shows us our sin; and punishes evil in society, and rewards good behavior.
You have a very warped understanding of the law in the Bible.
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“the law is good IF one uses it correctly” 1 Timothy 1:8-11
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It is more accurate to say thar Paul & Paulinian Christianity have a “warped understanding” of the Law in the Bible.
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brother isam, even evangelical christians have realised that paul threw away jewish law. think about it bro, if jewish law could help one from sinning , what then is the point of jesus’ “sacrificial ritual” ?
http://www.peteenns.com/paul-it-looks-like-hes-sort-of-winging-it/
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“If anyone does not have a changed life, or good works, or evidence, or fruit; they are not true believers. ”
what then is the point of the sacrificial ritual? the whole point behind a sacrificial ritual is to allow one to get away with sins. jesus then, must have died for the good in man. he must have been a gratitude offering and not a sin offering. if faith can produce good in man, then jesus died for the good in man.
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only by the power of the atonement can one have forgiveness and true repentance and faith, and only by that faith alone in Christ alone in His powerful atonement, is the result of good works.
All other systems are man-made religions of conditions of righteousness before God will accept you.
Romans 3:21-26
Romans 6:6-7
Galatians 2:20-21
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“Our religion will be unprofitable if it does not change our heart, pervade our manners, and transform us into new creatures.” John Calvin
“If any one is in Christ, he is a new creature, the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.”
2 Corinthians 5:17
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“Speak Up was created by the Lawyer’s Christian Fellowship and the Evangelical Alliance.”
I feel governments should refrain from backing the Evangelical agenda. Many Evangelicals “sharing and practising faith in everyday British life” probably don’t care much about “beautiful Cathedrals; the English literature inspired by the Christian faith (TS Eliot and Charles Dickens come to mind); the foundation of great hospitals and world class universities.”
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“only by the power of the atonement can one have forgiveness and true repentance and faith, and only by that faith alone in Christ alone in His powerful atonement, is the result of good works.”
so god has created no ability within the human being to change his ways ? he needs magical blood atoning ritual between himself and human being? god cannot atone through his mercy , he needs to perform finite ritual by separating himself from flesh body? in the torah one can love god with all his heart and all his soul, if such capability is created within the heart, then jesus’ “atonement” is useless. god already created mechanism without atonement.
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ken , please answer these questions
ken , who punished the son for all sins? when the son is being punished, is he fully god and fully human?
when the son is being punished is he talking to his divine side which is in his body?
when he is being punished , is he supporting himself through his “fully god” side?
in the depths of hell, people will not receive divine support.
does “god the son” support himself when he is being punished on the cross?
i assume “fully god” and “fully man”
in
“unity”
support each other/ or one is supported by another while it is being punished
but normal humans, in hell will receive no support and will not be able to “bear” punishment
you god seems to have taken it easy on himself, ken.
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ken, also what is a sacrifice if you have power over the punishment you are applying on yourself? if son has “power over his life and death” then who has power over the punishing force? he? his father? holy spirit? complete trinity? this is all magical stuff here. i don’t even know why you want to feel guilt , ken. jesus willingly went to get punished for homosexuality, murder, rape, marriage with dolphins, idolatry , future, past and present sins . jesus also , according to orthodoxy, can step in and out of punishment, which implies SELF CONTROLLED execution. to be honest with you, none of this gives one the feeling of guilt. it makes persons in the trinity as nut jobs.
ken, any human, regardless of his status, if suffers , it will produce saddens within the person. but imagine you are told that the guy you watched getting crucified had control over his punishment, the feeling of sadness will turn into a question
“does he like punishing himself ?”
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matthew converted marks fearing mary into joyful women who ran from the tomb. even the womens sadness was converted to happiness . a repenting christian will always have to tell himself that his sins have already been paid for and repentance just reminds his god that he already punished himself for the said sin. then the christian celebrates his gods coming back to life. this is a confusion. you are in between celebration and guilt, then replaced with happiness. then you sin again and do the same process. they you sin again and do the same process. then you sin again and again and do the same process.
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@Ken
There are different views about compulsion in Christianity, depending on the particular church and age. You may follow a view without compulsion but it has to be clear to you that most Christian theologians over the centuries disagreed. We have to be transparent.
Independent of what change Christianity brought to the religion of the Old Testament the Old Testament is still from God. It may be abrogated now but you cannot say that it is inherently bad. You should know that you committed blasphemy against your God by calling the Shariah evil and bad since the things from the Shariah you meant are found in the Old Testament too. So you can say it should not be followed today but you cannot call it evil. Repent.
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Like Jay Smith Ken throws the Jewish Bible under the bus – though he will always deny it – but his attacks on Islam demonstrate this.
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The modern applications of Sharia law in the Muslim world are evil, as was the Dhimmi system that did not allow Christians to evangelize or debate on religion or Islam. (there were exceptions, but for the most part, the Muslim world has never allowed freedom of religion – the law of apostasy is cruel and wrong.)
There are differences between the God-breathed law of Moses, which I affirm, etc. and the modern Muslim applications of its own Sharia – either Shiite Iran or Sunni Saudi and Taliban Afghanistan application of Sharia, or more extreme forms of it with claims of Caliphate and Jiziye and Dhimmitude (isis, Al-Qaeda) – those are man made and evil forms and distortions of God’s law.
The lack of freedom for people to choose religion once Islam took over an area (the aggressive and unjust wars against Byzantine and Persia and beyond in history) are proof of the injustice of Islam’s Jihads and Wars and subjugating peoples.
Again,
“The law of God is good, righteous, and holy” – Romans 7:12
And the law of Moses as a theocratic state was never meant to go beyond the borders of Israel. The boarders were laid out in Genesis 15 and 1 Kings 4:20-21 – fulfilled during Solomon’s time.
Jesus took the political kingdom away from Israel in Matthew 21:43-45; and there is no more Biblical theocratic Israel.
Freedom to choose, freedom to criticize, freedom of speech is superior – since a person is not forced and believes in the heart sincerely.
“believe in your heart” – Romans 10:9-10; Acts 15:9-11; John 7:37-39
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The church was persecuted ( off and on; locally and Empire wide more 250-311 AD) the first 300 + years.
The Roman Catholic era of marriage of state and church, the Crusades and Inquisitions was wrong and not true Christianity. (600 AD to 1517)
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I don’t throw the OT under the bus.
The OT prophesied of the Messiah to come.
Monotheism and God’s law is truth.
Genesis 12:3, 18:18; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; 49:10 – “all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in you and your seed” = the promise of the Messiah to come from the seed of Abraham.
Isaiah 52:13-15, 53:1-12
Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 9:6
Leviticus 19:18 – love your neighbor as yourself
Leviticus 19:33-34 – be kind to the alien who lives in your land
Psalms and Proverbs – wonderful truths for today.
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You do not follow 99% of the law. You follow Paul who claimed wrongly that the law was “abolished”. Jesus did not eat pork. You do.
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Jesus Himself declared all foods clean. Mark 7:19
Acts chapters 10-11
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No he didn’t. That was Marks view. For the historical Jesus see Matt 23. Matthew deleted Marks claim when he wrote his gospel. Matt is more accurate.
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That is your modern take of dividing Mark and Matthew from each other, based on liberal scholarship. You are free to believe that delusion.
Nevertheless, even if you think that, Matthew affirmed the substitutionary atonement in Matthew 20:28 – “the Son of Man came to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many” – a clear reference to the suffering servant of Isaiah 52 and 53. And Matthew affirmed all the details of the trials and the cross and crucifixion and death and resurrection of Christ – matthew chapters 26, 27, and 28. All of that proves Islam and Surah 4:157 is wrong.
So, by affirming Matthew, you just proved your own religion of Islam wrong.
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Again, you proved Islam wrong by affirming the Gospel according to Matthew.
Also, Paul put the gospels on the same par as the OT Scriptures – 1 Timothy 5:18.
2 Tim. 3:15 is about the OT.
But verse 16 expands it to “all Scripture”
and Paul understood his own letters and preaching as authoritative, and Spirit inspired also.
I Corinthians chapters 1-2
I Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians
Galatians 1:6-9
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Islam does not ‘affirm’ Matthews gospel lol. Your interpretation of Paul is just loopy and not supported by an serious NT scholar.
Did James say his letter was on a par with the Hebrew Bible? No. Did the author of John’s letters think his writing was on an equal footing with the OT? No. ditto Peter, Jude etc.
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you affirmed Matthew, and Matthew proves Islam is wrong. Whole chapters on the cross, crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Christ, Matthew chapters 26, 27, and 28 – proves Islam is wrong.
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Wrong. You don’t understand how scholarship works. Matt has it right on the historical Jesus being a Torah observation Jew. Matts Jesus upholds the food laws, correcting Mark’s portrait of Jesus who does not.
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who has authority to tell us how liberal scholarship works? Are you willing for those western skeptics and liberals to apply the same presuppositions to the Qur’an and Islam? when they did (Patricia Crone, Wainsborough, Muhammad Sven Kalisch, etc.) they get death threats, go into hiding, etc. – even Bart Ehrman said, “I value my life” (that’s why he doesn’t criticize the Qur’an).
You are inconsistent and need to see that hypocrisy of using the freedom of the west to claim intellectual scholarship; yet don’t see the same thing, if applied to Islam, destroys Islam also.
Believing scholarship is better than Kufr scholarship.
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Ken you fear NT scholarship because it is truthful about the Bible.
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Paul affirmed the law in Romans 7:12 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11.
The meaning of Ephesians 2:15, in context, means the enmity / curse/ cultural barriers of the law that divide Gentiles and Jews from each other. You have to read the whole paragraph of Ephesians 2:11-22 – the Lord abolished the enmity of the law, not the law itself. You have been corrected on this thousands of time, but repeat your stubbornness and avoiding the context. You don’t seem to know how to do proper exegesis.
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“Jesus Himself declared all foods clean. Mark 7:19”
those are not jesus’ words. those are marks claims. jesus teaches christians that it is fine to eat with unwashed hands. it was all about unwashed hands not menu of foods.
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The gospel according to Mark is “God-breathed” also. 2 Timothy 3:16
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Not so. The passage obviously refers to the Jewish scriptures not the gospels.
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“The meaning of Ephesians 2:15, in context, means the enmity / curse/ cultural barriers of the law that divide Gentiles and Jews from each other. You have to read the whole paragraph of Ephesians 2:11-22 – the Lord abolished the enmity of the law, not the law itself. You have been corrected on this thousands of time, but repeat your stubbornness and avoiding the context. You don’t seem to know how to do proper exegesis.”
now you are giving pauls views.
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why did christian imperialists use “dominus” and “kyrios” for jesus when they were ruling through new testament and ot?
why did jesus not say a word against the dispossession of the canaanites? he was silent on that wasn’t he?
why were christians and jesus dreaming of replacing roman rule with gods rule?
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i challenge you to show where god disconnected the 10 commandments in the ot. the 10 commandments were linked to other parts of the bible. that you christians have disconnected them implies you threw ot under the bus.
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you picked 2 laws from lev (Leviticus 19:18 – love your neighbor as yourself
Leviticus 19:33-34 – be kind to the alien who lives in your land) , but leviticus ends with :
37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”
you must admit, you , like christians choose what is nice and what is not nice, right?
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The NT tells us what is still applicable and what parts were temporary for Theocratic Israel, until the New Covenant.
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no, nt chooses what is applicable like you choose what is applicable. why would the hebrew god give the penalty straight after he tells the people what not to do and do?
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NT is God-breathed truth; even Qur’an affirms it. Surah 10:94; 5:47; 5:68
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the nt is man made forgery .
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No the Quran does not Ken. That is refuted here: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_endorse_the_bible__
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“The NT tells us what is still applicable and what parts were temporary for Theocratic Israel, until the New Covenant.”
it never says anything about “new covenant”
that passage in jeremiah talks about a time when nobody would be doing anything sinful
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“Even the Qur’an affirmed all of the NT, since there was no other true gospel from 100-632 AD. ”
“Sahih International: So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.”
it
says nothing about the new testament here. the quran is not even mentioning any stories mentioned in the nt.what has mentioning about noah and moses got anything to do with “all of the nt” ?
those doubting among the people of the book cannot deny what is mentioned before this verse.
Sahih International: And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
microsoft xp got replaced by windows 7, windows 7 got replaced by windows 10
Sahih International: Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers.
the quran is saying that jews and christians should be judging by the quran . they failed to judge by injeel, they should not fail to judge by the quran
Sahih International: And We have revealed to you, [O Muúammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
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Sahih International: And if only they upheld [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to them from their Lord, they would have consumed [provision] from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them are a moderate community, but many of them – evil is that which they do.
quran is making an argument for itself
we know it is making an argument against the gospel of john:
Sahih International: They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
so you need to judge by the quran .
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Sahih International: And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
nothing was revealed to the multiple writers who authored 27 books. the quran again is making an argument for itself.
Sahih International: And thus We have sent down to you the Qur’an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
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Sahih International: Say, [O believers], “We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
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The Qur’an is ignorant, but sincerely thought the book of the Christians was inspired and revelation.”
yhwh spoke so much that he had to take a break and refresh himself. this verse came from genesis. in ayahtul kursee the quran clearly is saying “this is not how it was in the original torah”
quran:
so all those hufaaz who were reciting pre-burnt qurans, they would have ran off, and today we would have found a quran which matches with gospel stories and ot stories, but how come we don’t ? how come two different traditions are not combined like they are in nt? for example alexandrian scribe runs off to ethiopia and adds alexandrian ideas into ethiopian text and brings in new tradition .
how comes quran escapes this problem?
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and what is funny is that peter does not even recall this incident between jesus and the pharisees.
he needs a brand new vision to prove that god made all foods clean .
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“Nevertheless, even if you think that, Matthew affirmed the substitutionary atonement in Matthew 20:28 – “the Son of Man came to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many”
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Just a thought… “Giving his life as a ransom for many” could be taken merely as a way of saying he’d let himself be seized and executed, because he knew his escape would lead to the authorities he’d angered going after his followers.
” – a clear reference to the suffering servant of Isaiah 52 and 53.”
demolished here
” And Matthew affirmed all the details of the trials and the cross and crucifixion and death and resurrection of Christ – matthew chapters 26, 27, and 28. All of that proves Islam and Surah 4:157 is wrong.”
each bible writer was disproving each other. the jesus of john tries to disprove the jesus of mark.
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LOL – Reddit ? Academic ?
ROFLOL
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lol, james white? ROFLOL
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Shabir Ally and Abdullah Kunde and Abdullah Al Andalousi and Adnan Rashid and several other Imams have deemed him worthy of debating in a respectful manner. You need to learn from those more respectful Muslims.
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LOL – Reddit ? Academic ?
so the translator just for a laugh named himself
SF2K01Scholar of Late Antique Judaism
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Learn from respectful Muslims, like Imam Musri.
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you just loled an academic scholar of judaism and talked big about james white who can’t even speak hebrew and you are telling me about respect?
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I don’t know who that is; there is no name ( I did not see anything or proof of his credentials; if I made a mistake, point me to something better on his own website or books) or anything or proof that he is a scholar. Reddit is not credible anyway; known for atheists and cursing and hatred.
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your president like to grab women and if they are married he likes to shag them
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what an irrelevant rant.
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pots and kettles
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now you need proof of the scholars qualification after you loled on him
okay hypocrite, what are james white qualifications in hebrew?
where is there any cursing in academic biblical ? any preaching , cursing or off topic stuff gets deleted.
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Recently Abdullah Kunde debated James White.
Unfortunately, the sound quality from Kunde is bad, since he missed his plane and had to do the debate by Skype.
Nevertheless, I like Abdullah Kunde, and you guys need to learn from him to be more respectul and Adab ادب (yes, we have that word in Farsi also. 😉
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Ken Temple
You said;
Nevertheless, I like Abdullah Kunde, and you guys need to learn from him to be more respectul and Adab ادب (yes, we have that word in Farsi also.
I say;
I support you my dear Brother Ken. We will learn from Abdullah. We will also advise you to stop justifying Nabeel Quraish’s lies when he clearly said, if he is still in his Islamic(Qadiani) faith, he would have travelled to Syria and fight. That is a lie by Nabeel Quraish and it is worse than Ergun Carner.
You should also stop distorting our Islamic faith i.e. “Islam force convert” while Christians are still in majority Islamic countries as indigenous and natives from centuries. When some towns were captured recently from the isis, I was surprised to see Christians and not killed by the isis and the Christian Churches were not destroyed. The crucifix was not destroyed.
What happened to the Muslim slaves in the USA? They were all force converted by their Christian masters. I have more examples where Christians annihilated other religions including themselves. I am afraid, if you continue this path of misinformation, we will have no choice but to disrespect not you but your lies.
KEN TEMPLE ALSO HAS BAD ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND NOT MUSLIMS ALONE.
Some Muslims commenters here are white Americans but you decided to laugh at our English language while the language is about your theology.
Is the Son(Jesus) who is not the Father God? Yes. One God counted
Is the Father who is not the Son a God? Yes. Two Gods counted and it is polytheism punishable in hell fire.
Let me correct you. It is respectful not respectul as you wrote. So, correct your spellings and grammar
When you type, the and made a mistake, the wordpress underline the word in red to alert you but you did not get that. It is normal but you attack our English language that is why I am stressing on your mistake.
If we make a mistake, you have to correct us and we will appreciate it like how I am correcting you here but to say you do not understand your theology in our English is something you have to learn from Abdullah and James White.
The debate is good and stressing on philosophical understanding of forgiveness. If something is paid for forgiveness then there is no forgiveness. Our God forgives free of charge.
Thanks.
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Thanks Intellect!
Sorry for the typo; thanks for catching that.
I am not justifying Nabeel Qureshi’s statement – I agree with Dr. White that he should be clearer on his former Ahmadiyeh faith.
I sincerely think he was saying that based on his understanding of the violent Hadiths, etc. Obviously, he is wrong if he was still Qadiani / Ahmadiyeh and did not also factor in all the new things he learned from the Hadith and other Islamic sources.
He says in his books that they are never taught those Hadith and when he read them, he was shocked.
But I agree he should be clearer and say he was a Ahmadiyeh more often. Sometimes he does; but too often he just says “I was a Muslim”.
I think the Islamic wars against the Byzantine Empire and Persian Empires were unjust and wrong and they conquered many countries / areas. The Dhimmi system is a kind of force and slavery because of they don’t allow evangelism and freedom to choose and freedom to leave Islam and freedom to talk to Muslims about Christ.
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“No he didn’t. That was Marks view. For the historical Jesus see Matt 23. Matthew deleted Marks claim when he wrote his gospel. Matt is more accurate.” PW
That’s odd. A few days ago you were arguing that Matthew couldn’t be trusted because he had a higher christology than Mark. Now, you say Mark can’t be trusted over Matthew?
Are you bipolar, ignorant, inconsistent or just deliberately deceitful? I think we all know who the true fundamentalist is.
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Thank you, the loving caring friendly caring so much for the poor Muslim souls missionary showing his true colors again.
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burhanuddin 1, he washes himself in blood .
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