Muhammed A Mercy: Analysing Dogs Killed In Madinah

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Kaleef K. Karim

1. Introduction
2. Hadith On Dogs Killed
3. The Understanding From Scholars On The Hadith
4. Prohibition Of killing Animals Who Are Harmless
5. Harming animals Forbidden (Haram)
6. The Command To Be Good To Animals
7. Conclusion

1. Introduction

Prophet Muhammed and dogs have been an ongoing topic among Muslim scholars for centuries. The dogs at the time of Prophet Muhammed (p) was very different to the ones we have in the Western World, fluffy and friendly like. The dogs in Arabia at the time of the Prophet (p) were very vicious and even at times would attack humans in packs. The disease among dogs was very wide spread, the people 1400 years ago did not have the medicine to cure the deadly diseases some of the dogs may have carried.

In this articles we seek to explain and give a better understanding of few reports which have…

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  1. Yup killing is always a mercy from allah. Whether it be Jews, Christians, Pagans, other Muslims, its always a mercy from allah to kill them

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    • Why did your Jesus command the slaughter of innocent children and babies in 1 Samuel 15?

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    • Thats called Justice Paul not MERCY

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    • Tell me: what crime had the babies committed that justice decreed they should be executed?

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    • Paul they where born. You need another reason lol.

      What ever the reason Paul, killing them was not a mercry like your god having cute little puppies murdered.

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    • So you have no answer. Jesus kills babies and you have nothing to say. What a sad religion you follow.

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    • I have nothing to say? Let see I said it was Justice and I said it was not mercy, and I said there sin was being born. Hmm seems like I said a lot.

      But evidently the true living God is not as merciful as the all merciful puppy slayer allah.

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    • So babies inherited someone else’s sin guilt and were killed for that. Explain how that is justice!

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    • “Paul they where born. You need another reason lol.”

      they were killed because they didn’t chose to be born human. this guy is a nutter.
      paul, he didn’t say anything about inheriting sins, the crazy christian said “they were BORN human”

      just by being born is enough to execute.

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    • puppy slayer …

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    • “Paul they where born. You need another reason lol.”

      Wow!! This is the kind of extremist thinking that motivates dehumanization of the other, genocide, ethnocide, slaughter, rape, pillage, all forms of abuse and many other atrocities. I can’t believe the commenter has the gall to call that justice.

      I hope it is a misinterpretation, but if this is what Christianity teaches it’s followers……then no thanks!!

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    • It is not what Christianity teaches. Just this looney.

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    • Why do you start crying before even you bother to read?
      Moreover, the ” true mercy and love” according to your faith that if you killed whoever you want, you would not lose your salvation since god himself died for you. There’s no obligation to kill you and applying the law of god on you whatsoever although you’re a criminal since you have been washed by the blood of the lamb.

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    • Funny you have a God that kills innocent cute little puppies because his angel will not visit the house with a dog in in it and you call that a MERCY. And then you judge God who because he pours out his judgment on a evil wicked people.

      Yah sad really just sad. But what do you expect from people who worship a puppy slayer and calls that a mercy lol.

      Did I forget to mention that your god really hated Black dogs. So it seems he was a racist puppy slayer.

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    • you care for dogs so much but care nothing for the innocent children and babies slaughtered by your deity. Sick.

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    • Thanks for the Answer, you sick piece of ***. You shed crocodile tears over dogs but not human babies.

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    • TFTA,
      The only person who seems to be an unmerciful racist hater is you. Your hateful and aggressive tone does more to harm to your cause than benefit.

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    • TFTA,
      You clearly dd not read the above article at Discover the Truth which explained the following:

      The Prophet (p) did not order to kill any dog as a result of their appearance (Black dog), or else God Almighty would not have created such a creature in the first place. As the scholars explained the “black dog” were dealt with as a result of them being the most vicious and attacking people. The Prophet (p) commanded kindness to all animals, this incident was an exception.

      It also explained the above in relation to a DISEASE CAUSED BY RABID STRAY DOGS.

      It seems your Freudian projection of racism in relation to black dogs, is more a reflection of your own twisted mind.

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    • Paul wrote…”you care for dogs so much but care nothing for the innocent children and babies slaughtered by your deity. Sick. ”

      Paul no not at all. First what gives you the right to call children of a nation that has been brought under Gods just judgment innocent?

      Do you worship a God that must first have your approval?

      Second the explanation given for allahs doggy genocide is laughable. Thats not why he ordered the dogs to be killed. He ordered them killed because allahs angel was to afraid to enter Aisha’s house because she had a little puppy.

      So tell me as a dog owner why haven’t you followed your prophet and killed your dog?

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    • Tell me: why does your deity specifically TARGET for killing “children” and “babies” and animals?

      You have failed to explain how this is just.

      It seems like you worship a monster.

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    • “Paul no not at all. First what gives you the right to call children of a nation that has been brought under Gods just judgment innocent?”

      we all know this is the greyhound aka greyhum aka graham

      we can flip his bs and say all of arabia was under judgement by God, the jews, the christians and the pagans. They were under judgement and were being JUDGED. in the bible animals get judged to .

      in the torah, the jews kill innocent animals and unborn, infants and children.
      the dog/greyhound forgot to mention that animals were put to the sword too.

      but if unborn, infants and children can be massacred, then you might as well make justification for massacring on innocent puppies, christian children, jewish children, pagan children etc etc

      but prophet of Islam didn’t kill the children of jews, pagans and christians. we wonder why ?

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    • Paul Im not like you. Im not so high and mighty, so haughty and proud that I would be so foolish as you to even dare to question God in his judgment.

      But you have a man made God who seeks, who needs your approval. So sad so sad indeed.

      So how come you have joined your prophet in the doggy blood bath?

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    • Why do you think people should follow a religion whose god ordered the slaughter of children & babies? Your claim that God is love is clearly false.

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    • “But you have a man made God who seeks, who needs your approval. So sad so sad indeed.”

      no you gentile DOG, we are using your old testament to JUDGE your god :

      Deuteronomy 1:34 When Yahweh heard what you said, he was angry and solemnly swore: 35 “Not a man of this evil generation shall see the good land I swore to give your forefathers, 36 except Caleb son of Jephunneh. He will see it, and I will give him and his descendants the land he set his feet on, because he followed Yahweh wholeheartedly.” 37 Because of you Yahweh became angry with me also and said, “You shall not enter it, either. 38 But your assistant, Joshua son of Nun, will enter it. Encourage him, because he will lead Israel to inherit it. 39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.”

      these same children would grow up to do disgusting crimes which would rattle yhwh.
      so how was your god partial?

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    • Edward said…

      “no you gentile DOG, we are using your old testament to JUDGE your god :”

      LOL yah thats what I said you JUDGE GOD.

      Isn’t that what the Shaytan did?

      Funny I bet you don’t even follow your own prophet do you?

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    • greyhound gentile animal, your bible is the product of satan. we are simply judging satan .

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    • Edward thats the second time you referred to me as a dog. Are you going to follow your prophet and show me mercy by killing me?

      How many dogs have you killed?

      Tell me do you drink camel pee as medicine when you get a tummy ache? Or fully submerge a fly in your drink if it falls in?

      Do tell us I want to see just how much you submit to your god and prophet?

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    • there is no command to kill dogs:

      “Regarding the command to kill dogs, the As-hab opined that it is permissible to kill a RABID DOG; yet, a harmless dog, irrespective of its color, MAY NOT BE KILLED. Imam al-Haramayn stated that the command to kill dogs was abrogated. It was related that the Prophet Muhammad ordered the killing of dogs. Then, that was abrogated, except for pure black dogs. And thereafter, KILLING ANY HARMLESS DOG WAS PROHIBITED. Thus, it is only permissible to kill a dog that MAY CAUSE HARM, like one with RABIES.” (Sharh Sahih Muslim volume 3, page 536 and volume 10, page 1931)

      since your god allows himself during revelation to kill unborn, children , suckling and animals, why not give the right to islam, during the period of revelation to judge jews , christians, pagans ? when God himself declares you KAFIR , you have no escape. when noah , after 900 years of preaching warned you of judgement, you had no escape. outside of revelation , one has to bear and tolerate pagans like you hoping you will change.

      jesus didn’t really care about two thousand pigs who landed on hard rocks and didn’t give a damn about the owners and caretakers of these pigs.

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    • “Tell me: why does your deity specifically TARGET for killing “children” and “babies” and animals?”

      the sick christian reasoning is like this :
      children who did no sins were guilty for being born human.it was their fault for being born to pagan parents.

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  2. this idea of “born in sin” NONSENSE IS DEMOLISHED by the bible itself :

    That children are innocents, who don’t know the difference in good and evil, was even recognized in the Bible. When the Israelites rebelled upon hearing the report of the spies whom Moses had sent ahead to Canaan, Yahweh condemned them to wander in the wilderness for 40 years until all of the adults were dead, but the children were exempted from this Yahwistic curse. In referring back to this event years later, when the Israelites were preparing to enter Canaan, Moses said that the children were spared because of their innocence.

    Deuteronomy 1:34 When Yahweh heard what you said, he was angry and solemnly swore: 35 “Not a man of this evil generation shall see the good land I swore to give your forefathers, 36 except Caleb son of Jephunneh. He will see it, and I will give him and his descendants the land he set his feet on, because he followed Yahweh wholeheartedly.” 37 Because of you Yahweh became angry with me also and said, “You shall not enter it, either. 38 But your assistant, Joshua son of Nun, will enter it. Encourage him, because he will lead Israel to inherit it. 39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.”

    Here is biblical recognition that children are innocents, who don’t know the difference in good and evil, so when Mr. Miller says that “God” again decided to “spare the innocent,” he apparently dismissed the drowning of untold hundreds or thousands of children as if it were nothing. We will see below that he tried to justify Yahweh’s killing of children in the flood, because they “undoubtedly died swiftly.”

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    • Thom,
      Great, you just proved that Muslims love a nice plate of spiced Goat and rice!!! Sahtein!!

      Wonder what the kill floor looks like for all those pigs and cows you like to eat??

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    • They stun pigs and cows before slaughter so that they don’t suffer – the goat you put in your stew died in terror and agony, and suffered like any creature would suffer if you hung them up by the feet and slit their throats allowing them to writhe in agony for up to 30 minutes while they bleed to death.

      Where’s the mercy in that?

      Bon appetite!

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    • 1. goat cannot see other goat being slaughtered
      2. god is not slaughtered hung upside down
      3. goat is slaughtered lying on its back.

      goat is not even given a chance to see the knife

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    • Thom,
      You have clearly never performed dhabiha it does not take anywhere near your overly exaggerated “30 min while writhing in agony” for the animal to bleed out and expire. If performed correctly it is very quick. There is no evidence in the above photo that the animal was hung up first before dispatching it, so you are adding a false narrative.

      There is mercy in the Islamic method, because we respect the animal by first mentioning the name of its own creator over it before dispatching it from the world for the benefit of our nourishment. If the person who slaughters the animal does not respect the animal and treat it in the best and kindest manner possible given the circumstances, then this is not according to the true spirit and intention of Islam. The Muslim mentions again the name of the almighty creator over the food and gives thanks to God for his bounty before eating or giving it in charity.

      In contrast Corporate factory slaughter houses have no mercy, and do not view the animal as a sentient being created by God at all. No prayers are offered and the name of God is not mentioned. Instead the animal is viewed as a commodity or product to be processed, packaged, sold for profit, and consumed without a even thought given to the Creator.

      It is easy for Christians like you to point an accusatory finger, while their own barbaric practices are “out of sight, out of mind.”

      I have been on a corporate factory kill floor, and believe me, it is not as pretty and clean as you would like to believe.

      Enjoy your pig sandwich.

      bon appetite!

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    • >> They stun pigs and cows before slaughter so that they don’t suffer

      Except many times they do, and many times the brain damage caused by the stunner is as fatal as a gunshot to the head. So technically the meat you eat could be carrion. Bon appetit as you say.

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    • Thom,
      Back atcha!

      Leviticus 24:16 – And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.

      Leviticus 20:13 – If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

      John 8:3-5 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned

      Deuteronomy 21:18-21
      If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

      19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

      20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

      21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

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    • Ibn Issam

      What does your post have to do with me? I should overlook the savagery of your religion because…….?

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    • Thom
      Where are you from?

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    • Abdullah,
      I have learned from the Somali brothers that a better question to ask is “Tol ma Tahay?” which means:

      Whom are you from?

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    • So Thom,

      Whom are you from? What is your religion?

      And what does your post have to do with us? You think we should be held accountable for something that a couple of misguided guys in Afghanistan did? Given the crimes of many misguided Christians, we can throw accusations like that back and forth at each other all day.

      My point was that you will have more credibility if you do not judge by double standards.

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  3. Below are pertinent points from a previous thread.

    We need to use the mind that God gave us and expects us to use.

    1. What is the percentage that a given narrator will not misunderstand what he heard his source had said? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    2. What is the percentage that you think the memory of a narrator’s narration is correct? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    3. What is the percentage that you think the narrator’s narration is free from tadlis (interpolating the name of a trustworthy transmitter or not mentioning the name or names of the discreditable transmitters) ( 99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    4. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not mention the narration thinking that the ends justifies the means (even though the content was not said by the Prophet, the Prophet would have approved it, it would do a public good, or it would correct another false narration) (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    5. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not act out of some sectarian or other self serving or group serving interest? (I realize that this question will not apply to many hadiths)

    the Qur’an identifies only itself as the direct revelation from God and the Qur’an indicates in 2(282) that all claims such as almost all the entire hadith corpus fails the requirements to be certain like the Qur’an.

    Interestingly the Prophet never commissioned any compilation of his sayings when he could have.

    I say all this for the following.

    If a very conservative Muslim gave 99% for each of the questions above then the total margin of error for a narrator would be 5%.

    Usually there are 6 or 7 narrators for hadith….I think there are some with 5 narrators also.

    Anyhow, let us use 6.

    Then we have to use the multiplicative probability rule which may appear quite simple to us but the medieval hadith scholars could not fully appreciate it since this rule was not discovered or applied until much later.

    We have to do 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 = 73.5%

    This is using the very conservative estimate of only 1% error which I assume many would say is a quite
    an underestimate.

    But even if we accept this very conservative estimate…we are still not done since we have to multiply this with the probability that the narrators have been all declared reliable. Actually since the above example is only with reliable narrators per the medieval scholars.

    However, when we open up the biographical books, there is much disagreement as to who is honest and who is not fully reliable.

    According to Professor Scott Lucas, (a convert to Islam) a world expert on hadith in his landmark book, “Constructive Critics, Hadith Literature, and the Articulation of Sunni Islam: The Legacy of the Generation of Ibn Sa’ad, Ibn Maeen and Ibn Hanbal:

    “I mentioned earlier that Ibn Ma’in graded 203 of Ibn Sa’ad’s 1105 evaluated men, and it is striking that there is agreement between the two critics in 177 cases (87%) and disagreement in only 26 of them (13%)…A comparison of the grades of Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal yields a net sample of 266 hadith-transmitters. Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal agreed over the quality of 227 of these men (85%) and disagreed over only 39 of them (15%)…”

    There were many hadith biographical critics but let us take these famous 3…I assume the agreement between all three of them would be significantly less than 85%…..let’s take 80%

    Then 0.735 (from above) x 0.80 = 0.59 or about 59%

    On top of this it is known as indicated in Professor Jonathan Brown’s book on Introduction to Hadith that the hadith scholars applied the best they could on legal hadith but they did not apply the full scrutiny that they could have on other hadith genres such as on the endtimes and on at least a few other genres…

    Thus, the reliability using the medieval conservative criteria may be about 50%…not very high…and again it may be lower since I think 99% for the questions above is quite conservative.

    So we are at roughly flipping a coin using conservative criteria and this does not even include issues in terms of the applicability of hadith to a different time and place such as ours.

    I thus ask my Christian brothers to be fair and not to treat the hadith as if it is like the Qur’an.

    And I ask my Muslim brothers who treat hadith as if they are like revelations from God that we need to be mindful of the verse:

    “So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah ,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”

    I am not at all applying this to Muslims since they “did not write” these hadith but some of them unfortunately treat them like they are almost close to the Qur’an.

    This is due to all types of historical factors which I don’t have time to go in but since we have accumulated much critical research and thought in the issues with oral transmission, with religious evolution of paradigms, with probability science, etc…we need to adjust our approach to the hadith to some degree…of course not to dismiss the hadith which would be just as bad.

    Certainly, some sahih hadith, at least in its gist message, are from the Prophet.

    Regardless, let us also remember that the Prophet’s lament on judgement day will be

    “And the Messenger has said, ‘O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur’an as [a thing] abandoned.’ ”

    (Surah 25, verse 30) The Prophet’s lament will not be on us leaving Bukhari’s compilation or any other hadith compilation but the Qur’an.

    My Christian brothers, the Qur’an defines itself as The Criteria, as preserved by God, and as a miracle that is inimitable and proof of Islam. Please read it but it can only open up to you if you keep an open mind and an open heart.

    I ask my brother in Islam for us to not let sectarian allegiance override the trust that God gave us with our intelligence and critical reasoning…let us use our mind to move ever closer to the truth…to the light of God.

    I may have made arithmetic errors above or errors in reasoning…I ask my Muslim brothers to look carefully and correct any errors I have done.

    I hope I did not offend anyone. I want to only contribute for what is good.

    Of course, only God knows best.

    As-salam alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

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  4. May Allah bless Kaleef. This brother does so much important work.

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