It’s that time of year again..

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  1. idolatry
    ʌɪˈdɒlətri/Submit
    noun
    the worship of idols.

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    form worship

    From this passage, we see two explicit themes:

    1. G-d is explicitly commanding Israel not to worship Him in any form. (Deut 4:16)

    2. G-d is explicitly commanding Israel to teach this to their children and their children’s children, even after they come to the land of Israel. (Deut 4:9-14)

    So this isn’t just a “one time deal” command, Lion…This prohibition against form worship extends to this very day!

    It is important to note that this is not simply explicit to “man made forms.” Did G-d create Adam, the first man? Yes…But WOULD G-d appear in the form of Adam? Of course not! Same thing with the “first lizard,” or the “first fish.” How do we know this? Deut 4:16! We are not to worship G-d in ANY FORM.

    Likewise, your jesus was a man. Your jesus was a form. Hashem explicitly forbids Israel from worshipping Him in ANY FORM.

    Thus, your jesus cannot be “god in the flesh.” On the contrary, your jesus is not Hashem. Hashem clearly states that it is idolatry to worship Him in any form. Thus, your worship of jesus is idolatry.

    Also keep in mind that the “sun, the moon, and the whole host of heaven,” were not “man made” either, so please do not make the pitiful argument that your jeezer is immune to this prohibition because he is supposedly “uncreated.” (Which you have no means of proving.) A form is a form is a form!

    At the end of the day, Deut 4:9-19 what we are to go by. If you wish to eisegetically abuse scripture and assume that “let us make man in our image” refers to your jeezer, then that’s your idolatrous prerogative.

    G-d gave Israel explicit instructions not to worship Him in ANY FORM. Deut 4:9-19 isn’t going away…Sorry!

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  2. There was a news story in my city, which reported that someone had stolen the baby Jesus from the nativity scene displayed outside in front of a poor woman’s house. She decried the foul criminal act by saying, “how can we celebrate Christmas without baby Jesus?!” and further lamented that, “what is the sense in displaying Mary and Joseph without baby Jesus?!”

    The woman seemed to truly believe that since someone had stolen her God baby, and there was no benefit in celebrating the holiday as it was pointless. She could not seem to separate real Prophet Jesus from a gaudy, tacky looking, cheap plastic imitation, nor did she consider it a sacrilege to set up an Idol upon her front lawn where her “God” along with Joseph and Mary would be in danger of being disrespected or desecrated by those with ill intentions.

    How many more pitiful souls like her have been misled by Christian innovation and Idolatry?

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    • “No; because no human being could come up with these mysterious truths that confound your mind. It is God’s revelation of Himself; not man seeking to understand God or make God more understandable.”

      the pagan religions inspired your religion.
      how many gods took on human form to connect with the people?

      quote:

      In response, an anonymous poet wrote a hymn celebrating the actions and character of Demetrius, associating him with the great goddess of Greece, Demeter. Here is an extract of his hymn:

      The greatest among the gods have drawn close to our city…

      Both Demeter and Demetrius…

      Hail to you, O Son of the mighty god Poseidon and of Aphrodite.

      The other gods dwell so far away,

      or else they have no ears,

      or they do not exist, or do not care at all about us

      We see you in our midst,

      not a wooden or stone presence, but bodily

      And so we pray to you… bring about peace

      for you are the Lord (κύριος)

      Notice what is said of Demetrius. He is one of the “greatest gods,” the son of God” (specifically of the gods Poseidon and Aphrodite), one who is “near” his own people – not remote, off on Mount Olympus, the one who “brings peace,” who can be called “Lord.”

      These ascriptions to Demetrius should sound familiar to anyone who knows about early Christianity, where Jesus too was known as the incarnation of a divine being, the Son of God, the bringer of peace, the Lord, and God in the flesh. My ultimate point: Jesus was not the first to be called such things, or thought to be a kind of incarnation of the divine. He had predecessors.

      + The gods in Greek and Roman thought were considered to be superhuman. Unlike, say, the (animal-shaped) gods of Egypt, the Greek and Roman gods were literally in human form. When they appeared here on earth to humans they were often “bigger than life,” but they could assume regular human form when they wanted to and they were human-shaped even when attending to their heavenly duties. In the Greek and Roman myths, they acted in human ways, they experienced the range of human emotions, they manifested human foibles, and so on.

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      Jeremiah 2:5New International Version (NIV)

      5 This is what the Lord says:
      “What fault did your ancestors find in me,
      that they strayed so far from me?
      They followed worthless idols
      and became worthless themselves.

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    • ” It is God’s revelation of Himself; not man seeking to understand God or make God more understandable”

      jesus had a wound in his side and was poked by thomas.

      judaism :
      If you read what the pagans wrote about the Jews, it wasn’t the Jews’ monotheism that they found odd. It’s the fact that the Jewish temple had no god inside of it. That is to say, the Jews didn’t represent their god with some form of statue or image. The Holy of Holies in the Temple was literally empty. The notion of an all-powerful Creator godhead wasn’t that odd to the pagans. The lack of a physical representation is what the pagans found odd.

      can you explain why thomas would not have become a pagan the moment he assumed that an injured man before him was yhwh?

      thomas spat at judaism in his time IF he had done the action of worshipping a wounded creature.

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  3. Jeremiah 2:5New International Version (NIV)

    5 This is what the Lord says:
    “What fault did your ancestors find in me,
    that they strayed so far from me?
    They followed worthless idols
    and became worthless themselves.

    quote:

    because God is the ultimate source of provision, mercy, forgiveness, etc., when it comes to prayer He should be asked directly

    He does not require an intermediary because He directly hears, sees, and has full knowledge and control over all that happens while relying on an intermediary can result in putting tawakkul in, attributing powers to, and even worshiping that intermediary instead of God Himself

    that was the same argument the pagans and Christians made for using idols or saints as intercessors
    the Qur’an responds that God is closer to you than your jugular vein meaning even though He is transcendent, He is also imminent through His knowledge and compassion for His creatures

    it’s very simple – therefore you don’t need intermediaries, God to become incarnate, etc.

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  4. idolatry
    ʌɪˈdɒlətri/Submit
    noun
    the worship of idols.
    synonyms: idol worship, idolatrism, fetishism, iconolatry, icon worship; More
    extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone.

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  5. the boy is god but the women who carried him isn’t ?

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    Theotokos (Greek Θεοτόκος Greek pronunciation: [θeoˈtokos]) is a title of Mary, mother of Jesus, used especially in Eastern Christianity. The usual Latin translations, Dei Genetrix or Deipara (approximately “parent (fem.) of God”), are translated as “Mother of God” or “God-bearer”.

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  6. what belief in “man-god” opens up to :

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  7. don’t worship the hosts of heaven say the jews :

    Did you ever think to check Deuteronomy 4:19 and how the WHOLE HOST OF HEAVEN is prohibited from being worshiped by G-d Himself?!

    Deut 4:19. And lest you lift up your eyes to heaven, and see the sun, and the moon, and the stars, all the host (צְבָא) of heaven, which the Lord your God assigned to all peoples under the entire heaven, and be drawn away to prostrate yourselves before them and worship them.

    This utterly destroys any attempt by you or anyone else who wants to insist that the angel described in Joshua 5:14 is actually a “preincarnatejesus angel.” The angel is described as “the captain of the Lord’s **HOST.*” Literally, the same Hebrew word for “host” (צְבָא) is used in Deuteronomy 4:19 concerning the prohibition of the worship of ALL THE **HOST (צְבָא)** OF HEAVEN. This prohibition obviously includes the “captain of the Lord’s HOST (צְבָא)” mentioned in Joshua 5:14. This means that the “captain of the Lord’s HOST (צְבָא)” mentioned in Joshua 5:14 cannot be G-d!

    So anyone like you who tries to say that this refers to their “pre incarnate jesus” will have to answer to Gd when He makes it abundantly clear that it is idolatry to worship any of His heavenly host in Deuteronomy 4:19!

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  8. :::::::::::deu 4::::::::::::::::

    Deuteronomy 4 reminds us that we are to worship God only as He appeared to us at Sinai and that we are to never, ever, ever, ever associate Him with any physical form (by the way, I’m paraphrasing). Jesus did not appear to us at Sinai and he has a physical form; ergo, worship of him is forbidden.

    Deuteronomy 13 teaches us that if a prophet produces a miracle and then introduces a new type of worship, he is a false prophet. Jesus introduced a type of worship unknown to our fathers; ergo, his miracles are meaningless and he is a false prophet.

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    If you read what the pagans wrote about the Jews, it wasn’t the Jews’ monotheism that they found odd. It’s the fact that the Jewish temple had no god inside of it. That is to say, the Jews didn’t represent their god with some form of statue or image. The Holy of Holies in the Temple was literally empty. The notion of an all-powerful Creator godhead wasn’t that odd to the pagans. The lack of a physical representation is what the pagans found odd.

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