Missionary madness

Militant missionary Tony Costa sheepishly agrees in a blunt one word answer that in his religion (Trinitarianism) Jesus ordered the killing of babies and children. The appalling genocide is commanded in 1 Samuel 15:

“Go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

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Categories: Bible, Missionaries

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  1. quote :
    If they could be required, over-night, to stop committing incest, or temple prostitution, why couldn’t they be asked overnight to stop killing children in com-bat?

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  2. if torah punishment rules could be applied on children then they could have applied to sick and disabled too.

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  3. Hey
    Who took out all the women and children in the flood?

    Who took out all the women and children in Sodom Gormorrah?..

    The Amalekites were involved in sex with animals and child sacrifice and much more.

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    • you again?
      the amalekite were involved in raping animals so yhwh told the hebrews to rape animals and children?

      define rape

      3.
      an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
      the rape of the countryside.

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    • so you f*8k up unborn, infants and suckling because some of them were practicing rape of animal?

      sacrifice of children?

      the kenites were doing similar shit like this, but saul tells them to go. so it clearly wasn’t because of your lies; it was a grudge.

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    • Who took out all the women and children in the flood?

      Who took out all the women and children in Sodom Gormorrah?..”

      you belong to a sick religion man. think about the fact that the shedding of blood and the instrument/tool which nailed your god is central to your religion. you people live and breath violence. you need to come to peace.

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    • Hi Mr Heathcliff
      I belong to a sick religion??? You have no idea what I believe I know a fair about Christianity and I’m talking to Muslims.

      God is the one who judges mankind do you have a problem with that?

      Do you have a problem with Allah throwing people into hell fire?

      Peace??? You are having a laugh.

      How many battles was your prophet involved in?

      How many battles was Jesus involved in?

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      Who took out all the women and children in the flood?

      Who took out all the women and children in Sodom Gormorrah?..

      jews and christians who sided with the pagans against muhammad were rightly punished, but they were not blotted out. can you see the love and mercy in not blotting out your people , your children, unborn and suckling ?

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    • lol,what did the donkeys do?

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    • quote:
      I belong to a sick religion??? You have no idea what I believe I know a fair about Christianity and I’m talking to Muslims.

      God is the one who judges mankind do you have a problem with that?

      Do you have a problem with Allah throwing people into hell fire?

      Peace??? You are having a laugh.

      How many battles was your prophet involved in?

      How many battles was Jesus involved in?

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      jesus thought he was going to come back and burn people to death
      it is called “defered violence”

      Deuteronomy 32.43: “Praise his people, O you nations; for he avenges the blood of his servants.”

      he was practicing something like what noah did for 600 + years until when god punished the people

      turning the other cheek is not unique to jesus and within his years he did local violence and his public hate of pharisees.

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    • “ol,what did the donkeys do?”

      according to “dc” they were humping the animals so humped animals have no right to live

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    • brother dc, tell the truth, you don’t really have a problem with a hebrew ripping a belly of a woman and then slicing the unborn, do you ?

      who knows, these women probably were raped before they were slaughtered . in bc times, what were soldiers doing to women ?

      be honest and consistent

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    • you like to graphically imagine the crucifixion of your god, so all i am asking you to do is graphically imagine the cutting open of a 9 month pregnant woman.

      can you see the love and mercy of your lord ?

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    • So how do you reconcile that the Israelites had “sex” with prepubescent females in Numbers 31:17-18?

      https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/07/a-detailed-historical-examination-of-numbers-3118/

      Why didn’t your god punish these for doing these heinous crimes against these girls?

      I should make my position clear, I do NOT believe this verse to be from God. I personally believe men inserted it into the Bible. God in all his Mercy would NOT command the things described.

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  4. Why are you so concerned about Israel and the Amalekites? Is that anything to do with Jesus and what he taught?

    If God gives an order to deal with a certain people and Israel it is the same as when Israel sinned against God and Babylon came knocking and they went into captivity.

    720BC taken into captivity by the Assyrians
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    70AD Romans kill about a millions Jews.

    Read the scriptures properly you will see that God has judged his own people as well as others

    2 Kings 8:12 Elisha prophesies what will happen to Gods people…this is an evil not commanded by God but what man will do of his accord.

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    • “Read the scriptures properly you will see that God has judged his own people as well as others”

      yeah, god judged them . they worshiped idols , made love to animals and did worse than the nations yhwh drove out.
      they were punished for not keeping commandments yhwh knew they couldn’t keep

      you are right , god judged them good for practicing everything you accused the amalekites of practicing .

      your god is very partial

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    • “Why are you so concerned about Israel and the Amalekites? Is that anything to do with Jesus and what he taught?”

      jesus was pro old covenant . read his parables and how he makes use of old covenant.
      do you agree with costa that jesus told the hebrews to open up 9 month pregnant women?

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    • No I dont is that what the bible says they did?

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    • “No I dont is that what the bible says they did?”

      you tell me. where the women on anti-pregnancy pills?

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    • Heathcliff
      Who is the owner of every life on the earth? It is obviously the creator i was told by muslims many times that life is a test so from your persoective why do humans die

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    • Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

      4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. 6 Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites.

      7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.

      the lord told saul to do a lot of unborn killing that day. from one location to the other to the other ….

      were all the women on anti-pregnancy pills?

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  5. heathcliff you didn’t answer me about the flood and Sodom who was responsible for killing all those lives?

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    • you are a trinitarian so i guess all 3 persons were involved in drowning and firing brimstone.

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    • You dont believe in the trinity and these are historical events so is allah going to take responsibility as god?

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    • but you believe in trinity, so was jesus with the other persons drowning and firing brimstone?

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    • It doesnt matter what i believe you along with all the other muslims keep making accusations when you dont even know where a person is coming from.

      I didnt tell anyone what i was and because i know the bible it does not mean I’m.a christian or that I believe in the trinity.

      You try to make a case against Christians when the Amalekites were taken out by the Jews and in their defence the Amalekites on numerous occasions were attacking them even without cause.

      So you are there complaining about the Amalekites young and old being taken out.

      Long after King Saul the Amalekites are still.attacking Israel so what are they supposed to do.

      My question to you is who is going to judge everyone and those worthy of hell to hell fire.

      You talk about women and children as though all are innocent women in some cases are more wicked and dangerous than men.

      But you believe what you want.

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    • “I didnt tell anyone what i was and because i know the bible it does not mean I’m.a christian or that I believe in the trinity.”

      you are not a christian?


      You try to make a case against Christians when the Amalekites were taken out by the Jews and in their defence the Amalekites on numerous occasions were attacking them even without cause.”

      in each of those attacks god used the amalekites to attack the jews

      god punished the jews through the amaleks hands

      but your god commanded the plunder of women who were probably ranging from 1-9 months of pregnancy


      So you are there complaining about the Amalekites young and old being taken out.”

      yeah so is paul williams


      Long after King Saul the Amalekites are still.attacking Israel so what are they supposed to do.”

      just fight the attackers not unborn and infant


      My question to you is who is going to judge everyone and those worthy of hell to hell fire.”

      God judges everyone


      You talk about women and children as though all are innocent women in some cases are more wicked and dangerous than men.”

      did the children carry swords?

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    • Which takes me back to my original point what is the difference between God bringing through a floiod a fire or the hands a man?

      You have an issue with the way God judges mankind.

      God killed men women and children in.the flood why dont you tell God he is wrong in his judgement.

      God killed men women and children in sodom why dont you tell God he is wrong in his judgement of sin in that event.

      God used an Angel to kill 185,000 army you have a problem with that too?

      God judges mankind how he sees fit.

      We live in a sinful world and you want things to be done according to your rules or what you see as morally right.

      God will say to you “who are you o man to dictate to me”

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    • “ou see heathcliff i didnt mention any words attacking you personally”

      your bible puts a sickness in your pagan man worshipping heart .


      I spoke about the sins of the Amalekites to give you an understanding of how they treated their children and you took to mean that i said they dont care about their chikdren or show emotion.”

      And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

      you clearly don’t give a shit. you have your god ordering the hebrews to go out and kill 1-9 month unborn children . your book acknowledges that children know no sin, so why would god tell the hebrews to KILL of amalekite CHILDREN if the amalekites were sacrificing them?

      where is the logic in that?

      DID god tell saul to KILL the kennites?

      “So answer me now when they sacrificed their chikdren in worship to their false god how did they do it?”

      yhwhs chosen ones had their god giving them morals .
      he wanted them to be different than the nations around them, but lets answer your bs

      if they were wildly sacrificing their own children, they would have destroyed their own race

      so they couldn’t have been doing the shit you accused them off

      lets use the bible to inform you about sacrifices

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      Second, while it’s true that “is” does not necessarily equal
      “ought,” the assumption the text maintains is that because Yahweh
      gave him victory, Jephthah now ought to sacrifice his daughter.
      He didn’t lament having to sacrifice a human being; he lamented
      having to sacrifice his beloved daughter, and understandably
      so. But that’s the point that’s implicit in the text. Yahweh
      wants real sacrifices, not easy sacrifices. Child sacrifice was considered
      noble in this world precisely because it was the greatest
      possible sacrifice that could be made. Children who were made
      subject to sacrifice weren’t despised by their parents; they were
      beloved. Sacrificing them was very hard, and that’s precisely the
      point. That’s what the ancient deities wanted—hard sacrifices. So
      when the story goes that Jephthah lamented having to sacrifice
      his daughter, that is the point of the text. Yahweh required a real
      sacrifice, and it hurt Jephthah, just as it was supposed to. But as
      Jephthah’s own daughter said, the bigger picture was the security
      of Israel, and she was happy to sacrifice herself for that cause.

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      so it seems that these ancient near eastern gods required hard sacrifices which would jab a person right in his heart

      your god was involved in human sacrifice too.

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      And child sacrifice! Right. Aside from the fact that Israelites
      performed child sacrifices to Yahweh too, up until the seventh
      century when it was condemned by Jeremiah and Josiah, let’s
      consider this. In order to punish Canaanites for sacrificing a few
      of their children (child sacrifice was exceptional anywhere it was
      practiced), Yahweh ordered Israelites to kill all of their children.
      Sounds reasonable.

      so do you see your pathetic double standards?

      you are INDIRECTLY condemning your god.


      If you love your children you will not worship a god by killing them or would you?”

      no, i would not obey the command to rip open 1-9 month old pregnant women. i do not agree with your pagan god. i would judge and condemn your god like all of humanity, except christians, have done.


      And by the way I have a dad so dont try to disrespect with words it doesnt work”

      yeah right.

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  6. your god commanded the ripping open of 9 month pregnant women. from one location to the other to the other.

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  7. “Who is the owner of every life on the earth? It is obviously the creator i was told by muslims many times that life is a test so from your persoective why do humans die”

    okay, did the owner of life tell saul to take out pregnant women who were ranging from 1 -9 months of pregnancy ?

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    • was jesus “one ” with the father when he told saul to plunder pregnant women ?

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    • Do you have an issue with pregnant women or something.

      If you knew anything about the Amalekites you would know these people sacrificed their children to their false god. Losing their children to soldiers of Israel would not cause to bat an eyelid.

      They were into sex with animals are you guys into that I read something quite interesting just recently.

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  8. LOl no what is madness is that you Muslims presume to judge God.

    Paul and other Muslims, what right do you have to judge God?

    Do tell us why God can not order the total and complete destruction of an entire nation, even woman and children and live stock etc.. in order to demonstrate his wrath on a wicked and corrupt people?

    You Muslims claim that you are “Submitter” well do tell us if God or an established prophet of God ordered you to kill woman and children from a wicked and evil nation would you Submit to your God?

    Paul I have asked you these questions every time you bring up this foolishness and every time you fail to answer. But I will continue to ask every time you bring this up to expose your Hypocrisy.

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    • “Do tell us why God can not order the total and complete destruction of an entire nation, even woman and children and live stock etc.. in order to demonstrate his wrath on a wicked and corrupt people?

      You Muslims claim that you are “Submitter” well do tell us if God or an established prophet of God ordered you to kill woman and children from a wicked and evil nation would you Submit to your God?”

      God judged the jews and christians in the time of Muhammad because they sided with the pagans to OUST the muslims

      WHO are you to judge god you man worshiping/idol worshiping / baby worshiping pagan fanatic?

      are you the christian terrorist robert wells?

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    • Mr H you confuse me with a Muslim I don’t judge God.

      So you admit that Mohamed committed genocide in the Arabian desert. Thats good very good.

      What is a Christian terrorist?

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    • Merry Christmas Kmac

      Unfortunately, Christmas traced its roots from pagan practice not Jesus Christ and God has nothing to do with it.

      You blame other peoples God for killing people. If you believed what you have said, you will never blame other peoples God of killing people.

      When the table is turn on you, you start to make excuses.

      I your case you worship man(Jesus) and a man has no right to take other peoples lives especially infants and livestock who do not know right or wrong.

      Thanks.

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    • Intellect you try so hard. But that just means you fail even harder.

      Really respond to the questions or remain silent

      Thank you

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  9. “Do you have an issue with pregnant women or something.”

    no, but beth groves does.

    “If you knew anything about the Amalekites you would know these people sacrificed their children to their false god. Losing their children to soldiers of Israel would not cause to bat an eyelid.”

    so yhwh took the advantage of taking them all out because ” losing their children to soldiers of israel…”

    you are speaking like a heartless bastard

    you have no evidence that this would have been the case

    so the woman was carrying the child in her womb only to welcome hebrews to slice open the stomach and say “thanks mate ” ?


    They were into sex with animals are you guys into that I read something quite interesting just recently.”

    naah that was probably your priest reading some magazine and sharing with you something .

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    • You see heathcliff i didnt mention any words attacking you personally

      I spoke about the sins of the Amalekites to give you an understanding of how they treated their children and you took to mean that i said they dont care about their chikdren or show emotion.

      So answer me now when they sacrificed their chikdren in worship to their false god how did they do it?

      If you love your children you will not worship a god by killing them or would you?

      And by the way I have a dad so dont try to disrespect with words it doesnt work

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  10. anyway nice chatting with you dc, you reveal what kind of hypocrite you are.
    bye

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    You blame other peoples God for killing people. If you believed what you have said, you will never blame other peoples God of killing people.

    When the table is turn on you, you start to make excuses.

    brother intellect, check out this response :

    “Losing their children to soldiers of Israel would not cause to bat an eyelid.”

    quote:
    bat an eyelid
    To display a subtle emotional reaction, such as consternation, annoyance, sadness, joy, etc. Generally used in the negative to denote that the person in question did not display even a hint of an emotional response. Mary didn’t even bat an eyelid when I told her I was moving out. That guy is dangerous. I heard he killed a man without batting an eyelid.

    you see brother intellect the sickness the bible puts in ones heart?

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  12. Christians often become defensive when these horrible verses of Bible are shown to them. They try to muffle two different thing

    *Act of God: God gives takes life on daily basis. Visit any hospital, hospice care, thousands and thousand of people die every day.

    *However he has prohibited us from taking a human’s life. When we do that it is called murder.

    The Christian argues, but what if God asks a group of his people to slaughter people? Then isn’t that justified. Well if God wants to take life of people, he simply sends death upon them. He doesn’t use us for this purpose. ]Because if he does once, who is to say what Hitler did is wrong. He tool can claim he was doing God’s will order.

    Things that are legitimate for God;s angels ( through whom he takes life of people on daily basis) is not legit for us human. Fro us human he has prohibited to take human life. Thou shall not kill.

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    • Hi
      Horrible verses yeah they are and they reveal how wicked man is on the earth.

      No one is bring defensive first of all the text quoted is Jewish and its historical we dont try to hide or change history like the followers of Muhammad.

      We know your book is not real for many reasons and the Hadiths are for the most part nonsense compiled at 200 years after Muhammad.

      Lets be frank the Arabs were a bunch of dunce people running around in the desert.
      And the language developed from the Nabatean alphabet so please stop all this talk about being original

      And in their thirst to conquer stole lots of works out of the libraries of Alexandria and other places, hiring scribes and translating those literary works in Arabic

      And start claiming how they were the intelligent people.
      The house of wisdom in Baghdad

      Stop acting like Muslims were peaceful and didnt invade anyone, somehow the Spanish came all the way to Arabia and attack the Muslims…is that what happened?

      All you guys do attack the bible as much as you can even attack Jesus if you can and the doctrines of the bible.

      Heathcliff calls me hypocrite why? Maybe because he cant answer my questions in regards to God judging men.

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    • “We know your book is not real for many reasons and the Hadiths are for the most part nonsense compiled at 200 years after Muhammad.”

      what is the gap between the amalekite massacre and first available manuscript of it ?

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    • Why dont you work out the earliest manuscript to the event in question

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    • There is nothing for Christians to be defensive about. 1 Samuel 15 is not a command that we have to follow, and it is certainly not an example to be followed or all time. BY contrast quranic and hadithic commands to kill non-believers are easily interpreted to be ongoing commands.

      Worse, Allah does not condemn 1 Samuel 15 – either he did not know about it or he condones it.

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    • But why would your Jesus kill children and babies?

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    • Who am I to judge god and his judgements? 1 Samuel 15 is a bigger problem for Islam because Allah has not condemned it, but you guys think it should be.

      DO you condemn allah for commanding death?

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    • God has given clear that children are not to be killed in warfare. Why is your Jesus so evil?

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    • Allah is not god, so his proclamations are irrelevant.

      Jesus is god, and his judgements are divine and are impervious to human judgements and 7th century man-made arabian moral codes.

      God can judge infants because all fall short compared to the glory and purity of god. You are committing shirk by claiming infants have enough purity to be in god’s presence – you equate their infancy with divine purity. Only god is pure.

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    • “god can judge infants because all fall short compared to the glory and purity of god. You are committing shirk by claiming infants have enough purity to be in god’s presence – you equate their infancy with divine purity. Only god is pure.”

      god created a meat for himself, hid in it as “fully god” and did not see that he is committing shirk because people would be dependant on the meat (peter poking the meat and calling it “my lord and my god) ?

      wasn’t jesus’ meat CREATED lol?

      i quote :

      quote:
      Who made Moses, a killer, “Holy enough” to enter God’s presence? We know he did, so how did he do that without Jesus? Furthermore, how did he do that “through works”, if his works were not perfect? The temple priests “entered into the presence of God”

      lol

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    • You’re not making any sense.

      Allah is clearly not god – mohammed mistook one of his angels for a demon – and the quran is the work of an ignorant 7th century arabian nomad who had absolutely no idea that there was such a book as 1 Samuel 15.

      If allah is god and then his words should clearly show him condemning 1 Samuel 15. So muslims condemn their own faux god by condemning 1 samuel 15.

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    • lol what a load of crap 💩

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    • “you equate their infancy with divine purity”

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      God has given clear that children are not to be killed in warfare. Why is your Jesus so evil?

      your evil jesus did not see that unborn are pure enough even though they were unborn ?

      jesus was born of a woman too. and he was born in sin

      not only was he born in sin, but he inherited the sins from his mother.

      so herod had every right to slaughter jesus just as he slaughtered the infants up to 2 years old.

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  13. Tony just destroyed Jay Smith’s and David Wood’s “ministries” wit that admission about Trinitarianism.

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    • Hey.
      One mans comment doesnt destroy anything. If you guys dont believe in the trinity then just move on because someone is going to be wrong.

      Maybe you can explain how Jesus being involved in Old Testament judgement or commands destroys the doctrine of the trinity.

      The Word of God ( The Son) existed back then but there was no Jesus back then, the name Jesus was given when the Word of God (The Son) took on flesh in the new testament.

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  14. Where does allah condemn 1 Samuel 15?

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  15. “Which takes me back to my original point what is the difference between God bringing through a floiod a fire or the hands a man?

    You have an issue with the way God judges mankind.

    God killed men women and children in.the flood why dont you tell God he is wrong in his judgement.”

    well, i will tell you why your god is wrong in his judgement.

    is god drowning through his own power the same as god commanding a mortal to go and rip open a unborn?

    so was god influenced by the cananite sacrificial practices?

    i quoted earlier :

    If they could be required, over-night, to stop committing incest, or temple prostitution, why couldn’t they be asked overnight to stop killing children in com-bat?

    so why not?

    you do know that you have no moral standard now because if baby killing is justified and children know no sin according to your bible:

    And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

    you do know that christian hypocrites like you who attack Muhammad have no justification now because in your heart you justified baby killing because “god judges”

    just plug in “god judges” even if the killing was not commanded by god .

    “God killed men women and children in sodom why dont you tell God he is wrong in his judgement of sin in that event.

    God used an Angel to kill 185,000 army you have a problem with that too?”

    this is why i said that you people have no moral standard. you have justified the killing of unborn and innocent because you have used sodom and the flood to justify the SLAYING of 1-9 months pregnant women

    you have no moral standing .

    you can’t JUDGE a text of a people who believe is from GOD when that texts calls for revenge on jews , christians and pagans who tried to oust the muslims.

    you have to be consistent.


    God judges mankind how he sees fit.”

    yeah, he , according to your book tells the jews to go out and SLAY 1-9 months pregnant women

    “We live in a sinful world and you want things to be done according to your rules or what you see as morally right.”

    yeah, children who know no sin according to your own bible were taken out and slaughtered .


    God will say to you “who are you o man to dictate to me”

    i am the judge of your lord. like the jews judged him .

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  16. define moral standard

    1 concerned with or relating to human behaviour, esp. the distinction between good and bad or right and wrong behaviour. … 2 adhering to conventionally accepted standards of conduct. 3 based on a sense of right and wrong according to conscience. moral courage, moral law.

    …….

    please, we do not want to hear christian telling us about what is bad and good.

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  17. “Which takes me back to my original point what is the difference between God bringing through a floiod a fire or the hands a man?

    You have an issue with the way God judges mankind.

    God killed men women and children in.the flood why dont you tell God he is wrong in his judgement.”

    no, i am only asking you why does your god change with times. why does he have a sell by date on what is good and what is bad.

    the children did not live by the sword

    God destroying through natural disasters is completely different than God commanding sinners (remember sinners don’t have gods presence in your religion ) to rip out 1-9 pregnant women.

    God is getting satisfied through the works of human beings who would take the land and practice worse than the amalekites

    so your god is called out for his hypocrisy

    the children according to your own bible know no sin.

    children die even today and people go into places and rip open women even today yet why is it immoral when people rip open women today, but not immoral when hebrews did it in the past?

    if one can use “god judges” one can use this to justify any practice.

    there is no longer any point to create any moral standard .

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    • so do you admit that the 3 persons in trinity commanding something bad like

      ripping open 1-9 months fetus ?

      quote:

      Saul defeated
      the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
      which is east of Egypt

      quote:
      do not spare
      them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

      so jesus, your god COMMANDED the location to location MASSACRE of a people, right?

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    • Hi Heathcliff
      Is Allah responsible for people leaving this life? In Islam who is responsible?
      Is it not true things dont happen unless Allah wills it?

      We ask the same thing of your god.

      All the murders…rapes…incest…robbery etc dont happen unless Allah wills it is that correct?

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  18. Hi Heathcliff
    You said this…the children according to your own bible know no sin.

    Quote me a few scriptures

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  19. quote:
    Hi Heathcliff
    Is Allah responsible for people leaving this life? In Islam who is responsible?
    Is it not true things dont happen unless Allah wills it?

    We ask the same thing of your god.

    All the murders…rapes…incest…robbery etc dont happen unless Allah wills it is that correct?

    end quote

    any rapist who went and choose to rape made a CHOICE before he went and raped. God did not force him.

    everyone made a CHOICE.

    when the hebrew went and ripped open 1-9 month pregnant women from
    these locations :

    Saul defeated
    the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
    which is east of Egypt

    quote:
    do not spare
    them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

    God did not FORCE them to do this, they did it and made their own choice.

    do you see the difference?

    does jesus, your god COMMAND the ripping open of 1-9 month pregnant women in the above locations?

    don’t be a dirty hypocrite and answer the question.

    “You said this…the children according to your own bible know no sin.”

    do you have some mental disability problem?

    And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

    similar language is used for the child in isaiah

    He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

    so before this time he doesn’t even know wrong and right i.e innocent

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    • The question was about the will of Allah…nothing can happen unless Allah wills it

      Is that right or wrong?

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    • does a pagan like you believe in other “willers” beside yhwh ?

      what has any of this got to do with jesus, your god COMMANDING the ripping open of 1-9 month pregnant women ?

      when did God in the quran COMMAND the ripping open of pregnant women?

      people CHOOSE to act out evil does not mean GOD forced them to do it.

      on the other hand, jesus commanded the ripping out of fetus from 1-9 month pregnant women

      your hypocrite jesus @ the same time knew children were INNOcent

      quote:

      And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

      similar language is used for the child in isaiah

      He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

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    • Lets start again…nothing happens unless Allah wills it is that right or wrong

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    • look, i think you are a mental retard and you are ashamed of your jesus giving the command to rip open pregnant women from these locations

      quote:

      Saul defeated
      the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
      which is east of Egypt

      quote:
      do not spare
      them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

      what has the WILL of Allah got to do with the CRIMES of jesus?

      that God did not compel the PERSON TO DO THE EVIL DEED like BABY SLAYING , that GOd did not FORCE the person to do the act means the person will be held responsible .

      WILL does not MEAN COMPELLING THE PERSON to COMMIT evil

      on the other hand, jesus COMMANDED RIPPING OUT baby from women ranging from 1-9 month of pregnancy

      i know jesus’ commands are evil and hurtful to you .

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  20. dc, does “jesus” COMMAND the ripping open of 1-9 month pregnant women from these locations :

    quote:

    Saul defeated
    the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
    which is east of Egypt

    quote:
    do not spare
    them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

    a yes would be fine.

    just a simple yes .

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  21. a simple yes will do. did jesus COMMAND the ripping open of 1-9 month pregnant women from these locations :

    Saul defeated
    the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
    which is east of Egypt

    quote:
    do not spare
    them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

    ???

    remember, the bible says children don’t know good from bad

    quote:

    And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

    similar language is used for the child in isaiah

    He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

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  22. “defend christ” is clearly ashamed of jesus and his deeds
    “defend christ” this is what jesus says about chistians like you

    you will be cast into a furnace for being ashamed of jesus

    so i will ask for the final time

    a simple yes will do. did jesus COMMAND the ripping open of 1-9 month pregnant women from these locations :

    Saul defeated
    the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
    which is east of Egypt

    quote:
    do not spare
    them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

    ???

    remember, the bible says children don’t know good from bad

    quote:

    And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

    similar language is used for the child in isaiah

    He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

    A SIMPLE YES WILL DO

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  23. hey dc , lets get philosophical

    since you believe in 3 person in god, then does that mean that the action of killing the babies was gods creative action or was it humans willing their own actions?

    does that mean humans are creators and god is a creator i.e two creators?

    did god COMMAND and create the ripping OPEN of female stomachs and ripping open the fetus in the womb from these locations

    Saul defeated
    the Amalekites, from Havilah as far as Shur,
    which is east of Egypt

    quote:
    do not spare
    them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant,

    so was your commander and chief involved in the creative act of violently ripping out the unborn?

    a simple yes or no would be fine.

    if you believe this, then you have no STANDARD to judge any ones religion.

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  24. Hi Heathcliff
    I have asked you a number of times if things happen according to will of Allah…in other words nothing happen but by the will of Allah

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  25. Hey Heathcliff

    What does this verse mean?

    Say: “Nothing shall ever happen to us except what Allah has ordained for us. He is our Mawla (protector).” And in Allah let the believers put their trust.)

    Quran (Surah Tawba, Verse 51)

    What does this mean is it for believers only or for all mankind?

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