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  1. there is no space for saint between god and servant.

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  2. Allah cannot enter his own creation, therefore, he cannot be closer to man than his jugular. Either the quran is wrong, or islamic theology is un-quranic..

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    • Kev… God has access to the privacy of your mind where you most inner thoughts lie… 🙂

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    • Omar

      “Kev… God has access to the privacy of your mind where you most inner thoughts lie…”

      Oh, the special pleading theology. Your thoughts have physical properties which means allah has no access to them.

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      Your thoughts have physical properties which means allah has no access to them.

      are you saying that God has no access to what He himself created and controls and has power to destroy and bring back into existence?

      are you saying that which did not EXIST before God did not know of because God Himself is not physical?

      by your crack induced reasoning, this implies when the triplets in trinity existed before creating ANYTHING , they had no access to the minds of people BEFORE the minds even existed.

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    • hey greyhound , can you tell me if you can touch, taste, smell and hear God right now?

      do you have physical feelings of your god greyhound?

      does your god physically feel you greyhound?

      can you tell me how does a god make himself KNOWN by taking on human ATTRIBUTES?

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    • can you tell me how does a god make himself known about his invisible self when he himself is material and physical and CREATED and MAN handled and PIERCED and murdered and TAKEN out by a few nails?

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    • heathcliff

      “are you saying that God has no access to what He himself created and controls and has power to destroy and bring back into existence?”

      That’s the muslim argument – allah cannot enter his own creation, and is dependent on his creatures to get messages to his creation.

      You are the guys who insist that the infinite and the finite are incompatible and allah cannot cross that barrier. Thoughts have physical properties which mean that they are inaccessible to allah because he is infinite. Don’t blame me, blame your absurd theology.

      But wait, don’t tell me…..allah has access to creation in ways we can’t understand!!!

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    • Kev “Oh, the special pleading theology. Your thoughts have physical properties which means allah has no access to them:”

      nonsense lol.. Thoughts may have physical properties but that doesn’t change the divine fact that Allah The All knower has full knowledge of your thoughts Kev..lol…Allah even knows your intentions and thought even before they are conjured from your heart mind and soul lol… including the misguided faith that dwells within you… 🙂

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    • omar

      onsense lol.. Thoughts may have physical properties but that doesn’t change the divine fact that Allah The All knower has full knowledge of your thoughts Kev..lol…Allah even knows your intentions and thought even before they are conjured from your heart mind and soul lol… including the misguided faith that dwells within you…

      Like I said – SPECIAL PLEADING!. And yes, you are saying allah can be in creation in “ways we can’t understand!!!!” LOL!

      Allah cannot know anything about his creation because everything that comes out of it is finite. Even our abstract ideas and emotions like love, mercy, and our very thoughts are finite – and according to some of you guys, what exists in the finite world cannot cross over into the infinite and vice versa.

      I do agree that logically, allah should be able to know the most intimate things about us, but in order for that to be true, you have to refute your own theology – which you have. If islamic theology is true and allah is absolutely transcendent, then you are blaspheming. If you are right and allah can actually interact with the finite, then islamic theology is false.

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    • lolol your making up your argument as you go..lol..

      Al-Bukhaari (5269) and Muslim (127) also narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, will forgive my ummah for ***whatever crosses their minds*** so long as they do not act upon it or speak of it.”

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    • “And know that ***Allah knows what is in your minds***, so fear Him. And know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.” (Qur’an 2:235)

      “***Allah knows what is in your hearts***. And Allah is Ever All Knowing, Most Forbearing.” (Qur’an 33:51)

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    • Careful Kevvy : “Verily Allah knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth: and Allah sees well all that ye do.” Quran 49:18

      lol…

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    • Omar

      That just proves the contradcition between what the quran says and what muslims want to believe. Muslims insist that allah’s infinite nature is incompatible with his finite creation – that limitation placed on your god must be consistent else it is self-refuting. Since you cannot apply the principle consistently, the point is refuted.

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  3. “That’s the muslim argument – allah cannot enter his own creation, and is dependent on his creatures to get messages to his creation.”

    if god is the creator of everything, including the messengers who narrate his message, how is he “dependant” ?

    while your god has become created in creation, he has become DEPENDANT .
    he has become DEPENDANT to get his own message to his creation by CREATING himself in creation.

    it is your pagan god who has become dependant.

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    You are the guys who insist that the infinite and the finite are incompatible and allah cannot cross that barrier.

    are you saying that an INFINITE God had to become FINITE when He started to CREATE ?
    is the sun, moon, stars all creations of a god working in time by making himself part of time and space?


    Thoughts have physical properties which mean that they are inaccessible to allah because he is infinite. Don’t blame me, blame your absurd theology.”

    so where did God omniscience Go?
    do you believe there is a past, present and future for the 3 triplets?
    When God was CREATING thoughts of ANYTHING , did He not know what HE was creating?

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    • heathcliff

      “if god is the creator of everything, including the messengers who narrate his message, how is he “dependant” ?

      His messengers have free will and can refuse his commands – angels and humans have all done this. Allah cannot convey his message without the acquiescence of his created beings, if they refuse, he has to turn elsewhere.

      “while your god has become created in creation, he has become DEPENDANT .
      he has become DEPENDANT to get his own message to his creation by CREATING himself in creation.”

      That’s dumb, even for you. Why don’t you think before you write? Allah depends entirely on his creation to convey his messages to his other creatures – this is the logical outcome of islamic theology.

      “so where did God omniscience Go?
      do you believe there is a past, present and future for the 3 triplets?
      When God was CREATING thoughts of ANYTHING , did He not know what HE was creating?”

      I’m not going waste any more time on you- you sound like a three year-old.

      Why don’t you explain how allah is “closer than your jugular” when he cannot come anywhere near his creation? Don’t tell me it is possible in “ways we can’t understand!!!!!!!”

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  4. does the father in trinity who is not visible and invisible not know the thoughts of anything?
    does part or bit of god has to become finite to inform the invisible father what x, y and z said?

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    • do you worship a god who has loss of signal the more and more separated he gets ?
      so when the father was in heaven was his omniscience and all hearing struggling to keep up with what people were thinking ?

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    • heathcliff

      The father is not limited to the spaces outside his own creation like allah. WHy would you think otherwise?

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    • “The father is not limited to the spaces outside his own creation like allah. WHy would you think otherwise?”

      the father occupies the space he created for himself? so the father is contained within what he created for himself, right?

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    • heathcliff

      The ceator can be in more than one place at the same time and take different forms at the same time. Allah cannot do this, therefore, he is not the creator.

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  5. ““if god is the creator of everything, including the messengers who narrate his message, how is he “dependant” ?

    His messengers have free will and can refuse his commands – angels and humans have all done this. Allah cannot convey his message without the acquiescence of his created beings, if they refuse, he has to turn elsewhere.

    1. you miss the point man worshipper . is God currently creating FUTURE events that will COME tomorrow?

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    • heathcliff

      ” you miss the point man worshipper . is God currently creating FUTURE events that will COME tomorrow?”

      You don’t have a point – all you are saying is that allah creates events in which some of his created beings refuse to do his bidding. That doesn’t change the fact that he has to create beings and FUTURE events that will COME true in which allah will have to depend on his creatures to get his message to the universe.

      Do you now see the simple point I’m making? It doesn’t matter whether allah is the ultimate creator – according to islamic theology, allah will still need and depend on his creatures to allow him to communicate with humans.

      Try to think logically.

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    • “You don’t have a point – all you are saying is that allah creates events in which some of his created beings refuse to do his bidding.”

      God created the messengers WHO do do His bidding .
      your god occupied space and people STILL did not get people to do his biding. when peter saw all the “miracles” he still lied and denied , this implies your god is pathetically weak even when he reveals himself as a human being .

      you have to admit that your limited god cannot CHANGE hearts and MINDS unless he become CONTAINED within his own creation and create himself .


      That doesn’t change the fact that he has to create beings and FUTURE events that will COME true in which allah will have to depend on his creatures to get his message to the universe.”

      but HE is creating and controlling the events and He is the one who has power over what takes place in the past, present and future, so HOW is god DEPENDING on his creatures?

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    • heathcliff

      “God created the messengers WHO do do His bidding .”

      You’re still not getting it. LOL!!

      Your allah <b<had to create messengers because he could not come down and do it himself. Therefore, he is dependent on them. Get it?

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  6. i would like to ask a man worshipper like you what did God know BEFORE He created the THOUGHTS of human beings, before He created ANYTHING ?

    what did HE know?

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    • So allah created mohammed’s lust for a six-year-old?

      You’ve avoided you’re logical errors – it doesn’t matter what allah can supposedly create, he still has to create creatures that he is dependent upon to convey his messages. You’ve utterly failed to refute this.

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    • “So allah created mohammed’s lust for a six-year-old?”

      when can ask you the question if god loves to exit women’s private places and then feed on their bodies as 1 person, 2natures for sustenance.

      also yhwh was a shebrew ,he married israel

      we can also talk about yhwh lusting on women in the bible.

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    • You’re answer is “yes” allah wanted mohammed to lust after a 6-year-old so he created those thoughts for him?

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    The ceator can be in more than one place at the same time and take different forms at the same time. Allah cannot do this, therefore, he is not the creator.

    are you a hindu ? is your god CURRENTLY in hell? if he is in some places and not in other places, then is he LIMITED because he cannot be in ALL places @ the same time?

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  8. “Your allah <b<had to create messengers because he could not come down and do it himself. Therefore, he is dependent on them. Get it?"

    no, i don't .

    1. why would God need to "come down" even if he revealed himself ? is He unable to reveal Himself without taking on forms? Is he unable to make Himself known THROUGH His creation ?

    your pathetic logic is like saying that God himself had to put the sun into space , because He can't keep things lit up without the sun.

    so is God dependant on mathematical calculations in order for the universe to continue to exist and run?

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    • it is like you don’t really believe in the WIll, power and control of the 3 triplets. it is like you worship gods who need to be CONTAINED in created PLACES otherwise SEPARATION creates their powers to become deformed like they are in trinity

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    • heathcliff

      “Is he unable to make Himself known THROUGH His creation ?”

      You are hilariously dumb beyond belief.

      No, he cannot do those things if you believe islamic theology – he can come nowhere near his creation. You are so brainwashed that you just can’t see the circles you are running round in. The worst part is that you don’t even realize that angels are created, and according to islamic theology, allah can’t even interact with them because they are finite and he is infinite. Absurd.

      WHat you are actually saying is that allah enters his creation in “ways we can’t understand!!!!!”

      LOL!

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  9. “Is he unable to make Himself known THROUGH His creation ?”

    You are hilariously dumb beyond belief.

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    the point was pondering on creation, not on an impaled meat god.


    The worst part is that you don’t even realize that angels are created, and according to islamic theology, allah can’t even interact with them because they are finite and he is infinite. Absurd.”

    the thing is creation does not put any “effect” in God even when he speaks to them, on the other hand your god has TO become CREATED in order to speak to creation.

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    • heathcliff

      Poor, poor deluded person.

      You’re still left with the problem of allah being in absolute need of messengers who can enable him to communicate with his creation – you just can’t show how your god is not dependent on his creatures.

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    • “You’re still left with the problem of allah being in absolute need of messengers who can enable him to communicate with his creation – you just can’t show how your god is not dependent on his creatures.”

      it is yhwh who is dependant on mathematical laws to keep the universe running . it is yhwh who is dependant on finite flesh because creation seems like another existence which is not in his control and power. yhwh needs to get CONTROLLED before he interact with finite.

      the laws of FINITE are too great for yhwh thats why yhwh has to REDUCE his infinitude to ENTER it . finitude is your SECONd god you piece of scum

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    • heathcliff

      Now you’ve gone full on moron. You just can’t refute the obvious – islamic theology leaves you with a god that must create creatures to send messages to humans. LOL,

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    • Kev you need spiritual help..fast!.. May Allah cure you amin…

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    • Omar

      “Kev you need spiritual help..fast!.. May Allah cure you amin…”

      I agree. All humans are found wanting when set against the full glory, mercy and love of our Lord and Immanuel. Only yahweh can save me. There is nothing I can do to earn god’s love, peace, and mercy – he gives those things freely.

      Allah, on the other hand, wants humans to believe that they can do enough in their finite lives to satisfy infinite divine demands – even that throws islamic theology under the bus.

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  10. “Why don’t you explain how allah is “closer than your jugular” when he cannot come anywhere near his creation? Don’t tell me it is possible in “ways we can’t understand!!!!!!!””

    here is a question

    do you believe god is omniscient?
    is he only omniscient when he is CONTAINED in places?
    if he is not contained in creation, he is NO LONGER omniscient?

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  11. hey kev,
    we know your god was physically present in private parts, but can you tell me if he is in your anus or is he limited by your anus?
    if he is limited by your anus, does that mean your god is not fully in your body i.e not EVERYWHERE?

    can you tell me if distance puts an effect in your gods seeing and hearing

    if god is in your body right now, does he physically feel you and you feel him?
    do you touch, taste , smell your god ?

    you kept on calling me “dumb” and laughed when you said :

    The worst part is that you don’t even realize that angels are created, and according to islamic theology….

    how about your theology kev? your god is a physical and visible thing? is he visibly in your anus kev?

    is he mist, ghost or some kind of spirit which is not effected by time and space? if not, how is he in your body kev?

    we are effected by time
    space
    every day there are new existences

    can you tell me if none of this effects god, then aren’t you agreeing with islamic beliefs that God is separate from finitude?

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  12. “Now you’ve gone full on moron. You just can’t refute the obvious – islamic theology leaves you with a god that must create creatures to send messages to humans. LOL,”

    can you explain how does a god make himself known by taking on human attributes? the invisible bit remains completely disconnected because “the human nature” is not even a god, the invisible bit EXPERIENCES nothing FINITE, so are you not in agreement with islamic theology that GOD REMAINS separate from FINITUDE?

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  13. kev, is your god currently occupying your anus? or are there parts of your god which are not in all of your body?
    does your occupying god CURRENTLY experience anything FINITE like oxygen, taste, touch, smell etc etc ?

    if not then is he SEPARATE ?

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    • “kev, is your god currently occupying your anus? ”

      Not that I can tell – but maybe if it’s allah he is up there in “ways I can’t understand!!!!!”

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    • come on kev, don’t lie man. you said that your god has to enter his own creation otherwise his infinity does not allow him to know what the hell is going on.

      you have to believe in a contained god who is either limited to location or creating himself in location. your god is defeated by finity kev and has to create himself in a uterus. for this reason i asked whether he occupies your behind.

      2 natures kev.

      2 natures were contained in a body kev. how do i know he isn’t up your behind kev?

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    • tony

      “come on kev, don’t lie man. you said that your god has to enter his own creation otherwise his infinity does not allow him to know what the hell is going on.”

      I said no such thing.

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    • hey dog, did you listen to the video?

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    • dog?

      I must have rattled your faith.

      LOL!! Turn away from the dark side.

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    • you piece of shit you thought you were too clever, so did you listen to the video ?

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    • heathcliff

      LOL!!!

      Apostate

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  14. “he can come nowhere near his creation. You are so brainwashed that you just can’t see the circles you are running round in.”

    do you imagine your god to be like one who climbs down a ladder to go into location ?

    christian wording seems to give the idea that your god creates his existences at different positions.

    atheists will point out that your god in actuality is a human being.

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  15. kev, if infinitude does not put any effect in infinite being, can you tell me what does it mean for him to be in creation? he has no experiences of creation. he has no experience of the environment around him like you are currently having. so what does it mean for god with infinite powers to be held in creation?

    since the father is not limited and is currently contained in hell, heaven, idols, sun, moon, stars etc etc, then what exactly is he experiencing apart from his infinite powers?

    is yhwh in all of your body kev? is he currently feeling you kev? i need to know kev because you seem to have homosexual fetish for males who leave empty tombs.

    i need to know your experiences with yhwh the man who has entered you.

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  16. hey kev,

    how does touching, tasting, sniffing , feeling and snogging galilian incarnate prove to you that it is an infinite being? you experienced nothing infinite kev and you believe the invisible bit NEVER changed or did not put ANYTHING in its “invisibleness” to EXPERIENCE the material visible and created world.
    so kev, how does a god BECOME known by taking a shit, having a fart, having stinky shitty breath, getting tempted by satan, wearing a private part etc etc

    how did god become known by wearing human attributes kev, you had no experiences of the invisible bit which was not having any FEELINGS of the finite world.

    why are you SILENT on this kev?

    how does a god, WEARING finite parts make you EXPERIENCE an INFINITE uncreated being?

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  17. hey key,
    you are failing to answer the questions .

    did the 3 triplets know about september 11 before the universe was created or did they know about it only after the universe was created ?

    were they busy making love to each other and forgot about september 11th and only knew once the incident had occurred ?

    how did god know about september 11th when he did not even enter into his creation, when there was no creation ?

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  18. kev, how did the father impregnate his mother? according to ken temple, all he had to say was “become!”
    but you need your god to be in a UTERUS
    can you tell me how did god BECOME in a uterus?

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  19. “Allah cannot know anything about his creation because everything that comes out of it is finite. Even our abstract ideas and emotions like love, mercy, and our very thoughts are finite – and according to some of you guys, what exists in the finite world cannot cross over into the infinite and vice versa.”

    1. when the triplets were making love to each other did they know about finite events BEFORE they even occurred?

    2. is god POWERFUL enough to make himself known just by changing hearts and minds without even speaking or showing himself ?

    3. if God does choose to INTERACT , is he only able to take on FINITE forms but first has to REDUCE his POWERS and become DISABLED?

    4. is there a past, present and after for the triplet gods?

    5. can God CHANGE creation WITHOUT being IN creation ?

    6. yhwh sits on top of the earth and everyone appears as grass hoppers.
    how is yhwh able to see everything ?
    since he is infinite god and what he sees = finite , how is he able to perceive? does finite have to mix with infinity before it computes in yhwhs brain?

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  20. “That’s the muslim argument – allah cannot enter his own creation, and is dependent on his creatures to get messages to his creation.”

    you do understand that you have made yourself into a dumb ass, right?
    you believe that yhwh was too powerful to enter creation so he created meat for himself in order to get his message across, right?
    so he was dependant on creating himself as a man to get the message across as a deformed and disabled god.

    god was dependant on creature god while the “divine nature” did not mix and always remained SEPARATE.

    yhwh was dependant on a creature he created . but he “radio controlled” his puppet from a DISTANCE because the father in heaven was not DWELLING on earth.

    yhwh cannot ENTER his own creation unless he makes himself INTO deformed and disabled god.
    but then you have 2 gods or 2 existences or a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of an original which is stuck in heaven.

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