A “Concern” there was”Taqiyyah” in the Yasir Qadhi – James White Dialogue

These comments from a young Christian apologist stem from an erroneous idea on Taqiyyah. Luis Dizon thinks Dr Yasir Qadhi may have been practicing “Taqiyyah” in the dialogue with Dr James White at a church.

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Young Canadian Christian Luis Dizon

Come on folks, which other group has to deal with this wild-eyed idea that they go around lying (“practicing dissimulation”) when we talk about their faith? These misconceptions are the product of anti-Muslim propaganda – clearly it’s affecting young Christians in Canada like Luis Dizon. I know there a bunch of anti-Islam Christian polemicists who propagate such propaganda about the concept of Taqiyya so, sadly, it’s not surprising to come across this misconception amongst Christians.

What chance have we got here to even be listened to? Let’s have a stab at challenging this to help alleviate this problem. Here are Luis’ comments:

Furthermore, there is a concern that Sh. Qadhi may be willfully deceiving the people listening because of the Islamic concept of Taqiyyah (dissimulation)…

…And I would like to bring up the topic of Taqiyyah briefly, because I know that that is always on everyone’s minds whenever a Muslim preacher or apologist is speaking. I am not unaware that the doctrine of Taqiyyah exists. Was Sh. Qadhi practicing it, or was he not? I’m not going to rule it out, but at the same time, I’d like to remind everyone that we who believe in the principles of justice and fairness adhere to the idea of the presumption of innocence. In other words, you cannot accuse someone of being a liar or deceiver if you don’t have any evidence to prove it. If you think that Sh. Qadhi was deliberately misrepresenting what he really thinks, then present your evidence. Having listened to Sh. Qadhi many times, not just in these dialogues but also in his lectures and khutbahs, I have no reason to believe that he is the kind of person who would go around intentionally deceiving people. Maybe he is, but we cannot prove it.

I’d refer Luis and others who may have come across propaganda material from anti-Muslim sources on the concept of Taqiyya to more scholarly authority. In this snippet of an old blog piece I used R. Strothmann’s relevant section in “Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam” (by H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers)  and Cyril Glasse’s Concise Encyclopedia of Islam

What is “Taqiyyah”, “Takiya”, “Taqiyya”?

This term is spelt variously; “taqiyyah”, “takiya” or “taqiyya”.

“Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.” [1]

“Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).” [2]

So, taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is concerning dissimulation due to force – i.e. when an individual is forced to conceal.

Sadly, the propagandists – in order to obtain an unchecked platform and/or demonize Muslims – have misapplied this term in their propaganda claims of Muslims are allowed to lie to the non-Muslisms etc..

At what level of force is Takiya (Taqiyyah, Taqiya) justified?

“But an individual is not justified in takiya nor bound to hidjra [emigration] if the compulsion remains within the endurable limits, as in the case of temporary imprisonment or flogging which does not result in death” [1]

So, this makes a mockery of the suggestions of Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers as even under threat of imprisonment and flogging Muslims are not justified in takiya. The level of force which justifies oneself in takiya is that of an unbearable level.

Takiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah) and the type of lies…

One may ask, what type of “disguise” is allowed under takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya)?

Let’s be clear about takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.” [2]

“The ethical question whether such forced lies are nevertheless lies, such a forced denial of the faith nevertheless a denial, is not put at all by one “who conceal himself” as he is not in a state of confidence which would be broken by lies or denial.” [1]

So takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) is not used to convert folk to Islam nor is it used in Islamic text books or anything of such a nature. It is simply a form of concealment used to avoid persecution

 

[1] Article by R. Strothmann, Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam, H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers, Fourth impression, 1995, E.J. Brill Leiden. New York. Koln p. 561 – 562

[2] The Concise Encyclopaedia of Islam, Revised Edition, Cyril Glasse, Stacey International, 2001, p450-451.

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22 replies

  1. When listening to Muslims I always live by one RULE.

    If a Muslim tells you the sky is blue you better go out and look up at the sky and check.

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  2. Who would have thought Dizon is also a piece of sh’it? Qadhi is a scholar of Islam. He knows what he’s saying. Dizon isn’t a scholar of Islam. Shamoun is an uneducated troll.

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    • Dizon is a young Christian who has been failed by the Christian elders and preachers hence his misconception. Let’s use the principle of charity here. And of course, the language is unhelpful.

      I’d imagine he really doesn’t know any better. In their communities, sadly, there is a pseudo-scholarship and anti-Islam political preachers in Christian communities so what we see as wild-eyed and ridiculous ideas about us are actually being propagated actively to young Christians in North America.

      Just to highlight one of the ways the Christian community is seeing pseudo-scholarship being passed off as expertise, I saw the Canadian Tony Costa being styled as a professor on Islam. The guy has no qualifications in Islam that I’m aware of and I’ve seen his lack of knowledge in action in chain-email discussions involving him.

      Luis needs to quiz his elders and apologetics teachers if that’s whom he’s been getting this stuff from. Hopefully he can get the word out to that community about this misconception.

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    • Snow: Let’s use the principle of charity here.

      No. Dizon has studied Islam at UoT. I’d like to know which textbook on Islam he used that discusses the application of Taqiyyah in Sunni or Salafi Islam in line with his Islamophobic thinking.

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  3. The one who has spread this lie about taqyyiah is the clown David Wood.
    Then the parrots among his followers have kept repeating this lie.
    May Allah expose the clown. Amen.

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  4. Unless Yasir Qadhi publicly denounce islam, offer devastating critique of the quran and Muhammed, and on top of that acknowledge Jesus as his Lord and Saviour,
    Louis and other christians like him will find it difficult to ever recognize that, maybe, just maybe, Yasir Qadhi is a sincere man who holds what he believe out of conviction and reflection and not hiding his true religious opinions.

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  5. Now i realised that i misread what Louis wrote. He assume Yasir Qadhis innocence. My bad here.

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  6. BTY, when a christian says we “love” muslims, especially if he is apologist/polemic, It happens that I find that alomst each expression on his face, and the body language of his are “screaming” that (he is laying).
    When I watch debates of the lion Sh Ahmed Deedat, I found how his opponents were exaggerating by their sayings and smiles. They were like snakes. That what I feel. I have not felt how genuine they were. Everything was fake.

    In the case of the clown and his followers, not only do their bodies language tell how deceptive they are, but also their filthy tongues.
    I challange David and his followers to use the same style, that they use with muslims, with jews! Just to know who are the ones using “Taqqyiah” by that understanding that they have given to that concept which is not Islamic.
    I challenge David, Sam, CP, Tony and even James to use the same style that Jesus used when he rebuked jews who didn’t believe in him which happens to be the same case with almost all jews today. ( i.e they don’t believe in Jesus).
    Would they even dare?! Look at them with jews! Some of christians, in fact, have said that jews don’t need Jesus!

    Those people,who “love” their enemies, and those people who are supposed not to resist “evil” got angry from James because of that dialogue while he had said that Dr Qadhi will go to hell by his theological conclusion, yet they are not satisfied since he should’ve insulted our prophet pbuh. They have satanic minds. That’s it!

    And I’m telling them, Quran told us about you 1400 years ago
    Surah 3:119 translation
    “Here you are loving them but they are not loving you, while you believe in the Scripture – all of it. And when they meet you, they say, “We believe.” But when they are alone, they bite their fingertips at you in rage. Say, “Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts.”

    Die in your rage!

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    • Abdullah wrote…

      “Die in your rage!”

      Thats an ISIS slogan, do you also hold up your index finger?

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    • You try to twist the comment by playing ISIS card, don’t you ?
      If you are in rage because Dr Qadhi had a dialogue with all honesty about Islam, then die in you rage, mr the one who “loves” his enemies.

      And again, I challenge David, Sam, CP, Tony and even James to use the same style that Jesus used when he rebuked jews who didn’t believe in him which happens to be the same case with almost all jews today. ( i.e they don’t believe in Jesus).
      Would they even dare?! Look at them with jews! Some of christians, in fact, have said that jews don’t need Jesus.

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    • Abdullah wrote… “You try to twist the comment by playing ISIS card, don’t you ?”

      My response: Didn’t know ISIS had any cards to play and no I didn’t twist anything. You used a widely used ISIS Slogan full stop. So the question is why? Did you repent and leave Pauline ISIS and give your Biya to Caliph Al Bagdadi?

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    • Are you a christian?

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    • yes I’m a Christian. What does that have to do with you getting caught using a very common ISIS slogan “DIE IN YOUR RAGE” . What a strange thing to say and and even stranger thing to wish that on someone. Where did u learn such a strange saying?

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    • Yes, it has everything to do with your ignorance.
      Since you’re an ignorant, I’m telling you that I have every reason to reject that man as a leader, let alone to give him By’ah. In fact, as muslims we have to fight this man and his group. That man declared his allegedly leadership as “Caliph” while his face was not known for muslims which is against Islamic law, and it breaks the simplest requirement in Islamic law.
      It’s just a radical group going against each condtion that Islam requires for that important matter. It’s targeting muslims, and we should stop them as Ali,the companion of the prophet pbuh, did with a similar group at his time.
      However, I cannot see why christians are complaining while their prophet Paul declared that the dictatorship of the pagan Roman empire was establshed by God, and they (i.e the romans) are the servants of god ( Roman13).
      Also, you’ve complained about ( Die in your rage) while I cannot see your point! If our belif in Jesus makes you get angery, then die in your rage. Just read the verse that I qouted from the translation of Quran.
      Also, Jesus labeled jews who didn’t believe in him as snakes, satans, and sons of satan.
      Would you even dare to use the same language with jews today?! I challenge you.

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    • Abdullah wrote…” I’m telling you that I have every reason to reject that man as a leader, let alone to give him By’ah. ”

      My response: And yet you use ISIS slogans like “DIE IN YOUR RAGE”. So why do you use their slogans? Where did you learn such a strange saying?

      Abdullah wrote… ” In fact, as muslims we have to fight this man and his group.”

      My response: And yet your not fighting that man and his group, your hear on this blog repeating that mans groups slogans and propaganda lol

      You wrote…”hat man declared his allegedly leadership as “Caliph” while his face was not known for muslims which is against Islamic law, and it breaks the simplest requirement in Islamic law.”

      My response: WHAT? What another strange and goofy thing to say. So Muslims have not know the face of the Caliph? Oh please show me that in Islamic Law lol.

      Abdullah wrote… “It’s just a radical group going against each condtion that Islam requires for that important matter. It’s targeting muslims, and we should stop them as Ali,the companion of the prophet pbuh, did with a similar group at his time.”

      My response: Really other than your made up condition of knowing the Caliphs face, what conditions are you talking about?

      You wrote.. “It’s targeting muslims, and we should stop them”

      My response: Yes Muslims always kill Muslims not really concerned and nor do I care about that, but funny you you say “we should stop them”, and yet the only thing you are doing is repeating their slogans and propaganda on this Blog.

      You wrote.. ” Ali,the companion of the prophet pbuh, did with a similar group at his time.”

      Yes and a similar group stopped not only ALI, but his two sons two lol. And so it goes and goes and goes. See thats how all Caliphate dynesties are born and come to an end by the sword just like ISIS is doing.

      But all this and you still have not answered my question. Why are you repeating Islamic propaganda? Where did you learn such a strange saying?

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    • Sorry for wasting MY time.

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    • LOL So your not going to tell me where you learned such a catch phrase as “DIE IN YOUR RAGE”?

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    • In contrast, if my belief in Jesus makes you get angry, then die in your rage, mr troll.

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