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Pharrell Williams – Happy (Omar Esa Version)

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  1. Islam – a religion derived and contrived from other religions and now having to take a western pop song to prove that it brings happiness.

    The question is, if it is such a joyful faith, why does islam have to borrow other cultures’ forms of music to show its inherent joyfulness? LOL.

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  2. Kev,

    You’re trolling right. But hey let’s see where this goes.

    The religion of Islam didn’t borrow from other religions.

    Which culture is this song from?

    And why do we see Christians borrowing fro Atheist cultures and LGBT cultures to show how “loving” Christians are?

    And I’m pretty sure the rock music being played in churches was not around at the time of Paul of Tarsus or John Calvin.

    PS the Americans are notorious for appropriating other cultures. All societies do it.

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  3. What is the reasoning behind not being allowed to use musical instruments?

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    • don’t know. Why do you ask?

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    • Just interested to know why Allah won’t allow instruments. Seems a little legalistic to me.

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    • your opinion is not of much interest

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    • Thanks. Don’t you ever question why you follow religious laws that you don’t know the reasoning behind?

      Maybe another more educated Muslim knows why instruments are haram in Islam.

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    • Paulus,

      There’s an implied prohibition of musical instruments in a hadīth, and that’s all as far as I know (besides some scholars interpreting “vain/idle talk” in the Qur’ān as referring to music). Either way, it’s something there’s scholarly difference of opinion over, so categorical, absolute prohibition is highly problematic.

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    • Thanks. Very interesting.

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    • Paulus,

      I think it’s to better appreciate the beauty of the recitation of the Qur’an. Also explains the reason why poetry is encouraged and instrumental music is discouraged.

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    • Because music with instruments does not cause a state that can be regarded as positive for a Muslim nor are the circumstances where music is played usually positive.

      Of course there are cases that don’t have to be considered bad like a poetic song being performed with a string instrument or a flute for example. However this could be a means to the negative forms of music and is therefore forbidden too.

      What Abu Talha said is Tabekianism. There is a very wide consensus on the prohibition of music in general. No serious person would deny this.

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    • If that’s true, why would the video of this topic be referenced to a pop culture song? Muslims seems to know a lot about things they religiously shouldn’t.

      How someone can honestly believe musical instruments will put you in a negative state is almost breathtakingly silly. This alone is enough to reject Islam

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    • Paulus,

      Suggesting that it’s acceptable to completely reject all of Islām based on the contested opinion of some of its scholars is stupid. As is Rider’s implication that the prevalence of an opinion constitutes truth or that what I said (which is just a matter of fact) is a result of what his blind bias had led him to term “Tabekianism.”

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    • Whatever Paulus.

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    • Paulus,
      After all, pearls are useless for pigs.

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    • If a religion wants me to not enjoy musical intruments because it will put me in a “negative state” (whatever that means?), then, yes, in my opinion that is enough to consider this particular religion completely absurd and irrelevant to everyday life.

      Now, considering that this same religion believes in the Pslams, and that the psalms are demonstrations of music and instruments, that only makes this particular religion even more ridiculous.

      But in my estimation Abu, your particular version of “Islam” is probably more secular than many of the muslims on this blog. You seem to appeal to positions that allow you the comforts of western normality while trying to lay claim to some type of muhammadism.

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    • “Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.
      They have harps and lyres at their banquets, pipes and timbrels and wine, but they have no regard for the deeds of the LORD, no respect for the work of his hands.”
      Paulus, this is the basic of your wirshipping in the churches, btw.

      If alcohol veils your mind, Music – in many cases – veils your heart.

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    • That is one of the silliest things I’ve ever had the misfortune of reading…”music veils the heart” lol

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    • It’s your scripture, man! Lol.
      Silly?! Worshiping a god who used to defecate?!

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    • No, saying music veils the heart was your horrible eisegesis and commentary…and profoundly inaccurate

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    • OK again Paulus: Not every kind of music is inherently negative. But all kinds of music are forbidden because they could be a means to the negative.

      Alcohol was also not forbidden for the Children of Israel. That is acknowledged by Islam. People were supposed to not misuse it by their own discretion. But in Islam all means to immorality are blocked.

      “But in my estimation Abu, your particular version of “Islam” is probably more secular than many of the muslims on this blog. You seem to appeal to positions that allow you the comforts of western normality while trying to lay claim to some type of muhammadism.”

      Although there can be stricter or less stricter opinions that are acceptable, in the case of Abu Talha you are right Paulus. He is a so-called Tabekian i.e following the teachings of Atabek Shukurov. This is a man from Usbekistan who claims to have rediscovered the forgotten real Hanafi school of law.
      All he does is basically like you described “allow you the comforts of western normality while trying to lay claim to some type of muhammadism” with the difference to other secularist reformist thinkers that he extensively claims to have traditional opinions backing him.

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  4. Kevster, you know that islam isn’t actually a person who can borrow things right? They guy in the video did that not Islam, stupid. You’re such a naughty boy!

    As for the Quran containing things from other religions. Try to read a bit about the Islamic narrative of earlier revelations and how they relate to Islam.

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    • Jesus talking in the cradle is an apocryphal story, not actual history. Apparently Muhammad heard the story somehow and thought it real.

      That is just one example of many.

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    • ‘Jesus talking in the cradle is an apocryphal story, not actual history.’

      What is your evidence that it is not actual history?

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    • Paulus, I’ve always been interested to know. Why wasn’t mary stoned to death when she came with jesus as an infant?
      If jesus spoke in the cradle, it would make sense, but you don’t believe he did.

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    • Because she was married to Joseph?

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    • Lol, so everyone in the beginning thought jesus was joseph’s son?
      No one was ever going to buy the virgin birth story, there had to be some way they got convinced.

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    • Paul Williams

      ‘Jesus talking in the cradle is an apocryphal story, not actual history.’

      What is your evidence that it is not actual history?

      What is your evidence that it is? No scholar of christianity says that this apocryphal myth is actual history. Muslims have the burden of proof to show that this fable is historical – but you are going against every scholar on the issue.

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    • Do you agree with this claim:

      ‘But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.’

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    • Paul

      Don’t be obtuse.

      What is your point?

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  5. Bullshit, Paulus! You can do better! Are all the miracles in the bible actual history? Burning bush, Jesus´ miracles etc. What’s included in your corrupted bible isn’t the criterion of truth.

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    • We know that story of the cradle is in apocryphal books that predate Islam and are not historical. We know that the Nestorians used these books. And we know that the only “Christians” (I use that loosely) Muhammad had contact with were the Nestorians in Arabia.

      Ergo, I wonder how this particular fable ended up in the Koran?

      We also know that the clay bird story found in the koran was a fable from the gnostic Infancy GThomas.

      There are many examples.

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    • BTW, those two fables I mentioned, neither are found in the Bible. That’s kinda the point- Muhammad was a man of his time and circumstances and his understanding of the “Bible” so to speak came only from the few Chrsitians he had contact with. Since these fables were circulating in Arabia, I am not surprised that Muhammad included them in his koran, since the people he was trying to convert and mobilise were Arabs. Since Muhammad was completely unaware of what was happening anywhere else in the world, the result was a koran that promotes known fables and historical inaccuracies and errors. This is to be expected from an Arab in the 7th century trying to piece together Jewish and Christian history.

      I don’t pity Muhammad. I pity Muslims who think an all knowing deity named Allah was responsible for such errors and stubbornly continue to follow know falsehoods out of indoctrination.

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    • Muhammad did not write the Quran so you are utterly.

      Show me just one of your so-called ‘historical inaccuracies and errors’

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    • I just gave two.

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    • Do you agree with this claim:

      ‘But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.’

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    • Sure. But I’m pretty sure gnostic fabricated fables from centuries later, now plagerised in the Koran is not what the text is referring to. Unless you have something other than mere conjecture?

      An apt Koranic verse for your approach bilal…

      “And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth.”

      Show us the evidence not your conjecture!

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    • Perhaps you need glasses to help you read Bilal?

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  6. Salam Paul,

    Thanks for sharing this nice happy video.

    Is there a way to reach you?

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  7. “a culture that derives from christianity”
    ??
    Kev & Paulus, you have to know that christianity has not provided any culture. christianity for historians is a cult began inside Judaism. Then it adopted the Pagan Greco- Roman culture. That’s it. In fact, we know how it led Europe to the bottom for centuries.
    In contrast, Islam from the beginning has presented its identity as something original. Islam presents its own perspective for history. Islam has created its own paradigm to deal and interact with other cultures, and that what happened in the Islamic history.
    Again, Islam has not borrowed anything rather it presents its own perspective for these stories. In Islam, the truth did not begin with Israelites and their land. We know from Quran that there’re many nations who got the message of Tawheed from Allah, yet people of those nations deviated from the straight path. If it happened and there are similarities between teachings of Islam/the stories that Islam presents with other teachings in any other religions or nations, then that would not affect the originality of Islam rather it affirms it because those teachings could be from the truth that has remained in those cultures and religions.
    However, from biblical perspective, it’s very problematic since the bible doesn’t have this perspective forward nations and other religions.
    For example, in the epic of gilgamesh which mentions the story of the flood and the ark in Akkadian literature before Israelites and the bible. For us, that doesn’t mean anything, it affirms the perspective that Islam presents, yet for you, it should be a fable that the bible has borrowed from Akkadian writings. You can say the same thing in the song of love in Sumerian literature which has many similarities with Song of songs in the bible.

    Note:
    I hope to understand that your trolling is not appreciated in this blog.

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    • Abdu

      Where is you historical evidence that every nation received the message of tawheed? The quran is not taken seriously as a source for history of anything other than the brief two decade period of mohammed’s life, and even then, it is the scholarly consensus that the quran borrowed heavily from christian and jewish apocrypha, fables and pagan myths.

      So please, show the evidence for this quranic claim.

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    • It’s not a matter of the material evidences although they are found.
      The point here is that Quran has its own theory even from secular perspective about these stories that you claim that Quran borrowed from others. However, what do you have in your bible to explain why Akkadian or Sumerian stories ended up to be in your bible? 🙂

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    • abdu

      So where are the material “evidences” found? If the quran makes empirical claims about history, then you have to prove that they are true, else, it is just some guy from the 7th century making stuff up to fool ignorant 7th century peasants.

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    • Zoroastrianism which is considered the oldest monotheistic religion, and many scholars argue that jews borrowed that idea from Zoroastrian, for example.
      In Egypt, you can find Akhenaten.
      Dr Zakir Naik- May Allah help him – has made a great efforts to prove the oneness of God from Hindu scriptures.

      Again, explain to us how Akkadian fables ended up in your bible to be the word of God? 🙂

      BTW, are you American?

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    • abdu

      That’s pathetic. There’s no divine revelation in knowing about zoroastrianism – plenty o ancient cultures mentioned zoroastrianism. SO where is your evidence that the quran’s claim is true that tawheed was revealed to every nation?

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    • I’ve told you that your trolling is not appreciated here. 🙂
      We can easily destroy your stupidity as you can see.

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    • abdu

      You’re an idiot. You made some dumb claims that you can’t back up, and now you trying to back pedal by calling me a troll. Clearly, you can’t support you’re claims pretty much provşng that the quran is false and you are dumb for belieiving in it.

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    • Tell me who is the Idiot?

      The Muslim who has refuted christian falsehood or the pagan who worships a man who consistently instructed people that he was not God and whose clergy and institutions still to this day over 2000 years can’t agree what makes up their scriptures or cannon?

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    • t4k

      abdu is unable to prove his claims – therefore the quran cannot be the word of god and is false.

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