Muslims in Politics is an Issue

Politics is a strange beast and one that brings out both the best and worst of people.

I’m a member of quite a few religious pages and groups on Facebook. I have a healthy mix of Muslim hating groups and pages, to Christian hating groups and pages to spend my time scrolling through. I try to cover as much of the religio-socio-political spectrum as I can. There are a lot of things I’ve learned from being in these groups, most of it not useful, but where I have learned useful things I’ll try to make a series of posts discussing them. Today’s post is about Muslims in politics. The best way I can sum the issue is in the following picture:

bt-politics-muslimsinpolitics

What I’ve largely learned from my time observing social media, mainstream and alternative (specifically religious or political) media publications, postings and discussions, is that there is no place for Muslims in politics. There seems to be two main ideas about Muslims in politics from non-Muslims.

The first, is that if we do not vote or participate in politics it must mean we’re all extremists who hate all non-Muslims, that we refuse to integrate and that Muslims only belong in a 7th century medieval theocracy. The idea that major parties may alienate Muslims from their platforms, or may have unfavourable views toward local Muslim communities or Muslim majority nations (often foreign policy) and that these are legitimate reasons for not participating in politics either escapes most people who hate Muslims, or they refuse to acknowledge this glaring issue in the first place. Voter turnout has always been an issue in politics, whether it was during the 2016 US Presidential election, during Brexit or during the 2017 UK General election, the fact is that not everyone votes and there is a reason there’s something called a protest vote in the first place. In most democracies I’m aware of, it’s not illegal to not vote, yet Muslims aren’t afforded this right to not vote. In other words, predominantly right-winger’s are quick to criminalize the Muslim choice to abstain from voting, when to do so is to attack the very idea of having the freedom to participate in the political process. Indeed not participating in the political process is participating in the political process, and to attack someone for exercising that choice is to attack the political process itself.

The second, is that if Muslims do participate or take an active role in the political process, it must mean that we’re trying to instill Shari’ah law or laws generally favourable to the Muslim community. That we’re trying to inherently subvert the political process by participating in the political process. Such an opposition to Muslims participating in the political process is to be fundamentally ignorant of the political process in the first place. See, one of the mechanisms through which democracies and republics exercise social change is through the political process. The very purpose of the political process is to allow society to have a say in the way that they are being governed. It might come as a shock to some people, but the idea that communities can rally votes around a platform that is favourable to their communities, is not a Muslim invention. It’s called a political party. Even if that platform has religious ideas behind it, people can vote for it. There’s a reason why abortion is illegal and legal in some countries. There’s a reason why same sex marriage is illegal and legal in some countries. There’s a reason that young earth creationism is taught in some states in the US and outlawed in the others. There’s a reason why sexual education is taught in some states in the US and outlawed in the others. This reason, is that it’s not illegal for voters to have religious motivations for the way that they vote. Yet the way that some people who hate Muslims act, is as if it is illegal for Muslims to vote for candidates, platforms or manifestos that are favourable to their communities. The reality is, that attacking Muslims for their participation in and of the political process, is an attack on the political process itself, the very process that you’re attacking them in the name of.

These two ideas as discussed above, specifically the ironies associated with them can be found in most discussion about Muslims in politics. It seems that whether Muslims vote or not, is not the issue but that they are Muslims in the first place is the issue itself. The mere fact that such xenophobia and bigotry is expressed through political dressings does not preclude the fact that the foundational precept that such ideas are rooted in is bigoted and xenophobic in and of itself. Perhaps though, the greatest irony of all is that the very people who claim to express such bigotry under the guise of defending the sanctity of the political process, are the very people undermining it by attacking the Muslim population who are involved in it, in one way or the other.

and God knows best.

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41 replies

  1. Do you agree with Eric that Muslims should not be ruled by non Muslim leaders?

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    • This might shock you, but Muslims can have beliefs that disagree with each other. I’m not aware of Br. Eric’s beliefs on politics and my own personal view is that Muslims can be ruled by a non-Muslim ruler.

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    • Clearly, hence your post. Do you condemn Muslims who hold opinions like Eric as radicals?

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    • LOL, Lassie is back at it!

      Why would we condemn brother Eric as a “radical”? Is he calling for Muslims to take over non-Muslim governments and remove them by force, like some of you fools claim we do? We just had the “March Against Sharia” protests organized by the hate group ACT! For America. This group posits the conspiracy theory that Muslims are a 5th column and are trying to take over America.

      The fact is that if a Muslim is living in a non-Muslim country, then he would have to accept living under non-Muslim rule. As far as participating in the political process, then there are two choices, as stated in the meme above. You can either choose to participate by voting or you can abstain.

      Interestingly, the role of Christians in the political process has generated a lot of controversy as well. There have been polls done that have shown that most Christians in America consider themselves Christians first and Americans second. Thus, their loyalty is to the Bible first, and not not necessarily to the Constitution. Are they radicals? Imagine the outrage if a Muslim said this!

      http://reflections.yale.edu/article/faith-and-citizenship-turbulent-times/survey-christians-first-then-americans

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    • “Is he calling for Muslims to take over non-Muslim governments,”

      Yes. He advocated for a Christian political leader to be imprisoned for simply discussing the Koran. #RIPFreedom was the hashtag I believe. He supported the violent protests of Islamists against this Christian leader.

      He should be shunned, not defended.

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    • Keep the fake missionary banned.

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    • Perhaps prison?

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    • Lassie barked:

      “Yes. He advocated for a Christian political leader to be imprisoned for simply discussing the Koran. #RIPFreedom was the hashtag I believe. He supported the violent protests of Islamists against this Christian leader.

      He should be shunned, not defended.”

      LOL, this is vintage Lassie! Half-truths…

      I remember reading brother Eric’s discussion of this. He was referring to an Indonesian politician, if I am not mistaken. Indonesia is a Muslim country. If you speak against the Quran, you do so at the peril of your political career. Would Christians support a politician or defend him if he spoke against the Bible? I doubt it.

      Do you think that Christians who consider themselves Christians first and put their nationalities second should be regarded as “radicals”? How can such a person be loyal to their country? How can an American Christian, for example, remain loyal to the Constitution?

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    • Its funny how Paulus points his finger at bogey man of Islam, while conveniently ignoring Christian supremacist ideologies and the sedition that is actively being plotted and perpetrated by Christians themselves, in accordance with the legalistic-political-militaristic Doctrine of Dominionism (Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, Dominionism, Joel’s Army etc.) such as that espoused by the New Apostolic Reformation Movement, and other Pentecostal, Evangelical, and Christian fundamentalist groups.

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    • That’s because these Christian nutjobs secretly want the overthrow of secular governments. They just pretend to be loyal but given the opportunity, they would turn their backs in the blink of an eye. That is why the FBI has said in the past that right-wing militias are a bigger threat to America than ISIS or any other “Islamic” group.

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    • Good to see the real fruit- approval of imprisonment for a Christian political leader for discussing the Koran. Maybe you just switched positions on that meme 🐷

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    • Notice how paulus the misbehaved missionary try hard to spread lies, hate and bigotry.

      Never in my life have I advocated for Muslims to take over non-Muslim governments.

      Paulus himself who should be shunned because he took a blind eye to a criminal simply because that criminal was his co-religionist.

      The fact of the matter is, a christian politician bid for a Jakarta governor, a city overwhelmingly muslims (over 90% muslim). This man lost the election, and I and the majority of people who did not voted for him know very well the reason well. It is because he is a bad and arrogant politician, a rude and brash demeanour. Knowing that he was backed by major political parties and dirty tycoons he look down to anyone and lash out dirty language during the campaign including insulting the holy Qur’an whilst doing a public campaigns using tax payer moneys. He was later prosecuted and found guilty and now serving two years sentence in prison. This politician disregard the feeling of millions of devout believers and had breached the norm and showed lack of sensitivity. People are fed up with him because he is bad leader who is abusive and accusatory, a politician who love to stir ethnic hatred and schism among people. Btw this case was not unprecedented, there were many other cases much recently back in 2013 a Christian Woman jailed in Bali for insulting Hindu offerings, what makes him different??, just because he is backed by tycoon moneys and major political parties?? there is no way this man dodge the law, he deserved the sentence.

      Now tell me paulus, the reason why I should vote for a man who worships idol over those who worship the one and true God to rule over a muslim majority city? You should be shunned because you support a criminal simply because he is your co-religionist , it’s disgusting that you are blinded to his crime, it makes you a blinkered. Shame on you.

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    • /Good to see the real fruit- approval of imprisonment for a Christian political leader for discussing the Koran. Maybe you just switched positions on that meme//

      Maybe for islamophobe like you insulting the Qur’an can be as pleasing as “discussing” the Qur’an. But we know better ..

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    • Prison no. See a doctor for obsessive compulsive disorder.

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    • //I remember reading brother Eric’s discussion of this. He was referring to an Indonesian politician, if I am not mistaken. Indonesia is a Muslim country. If you speak against the Quran, you do so at the peril of your political career. Would Christians support a politician or defend him if he spoke against the Bible? I doubt it.//

      Exactly this “paulus” guy is shameless for supporting a proven guilty criminal simply because he worships the same idol like paulus.

      In my country a muslim majority, anybody speaks ill of any religious tradition or blaspheme against any recognized religion (be it Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism, Buddhism) can be prosecuted. Not long ago a christian business woman put in jail for insulting Hindu offerings, what makes other different??

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    • “Jakarta’s Christian governor has been sentenced to two years in jail for blasphemy, a harsher-than-expected ruling critics fear will embolden hardline Islamist forces to challenge secularism in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation.”

      Eric- you are a hardline Islamist. Almost all people are outraged at this, except for the Indonesian radicals, like yourself.

      This is the *great* crime this poor man did

      “While on a work trip last year, Purnama said political rivals were deceiving people by using a verse in the Koran to say Muslims should not be led by a non-Muslim”

      Ironically, it ties in perfectly with this post. He did not insult the Koran or your religion- he made a legitimate point, a point you promote, that some Muslims believe that Muslims should not be ruled by a non Muslim. You support this tyranny based on your radical theology. It’s disgusting how you treat non muslims

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    • And at least we know Ijaz disagrees with your tyranny

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    • Lassie, are Christians who put their religion first and their country second “radicals”?

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    • If they conflate the church with the state, I would say yes.

      Now how about you answer a question. Is it right for this politician to be jailed for blasphemy for saying the very thing Ijaz says?

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    • So you can be loyal to your religion first? How exactly do you not conflate church and state then? Every policy of the state that contradicts your religious beliefs would then have to be opposed.

      Having read some more about this Indonesian politician, I don’t think he should have been arrested. It does not seem that he said anything offensive about the Quran. However, I do maintain that it someone does say something offensive in a Muslim-majority country, then don’t be surprised that your political career goes down the drain.

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    • we finally agree on something!!!

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    • Paulus://“Jakarta’s Christian governor has been sentenced to two years in jail for blasphemy, a harsher-than-expected ruling critics fear will embolden hardline Islamist forces to challenge secularism in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation.”

      Eric- you are a hardline Islamist. Almost all people are outraged at this, except for the Indonesian radicals, like yourself.//

      You read too much from islamophobic western media, typical! Thats not what the vast majority think. those who are outraged only a handful of fanatics mostly christians like yourself who are blinded by his crime.

      Most people I know and I talked to including non muslims agree with the court that this trouble-maker politician deserve the sentences. Some questioning the lighter sentences than normal , other similar cases the offender got 4-5 years in prison. I can tell this because I involved in many community activism not only faith-based.

      Paulus:// “While on a work trip last year, Purnama said political rivals were deceiving people by using a verse in the Koran to say Muslims should not be led by a non-Muslim”

      Ironically, it ties in perfectly with this post. He did not insult the Koran or your religion- he made a legitimate point//

      Another lies, this what he said:

      “DEEP IN YOUR HEART YOU WON’T VOTE FOR ME….. (because) DECEIVED BY SURAH ALMAIDAH 51 AND THE LIKES”

      So the Qur’anic ayaat deceive people?? well this may be pleasing to your ears but this an inflammatory statements and hurting muslims made by a christian who does not even know the Qur’an.

      This is the same as saying that “Christian are deceived by John 3:16 for believing in jesus” although I may agree with this statement but I won’t said in public as not a government official on a public duty using taxpayer money.

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    • //Having read some more about this Indonesian politician, I don’t think he should have been arrested. It does not seem that he said anything offensive about the Quran//

      br. Faiz, if you understand the language you will understand why the judges and majority of muslims come to a conclusion that he said very offensive think about the Qur’an despite secular, non-muslims western media attempt to frame it on the radicalization of muslims. I can tell you it’s not the case, this politician with his fanatical xtian supporters has long story of demonization of muslims.

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  2. Peace Be Unto you Ijaz, There are Muslims who claim that voting is Shirk and anyone who does so, leaves the fold of Islam. There are many of these (mainly Khawarij) people who make such claims particularly on the following verse :

    ”Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers. ” Al Mai’dah : 44

    So if , say a Muslim votes for Labour Party in the UK to prevent evil from occurring to Muslims, is this Shirk? What if someone does not believe that Democracy is the best, but participates to alleviate suffering, then is that allowed? I am really confused. Thanks.

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  3. This meme is sooo true! Especially the blue part. The right wing has convinced everyone that we are all out trying to turn America into a 7th century caliphate through jihad and taqiyya lol.

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  4. This is a bit off-topic, though it has to be with the concept of separation of church and state, but did anyone hear about this?

    https://www.modernghana.com/news/779084/ue-alleged-witch-67-stoned-to-death.html

    So evidently, Christians in Africa are stoning witches to death.

    And there are some western Christians who are actively calling for the revival of Biblical laws, such as killing witches. Case in point:

    http://shoebat.com/2017/06/01/major-homosexual-leader-declares-we-will-take-human-fetuses-and-make-them-into-cream/

    Theodore Shoebat is the son of Walid Shoebat, the so-called “ex-terrorist” turned Christian extremist.

    So my questions to western, secularized Christians are:

    1. Is witchcraft real?
    2. If it is real, should it fall under the category of “freedom of religion” in western countries?
    3. If the answer to #2 is no, then if witchcraft would be prohibited by law , what would be the punishment for someone who violates the law?

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    • It didn’t get any mainstream media coverage.

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    • Of course it didn’t. That’s not shocking at all.

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    • That article never mentions anything about Christians.

      The Koran tells you not to follow conjecture. You should listen.

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    • Lassie barked:

      “That article never mentions anything about Christians.

      The Koran tells you not to follow conjecture. You should listen.”

      LOL, Lassie! Ghana is a Christian-majority country you mo-mo! And the belief in witchcraft is firmly entrenched there, especially among the Pentecostal Christians. Do some research before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself.

      And its not just in Ghana, but other African countries with Christian majorities. The “Anti-Balaka” Christian militia in the Central African Republic burned people alive for being witches.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-centralafrica-witchcraft-idUSKBN0TF03920151126

      Even children are often accused of witchcraft and are sometimes killed. Research has shown that these crimes happen mostly in Christian societies in Africa and not in Muslim ones:

      http://mgafrica.com/article/2014-08-21-child-witches-in-africa-far-from-being-a-traditional-belief-it-is-a-modern-invention

      This article makes the following interesting observation:

      “Children with a physical or developmental disability, or any physical abnormality, including a large head, swollen belly, red eyes) are likely to be targeted, as with those with a physical illness (epilepsy, tuberculosis, etc.) or especially gifted children.

      It can even be any kind of “unusual” behaviour, for example children who are stubborn, aggressive, thoughtful, withdrawn or lazy, Unicef says.

      The allegations are also more likely to happen in Christian societies, or more precisely, churches with an evangelical, revivalist, Pentecostal outlook, with accusations of child witchcraft far less likely among Muslims. ”

      I also noticed that you ignored what some western Christians are saying about witchcraft. Do you agree with Teddy Shoebat that western countries should revive Biblical laws like killing homosexuals and witches?

      You also ignored my questions to you and your deranged brethren. How typical of you, Lassie!

      So my questions to western, secularized Christians are:

      1. Is witchcraft real?
      2. If it is real, should it fall under the category of “freedom of religion” in western countries?
      3. If the answer to #2 is no, then if witchcraft would be prohibited by law , what would be the punishment for someone who violates the law?

      Care to answer these questions? 😉

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    • So you assumed they were Christians because a majority in that nation is Christian. Even though the article says no such thing. That’s conjecture. You followed it. The Koran condemns you.

      And you have the nerve to complain about people generalising about Islam based on its own adherrants actions and comments?

      Bad double standard. Seems your fasting is making you even more irrational

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    • LOL, Lassie! Oh, so you don’t like it when people generalize about Christians? Then why do you do it with Muslims? Why are you and your nutjob brethren always generalizing about Islam?

      So you have no actual response, as usual. What a surprise!

      Christians in Africa have killed supposed witches. Do you agree?

      And let me ask the same questions again. I know you won’t answer, because you are Lassie. But, your refusal to answer speaks volumes in itself. I know why will not answer. 😉

      So my questions to western, secularized Christians are:

      1. Is witchcraft real?
      2. If it is real, should it fall under the category of “freedom of religion” in western countries?
      3. If the answer to #2 is no, then if witchcraft would be prohibited by law , what would be the punishment for someone who violates the law?

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    • “Christians in Africa have killed supposed witches. Do you agree?”

      No. They could have been Muslims. Or pagans. Or anything…you’ve just made this up. Followed conjecture.

      Youve been exposed for your lie. Time to seek repentance from Allah.

      What’s with your ranting? Answers- 1. Dunno. 2. Yes. 3. Ergo N/A

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    • Lol, Lassie just keeps embarrassing himself more and more! So the “anti-Balaka” militants in the CAR are not Christians? See, this is how we know that you are a troll and not interested in any meaningful discussion. That’s why you should be laughed at and mocked. What a loser!

      So you don’t know if witchcraft is real? What does your Bible say?

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    • Lassie, would you consider Teddy Shoebat a dangerous radical?

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  5. “In my country a muslim majority, anybody speaks ill of any religious tradition or blaspheme against any recognized religion (be it Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism, Buddhism) can be prosecuted.”

    Show trials and prisons are a form of terror. Stalin and others put them to good use for that purpose. All totalitarian regimes use them.

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  6. //I wonder if Eric can provide any examples of Muslims being jailed under blasphemy laws? His only examples have all been Christian persecution cases.//

    I even met a muslim once during my visit in Jakarta’s Pondok Labu prison back in 2007 , her name was Lia.. so this law don’t discriminate. Your problem is always try to blame Islam for anything…

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