Not About James White! Useful Idiots For Atheists Setting Christians Up To Stumble – Pfander Centre for Apologetics

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There’s been a lot of talk amongst Christian evangelicals in America recently. They’ve been calling a Christian apologist who dared to invite a Muslim scholar to a church to teach the congregation about Islam a “useful idiot”. For some reason, Christians learning what Muslims actually believe from a Muslim scholar was deemed a bad deed in the eyes of a bunch of Islamophobic Christians.

Those same Christians will not register on the decibel meter when it comes to Christian apologists who send Westernised Christians out with liberal arguments which back-fire against the Trinitarian beliefs about Jesus amongst Bible-believing Christians. The fact these Christian apologists are in effect “useful idiots” for Atheists – they are potentially putting Christians on an Atheistic mindset – does not register. But hey, if Christians get a Muslim scholar in to teach Christians what Muslims actually believe you’ll get hounded by rabid Christian Islamophobes. I guess it’s more of  a cultural war in their minds as Atheists have a similar culture to many Christians in the West but the Muslim is seen as a foreigner. Culture trumps truth for these people.

Elizabeth Lizzie Schofield of Jay Smith’s Pfander Ministries as Trinitarian believes Jesus allowed Israelites to mistreat captive women by marrying them after killing their fathers, husbands and brothers in battle. Of course she was trying to launch a shallow Jay Smith-esque polemic against Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Safiya (which is discussed here) but nevertheless, if she’c consistent, she will as a Trinitarian believe Jesus allowed this.

Deuteronomy 21 (ESV)
10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive,11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

According to the Trinitarian worldview, Jesus: also

  1. Allowed the severe beating of female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days [Exodus 21:20]
  2. Ordered the killing of children, infants and WOMEN [1 Samuel 15:3]

My advice to Lizzie Schofield and other Westernised Christians being sent out by missionary organisations is to look into the Islamic view of Jesus with an open mind. Don’t allow yourself to be used by Christian missionary organisatons.

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Categories: Islam

11 replies

  1. the amalekite children didn’t live by the sword and neither did young pre-teens.


    • Lol … Why does she keep trying to convert us with her secular polemics that actually do more damage to her belief then the Muslim belief. Remember guys all the things Christians criticize us for ( death penalty for apostasy, stoning, homosexuals, blasphemy, killings) are in the bible and there on steroids compared to what we have in the Quran.

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    • It’s either she’s been taught to argue like this by somebody ignorant or somebody utterly dishonest who has no regard for intellectual honesty or consistency. Sadly, many Christians in the West argue like this, perhaps this is one of the reasons why so many of them leave the church and become secularists (Atheists, Agnostics, Nones etc.).


  2. “Elizabeth Lizzie Schofield of Jay Smith’s Pfander Ministries as Trinitarian believes Jesus allowed Israelites to mistreat captive women by marrying them after killing their fathers, husbands and brothers in battle.”

    Doesn’t their death have something to do with their decision to go to war in the first place?

    Can the woman bring her family back by remaining unmarried?

    Why do you assume that she would not want to marry one of the Israelites rather than remain alone?

    “Allowed the severe beating of female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days [Exodus 21:20]”

    More probably that they were able to continue working after two days. This was a concession for the benefit of both slave and master.

    Slaves in the OT could hardly be called such as they had freedoms and rights that Islamic slaves could only dream of.


    • “Islamic slaves” weren’t allowed to be beaten within inches of their lives but according to Trinitarianism Jesus allowed females slaves to be beaten as long as they got up after a day or two.

      See Exodus 21:20-21


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    • I agree Yahya Christians think there shooting us but in reality all their ammunition is richoeting straight back to em. Short term these arguments may make hard core Christians feels good and hate on Muslims. But in the long term ur right. Consistent Christians will see all the stuff they were taught to hate in Islam appear in the OT. And it will produce apostates.

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    • These arguments against Islam, not only ricochet straight back to causing their own Christian co-religionists to investigate and subsequently come up doubting, but such arguments also ricochet by motivating Muslims to research and develop more highly sophisticated polemics and apologetical arguments in response to such weak Christian attacks, which serves to reinforce Muslims in their own beliefs, and at the same time causes even more Christians to doubt the legitimacy of their own religion.

      Keep up the good work Pfander!!!!

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    • Lol. Madman has been schooled on the slavery issue before and ran away the last time he opened his mouth. I guess madmen just need to keep repeating the same nonsense to persuade themselves. They prefer living in a fantasy world of their own making.

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    • Lol exactly Faiz, but what do u expect from a madman with severely reduced cognitive abilities.

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    • Yes, it seems madman has a short memory. See here for his awful performance in defending Biblical genocide and slavery:


    • Lol I will read it inshallah


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