The Jesus of the gospels makes a terrible mistake.

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  1. Do you just troll Christian scholars hoping to get a response to your outdated polemics or what?

    Smells like someone is trying to make a name for themselves

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    • And yet again Paulus greets us with his toxicity. Bless him!
      How can you refute him br Paul? Look at the evidence stuffed into those two sentences of his.
      It’s simple overwhelming!

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    • you caught me out there Paulus! Astute as always.

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    • If the polemics are so outdated, perhaps you could do us and yourselves a favor and point us in the direction of where the issue has been tackled successfully from your side. Then hopefully we won’t have the situation that occurs when your lot keep regurgitating arguments that have actually been refuted on this very blog and elsewhere for ages already.

      So go on, link please.

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    • Yes, very outdated. Paul knows he is using old liberal arguments. Anyway, you ask so you shall receive. Oh look, what is this? Can you believe it? WLC does actually know about this topic

      “Similarly, let’s look at Mark 13:30, the Olivet Discourse. Jesus says, “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” What was he referring to in the original context when he said “all these things?” This saying comes after the prophecy of the return of the Son of Man in verses 24-27. So in this context you think he is talking about the return of the Son of Man when he says “all these things will take place before this generation passes away.” But look at the broader context of Mark 13. The phrase “all these things” occurs in Mark 13 in verses 4, 23, and 29 before Jesus says this in verse 30. Look at Mark 13:4, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign when these things are all to be accomplished?” What is the sign going to be when all these things are going to take place? Then in verse 23, after describing the destruction of Jerusalem and the false Christs that will come, he says, “But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand.” Then in verse 29, “So also, when you see these things taking place, you will know that he is near, at the very gates.” Here again, “these things” – what are these things? The things that he has been talking about with the destruction of Jerusalem. This concerns these things before the return of the Son of Man. He says “you will know then he is near, at the very gates.” But the things that he is talking about are the events prior to the Second Coming of Christ. Then he says “I say to you this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.” So this could well have been in the original context talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the tribulation that will happen at that time. But, because Mark has in verses 24-27 this passage about the return of the Son of Man, reading verse 30 one gets the misimpression that he is saying the Son of Man is going to return before this generation dies off.[4] It may well have been that in the original context what is being discussed is the destruction of Jerusalem and the trials and the signs that will lead up to that. In fact, Jesus then goes on in verse 32 to say, “But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” How could Jesus have been predicting that his return would occur before this generation is dead when he himself says that even the Son of God doesn’t know when the return of the Son of Man will take place?“

      Now, let’s hear about your exegetical argument in lieu of the context of the passage Paul. Or will you continue in isolating one verse and basing your theology on it?

      And of course Paul never tells his little majidians that there are all sorts of opinions on this text, preterist, futurist, dual prophetic, etc. No, he prefers to think the matter is straight forward and simple and usually acts like a fundamentalist atheist in his approach

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  2. LOL!!

    Poor Paul.

    Do you really think that your silly objections have stumped WLC?

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  3. Here goes…

    The Gospel of Mark chapter 13.

    Here is the relevant passage. See how Jesus foretells the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs.

    Then we read in Mark 13 verses 24-26:

    ‘But in those days, after that suffering,
    the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light,
    25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
    26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

    Verse 30 has Jesus tell his disciples when all these things will take place:

    “I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place”

    ALL THESE THINGS: the destruction of the Temple, persecutions, earthquakes, famines, wars and false messiahs and the return of the Son of man in clouds with great power and glory.

    The Jesus of the gospels makes a colossal prophetic error. All these things have not yet taken place: The End did not occur within the generation then living in the first century.

    The Destruction of the Temple Foretold
    13 As he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, ‘Look, Teacher, what large stones and what large buildings!’ 2 Then Jesus asked him, ‘Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.’

    3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately, 4 ‘Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign that all these things are about to be accomplished?’ 5 Then Jesus began to say to them, ‘Beware that no one leads you astray. 6 Many will come in my name and say, “I am he!” and they will lead many astray. 7 When you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be alarmed; this must take place, but the end is still to come. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. This is but the beginning of the birth pangs.

    Persecution Foretold
    9 ‘As for yourselves, beware; for they will hand you over to councils; and you will be beaten in synagogues; and you will stand before governors and kings because of me, as a testimony to them. 10 And the good news[b] must first be proclaimed to all nations. 11 When they bring you to trial and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say; but say whatever is given you at that time, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; 13 and you will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

    The Desolating Sacrilege
    14 ‘But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 15 someone on the housetop must not go down or enter the house to take anything away; 16 someone in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 17 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 18 Pray that it may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, no, and never will be. 20 And if the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he has cut short those days. 21 And if anyone says to you at that time, “Look! Here is the Messiah!” or “Look! There he is!”—do not believe it. 22 False messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But be alert; I have already told you everything.

    The Coming of the Son of Man
    24 ‘But in those days, after that suffering,

    the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light,
    25 and the stars will be falling from heaven,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
    26 Then they will see “the Son of Man coming in clouds” with great power and glory. 27 Then he will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

    The Lesson of the Fig Tree
    28 ‘From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

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  4. I have always wondered why Paul told people that they could get married but that the “time is short” and it was better not to. What else could this have meant other than “the end is near, so don’t worry about getting married but rather watch for the end…”

    “What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:29-31)

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  5. Jesus always spoke the Truth.
    Mark 13 and Matthew 24 explained. Double meaning; 70 AD and until “that day” (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 – “but of that day” – different than the 70 AD events) = end; second coming

    https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/jesus-always-spoke-the-truth/

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