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  1. This needs unpacking. I. E. How is it kufr?

    A first stab at trying to comprehend the issue (via br Daniel Haqiqatjou) is here: https://modwestmuse.wordpress.com/2017/12/24/the-non-affiliated-civic-secular-modern-deen-of-philosophical-liberalism/?preview=true

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    • The question is “what is liberal Islam”?

      I think most people, including Muslims on the far-left, would regard people such as Asra Nomani as traitors to their deen.

      I personally do not know anyone who would publicly want to remove gender separation in ibadah. Even among the most leftist Muslims that I have met (and a masjid is not the best place to scout for these opinions) also complain about secularism among the left.

      I have said to my non-Muslim friends that the litmus test for Muslims to determine whether they are conservative or “liberal” is their attitude towards music and “free mixing”. The conservative ones would quickly declare that most forms of music and free mixing are haram and could give you a ten minute sermon on the evils of it. I don’t think other positions such as one’s attitude towards non-zabihah meat or what constitutes an idol would give much information on whether one is a “liberal”.

      No, I am neither a secularist (I am inherently more anti-clerical) nor do I consider myself a “liberal”. I consider myself to be a philosophical humanist. And I haven’t been a Muslim my entire life, and I could certainly appreciate what can be regarded as the positive aspects of Enlightenment epistemological and moral thought. I have adopted those values and still retain some of them. It influences how I see the entire world and Islam. They are more like lens as opposed to concrete positions that I hold.

      Of course, if one wants to criticize “liberalism”, one should criticize a position that it seeks to advance.


      I liked it, not because I like Daniel Haq, but because it shows his attempt to explain it.

      I tend to see him more as a combination of a Muslim culture warrior and a person who tries to be a Muslim Edmund Burke. I don’t like either.

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    • I don’t know why people are embracing so–dissant “liberalism”. I don’t think it is philosophical in nature. Most liberals would not identify themselves as “arch-empiricists” or “nominalism”. I am a proud nominalist and empiricist. Most people would not have any familiarity with the works of Hume or Mill.


    • some of us here do though..

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  2. *I think you may have shared his lecture once before. Can’t remember from where I watched it originally



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