America is Rome. Europe is Athens. Islam is Jerusalem.

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  1. In other words:

    America is like the Roman Empire in its military and hegemonic dominance of the world.

    Europe is like ancient Athens the centre of cultural and intellectual life.

    Islam is the last of the Abrahamic religions and is thus the heir to Jerusalem.

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    • The Jews have Jerusalem and rightly so. Islam can keep Arabia where it belongs.

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    • Paulus has the right to be a slave for white christian dudes even if they contradict his scriptures.

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    • Better than being a slave to a white Arabian prophet who traded in black slaves and married little girls.

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    • “The Jews have Jerusalem and rightly so. Islam can keep Arabia where it belongs.”

      Which disproves Christianity, per Ezekiel! Thanks Cerbie, you falsified your own religion!

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    • “Better than being a slave to a white Arabian prophet who traded in black slaves and married little girls.”

      Hahaha, only Cerbie, you silly Christian zombie mutt. Muhammad (pbuh) wasn’t white, and slavery was a face of life in ancient times, and your god’s ancestor Isaac married his wife when she was around 10 years old. Your Canaanite god even allowed coercive sex with concubines.

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    • …Muhammad (peace be upon him) was an Arab, so being called “white” would not mean he was literally a white man (like Europeans or Americans). As for the ahadith that Chick referred to prove that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a white man, he is simply misinterpreting the meaning. This tends to happen when Christian apologists blindly parrot each other in repeating nonsensical polemics without bothering to do the research. In the hadith, the phrase translated as “this white man” uses the word “الأبْيَضُ” (“abyad”).[38] According to Lane’s “Arabic-English Lexicon”, “abyad” can mean “white” or “having whiteness”.[39] However, it also states:

      “[a]pplied to a man…it was sometimes used to signify white in complexion…”

      Further, it could also be used to refer to a man as “…pure; free from faults”. But further still, it was used in lexicons and “other post-classical works” as meaning “white; or fair in complexion”.

      So when applied to an Arab man like Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), it was actually signifying his white complexion. This is demonstrated in other ahadith which described him as having a “white complexion”:

      “Abu Juhaifa reported: I saw Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) that he had white complexion and had some white hair, and Hasan b. ‘Ali resembled him.”[40]

      Not only did he have a “white complexion”, but the complexion was also described as “slightly reddish”.[41] He was described as “neither absolutely white nor deep brown”.[42] So, the conclusion is that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not literally a white man, and no serious scholar has ever described him as such. For example, Watt described him simply as having a “fair” complexion.[43]

      As for the claim that he owned black slaves, this was obviously an attempt to characterize him as a racist slave owner like American or European white slave owners. But the reality was that he did not exclusively own black slaves. He also had Arab slaves. Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, but it was not as if only blacks were made into slaves and not Arabs, or vice versa. Moreover, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was clearly against racism, as he made clear in his famous “Farewell Sermon”:

      “[a]ll mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety (taqwa) and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.”[44]

      Furthermore, in another famous hadith, Muhammad (peace be upon him) reprimanded the companion Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him), who was an Arab, for reproaching Bilal (may Allah be pleased with him), who was an Abyssinian and the first muezzin of Islam, by saying “oh son of a black woman” while they were having an argument. In other words, Abu Dharr got angry at Bilal and denigrated his ethnicity in the heat of the moment. When he heard what Abu Dharr had said, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

      “[h]ave you reproached Bilal about his mother? By the one who revealed the Book to Muhammad, none is better than another except by righteous deeds. You have none but an insignificant amount.””[45]

      https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/12/18/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-camels-in-the-tent/

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    • Incidentally, it seems that beloved Biblical figures such as Isaac (peace be upon him) also had wives much younger than themselves. Though there is disagreement, the age of Rebecca at the time of her marriage to the forty-year old Isaac is thought to be between 10 and 14 years, and even as young as three! According to the Jewish Encyclopedia:

      “[t]he Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac. The statement of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (i.) and Gen. R. (lvii. 1) that Abraham was informed of Rebekah’s birth when he ascended Mount Moriah for the ‘Aḳedah, is interpreted by some as meaning that Rebekah was born at that time, and that consequently she was only three years old at the time of her marriage. Other rabbis, however, conclude from calculations that she was fourteen years old, and that therefore she was born eleven years before the ‘Aḳedah, both numbers being found in different manuscripts of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (comp. Tos. to Yeb. 61b). The “Sefer ha-Yashar” (section “Ḥayye Sarah,” p. 38a, Leghorn, 1870) gives Rebekah’s age at her marriage as ten years” (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12610-rebekah).

      https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/12/18/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-camels-in-the-tent/#_edn49

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    • Rabbinical Judaism and Raymond brown? Talk about desperate. Notice you can never actually refer to a biblical text. And there lies the difference. You appeal to “opinions” while I appeal to your own Hadith.

      Hey im glad we agree that your prophet was a white black slave trading man who marries children!

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    • “Rabbinical Judaism and Raymond brown? Talk about desperate. Notice you can never actually refer to a biblical text. And there lies the difference. You appeal to “opinions” while I appeal to your own Hadith.

      Hey im glad we agree that your prophet was a white black slave trading man who marries children!”

      Hahahahaha, yes talk about desperation! No real answer, as usual from our zombie dog Cerbie.

      There was no reason for the rabbis to make up Rebekkah’s age. The fact is that it was very common in antiquity. Get over it already.

      Brown’s scholarly view is the mainstream and majority view among NT scholars. Again, get over it.

      Hey, I’m glad to see you have no real response to any of the issues I humiliated you on!

      While we’re at it, how old were the little girls whom Moses allowed the Israelite soldiers to take for themselves?

      And since you are denying “rabbinical Judaism”, perhaps you can tell us what was Rebekkah’s age when she married Isaac? Hmm, let’s see what Cerbie can conjure up here…

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    • Fail.

      Is it racist for a person to say they hate Islam and want to stop muslim immigration?

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    • So, no answer. Should I assume that you know nothing and are just here to make a fool of yourself? What was Rebekkah’s age when she married Isaac? I will even take a range, if you are not sure.

      It is xenophobic and racist to hate Muslims. Indeed, it is the same if you hate any particular group of people, even brainwashed Christian zombies like yourselves. By the way Cerbie, were your ancestors Aborigines? 😉

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    • Oh and how old were the little girls whom Moses divided up among his soldiers? Don’t keep me waiting Cerbie! I’m still waiting for you to conjure up a 1st century manuscript of your NT!

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    • Ok. So it’s racist to hate Muslims.

      1. Therefore Islam is a race according to you.

      2 muhammad taught that Muslims are the best of people.

      3. Therefore the race of Islam is the best.

      4. But muhammad also taught that one race is not better than another.

      5. Therefore, you’ve just contradicted your prophet by appeal to racism.

      #faizfailsagain

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    • “Ok. So it’s racist to hate Muslims.

      1. Therefore Islam is a race according to you.

      2 muhammad taught that Muslims are the best of people.

      3. Therefore the race of Islam is the best.

      4. But muhammad also taught that one race is not better than another.

      5. Therefore, you’ve just contradicted your prophet by appeal to racism.

      #faizfailsagain”

      LOL, #Cerbiegetsdesperateyetagain and #Cerbiannonsequiturs.

      Muhammad (pbuh) taught that Muslims are the best of people because they enjoin right and forbid wrong. Similarly, he taught that no person is better than another person except by piety. So no, I didn’t contradict my beloved prophet. I just exposed you for the nut that you are! Thanks for making it so easy!

      Now be a dear and answer my question, will you? Were your ancestors Aborigines?

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    • Your beloved prophet? You mean you love a man that raped a 9 year old? You love a man that kept and traded black slaves? You love a man that killed critics? You love a man that robbed innocent traders?

      You need help little sweet cheeks…

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    • “Your beloved prophet? You mean you love a man that raped a 9 year old? You love a man that kept and traded black slaves? You love a man that killed critics? You love a man that robbed innocent traders?

      You need help little sweet cheeks…”

      Still deflecting and not answering my questions? I think you’re the one who needs help, Cerbie. The humiliation just keeps getting worse and worse.

      So, how old were the little girls whom Moses divided up among his soldiers? What was Rebekka’s age? Still waiting. Each time you avoid the questions makes the hole you are in deeper. Come now, dear boy. Be a man and try to answer.

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    • Still waiting for an answer: were your ancestors Aborigines?

      I’ll be hear when you come back and hopefully by then, you will have grown a spine and will answer my question. Don’t run away!

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    • The only deep hole is probably the one old mo dug to hide the 800 Jews he mercilessly murdered. Remember them? Nah, probably not given how much you detest God’s chosen people.

      Look at you trying to defend mo by appeal to others. Sorry sweet cheeks, that’s a deflection. Nor do we emulate any wrong doings Moses or others may have done, despite your attempted beating to “guess” about thing real scripture remains silent on. You, however, seeem to be in love with a murderous child rapist. Remember, he was “sinless” in your eyes. Killing those people? No problem in your eyes. Raping kids? No worries! Trading slaves? Hey, no big deal. It’s just my beloved prophet!

      Let’s see you marry of your six year old daughter to Williams when you have one….oh wait, he like boys. My bad.

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    • Hahahaha, back so soon? You enjoy being humiliated, don’t you? You must be a masochist!

      Silly boy, where does your Bible say that what Moses did was wrong? Your Canaanite god never rebuked him, so who are you to say he was wrong? Poor cerbie, trying so hard to deny the evil of your Bible by appealing to secular ideals.

      Still waiting for Rebekkah’s age, you twit. Be a man and answer.

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    • Hey Cerbie, your Canaanite god upheld Moses’ ruling and commanded that every soldier receive his share of the “spoils”:

      “The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. 27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals.”

      “The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.”

      There is not one peep of condemnation from your god for dividing up the little girls. In fact, your god commanded it. So, now that we have exposed your lies, answer the question. How old were these little girls? There is no need to “guess”. The information is there. Historical precedent is there. You have all the help you need to answer the question. And while you are at it, tell me how old Rebekkah was. There’s a good boy…

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    • Back to defending mo by appeal you God. And here you were trying to be a Unitarian. News flash, Mo ain’t God, so why do you defend his actions by appealing to what God commands? That’s shirk. You commit it often and Allah will punish you severely for it. Where did Allah command mo to murder the Jews. Where did Allah command mo to rob thecaravans? Where did Allah command mo to rape a child? You can’t defend a man by appeal to god. Islam won’t allow that. But we all know most Muslims worship muhammad anyway. You’re a case in point.

      As I said, guessing games don’t prove much. How old was Aisha when mo raped her? 9. It’s in your sources. Stop trying to defend such sinful horrible actions by appealing to guesses. You tell me how old these girls were. From the scriptures. Not rabbinic guesses millenium later. Sola scriptura little muhammadan. Do try to keep up. Stay outta the mud.

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    • Lol, so then Moses was not wrong for dividing little girl among his soldiers? You said Moses was wrong. Now, it.looks like you’re walking back on that. Make up your mind, silly!

      Like I said, the rabbis had no reason to make up the age. It was a common practice. I said you can give me a range. You’re deathly afraid of answering because you know you will be exposed. But I’m not letting you off the hook, sweetie. Answer the question. How old were the girls that your god divided up?

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    • And yes, it’s right there in the text, “32,000 women”. Read that again. WOMEN. That Hebrew word is used for women, not little girls. You have no shame in your lies.

      Not 6 year old girls playing with their dolls.

      And your comparing innocent civilians to the midianities in num31. You’ve been humiliated

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    • Hahaha, oh will you stop with the lies you demonic dog? They were virgins you idiot. The women who had slept with a man were killed. The boys were killed. Who was left? Come on, you know the answer. Be a man and answer.

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    • You’ve been humiliated. Get over it. They were women. It’s precisely what the text you cited says. They weren’t 6 year old girls like muhammad preferred.

      Moses? Reread what I said

      “Nor do we emulate any wrong doings Moses or others may have done”.

      I stand by that. You didn’t qualify your point until later when you brought up Gods commands. So your problem isn’t with the patriarchs, it’s with God. You’ve compared his retribution to Muhammad’s lust for a 9 year old. I’m still waiting, where did God command him to rape a 9 year old? See the difference? Your prophet acted on his own lists and your only defence is to commit shirk. Allah will punish you severely.

      You’ve been defeated. Shamed. Humiliated. Your prophet’s been humiliated. And your ashamed.

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    • Or afraid of anything. They were women because that is what the text says. You wanna talk about range? In other words, you want to guess. Go for it. But I’m not a muhammadan to play guessing games. I’ll stick with sola scriptura- they were women.

      You must be really embarrassed when your “trap” only humiliated your deen and prophet

      Bwahahahaha

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    • Paulus,
      I’m glad that you’ve admitted that you are just a slave and shoe used by the white evangelicals. I’m really Sorry for you. Ask Allah عزوجل the guidance.

      “And [mention] when they will argue within the Fire, and the weak will say to those who had been arrogant, “Indeed, we were [only] your followers, so will you relieve us of a share of the Fire?
      Those who had been arrogant will say, “Indeed, all [of us] are in it. Indeed, Allah has judged between the servants.”
      And those in the Fire will say to the keepers of Hell, “Supplicate your Lord to lighten for us a day from the punishment.”
      They will say, “Did there not come to you your messengers with clear proofs?” They will say, “Yes.” They will reply, “Then supplicate [yourselves], but the supplication of the disbelievers is not except in error.”
      QT

      “And [yet], among the people are those who take other than Allah as equals [to Him]. They love them as they [should] love Allah . But those who believe are stronger in love for Allah . And if only they who have wronged would consider [that] when they see the punishment, [they will be certain] that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is severe in punishment.
      [And they should consider that] when those who have been followed disassociate themselves from those who followed [them], and they [all] see the punishment, and cut off from them are the ties [of relationship],
      Those who followed will say, “If only we had another turn [at worldly life] so we could disassociate ourselves from them as they have disassociated themselves from us.” Thus will Allah show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they are never to emerge from the Fire.” QT

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    • “You’ve been humiliated. Get over it. They were women. It’s precisely what the text you cited says. They weren’t 6 year old girls like muhammad preferred.

      Moses? Reread what I said

      “Nor do we emulate any wrong doings Moses or others may have done”.

      I stand by that. You didn’t qualify your point until later when you brought up Gods commands. So your problem isn’t with the patriarchs, it’s with God. You’ve compared his retribution to Muhammad’s lust for a 9 year old. I’m still waiting, where did God command him to rape a 9 year old? See the difference? Your prophet acted on his own lists and your only defence is to commit shirk. Allah will punish you severely.

      You’ve been defeated. Shamed. Humiliated. Your prophet’s been humiliated. And your ashamed.”

      Hahahaha, poor Cerbie, trying so hard to avoid the embarrassment of his Bible.

      Read it again moron:

      “And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

      The Hebrew uses the word hat-tap, which means children. See here:

      http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/2945.htm

      The irony is that you excuse all the horrible things in your Bible by appealing to God. But all sorts of atrocities have been justified throughout history by appealing to God. You just proved how depraved you are.

      Face it, Cerbie. Your Canaanite god was a vengeful, bloodthirsty tyrant who allowed little girls to be taken as slaves by the men who brutally killed their families. Your crocodile tears about what Muhammad (pbuh) allegedly did only expose your depravity and hypocrisy? Raped a 9 year old? When did that happen?

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    • “Or afraid of anything. They were women because that is what the text says. You wanna talk about range? In other words, you want to guess. Go for it. But I’m not a muhammadan to play guessing games. I’ll stick with sola scriptura- they were women.

      You must be really embarrassed when your “trap” only humiliated your deen and prophet

      Bwahahahaha”

      Hahahahaha, still avoiding the question? What are you afraid of, really?

      They weren’t women, stupid. Read the original text. They were children. They were taken as slaves. That’s the kind of depravity your god allowed.

      I know why you’re afraid to answer the question. You know where it will lead. So I ask again: how old were they. Give me the possible ages. Let’s see how honest you are. Come now, Cerbie. Grow a spine.

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    • It gets worse for Cerbie. Here is what one Christian commentary says on the matter:

      “But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
      Verse 18. – Keep alive for yourselves, i.e., for domestic slaves in the first instance. Subsequently no doubt many of them became inferior wives of their masters, or were married to their sons. Infants were probably put to death with their mothers.” (http://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/numbers/31.htm)

      It says “women children”. In other words, they were not adult women, but young virgin girls. Everyone else was killed, but only the virgin girls were spared.

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  2. This reminds me one of the interpretation for Daniel 7 (the 4 beasts) by a muslim. I don’t adopt it, but it’s very interesting!

    We know that christians try to avoid the historical fact about Islam which has been fulfilled according to Daniel 2. Christians try to avoid that by mingling and mixing Daniel 2 with Daniel 7.
    However, we know that Daniel 7 was more than clear that these beasts will come out from ( the Great Sea). Therefore, it’s impossible and nonsense to interpret these beasts as Babylon or Persia.

    The interpretation of Daniel 7, if it’s authentic account transmitted from the prophet Daniel, seems to refer to the far future. In other words, it refers to our time. The muslim guy interprets these 4 beasts as the colonial empires that have invaded the saints’ lands ( the Islamic lands). These beasts are as the following:

    1) The Lion= The British empire.
    2) The bear = Russia
    3) The leopard with four heads = the 4 Catholic invaders which are : France, Spain, Portugal,and Italy.
    4) The terrifying and frightening fourth beast with Iron teeth = U.S.A.

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